[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

Alanna · November 5, 2014

Manbat, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. I don't get your thinking here. Hallia says AJ is not SK and you assume that means she has the same role as you? You don't think for a minute that maybe she came by that info another way, or was lying? Help me understand this. If that were me, I'd be at least a little suspicious if her, but you went the other way. Why?

monstrman · November 5, 2014

Saying things like "this makes me uneasy" and "this seems weird" is wording that a wolf uses when they want to cast suspicion on people but are afraid of outing themselves in the process
Excuse me?Check yourself and your ego at the door.Statements like CLAIMING my statements are wolfy are wolfy. How about that?? I don't know your play. I don't know your role. We have HOW MANY confirmed lies ITT? So kindly SHOW ME you are Town, and try ASSISTING when it comes to someone trying to figure out the game with all these claims out there instead of acting like you are an Innocent Child or something. Cool? Cool.Sorry I have to ask you questions but as a result of NA's, you are squarely in the middle of the solve. Deal with it like a grown up and don't get your panties in a twist when we need stuff clarified. Please and thank you.

First of all I've been in the thread voicing my suspicions all freaking game and nothing has happened except that I've been put on ignore and otherwise cleared which is basically the most frustrating thing to me in the world

I'm not trying to sound superior or anything just get really frustrated when I give tons of reasons for people to be villagers (for example, sili) and people just go "nah I disagree" and lynch him anyway and then go "well he was a villager who knew?"

I did. I am EXTREMELY good at finding villagers when other people find them wolfy it's probably the only talent I have in this game aside from being the clearest person in the thread when I am a villager.

I'm sorry if I sounded rude to you but I am very frustrated already for the reasons I stated and when everyone starts hounding on me for one tiny detail that happened like "oh why did you think hallia was a psychiatrist what are you dumb" and I know you didn't say that but in my mind that's what it comes to and it just frustrates me because sometimes I don't know why I do things

I just do them

You can't say I haven't been villagery because I'm cleared by so many people in the thread for many more reasons than just because I might have been the n1 nk

Key gave a fantastic reason for why I was a villager

I've constantly adapted my reads to shifting information and I can recall any specific even that happened in this thread and can probably even quoquote a few sentences from memory because I'm just so invested in this game and I don't want to lose and the thought that I could just makes me wanna scream

Alanna · November 5, 2014

Wait, you've seen 2 psychiatrists before? Was one a backup or something? That just seens weird.

monstrman · November 5, 2014

I've seen two of the same role before and idk I don't know why it made sense to me it just did

monstrman · November 5, 2014

If you could REREAD THE THREAD

I'd say check the breadcrumbs because i made several posts like "I think hallia is a villager for secret role reasons"

In fact this should probably clear me because in what universe do I receive psychiatrist as a fake role claim and then go "oh gee I bet the mod put a real psychiatrist in the game I'm just gonna claim that I thought there was two."

Leelou · November 5, 2014

I'm waiting on Hallia to reveal all before making a decision here.

Same

Alanna · November 5, 2014

Typing too fast. That should read "How is it we got *REDIRECTED* AND the kill got blocked N1?

I think I missed something? How do you know you were redirected? We're you told this?

Leelou · November 5, 2014

Wait, you've seen 2 psychiatrists before? Was one a backup or something? That just seens weird.

I've never seen 2 before, that would be overkill IMO

Arsis · November 5, 2014

Who cares there aren't two on this game. Let's not get distracted by nonsense.

BFG · November 5, 2014

Why would mafia NK us when practically everyone still suspects us, making us a lynch candidate? Plus we're no threat out in the open. They can block us and stop us from interfering, if we lynch their RB or it's a one shot they can kill us next since we can't self protect.

I strongly believe Arsis and Manbat are town.

I believe Des is town.

Beyond that it's a bit iffy.

I want to believe that CorHalia is as well - Hallia has seemed obv town all game, and Cory's ISO was better than I remembered, I was just remembering the 'grumpy' bits. In short I don't believe that their hydra has been scummy enough to disbelieve their current claim.

I suspect EOD1 wagons make Serf more likely to be town, there was no more resistance to his wagon then the others, so I suspect the trains were on town and mafia didn't care - think this is matched by the number of people who were online at the time. If Lates flipped mafia I think this would hard clear Berf. I don't have any problems believing that people are having difficulties keeping up - the only reason I'm not crying in the hills, or given up all together, is because Key is awesome :wub: Key also had a town feel from Berf when he was around and catching up. At one stage he was the closest to a lynch with not much time to go, and it was Tommy who changed that.

That leaves me with Pral, Verb, Lates, Alanna, Dice, Rags and I'm hoping all the mafia are in this group!

From memory:

Dice - I had problems with the logic of his votes Day 1, particularly the vote on Arsis, I really dislike his logic regarding Tommy, however the argument was one of the things that led me to stop tinfoiling on Tommy yesterday. Against that I associate agressive Dice with Town Dice. I also want to think that Dice is more likely to take a stand on lynching a BP as town, but also think that mafia would push for his lynch above a NK on the chance he was lying about how his powers activated, instead of the role in general.

Pral - general bad feelings about his catchup. I still don't understand how Key asking somebody why they're not voting somebody whose they're strongest mafia read/or rather the person that's done the 'wolfiest' thing on thread at the time (albeit very early in the game) is scummy. It seemed there was a difference between Pral saying it was outright scummy (as in the action) and Tommy who seemed concerned by tone. However there are a lot of people who apparantly agree with the above, so I really don't know any more. I'm not sure what made his opinion suddenly change since last night he thought we were mafia. It concerns me that he's going to push for a Dice lynch today and then back track and push on us again if he flips town. I also feel like I'm being paranoid here, but given that his 'only' reason for suspecting Dice is his nudge on us.

