[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Sili Quirrels]

Hey guys, we could always just lynch a scum in Verb. 

 

Or sit here and argue until Verb slips through yet again.

Meh.

 

leelou, did i ever ask you why you thought verbal was town?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Even if the actions were confirmed your role isn't. Could be a scum JOAT that tracked Pray and either scum with BFKey or buddying them by corroborating their story.

But would a scum JOAT really breadcrumb a tracker role?  I dunno about that.

 

 

Not sure if Des is being stubborn or scum here. 

 

Probably stubborn. He's been like this all game. You just haven't noticed because it was me he was tearing apart.

 

Well...you didn't make it very difficult.

 

you can iso someone, look for the bad spots, and bring them up continuously until people start believing you, no matter how villagery the iso is overall.

[Arsis]

Nothing about you was villagery the first time. Stop the nonsense.

[Yates]

Alright. Early meeting tomorrow. Wont be on until around lunch time. I think I've made our role and alignment about as clear as possible. Can't wait to see what I come back to!

[Sili Quirrels]

anyway, it doesn't matter. we'll talk about it after the game or in the dead thread and we can bash heads there.

[Sili Quirrels]

Alright. Early meeting tomorrow. Wont be on until around lunch time. I think I've made our role and alignment about as clear as possible. Can't wait to see what I come back to!

You mean burnt houses and starving children?  

[TheRagnarok]

Nothing about you was villagery the first time. Stop the nonsense.

Yeah Sili, if you scatter scumtells like you're a flower girl tossin out petals, prolllllllly not gonna go well.

[Sili Quirrels]

THEY WERE NOT SCUMMMMMTELELLSSL1!!!!!

 

but that's standard dm for ya. the village is the wolfpack's errand boy.

[Sili Quirrels]

and i mean besides not being true scum tells for me, they were nowhere near as numerous as desp or pral presented them as.

 

yet another problem with dm. malfeasance. i also had a lot of village tells, but no one paid any attention to them cause confirmation bias.

[Arsis]

Stop misusing words. It's annoying. The context and connotation is way off. It makes you sounds disingenuous. Do you know who is disingenuous in this game? Scum.

 

 

It's everyone else's fault though, not yours. You're amazing and without flaw.   

[Sili Quirrels]

You have a narrow view of the world arsis if you think those who have a different vantage point from yourself are disingenuous. But if you would prefer let us say instead I was misrepresented by those who had power over my presentation to the village, and hopefully we might agree on the language used at least.

 

As to how I have erred, I've conceded my mistakes so many times it's gotten laborious, and neither were they as grievous as you claim.

 

So, after the game. Kay. Berf already hates me for spamming fluff about my past life. Let's not add unto the heap of paper by talking about how damnable my lynch was.

 

you should find Town. I dont shift my votes much. our little back and forth n1 should have given clear indication of where I was voting the next day which is where i did vote the next day. I didnt shift much from my thoughts about lynching tommy either

 

Is that consistency a town tell for you? Usually villagers evolve their reads to adjust to new information. You pushed tommy pretty hard d1, and seemed pretty confident he was scum. And then at the end you lost track of the page numbers when you hopped onto my wagon.

 

It's easy to make mistakes if you aren't keeping track of the thread.

[monstrman]

I'm a banana

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Even if the actions were confirmed your role isn't. Could be a scum JOAT that tracked Pray and either scum with BFKey or buddying them by corroborating their story.

 

 

Actually I was thinking about it and bolded doesn't really seem likely in light of this post from Krak:

 

 

@Mod - hypothetically, if someone was blocked would a watcher see them visit their target?

 

The way I conceptualized roles for this game, if a target is blocked they still travel from their "house" to their target but are unable to do anything once they arrive.  

 

 

I don't see Krak lying or joining in on a lie for the scum team as a mod, def don't think that's an option at all. So basically either you're Scum Tracker (idk how uncommon or rare that might be, it HAS happened before) who still Tracked Key, in which case they would basically HAVE to be lying since Scum wouldn't bother RBing and Tracking the same person, or you're Town Tracker.

 

In fact, I think Krak actually might have slipped up a bit and modspewed that BFKey tried going somewhere but were blocked, and that you tracked them going somewhere. The wording of his post seems to back up what you're saying about how you had a conversation with him in your QT about it, this post almost seemed like a continuation of that

 

If that's the case tho, then that would mean both you and BFKey are telling the truth. However I still believe Manbat, Hallia, and Pray in all their claims, so the only other PR claim would be Arsis. I already mentioned how I'm trusting it less than I was initially, but then again I also think back to how he reacted to my Vig gambit D2- if he was Scum Watcher he prob could have played that to make me look worse than he did, but he kinda seemed as bewildered as everyone else.

 

Then again, he could have been bewildered because he knew I wasn't blocked... and also mebbe thought there was a town BDer causing hijinks or something.... plus Scum Watcher is a LOT more common than Town Watcher...

 

Eh I dunno. Def a lot of stuff still in the air.

[hazelkrs1]

Anyways, besides the whole claim party, this is basically where I'm at:

 

Hey guys, we could always just lynch a scum in Verb. 

 

Or sit here and argue until Verb slips through yet again.

 

Pretty much in full agreement with Rags here. Verb's gots to go.

 

Spoilered for brief NSFW language:

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b07sactDEKU

 

[hazelkrs1]

Will either be doing a bunch of quote grabs from like the past 40 pages or so, or a Verb iso tonight. Prob not both.

