[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

VERBAL!

Verb. Why are you ignoring Leelou? I have no idea what you asked her either.

Sorry guys, I was digging up the quote.

Leelou · November 4, 2014

@Leelou:

[v]##BFKey[/v]

What about Pral? Does this look a little like how he was with us last game?

What about Dice? He's staying out of the limelight and is still wayyy more aggressive than I'm used to.

I don't like how Pral isn't completely caught up with the game, I don't think he's like he was with us last game though. He used really convoluted reasons as to why he thought people were what they were. This time it looks like he's just behind and his reasons more flow with the game.

Dice seems aggressive, yet cautious. I sorta cleared him earlier due to his taking stances, but I can go back and ISO him.

Now, questions for you:

Thoughts on Des, Key, Pral and Tommy. Also, just on me, then on both Yates and myself.

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

And why are you still only vaguely mentioning Cory and how you think he might be scum, but not doing much else on the subject?
Why are you not doing ANYTHING substantial?

And why are you still only vaguely mentioning Cory and how you think he might be scum, but not doing much else on the subject?
Why are you not doing ANYTHING substantial?

Because I need more death. Need NKs and flips - not just lynches that might be town-driven.

On the topic of substantial, what have you done outside of FOS the entire game at some point and lead lynches on 2 townies? And then berate people for thinking Sili was scum?

Who are the 2 people you'll fight tooth and nail to protect?

Monstr and Des. I can't see either flipping scum in this game after Des dropped his visage.

I would have done the same for Sili if Des hadn't been so sure about him.

Yours?

Saying I'm not doing anything is untrue. Why do you act like NKs give better info than wagons? That's nuts.

Des and either Monstr or Yates/Leelou. I'm waiting to finish my discussions with Leelou first. I had listed Monstr as green quite a while back, and I have a towntell on Des that he's been popping left and right this past day.

So we look to be mostly aligned on that. Stop flip-flopping on me - it is distracting. Either come after me 100%, or decide I'm town and we can work together.

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

Saying I'm not doing anything is untrue. Why do you act like NKs give better info than wagons? That's nuts.

I'm saying I want both, not just wagons. Wagons are fine, but I like to see NKs and how that looks in addition to the wagons of the day.

Tommyrod · November 4, 2014

Can't say I'm a big fan of the "lets work together" speech you've given me throughout this game, nor the "why do you keep pushing Cory but not PUSHING him" nudges.

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

@Leelou:

[v]##BFKey[/v]

What about Pral? Does this look a little like how he was with us last game?

What about Dice? He's staying out of the limelight and is still wayyy more aggressive than I'm used to.

I don't like how Pral isn't completely caught up with the game, I don't think he's like he was with us last game though. He used really convoluted reasons as to why he thought people were what they were. This time it looks like he's just behind and his reasons more flow with the game.

Dice seems aggressive, yet cautious. I sorta cleared him earlier due to his taking stances, but I can go back and ISO him.

Now, questions for you:

Thoughts on Des, Key, Pral and Tommy. Also, just on me, then on both Yates and myself.

Pral: meh, I'm not convinced. I'm null, but maybe leaning closer to town at this point. Still largely undecided.

Dice: still orange for me. I've seen him figure out who he thinks scum are, and then hound them like crazy and keep at them. Here, I'm seeing him be aggressive and then quiet down.....aggressive and then quiet again. Just seems weird.

Des: as I said to Tommy, he's got a big towntell for me that he's hitting. I won't lynch him ever in this game, barring a confirmed Cop view and even then I'd still rather lynch myself for being so damn wrong (again).

Key: I really liked her responses today. Really. I was maybe a little orange on them, but I think that was enough to move them to green for me.

Tommy: I think he's town, although he and I disagree on how much help he is when he's hyperactive and drowning his own ideas out. That said, I'm serious about his presence - I don't like the idea of scum killing him late after we potentially lose some PRs and then the negative utility in his role becomes MORE pronounced than it is at this moment. I'm confused as to why he doesn't realize that as well.

