[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Krakalakachkn]

@Mod - hypothetically, if someone was a Watcher and watched a target, would that Watcher see themselves visiting their target?

 

no

[Yates]

Cool. Means Arsis could still be telling the truth.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

@Mod - hypothetically, if someone was a Watcher and watched a target, would that Watcher see themselves visiting their target?

 

no

 

But if a watcher watched themselves would they see their two selves from a third perspective?  

 

It's a watcher within a watcher inside of another watcher.

[Nynaeve]

*snickers*

[Yates]

*snickers*

Great. Now I'm hungry. And I need something that really satisfies.

[Arsis]

Has tommy been to the dt yet? I'll tag out for him he's better at making cases. Verb/hallia are scum. Vote them.

 

Like this

 

 

## Verbal

[Nynaeve]

 

*snickers*

Great. Now I'm hungry. And I need something that really satisfies.

 

 

Happy to be of no service 

[Nynaeve]

Vote Count

 

Dice (1): Pral

Alanna (1): Dice

Verbal (1): Arsis

 

 

Not Voting (9): The rest of you lot

 

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141107T12&p0=2133&csz=1

[Verbal32]

 

At this point I definitely think we have at least one scum among our claims. Monstr is the only one of them I'm strongly townreading at this point.

 

Tinfoil cap is on. I need to get a better handle on this game.

 

Is a JOAT different from a jack in any special way? Do they have specific abilities, or could it be anything?

 

It is typically a one shot of certain abilities given by the mod. I am having a hard time believing there is a JOAT and a watcher in town. I'd like to hear from Hallia the rest of her reveal. 

 

 

Agreed.  I think one of them is scum.  Could be both, but definitely one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Arsis , why monstr last night?

Why not? I figured tommmy would be jailed so scum would have to take a shot elsewhere. I'm not a tracker so if I watched key I couldn't see where they went.

I don't think it was a bad choice. It just seems likely mafia targeted him N1, and I'd be surprised if they tried him again. And I think key would have been a viable choice, because I would think scum might have tried to kill them.

 

The more I think about it, they really were the most logical choice for the nk. Not sure what to make if that.

 

 

I like this post.

 

 

 

 

Has tommy been to the dt yet? I'll tag out for him he's better at making cases. Verb/hallia are scum. Vote them.

 

Like this

 

 

## Verbal

 

And now you're just being obvious.

[Verbal32]

D1: Cory calls my posts awkward

 

D2: Rags calls my posts insincere

 

Now: Arsis calls my posts forced

 

 

^ scum team??

 

Maybe sub in Dice for Corlia or Arsis if only one of them is scum.

[Verbal32]

I'm waiting on Hallia to reveal all before making a decision here.

[Arsis]

 

So, let me get this straight.

 

-- Monstr, claimed Psychiatrist, visited me last night

 

-- Arsis, claimed Watcher, watched Monstr last night and nobody visited

 

-- Hallia, claimed JOAT [who tracked AJ N1], did something last night

 

-- BFKey, claimed JK, jailed Tommy last night

 

-- Tommy was killed

 

 

 

We know Krak confirmed protections work against multiple sources, so we can't say that maybe AJ shot Tommy. We know Tommy was a NK. Meaning that either BFKey was RBed, or is lying.

 

Here's the thing: I don't think they claim they jailed Tommy if they were lying. Why not go for a similar scenario as N1 and jail who they thought was town, and claim they were WIFOMing the mafia? That's the easiest thing to claim. Having to fight through a RBer discussion still puts them in harm's way for a lynch. I'm warming up on BFKey.

 

 

I think Arsis is being miscleared. Even after Tommy admitted I'm town, he still tried to push Hallia, myself and Leelou. There would be 1 teammate in there (IMO), and 2 townies. I'm already suspicious of Hallia, so that leaves me with~~

 

Arsis/Hallia/Dice/???

 

I could change that depending on what Hallia reveals about night actions last night. I think we need to hear all the details.....like, now.

Lmfao, Tommy admitted you're town and I still pushed you means that I didn't agree with Tommyrod. Tommy also said "if you're town it screws up my read of the game" He flipped vt not cop. You're play is low level this game. Regroup and try again this time from a more town angle. See, you're scum so you know manbat is town so my watching him isn't surprising to you. To someone actually town it might cause them to wonder.