 

Besides him tho, still think I could have been right about Alanna's slip. Tommy flipping town only strengthens that, albeit slightly. Aorn my solve is looking something like:

 

Verbal, Alanna, Dice, Serf

 

Dice is kinda associative off of Verbal- looking back Verb's stance on Dice all game is actually REALLY strange. He goes from "Whoa, this new aggressive Dice looks weird" to "I dunno, still don't know what to make of aggressive Dice" to "Dice I'm used to just sheeping all your reads, but this game I can't"

 

 

Def looks like it could be a weird distancing thing going on. Also Verb, Dice, Lates, and Serf, have all at various points advocated lynching or killing REALLY bad candidates for town. They all seemed to think lynching Tommy would make sense since it would keep town from losing a Beloved Princess later on, which makes no sense obviously (don't really care to hear their explanations either tbh, that argument wore me out just to read). I could see some w/w connections between many of them as well, which I might show later.

 

Anyway, toodles for now.

[Sili Quirrels]

I think verb's a bad lynch, but that's just my opinion. I don't know him.

[Sili Quirrels]

i suppose i should mull it over for tomorrow. maybe read a bit of his iso.

[dicetosser1]

You have a narrow view of the world arsis if you think those who have a different vantage point from yourself are disingenuous. But if you would prefer let us say instead I was misrepresented by those who had power over my presentation to the village, and hopefully we might agree on the language used at least.

 

As to how I have erred, I've conceded my mistakes so many times it's gotten laborious, and neither were they as grievous as you claim.

 

So, after the game. Kay. Berf already hates me for spamming fluff about my past life. Let's not add unto the heap of paper by talking about how damnable my lynch was.

 

 

you should find Town. I dont shift my votes much. our little back and forth n1 should have given clear indication of where I was voting the next day which is where i did vote the next day. I didnt shift much from my thoughts about lynching tommy either

 

Is that consistency a town tell for you? Usually villagers evolve their reads to adjust to new information. You pushed tommy pretty hard d1, and seemed pretty confident he was scum. And then at the end you lost track of the page numbers when you hopped onto my wagon.

 

It's easy to make mistakes if you aren't keeping track of the thread.

 

it pretty much is. Once I start calling someone scum and wont back off it its a pretty clear sign im town. Note that i dont think i ever actually called tommy scum. I definitely went at him yes but i dont think i did more then posit that he might be scum. I know i said that cause of the claim i was thinking he was town but that claim is why i wanted him lynched. If i do back off its more a sign that im unsure then that im mafia. i vote differently as mafia

 

its also easy to make mistakes if you are 12 or more hrs out of sync with everybody cause ure in Oz and every time you sleep they crank out 40 pages

Will either be doing a bunch of quote grabs from like the past 40 pages or so, or a Verb iso tonight. Prob not both.

 

Besides him tho, still think I could have been right about Alanna's slip. Tommy flipping town only strengthens that, albeit slightly. Aorn my solve is looking something like:

 

Verbal, Alanna, Dice, Serf

 

Dice is kinda associative off of Verbal- looking back Verb's stance on Dice all game is actually REALLY strange. He goes from "Whoa, this new aggressive Dice looks weird" to "I dunno, still don't know what to make of aggressive Dice" to "Dice I'm used to just sheeping all your reads, but this game I can't"

 

 

Def looks like it could be a weird distancing thing going on. Also Verb, Dice, Lates, and Serf, have all at various points advocated lynching or killing REALLY bad candidates for town. They all seemed to think lynching Tommy would make sense since it would keep town from losing a Beloved Princess later on, which makes no sense obviously (don't really care to hear their explanations either tbh, that argument wore me out just to read). I could see some w/w connections between many of them as well, which I might show later.

 

Anyway, toodles for now.

 

blue   thats funny   I seem to remember you going pretty hard after the same person I did. Can you say hypocrite?

[Sili Quirrels]

its also easy to make mistakes if you are 12 or more hrs out of sync with everybody cause ure in Oz and every time you sleep they crank out 40 pages

 

This is true. :bigsmile:

 

okay then, i`ll take your word for it until i don`t.

[Sili Quirrels]

emoticons =

[hazelkrs1]

blue   thats funny   I seem to remember you going pretty hard after the same person I did. Can you say hypocrite?

 

Uh yeah, and then I later revealed that push of mine was a trap, you even called me Desackbarthera yourself.

[hazelkrs1]

Verbal has a lot more posts than I realized. Not good considering I wanna slank it right now

 

[hazelkrs1]

In fact, Verbal is like 5th in post count, and WAY above a lot of other people, yet most of those others I feel have much stronger thread presence than him.

 

Pretty telling imo.

[Sili Quirrels]

How many posts does verb have? I remember something in the 200's.

 

my gut says he's slight town, but i will admit he doesn't have much of a voice, and it's hard to get a wagon started on him.  i remember thinking the leelou/verb discussions were awkward during my stay in the nether, and they don't happen very often too. and i would like to understand leelou's read of verb.

 

that said yates has been showing his village side lately, and i hear leelou's reads of verbal are generally accurate. i would prefer to look elsewhere for today's lynch. probably arsis, pral or hallia to resolve the fake role claim.

 

with that said ##Arsis

 

unfortunately there's a problem lynching each, but then arsis is probably the most capable liar.

[Nynaeve]

I'll do a VC in a bit guys. Sorry for the delay.