After that it gets even more interesting as I can't remember having any strong opinions on the others. I know I had an early town read on Lates, but can't remember why and couldn't find it in ISO a few days ago. I also really don't want to believe that Leelou randed mafia again.

Did Verb ever explain why he thought AJ was town? I remember he said something about thinking AJ didn't have a QT, so he was 'right' in a way, but I don't really follow the argument. I also disagree with his argument about lynching Tommy - if Tommy was lying (as was likely) then even if he was a BP there was a strong probability that it wouldn't kick off if it was a NK (according to the role wiki), but always would if lynched, so theres an argument for throwing him to the wolves, but none for lynching him.

I know that a lot of people have pushed Alanna as she 'hasn't posted outside her mafia range' but since that's the same argument that people have used against Key, I'm not putting a lot of stock in it, I also know that Key is wary of Alanna's mafia game, so /shrug.

I also dislike using the word 'feel' so many times, this is not how I play mafia :(

BFG · November 5, 2014

And ninja'ed while typing :dry:

Pralaya · November 5, 2014

Pral - We're a cop and found you guilty on N1. How is it we got blocked AND the kill got blocked N1?

Dice is innocent.

Typing too fast. That should read "How is it we got *REDIRECTED* AND the kill got blocked N1?

??

First, I don't know how you got guilty on me.

Second, what do you mean by you got redirected?

BFG · November 5, 2014

Yates do you mean that you viewed Pral and he was guilty or that you tried to view Pral, were redirected and whoever you viewed was guilty?

Pralaya · November 5, 2014

Yates do you mean that you viewed Pral and he was guilty or that you tried to view Pral, were redirected and whoever you viewed was guilty?

How would he know that?

Hallia · November 5, 2014

Oh really Yates?

I used a cop view last night on Pral, and got a town. Liarrrr!

##Vote Lates

BFG · November 5, 2014

Mynd made a distinction between when they viewed the player they submitted on or not in the Avengers game.

Yates · November 5, 2014

Yates do you mean that you viewed Pral and he was guilty or that you tried to view Pral, were redirected and whoever you viewed was guilty?

We viewed him as guilty and wanted to see where the thread took us. Didn't want to reveal until we had 2 NA's under our belt. Especially since we were unsure on BFKey being a JK or Scum RB.

Point of that was I was anticipating his excuses for investigating guilty. So Pral is scum... Trying to figure out what that means for everyone else.

Yates · November 5, 2014

Oh really Yates?

I used a cop view last night on Pral, and got a town. Liarrrr!

##Vote Lates

Protecting your scumbro? How would that be "interesting" as you said? An inno is anything but "interesting."

Hallia · November 5, 2014

I'm fine with testing that theory, if you are. I'm WTL you or Pral to prove it today.

Yates · November 5, 2014

I'm down. You still didn't answer my question. You said this:

@Monstr - I figured as much from first night because I tracked AJ, and he went nowhere. I still have 2 more shots to use, of different abilities. Last night was....verrrrrry interesting. I shall refrain from saying just yet.

An innocent view is decidedly NOT interesting. So why are you lying?

monstrman · November 5, 2014

##rags

Hallia · November 5, 2014

It is interesting to me. You can't tell me what is or isn't interesting to me.

Yates · November 5, 2014

Also, an AJ "track result" is the easiest thing in the thread to fake when you know he was an SK and we didn't have an SK kill N1. So color me unimpressed and unconvinced.

Leelou · November 5, 2014

It is interesting to me. You can't tell me what is or isn't interesting to me.

I don't really see how that is interesting.

dicetosser1 · November 5, 2014

@Arsis - What do you think of Hally's JOAT claim given your own PR?

Joat is scum 9/10. Hallia has played scummy. That's all I need to know. Verbal/hallia need to be lynched.

come again??? i think its more like 9/1- time TOWN actually

Alright Arsis, talk me down off a ledge. I'm trying to make sense of the game so bare with me for a couple of posts:Here are the Town PR claims:Monstr - PhyschiatristBFKey - Jail KeeperArsis - WatcherHally - JOATDes - Fake claimed Vig N1.I get why scum would have passed on Tommy's BP claim. I especially get why scum would have skipped if they saw you claim Watcher watching Tommy. My tinfoil here is this; why would you claim so soon? You either paint a target on your back [a target that wasn't shot at, btw] or you just told the scum team who NOT to shoot - thus undermining the ONE PERFECT CHANCE we had to find scum. So this annoys me. It annoys me enough that I start questioning the Town motivation.Given all the claims out there currently, and how you played your role, I start wondering how a JOAT, a JK, and a Watcher can all exist in a game - especially if a JOAT can do the work of the Watcher. So you see why I'm taking all of these claims with a grain of salt right now?Also, @Monstr:Why wouldn't you just target AJ again, Monstr? Was Hally somehow giving you "third party" vibes?? We had ONE 3rd party claim. I'm not sure why you don't just keep investigating it.I'm uncomfortable with this play. And I need to think about what that means.

Because I targeted aj and it didn't turn him into a vanilla

What does hallia have to do with that?

"I need to think about what that means" is a really wolfy hedgey thing to say

blue its also something you say when you need to think.

Typing too fast. That should read "How is it we got *REDIRECTED* AND the kill got blocked N1?

yates im missing something here

did you get redirected? yes or no

HOW do you know you got redirected if yes?

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