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[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

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Gonna go new school with this iso to make it look prettier, links will back up everything I'm saying instead of quoting it here. Will also let me stream of consciousness this thing instead of give one rambling analysis of a bunch of posts.

 

Just realized how much I've already quoted and still have a lot more, so gonna break this up into little spoilered chunks so it's not too unwieldy:

 

Spoiler 1: Mostly early stuff, opportunistic push on Thane, some weird tone posts here and there, and beginning of his Dice interaction

 

 

 

So I mentioned a while back how opportunistic I found Verb's early push on Thane, and yeah I still think that was scummy. I also thought Verb's early mini-iso of Tommy WAS awkward for him, as Tommy said himself. That early in the game, why quote every single one of his posts like that? Why not just say "most of his posts are fluff and not game related, how are you townreading him off of that?" Quoting every one made it seem like Verbal was trying to look busy early on imo.

 

Kinda a small point, but there could be some Freudian slippage in this early post by Verb where he's talking about being scum with Leelou- "Without her, I have no problems and often don't get identified until it's too late". As I mentioned, small point, but still.

 

Don't like this nudge from Verbal onto Hallia here, don't see town!Verb doing this kind of thing very often. He doesn't usually nudge other people's points and questions, he does his own scumhunting. I also don't like the way Verbal starts going after Tommy in posts like this. He's trying to maintain a serious scumread, but is acting way too jovial with it, makes it look forced. Also kinda jives with the way Verb both fos's and buddies Tommy later on ITT.

 

I really don't like this post from Verb. Looks way too self-conscious, and is also trying to deflect off attention by saying he's trying to act scummy to avoid a NK. Don't feel town!Verb makes this post. Also tone fail in "I would think my poking of Thane to begin the game was pretty townie. As a townie I'm not afraid to be labeled "scummy" ".

 

Again, moar of that forced jovial tone while soft pushing Tommy that reeks of scum to me. Pops up again in post #963 (this is also the first time I see him bluereading AJ hardcore, nothing that fishy here but later the way Verb acts all astounded-yet-pleased-with-himself after AJ's survivor claim looked forced as hell to me)

 

Over-wordy explanation of a tinfoil on Hallia

 

Just wanna note the defense of Berf in this post for later, could end up being an interesting post. He defends Berf from Alanna by saying since Berf is old school that might explain why his reads are bad. Berf actually uses this later if I'm not mistaken. Could be scum!Verb defending a teammate, could be him WKing lynchbait.

 

First mention of Dice's aggressiveness. Note: he says Dice is being more aggressive than he is used to seeing, even tho later on Verb says he is used to being able to sheep Dice's reads... those two thoughts don't seem to congregate very easily together. He follows up on that here, and again the tone and wording lead me to believe this could be some wolf/wolf distancing going on possibly. Here's some moar stuff on Dice from later on.

 

I thought the little focus on timezones from Verbal was pretty meh, and in fact Verbal spends plenty of time this game kind of having small little discussions about stuff that has no chance of helping town win, but I also found the defensive response to Tommy's post to also be kinda eye-catching.

 

This post looks awkward

 

 

Spoiler 2: Some more bad tone, some scummy soft pushes @ some peeps, more of Verbal buddying Tommy, and the crazy awkward series of posts where Verbal self-flagellates himself for being so "wrong" on AJ:

 

 

 

Bad tone in this response to AJ, Verbal's #1 townread at this spot. "Were you expecting rock solid scum reads on D1?" Also don't like the followup in that discussion, where Verbal starts buddying AJ a little more ("I don't necessarily feel that 'over the top' should equate to 'scummy', but I'm fine with your assessment")

 

Def don't like the nudge @ Sili [/url=http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91500-advanced-revenge-of-the-marlfox/page-100#entry3368076]in this post from Verb[/url] either. Verbal was asking Tommy why his vote kept shifting back and forth to Verbal (which is weird to begin with, since Verbal was already soft-pushing at Tommy as scum before this for a while before he dropped it, so the question looks forced), and then says "Is it as simple as to see who keeps following you? If so, then the answer is Sili". Like, that looks REALLY bad for Verbal in retrospect.. Also, Tommy already noted the strangeness in this post from Verb where he touts Pray so highly (and strangely). Don't really think it's wolf/wolf (irt Verb and Pray I mean) since it looks more like buddying, but eh I could be wrong.