You: you followed up with me on something the other day, and that made me think you're town. I was light green on Yates for being able to follow his thought process clearly, and dark green on you for that follow up. I want to move you to blue, but I can't just yet. But green, yes.

Yates: I explained above.

Tommyrod · November 4, 2014

Verb what do you think makes Pral look like town?

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

Can't say I'm a big fan of the "lets work together" speech you've given me throughout this game, nor the "why do you keep pushing Cory but not PUSHING him" nudges.

Can't say I'm a big fan of you sniping at me all game, nor the pushing on Cory but not PUSHING nudges.

;-)

Leelou · November 4, 2014

Have I done anything you doubt?

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

Verb what do you think makes Pral look like town?

Like Leelou said, I don't think his reasons look like he grabbed them from thin air. It just read like normal Pral, but less active due to yet another hyperactive game that he can't stay afloat in. That said, he did just recently post and say he's caught up, so I'll be looking closely at his subsequent posts to validate my "null to town" read.

Tommyrod · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

Have I done anything you doubt?

I can't use ignoring my question I quoted above because the game was so active that your excuse is likely valid.

You haven't been really asking for me to chime in and work with you much, but I can't use that 100% because you have a QT with Yates to keep track of and do that exact thing in.....so it makes a read on you more difficult.

But I'm green on you guys as of now.

Leelou · November 4, 2014

Have I done anything you doubt?

I can't use ignoring my question I quoted above because the game was so active that your excuse is likely valid.

You haven't been really asking for me to chime in and work with you much, but I can't use that 100% because you have a QT with Yates to keep track of and do that exact thing in.....so it makes a read on you more difficult.

But I'm green on you guys as of now.

You haven't been on when I really am, so it's hard for me to ask help from you. But since you are here now, help me Verbal, you're my only hope.

I have a bad feeling from Cory's earlier posts and I'm completely torn between him and Hallia. If it was just Hallia, I've had read her as town. If it was just Cory, scum. I know you think Alanna is town, but do you have any inkling she could be scum?

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.

Where did I say that?

Firing from the hip like this just drowns out anything good you have to say.

Leelou · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.

Where did I say that?

Firing from the hip like this just drowns out anything good you have to say.

Can we talk about Tommy like he isn't here for a few minutes?

Tommyrod · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.

Where did I say that?

Firing from the hip like this just drowns out anything good you have to say.

Just now. You described Pral in vague generalities instead of pointing to specific posts that stuck out in your mind.

Townies tend to remember stuff that either looks really good or really bad for another player.

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

Pralaya:

The point is you haven't demonstrated understanding of the thread flow ever. At best you've read to eod1 and have no idea what the last 80 pages have been about.

True. Your point being?
EoD is a much better source of information than things that happen during the day.

Really? This seems oddly reductionist coming from you and not something I've seen you espouse before.

You have really not seen me saying wagonomics is better than tone/meta reads before?

Result: slight town. He's said this many times before.

I've never seen you say that EOD is much more valuable than the rest of the game.

So what's your list from reads from top to bottom? Little sentence for each.

Which is same as saying wagonomics > meta/tone reads

Reads same as before, just minor changes

Town:

Arsis - His whole emo dont-care attitude during D1 when he was run up is much more like town. Also has similar reads as me
Tommy - Don't see you pull a CFD on a new train on D1 as scum. You would have just influenced the town to lynch one of the trains
Dice - His EoD voting Sili to get the lynch was very townish. Plus his posts have been sincere
Des - Good reads, surprisingly, this game. Not seeing the opportunistic Des that is usual when he is scum

Null/?:
Rags - So far so good. I have to read in detail D2 to get a read on him. Hence null.
Manbat - Liked his posts D1 and quite different from the aloof meta he had as scum in a game earlier. But his voting Thane after saying multiple times that THane >> rand to be a villager doesn't sit well with me
AJ - Think he is survivor based on the fact that there is no counter claim. Tough claim to make on D1 as scum. Can see if he is scum as game progresses
Berf - Mainly town read from him. But his absence and EoD behavior worries me.
Lates - Frankly Leelou is giving a town vibe but am reading scum from Yates . Not fully confident here.

