[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[TheRagnarok]

 

 

 

So, verb. You have serf as a lock clear? How'd you come to that conclusion?

 

Sili is green - lock clear is blue.  I defended Berf a little based on his EOD1 posts and response to the run-up.  I think Sili2.0 is townie, so it adds up to an overall green on this slot.  I also have a hard time seeing a mafia member sub out due to activity - he can get catch ups via QT from his team.  This is a super bad reason, but it entered my head, so I should say it.

 

 

 

Oh dang. I didn't notice that Arsis. Hmmm.

 

Oh. My. God.

 

ATTENTION RAGS:  you should probably reconsider what you think are fake posts.  Just sayin'.

 

I know fake when I see it.

 

 

I suppose we'll be able to discuss that post-game.  But what do you think of that post from Hallia?  Or better yet, the last few?

 

Trying a bit too hard to be 'just so torn on what to do'.

[Pralaya]

So tell me, Pral, why DIDN'T you RB Des, again??

N1, was only caught up till lynch. Had not read anything further than that, so had no idea what des was planning. Was townreading both Tommy and des, so didnt find any reason to RB him, especially with limited shots.

[Pralaya]

## unvote

[dicetosser1]

 

blue   thats funny   I seem to remember you going pretty hard after the same person I did. Can you say hypocrite?

 

Uh yeah, and then I later revealed that push of mine was a trap, you even called me Desackbarthera yourself.

 

 

yet you still went at him. iirc you also went at sili too didnt you?

 

Still at work. ><. Bowling on Wed so I followed along but have trouble continuously commenting.

 

Des - that casing is impressive!

 

##vote: Verb

 

seriously??  thats it.

 

unvote ##vote hally 

[Nynaeve]

Vote Count

 

Verbal (3): Des, Hallia, Rags

Hallia (4): Verbal, Lates, Arsis, Dice

Dice (1): Monstr

Arsis (2): Alanna, Sili

 

 

Not Voting (2): BFKEY, Pral

 

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141107T12&p0=2133&csz=1

 

 

[dicetosser1]

des what concerns me is that you are tieing me to verb based on what HE has been saying. Screw what verb is saying read me based on ME. 

 

tbh im probably not as obvious town as i have been in the past but with the exception of sili who hasnt played with me before the only folks who shouldnt be reading me as town is the scum team.

 

but whatevs  go read ME and then make ure decision

[Verbal32]

I'm down with a Hallia lynch then a verbal/sili 2.0 lynch.

 

I'm glad you're following your own thought process from what you said before.  Are you bussing Hallia here?

 

 

 

 

des what concerns me is that you are tieing me to verb based on what HE has been saying. Screw what verb is saying read me based on ME. 

 

tbh im probably not as obvious town as i have been in the past but with the exception of sili who hasnt played with me before the only folks who shouldnt be reading me as town is the scum team.

 

but whatevs  go read ME and then make ure decision

 

FWIW, this feels a little more townie from you.

 

 

 

 

 

I really need a scum flip.

[Pralaya]

Alright, let's look go back to the basics and look at this. Specially at EoD1.
 

VOTE COUNT
 
Berf (6): BFKEY, Alanna, AJ, Thane, Tommy, Sili

BFKEY(2): Dice, Pral
Sili (5): Des, Rags, Lates, Cuddles, Arsis
Arsis (2): Verbal, Monstr
 
 
Not Voting (1): Berf

This was the situation before Tommy started the Thane wagon.

Interesting bit is that the second half of the Berf wagon is all town.

Where are the scum at this point? All piled on either berf or Sili? was there even one scum on berf?

My guess is that the sili train looks loaded. Scum was trying hard to lynch Sili. 

Around this time Tommy started floating the idea of lynching Rags first. The scum wouldn't be interested yet ... they wouldn't want to leave the leading town lynch to try start a new and fail.

That is when Dice voted sili. Now this is really important
 

unvote ##vote sili
 
 
for me you have been getting worse and worse since page 106. Add that to your constant  "why am i not blue" whinges and you get voted.
 
i am NOT voting berf or rags at this time

If Berf is scum, this was a clear move to save him and try to get Sili lynched. Last ditch effort.
However, if berf is town, this automatically clears dice as town too ... because if dice was scum, he would have tried to go for the easier lynch of the day.

This kind of ties down berf and dice to be of the same alignment


Tommy now jumps to try and get Thane lynched, with less than an hour remaining.

Point to note: In between, Tommy had started the rags wagon and monster and sili were on it already. It never saw any traction other than this. Monstr voting rags kind of clears him as town here. But the fact that nobody else voted rags looks bad for rags here.

Anyway, immediately Alanna jumps into the new train but BFKey starts double-guessing whether the new train will go or not.

Likely Alanna is also town here because why will she jump on a new train as scum when she could have jumped on sili and get him lynched? BFKey looks bad though.

15 minutes left
 

Reading monstr as town at this point. Same with berf. Still not sure about Sili, but I don't like his lynch - he entertains me.

As the CFD is on who I pressured early, I'm 100% down.

Verb overexplaining this? why is he trying to justify his lynch when a CFD is happening and Thane was likely to get lynched at this point? Anyway, not that big of a tell but just an observation. He votes eventually and we reach this.
 

VOTE COUNT

Berf (3): BFKEY, AJ, Thane
BFKEY(1): Pral
Sili (6): Des, Rags, Lates, Cuddles, Arsis, Dice
Thane (6): Tommy, Alanna, Sili, Berf, Monstr, Flea Bag

Now where are the scum? If we consider Monstr, Alanna as town and with Tommy, Sili as town, the Thane train looks too neat. Makes me think there is definitely a wolf between verbal/berf

As soon as it reaches a position that Thane would be lynched, Arsis, BFKey and Rags vote Thane, right at the nick of time.