 

Here's the beginning of Verbal's awkward series of posts where he responds to AJ's third party claim, semi congratulating himself for bluereading him since AJ isn't scum apparently but acting all "durnit Verb!" about bluereading him even tho he's TP. Here's more of that awkwardness, and then egads even worse awkwardness in this one. Wow, I'm going to have to quote some choice excerpts from that post, that one is just absurdly scummy:

 

 

I feel that my one blue was messed up, even if I do use the excuse of "oh hey I knew he wasn't scum!" ......still makes me pretty wrong on that. I don't like being that wrong so early on - sets a bad tone for me.

I normally aim for that line between 'too scummy to NK' and 'too townish to lynch'. I say aim, but that's not accurate- it just happens that way naturally. I should probably tweak that based on who I'm playing with, but I haven't yet.

You say you flip flop on me a lot - lemme tell ya, I'm doing the same with you

 

 

The amount he chastises himself for being "wrong" on the AJ blueread just looks forced as all get out. He also continues buddying Tommy here and here. Also here.

 

Some bad juggling of reads after that- in this one he responds that he has Sili as null even after sot-pushing at him a little earlier, and in this one he says he's STARTING to see Cory as scum, even tho again he was soft pushing him as scum for a while earlier in the thread.

 

 

Spoiler 3: Reaction to Thane's flip, more buddying of Tommy, intredasting defense of Alanna, and soft pushing of Cory and more distancing type posts @ Dice:

 

 

 

So here's Verb's response to the Thane townflip. Note that he doesn't respond much to the flip itself, but is more immediately defensive to people calling him out for his role in lynching Thane. Def some scummy defensiveness here. 

 

 

Its true that I was on board for a Thane lynch.  I don't think being up front in that regard and especially being the one who prodded him first (first few pages of the game) would be a good spot for scum to be in.  If he was lynchbait, then I look especially bad for it.  Doesn't sound like a smart spot to put yourself in if you knew his alignment (if I was scum), right?

 

The ones that look super bad after lynchbait town flips are probably town.  The ones that nudged or controlled the flow towards that lynchbait.....those are the ones that require more scrutiny.  I really want Tom's slot resolved - I can't make up my mind on him.

 

 

This part here looks especially bad^^^. The way he tries deflecting and ditching responsibility here is gross, as is his wifomy insistence that scum wouldn't have initially pushed a lynch like that like he did. Bleurgh. Also yay! More awkward handling of his earlier "mistake" in bluereading AJ! :rolleyes:

 

Verbal tries to link himself to me in this post, and also has an uber-defensive reaction to Rags' fos. He follows up on that defensiveness with some self-conscious looking stuff there, saying he didn't want to scum read Rags for fear of being called out on OMGUS. Yeah, cause town!Verb cares so much about being called out for OMGUS :rolleyes:

 

Buddies Tommy again by saying he agrees with a lot of his reads here, then nudges @ Pray and Dice here. Again, Verb mentions Dice a whole bunch, but never seems that interested in voting him or hardpushing him this game.

 

This post also looks very significant - for the way he defends Alanna here. First of all, he says he's "joining the #alannawhiteknightclub", making it look like he's joining the crowd and not standing out with his defense, and as Tommy pointed out before, Verb says Alanna as scum "plays it very cautiously and will become very obvious that she's not taking sides on anything", even tho that's pretty much exactly what Alanna has been doing this game. Could def see Verb and Alanna as scumbros. Verb deflects from that point from Tommy immediately and tries saying "Alanna wouldn't slip like that as scum" and tries redirecting focus back to Cory.

 

He continues soft pushing @ Cory a bit (even tho Hallia had already mentioned Cory couldn't play anymore before this), mentions Dice some more but distances from the read at the same time, then this little doozie came out which looked off- Verb says the tinfoil is going to come out soon irt Leelou, and the reasoning looks pretty shoddy. Looks like he is just deciding it's easier to flip flop on Leelou since she's hydra with Yates. Also mock boldness in that post irt Tommy saying he's going to lynch Verb tomorrow.