Slightly scummy:
Verbal - Not seeing enough of a want-to-solve posts by Verbal so far this game. Mostly off-comments and random posts
Cory/Halley - Hally seems more aggressive than usual but understand that she has changed her game somewhat. But, this is more of a gut feel.

Scum: Already given enough reasons for this
Key
Alanna
Sili

Result: slight town. I agree with the blue, and the read on me in red is very accurate. I liked this post.

Pral: you think the Jailkeeper claim was a lie? Or they're a scum RB or somesuch? Why do you think that?

Don't believe them as town. Don't see why they would JK manbat as town - no way he was getting targetted by scum. Also, a town JK would try to target scum rather than town so that if ta all manbat is a PR, his power wouldn't be wasted. They would ideally have targetted you instead - because if they thought you are scum, then why not JK you? If you were town, why not JK you and prevent a loss for town?

Result: slight scum. Surprised he doesn't see the value in protecting a consensus townie via the JK role. His point about not wanting to inhibit a town PR is what makes this only slightly scummy, and not fully.

Overall: null to slightly town.

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.

Where did I say that?

Firing from the hip like this just drowns out anything good you have to say.

Just now. You described Pral in vague generalities instead of pointing to specific posts that stuck out in your mind.

Townies tend to remember stuff that either looks really good or really bad for another player.

I do. You didn't ask. I posted it anyway - ninja'd above.

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.

Where did I say that?

Firing from the hip like this just drowns out anything good you have to say.

Can we talk about Tommy like he isn't here for a few minutes?

Gladly.

Tommyrod · November 4, 2014

Why would you award town points to someone for making a null statement about their own playstyle?

Tommyrod · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.
Where did I say that?

Firing from the hip like this just drowns out anything good you have to say.

Just now. You described Pral in vague generalities instead of pointing to specific posts that stuck out in your mind.

Townies tend to remember stuff that either looks really good or really bad for another player.

I do. You didn't ask. I posted it anyway - ninja'd above.

Those posts are all from today.

Why did you have a town read on Pral before today?

Leelou · November 4, 2014

It looks bad for you that you can't refer to a specific post that you liked from Pral.

Where did I say that?

Firing from the hip like this just drowns out anything good you have to say.

Can we talk about Tommy like he isn't here for a few minutes?

Gladly.

What are your overall thoughts of his claim? Thoughts on the CFD?

Verbal32 · November 4, 2014

Have I done anything you doubt?

I can't use ignoring my question I quoted above because the game was so active that your excuse is likely valid.

You haven't been really asking for me to chime in and work with you much, but I can't use that 100% because you have a QT with Yates to keep track of and do that exact thing in.....so it makes a read on you more difficult.

But I'm green on you guys as of now.

You haven't been on when I really am, so it's hard for me to ask help from you. But since you are here now, help me Verbal, you're my only hope.

I have a bad feeling from Cory's earlier posts and I'm completely torn between him and Hallia. If it was just Hallia, I've had read her as town. If it was just Cory, scum. I know you think Alanna is town, but do you have any inkling she could be scum?

Why are you town on Hallia? Can you use a reason other than her "new" tone?

Alanna: I mean, anybody *could* be scum, but her responses have been pretty reasonable. I'm willing to continue thinking about this and reevaluating.

Yates · November 4, 2014

@Des - I'm kind of chuckling to myself right now. After getting on Alanna so hard yesterday for forgetting an obvious possibility on the "RB scenario," why aren't you getting on Tommy about this???

Monstr, if Key was telling the truth then you're close to lock clear.

I think you were anyway but being shot is pretty clearing.

If BFKey is actually a JK, I'd at least threaten to JK Manbat again after a successful no kill night.

Arsis · November 4, 2014

Verbal is scum.

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