 

You're so scummy it hurts. That type of trying to make a subtle connection between you and a dead townie. The emotional manipulation of tommy before. The silly push of Thane super early day 1. You're scum and the lynch today for anyone paying attention to the game.

You're going to ignore this post Verbal?

[monstrman]

Alright Arsis, talk me down off a ledge. I'm trying to make sense of the game so bare with me for a couple of posts:Here are the Town PR claims:Monstr - PhyschiatristBFKey - Jail KeeperArsis - WatcherHally - JOATDes - Fake claimed Vig N1.I get why scum would have passed on Tommy's BP claim. I especially get why scum would have skipped if they saw you claim Watcher watching Tommy. My tinfoil here is this; why would you claim so soon? You either paint a target on your back [a target that wasn't shot at, btw] or you just told the scum team who NOT to shoot - thus undermining the ONE PERFECT CHANCE we had to find scum. So this annoys me. It annoys me enough that I start questioning the Town motivation.Given all the claims out there currently, and how you played your role, I start wondering how a JOAT, a JK, and a Watcher can all exist in a game - especially if a JOAT can do the work of the Watcher. So you see why I'm taking all of these claims with a grain of salt right now?Also, @Monstr:Why wouldn't you just target AJ again, Monstr? Was Hally somehow giving you "third party" vibes?? We had ONE 3rd party claim. I'm not sure why you don't just keep investigating it.I'm uncomfortable with this play. And I need to think about what that means.

Because I targeted aj and it didn't turn him into a vanilla

 

What does hallia have to do with that?

 

"I need to think about what that means" is a really wolfy hedgey thing to say

[monstrman]

Well also partly that I thought hallia was also a psychiatrist and thought she targeted him n1

[Yates]

Because I targeted aj and it didn't turn him into a vanilla

If you are the Psychiatrist, WHY didn't you turn him vanilla - specifically N1?? Is it because you were JKed??

 

So I ask again; WHY didn't you target AJ again?

[Yates]

Well also partly that I thought hallia was also a psychiatrist and thought she targeted him n1

Why would you think this??? That seems weird.

[monstrman]

Because she said "I can confirm Aj is not the serial killer"?

 

I only breadcrumbed my role/why I thought that seventeen times itt

 

Your language is getting wolfier by the second

 

Saying things like "this makes me uneasy" and "this seems weird" is wording that a wolf uses when they want to cast suspicion on people but are afraid of outing themselves in the process

 

The only caveat however is that I'm not sure wolf yates yolos at villager monstrman like that because if you continue this train of thought then it would likely be suicide

[monstrman]

Being contrary for the sake of being contrary is not usually helpful yates.

 

I was very likely the n1 tatarget and I'm cleared by everyone itt

 

Those are all traits of my villager game

 

If you're a villager i suggest you look elsewhere for a target

 

If you're a wolf I don't mind and I encourage you to continue so I can start a thunderdome and get you lynched.

[Pralaya]

## unvote

[Alanna]

Monstr - you thought there were 2 psychs? Why would that be?

[Alanna]

I'm waiting on Hallia to reveal all before making a decision here.

Me too.

[Yates]

Saying things like "this makes me uneasy" and "this seems weird" is wording that a wolf uses when they want to cast suspicion on people but are afraid of outing themselves in the process

Excuse me?

 

Check yourself and your ego at the door.

 

Statements like CLAIMING my statements are wolfy are wolfy. How about that?? I don't know your play. I don't know your role. We have HOW MANY confirmed lies ITT? So kindly SHOW ME you are Town, and try ASSISTING when it comes to someone trying to figure out the game with all these claims out there instead of acting like you are an Innocent Child or something. Cool? Cool.

 

Sorry I have to ask you questions but as a result of NA's, you are squarely in the middle of the solve. Deal with it like a grown up and don't get your panties in a twist when we need stuff clarified. Please and thank you.

[monstrman]

Monstr - you thought there were 2 psychs? Why would that be?

I've seen it before and she said "i'm confirming that aj is not a sk"

 

My role turns sk into vanilla townie

 

Thought she had the same role

[Yates]

Pral - We're a cop and found you guilty on N1. How is it we got blocked AND the kill got blocked N1?

 

Dice is innocent.

[Yates]

Typing too fast. That should read "How is it we got *REDIRECTED* AND the kill got blocked N1?