 

 

Spoiler 4: This one's a doozy. Verb starts going off the deep end here and starts pushing that town should lynch Tommy even if Tommy is telling the truth about being a BP to "keep scum from doing so later". Even tho he's doing this, he keeps alternating and switching to buddying Tom and asking Tom to push Cory. ALSO- Verbal has a mega weird post where he flip flops his reasoning on suspecting Dice- saying that Dice is orange for him because he's not aggressive enough. Enjoy

 

 

 

So here's where Verb starts suggesting to lynch Tommy because his role would be a liability come endgame. As in- let's lynch the town BP, so that scum can't kill him later on and get two NK's in a row, even tho lynching him does the exact same thing BUT you also lose another possible scum lynch. I mean, that's basically a scumclaim there folks. A few others also seem to support this idea, will pull those quotes later but from memory Dice advocated it I believe, as did Berf.., and Lates was kinda softly agreeing with it (she thought he should die but not be lynched). Verb follows that post up with a snarky toned post @ Tommy because Tommy has led discussion all game.

 

Verb continues pushing the concept, saying that it's better to lose townies with negative utility "on town's terms" (whatever the hell that means) since it will hurt more later on, but first of all that's a strawman. Verb wasn't just arguing whether losing a negative utility role early on or late would be better, he was actually advocating LYNCHING said townie negative utility role. So he was trying to turn the argument into being about something entirely different. Second, no, the situation would be about the same either way, besides the fact that lynching said role would be worse since you'd ALSO be losing a lynch opportunity in addition to the loss of next day phase. Either way, scum need x amount of mislynches. The BP neg utility might change that math a little, but whether you get mislynches early on, or late, it doesn't really matter. So even Verb's strawman argument is dumb.

 

Also keep in mind- this whole discussion is after Sili's death (I couldn't find the specific reaction to that lynch tbh- I remember Verb was very inactive the whole day phase tho, and was suddenly much more active during the night phase) so this is already after TWO town mislynches, soooooo advocating ANOTHER mislynch - because it would "be on town's terms" is actually kind of batshit insanse honestly.

 

Verb gets snarky with Tommy again, and says the reason he hasn't done anything this game is because he needs flips, and not just lynches either. The town!Verb I know doesn't cop out like this and express a need for flips to be useful, he used to ramp up in activity more but it wasn't flips per se, it was just getting a feel for the players and game. Since the game has been so active, and Verb has been participating throughout, I would NOT expect him to "need more flips" at this point.

 

More of Verb pushing the argument that killing Tommy sooner rather than later is good for town. Incidentally, I wonder if Verb was trying to distance from his team's NK with this whole deal? After all, if BFKey is telling the truth and tried JKing him but was blocked, then scum obviously went to kill Tommy cause they thought he was BP.

 

Lulz- Verb ends up buddying up to Tommy AGAIN, telling him to quit flip flopping on him, even tho he was recently arguing to lynch Tommy even if he believed the claim. LULZ!!!! Also he says he'll fight tooth and nail to protect Lates... after recently saying he might tinfoil on them and even questioning Leelou a bit. LULZZZZZZ. After this he gives some reads to Leelou, what's really noteworthy here is that he starts switching his stance on Dice. Observe:
 

 

Dice: still orange for me. I've seen him figure out who he thinks scum are, and then hound them like crazy and keep at them. Here, I'm seeing him be aggressive and then quiet down........ aggressive and then quiet again. Just seems weird

 

 

:huh:

 

So wait a second Verb - "hound them like crazy and keep at them" sounds pretty aggressive. Yet all game you were remarking on Dice's aggressiveness and how unusual you found that for him... all of a sudden tho it flips to him not being aggressive enough???

 

:wacko:

 

Other weird thing is Verb just said he'd fight tooth and nail for Lates, yet like a post later he's hedging a bit and can't quite move them to blue. Yeahhhhhhh..........

 

Moar soft defense of Alanna here. Moar pushing of the "need to kill Tommy now before he's more of a liability" thing. Moar mock outrage and defensiveness to an fos.

 

Even more talk about killing Tommy sooner rather than later. No really, each one of those links is a separate post (he also starts directing any potential Vig out there to shoot Tommy last night A TON). He really focuses on this a lot, and it is just incredibly wolfy. Manbat starts pointing out the absurdity of the idea, and Verb immediately back down.

 

Soft defense of Berf here. This one's good - Verb says he never lists suspects in red unless there is something to mechanically mark them red, false. He responds kinda snarkily to Leelou pointing out that Verb hedging on her at this point aint good, intredasting, and he also has a very wolfy response to Arsis' post on him, basically tries saying "the stuff you're saying about me applies more to Tommy!" which is a weak as hell scum argument.

 

This post is just gross. Verb asks Tommy if he'll push @ Cory the next day, Tommy points out how he keeps asking Tommy to do this all game and VERB should push the lynch if he feels so strongly about it. Verb in reply asks Tommy if he'll team up with him, or if Tommy will "drop the ball again and go for me". Holy schneikes is that post scummy.

 

 

Spoiler 5: This last section is prob the weakest of the sections, but still some juicy tidbits here. Has some laughable scummy progression on some reads, and also the cherry on top of my Verb/Dice connection. Pretty much zero reaction to Tommy flipping town but not BP OR AJ flipping malicious third party, which is hilarious considering his hilarious overreaction to both topics earlier in the game

 

 

 

Verb has an incredibly schticky thing where he answers yes to Leelou asking if he is town in golden font, acts all coy about it, and then says since gold was the color of "truth" in his Xmen game, OBVIOUSLY that means he isn't lying when he uses it now. Excuse me while I go barf while rolling my eyes while also completely seeing through this little ploy.

 

Says he will possibly go for a Pray lynch, even tho he's been soft defending Pray all game. Verb quotes Dice advocating the "kill Tommy sooner rather than later" plan, and Verb congratulates him on it even while pretending to be following Manbat's advice about lynching scum instead first. Blech.

 

Some of this other stuff is a bit more meh. Get defensive with Tommy some more, nudges that Corlia tried killing Manbat since they have more experience with him, this one's kinda funny - he says we should just JK Tommy unless we get closer to endgame and only blue reads are left, in which case we lynch him... EVEN THO THAT COMPLETELY GOES AGAINST EVERY FIBER OF HIS ARGUMENT FROM BEFORE (that killing Tommy before it gets closer to endgame makes much more sense).

 

Possible lolcatting/swinging smelly scum private parts in town's face moment between Dice and Verbal ITT. "I think Arsis is being miscleared. Even after Tommy admitted I'm town, he still tried to push Hallia, myself, and Leelou. There would be one teammate there (IMO), and two townies. I'm already suspicious of Hallia, so that leaves me with~~ Arsis/Hallia/Dice/??? LAWLZ. Cause, logic, right? :laugh:

 

Srs do, that is just a laughibly scummy post there by Verb. The progression there is just.... holy crap is that bad. The way he tries to link from one to the other is just mind boggling. And notice how he's ALWAYS listing Dice as a scumread, but it's never his TOP scumread? HRMMMMMMMMM

 

Bleurgh @ this explanation of his read on Dice in response to Dice. Just bleurgh. Verb thinks cause he says it's an awful explanation in the same post he excuses himself from it's awkwardness. It doesn't. Convenient tho how Verb CONSTANTLY has Dice as a scum read all game, yet is CONSTANTLY hedging on it and acting uncomfortable with it, and CONSTANTLY has someone else he can argue voting for above Dice.

 

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Anyone who reads all of that.... you have my utmost respect and admiration. :wub:

 

Anyways guess I'll be merciful and give a TLDR, especially since DL is about a day away.

 

Verb has displayed a good many classic scumtells throughout- bad tone (which is easy for me to say, but click on the examples I give to see for yourself), improper reaction to major events (always seems to want to wait and follow the crowd or else not even react at all), and lurking during the day but getting active at night again (which is especially true in games with early mislynches, wolves start salivating after each mislynch as they think their victory is getting closer).

 

He's also WAY off his town meta, both old and new. He'd have accomplished a LOT more this game than he has, but all he's done this game is make excuses for why he hasn't done enough. He snipes and nudges a WHOLE lot more than he would do as town, as town he is much more direct and doesn't try getting others to do his scumhunting for him (like how he tried getting Tommy to push @ Cory all game)

 

As far as specific game stuff he's done that was scummy: His early push on Thane was scummy and opportunistic. He soft pushed Thane for a while but kept from hard pushing it, and later defended his part in it by saying "scum wouldn't be in front on a lynch like that". Bleurgh is that scummy. His overreaction to being "wrong" on AJ as a blueread was entirely fake and forced. His handling and interaction with Tommy has been scummy all game. Forced jovial tone at times, blatant buddying in others, pushing that town should lynch or Vig Tommy even if he is telling the truth because... reasons (really shitty ones I'd say), and then attempts to link himself to Tommy after Tommy's death ("Even Tommy admitted I'm town" lol).

 

Then we get interactions with potential teammates- the one who stuck out the most to me was obviously Dice. Verb has soft pushed Dice in strange ways and with such hedging and vague wording throughout the game, but distances from the read as well and ALWAYS has a "higher" scum "read". Additionally Verb soft defended Alanna, Serf (altho he flip flopped a bit more there), and Pray (and also had some strange wording posts irt Pray as well). It's POSSIBLE Verb could be scum with Lates here still, but eh honestly I'm thinking the way he handles his read on that slot reads more as awkward wolf handling of a townie than awkward wolf handling of a teammate.

 

So yeah. Verbal is scum. I've finally hit my final form I think, and right about now Verb is kicking himself for not lynching me sooner :baalzamon:

 

Lynch Verb, then Dice imo, then Alanna I'd say, and then figure out which one is scummier between Pray and Serf (prob Serf imo). And town wins the game.

 

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and i mean besides not being true scum tells for me, they were nowhere near as numerous as desp or pral presented them as.

Is this your way of saying their misrepresentations lead directly to your mislynch?

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I'm kind of leaning in this direction:

If we lynch Cory and he flips scum I think we can back calculate from all the people who cleared his slot on D1.

I was thinking that her Cop counter claim was probably villagery - especially since she didn't back down. But then again, as scum she would know if Pral is Town or not. So when I faked my cop view on Pral Town? That would be the easiest mislynch in the world to push and get away with next day. The fact she hasn't unvoted our slot at this point looks like she's trying to keep pushing that angle. That also feels pretty disingenuous given her reaction to Des's gambit earlier in the game. What makes it feel worse is we have proof of at least our role [if you want to keep pushing the Scum Tracker nonsense] and that we are vettable - but she's still on us while she let Des slide with nothing alignment convincing.

 

@Hally - how can you prove you are a Town JOAT?

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Also, this makes me not want to lynch Verb, if nothing else:

 

Verbal seems like a villager to me

 

#hottakes

He kinda does.

 

I think Verb would keep Tommy and Manbat around for as long as he could then take advantage of Tommy's Princess role late in the game. I think Leelou is calling him Town based on tone. I'm starting to lean Town based on meta and strategy.
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Yeah. I'm doing some grave digging. So what...

 

I think the idea is to keep it simple like this:

 

Lets think logically for a few minutes. Do we think scum withheld their NK -OR- that they took the bait of Des going to shoot Tommy so why waste their kill and go hunting elsewhere and get blocked?

 

Gone goldfishin

This too. Think it makes the most sense that scum shot Monstr until we learn there's another protective role.

 

I'm just wondering WHO would shoot him N1.

 

Don't feel like pulling up my quote but I actually asked this first. I think the KISS model suggests Monster was the N1 target and BFKey saved him with a JK. So let's go back to who would target Monstr.

 

I think Hallia would.

I agree. So would Cory. So that slot is solidly in the "would shoot Monster" pool. I would have had Tommy and AJ in that pool as well.

 

Again, this isn't anything obvious but it's feeding into my suspicion on the Hally slot.

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Oh. And I can answer this question now:

 

I'm not mad that Sili got lynched or that my partner moved our vote. He was just way too confusing to read and I certainly questioned his alignment. But yeah. We need scum lynches. And scum is in one of our claimed PR's.

Seems like a definitive and somewhat doom and gloom statement. Why do you say so?

 

Now you know why. LOL.
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Sewed Yates you're scum after all. And right after I started to consider that you might be town here too.

 

Poppy defense of Verb. You ignored all of the trillion things I brought up against him and put up some wifomy Crap about Tommy semitownreading him in a SINGLE post and saying Verb would have kep him alive longer. That's mega gross.

 

So Verb/Dice/Lates/Alanna

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@Yates: yes, I think she does.

Alright. But can we agree Pral is Blue if Hally flips scum?

 

Yes

 

Cool. With that out of the way...

 

What do you make of the fact Pral just claimed an X-shot ability? Ours is every day. Presumably Arsis, Monstr, and Key are every day. How does that add up? And what about his decision not to RB Des?

 

 

I'm ok with his claim, for the simple reason that it doesn't really match.  Scum is more likely to blend in.

 

 

 

 

Now, all that being said, I'm actually going to ##vote Verbal.

 

I think a lot of the PR claims still make it a somewhat murky situation that will clear up a lot more in the next day or so, so instead I'd like to go with who is now my top scum read.

 

Verb started scumtelling BIG time by ramping up activity so much right after another mislynch. Furthermore, he prob has the most scummy posts after Sili 1.0 in the game, and some of the worst tone as well. I think he doesn't have anything mechanical against him but that's the thing- all the mechanical stuff is kind of inconclusive as it is. Verb is entirely in his scum range tho. A lot of stuff others have pointed out- bad tone, trying to link himself to dead townies, emotional manipulation, flip flopping between soft pushing people and buddying them and hard pushing them as it sees fit, and his #solve looks really bad, like extremely underwhelming and poorly justified.

 

He thinks Arsis is scum and Arsis listed Hallia and two others but prob listed one scummate so Verb thinks it's Hallia so votes her anyways, even tho the PR claim situation is still muddled?

 

:wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

Verb as scum also has a knack for being mentioned as a scum candidate for a while but keeping from being actively pushed as a lynch candidate. I think that ends today. He's been on the fringe of scum candidates and solves for people for too long.

 

How have you not bothered to look into Hallia yet?  More than just me has been poking at the potential for a Corlia lynch.  And with Hallia's excited post about night actions and then her reveal of it only being a town Cop view of her JOAT, it does not jive AT ALL with the way she introduced it.

 

Almost like...............she changed her mind and switched what she was going to say?  Think on that.

 

 

 

 

Hey guys, we could always just lynch a scum in Verb. 

 

Or sit here and argue until Verb slips through yet again.

 

I'm part of the POE, I get it.  This game has been too active for me to (1) keep up in post count and be real-time, and (2) analyze like I normally would to try solving better.  I couldn't do both, so I elected to be available to post in real-time and probably joked around more than I should have.  If I need to die in order to help town solve, fine.  But I don't see how Corlia is sneaking this far into the game with the posts Cory had before leaving, and Hallia since - especially what I mentioned above.

 

 

 

 

Anyone who reads all of that.... you have my utmost respect and admiration. :wub:

 

 

I read every word, and clicked on every link.  I hope this isn't your final form - you are very wrong.  You think I'm going to "fail tone" and have "forced posts" like this as scum?  I'm switching things around in my head, and trying to figure out if I'm really wrong on all reads, or just a few (misclears).

 

Right now I would not lynch Monstr or Lates.  No way.  I'm also pretty strongly town on Sili, BFKey, and (sadly) you.

 

I think the solve happens with lynching from the rest.  I do admit that I may need to be a part of that "rest".  I'm ok with that, but I'd rather have at least 1 scum go down before me.

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Sewed Yates you're scum after all. And right after I started to consider that you might be town here too.

 

Poppy defense of Verb. You ignored all of the trillion things I brought up against him and put up some wifomy Crap about Tommy semitownreading him in a SINGLE post and saying Verb would have kep him alive longer. That's mega gross.

 

So Verb/Dice/Lates/Alanna

 

Oh jeez......

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Yes Verbal, I've looked into Corlia. They are extremely likely to be town here.

 

Corys posts before he dropped out really weren't that bad, dunno what you're pushing there... And the "Hallia's reveal is not that interesting" is an incredibly weak thing that you keep Stretch Armstronging to try and make. Stop trying to make fetch happen!

 

Plus, her claim and the way she did it makes total sense as town for her. Furthermore the way you kept trying to get Tommy to push Cory all game reeks.

 

Lastly your defense is more than disheartening. Wifom "you think I would do this as scum?" (Btw my answer to that is YES- you've been caught fairly easily before as scum, and often as scum you get caught for the same type of stuff- bad tone and making excuses) and AtE "let me just get one scum out before I die, then I'm cool with it" and boiling down my entire case on you in a couple of tidbits that ignore the encyclopedia of scumminess you have published in the thread "I get it, I'm in the POE, whatevs"

 

You sir, are scum.

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Nope.

 

I was pushing Tommy because I wanted him to be town, and I saw we agreed on suspicion of that slot.  So I kept reminding him of that.

 

I don't know why you're ignoring Cory's early game.  Go look.  Where were the town core formation posts?  He basically just sniped from the sidelines and only answered when spoken to/of.  And you're nuts if you think there is nothing to Hallia saying some veerrrrrry interesting stuff was learned, and then follow that up with the "oh I copped him town", which really had not much of an effect on anything.

 

So yeah, you're ignoring that because you have blinders on right now.  Take them off.  I'm not AtEing with admitting I'm part of the POE.  That is already obvious if you're reading the thread, which I am.  At this point, it may be too late for me to remove myself from that lynch list.  I simply don't want to be gone before scum.

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Poppy defense of Verb. You ignored all of the trillion things I brought up against him and put up some wifomy Crap about Tommy semitownreading him in a SINGLE post and saying Verb would have kep him alive longer. That's mega gross.

Des. I'm not even going to argue with you because I think you are probably Town. I appreciate that you put a ton of effort into that post and all but it is DRIPPING with confirmation bias. So I stopped reading. I've been on the receiving end of these types of posts from you before as Town so I know how wrong you often are despite all the work expressly because you often build cases to fit a narrative rather than playing what's in front of you.

 

I don't know. Verb may be scum. I just don't think he plays his hand the way he has as scum.

 

Also, wake up for a minute. You know scum Yates isn't going to slank off with a throw away statement based on a single post of a dead Townie. I'm just using that as a simple example of something I was thinking of that supports why I think Verb is less likely to be scum. Plus. I bus as scum.   :wink:

 

Anyway, there's more than one scum out there.  Let's pretend Verb is a mod confirmed tree stump for a minute.  Who is your strongest scum read in that scenario?

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...And with Hallia's excited post about night actions and then her reveal of it only being a town Cop view of her JOAT, it does not jive AT ALL with the way she introduced it.

 

Almost like...............she changed her mind and switched what she was going to say?  Think on that.

Yup. That still isn't sitting right with me. But out of fear of you potentially buddying my slot, I'd like to hear what others think of this.

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Des, you too easily go off the rails when you think you have somebody.  Then when you're wrong, it is too late for you to salvage your game.  Stop trying to backfill your case based on wanting to catch me.

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Vote Count

 

Alanna (1): Dice

Verbal (2): Arsis, Des

Lates (2): Hallia, Pral

Hallia (1): Verbal

Dice (1): Monstr

Arsis (2): Alanna, Sili

 

 

Not Voting (3): The rest of you lot

 

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141107T12&p0=2133&csz=1

 

 

 

The people I'm suspicious of are all voting people I think are town, and the people I think are town are all voting people I'm suspicious of.

Arsis Rising Star

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Vote Count

 

 

Alanna (1): Dice

Verbal (2): Arsis, Des

Lates (2): Hallia, Pral

Hallia (1): Verbal

Dice (1): Monstr

Arsis (2): Alanna, Sili

 

 

Not Voting (3): The rest of you lot

 

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141107T12&p0=2133&csz=1

 

The people I'm suspicious of are all voting people I think are town, and the people I think are town are all voting people I'm suspicious of.

Remind me again who they are?

Hallia Spam Master

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Still at work. ><. Bowling on Wed so I followed along but have trouble continuously commenting.

 

Des - that casing is impressive!

 

##vote: Verb

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