If you ask me, berf is likely town because like Alanna he was quick to jump into Thane wagon. So dice is also town. Which means verbal is likely scum

One scum was not lynching thane because I see it unlikely all the four scum are there.

That would make the scum team as verbal, 2 of Arsis/BFKey/Rags and one of Des/Lates/Cuddles.

[TheRagnarok]

 

I'm down with a Hallia lynch then a verbal/sili 2.0 lynch.

 

I'm glad you're following your own thought process from what you said before.  Are you bussing Hallia here?

 

 

 

 

des what concerns me is that you are tieing me to verb based on what HE has been saying. Screw what verb is saying read me based on ME. 

 

tbh im probably not as obvious town as i have been in the past but with the exception of sili who hasnt played with me before the only folks who shouldnt be reading me as town is the scum team.

 

but whatevs  go read ME and then make ure decision

 

FWIW, this feels a little more townie from you.

 

I really need a scum flip.

 

It's stuff like this. 

 

'Golly gee guys, I sure do hope we get a scum flip today.'

[Verbal32]

If I wasn't just labeled scum on that breakdown, I think I'd be cheering right now.

 

But what about that last push towards Thane was mostly scum because they weren't willing to move until they were sure they'd secure a mislynch?  They already had a mislynch in Sili lined up, so moving away would occur at the last minute.

 

That means part of the scum team is on that Sili train and the rest is in the Arsis/BFKey/Rags group.

 

 

I think you are partly correct, but you missed the whole "Verbal is town" thing.

[Verbal32]

 

 

I'm down with a Hallia lynch then a verbal/sili 2.0 lynch.

 

I'm glad you're following your own thought process from what you said before.  Are you bussing Hallia here?

 

 

 

 

des what concerns me is that you are tieing me to verb based on what HE has been saying. Screw what verb is saying read me based on ME. 

 

tbh im probably not as obvious town as i have been in the past but with the exception of sili who hasnt played with me before the only folks who shouldnt be reading me as town is the scum team.

 

but whatevs  go read ME and then make ure decision

 

FWIW, this feels a little more townie from you.

 

I really need a scum flip.

 

It's stuff like this. 

 

'Golly gee guys, I sure do hope we get a scum flip today.'

 

 

So you plan on solving with more town mislynches, eh?  It was tongue in cheek - I need to see a scum flip to figure out the puzzle.

 

I'd normally think you're just guilty of confirmation bias, but at this point one has to wonder....

[monstrman]

Scum fake claim is in either Hally or Pral.

 

it literally can't be pral unless it's both hally and pral

[monstrman]

In fact I'd like you to elaborate on that one

[monstrman]

If I wasn't just labeled scum on that breakdown, I think I'd be cheering right now.

 

But what about that last push towards Thane was mostly scum because they weren't willing to move until they were sure they'd secure a mislynch?  They already had a mislynch in Sili lined up, so moving away would occur at the last minute.

 

That means part of the scum team is on that Sili train and the rest is in the Arsis/BFKey/Rags group.

 

 

I think you are partly correct, but you missed the whole "Verbal is town" thing.

 

I do not like bfkey as a wolf tbh

 

your scumteam makes me have skepticalface toward you

[Verbal32]

 

Scum fake claim is in either Hally or Pral.

 

it literally can't be pral unless it's both hally and pral

 

 

I believe Pral.  I don't believe Hallia.

 

 

 

 

 

If I wasn't just labeled scum on that breakdown, I think I'd be cheering right now.

 

But what about that last push towards Thane was mostly scum because they weren't willing to move until they were sure they'd secure a mislynch?  They already had a mislynch in Sili lined up, so moving away would occur at the last minute.

 

That means part of the scum team is on that Sili train and the rest is in the Arsis/BFKey/Rags group.

 

 

I think you are partly correct, but you missed the whole "Verbal is town" thing.

 

I do not like bfkey as a wolf tbh

 

your scumteam makes me have skepticalface toward you

 

 

I don't, either.  I'm just including them in the group that Pralaya used.

 

Sili (6): Des, Rags, Lates, Cuddles, Arsis, Dice

 

I'm saying that more than 1 scum is there.  I think it is between Rags, Corlia, Arsis, and Dice.

 

And between the 3 others, I think BFKey are the most likely town.

 

 

If Pral is right, then Dice can't really be scum.  That leaves Rags, Corlia, Arsis, and ??? (I'm assuming 4 scum right now).  Most POE probably puts me in there, which is fine.

[Yates]

 

Scum fake claim is in either Hally or Pral.

 

it literally can't be pral unless it's both hally and pral

 

Yeah.  I was just considering the claims.  It *could be* both but that last post by Pral looks pretty damn Town.  I'm still thinking it's Hally.

 

I want to look at Pral's break down post again and add some of my own opinion because I like the thought there.

[Verbal32]

Can Des fake his OMGIFOUDNTHEMALLLOOKATTHIS town bravado when scum?  If so, he has evolved his scum game, because he usually avoided doing that.

[Verbal32]

 

 

Scum fake claim is in either Hally or Pral.

 

it literally can't be pral unless it's both hally and pral

 

Yeah.  I was just considering the claims.  It *could be* both but that last post by Pral looks pretty damn Town.  I'm still thinking it's Hally.

 

I want to look at Pral's break down post again and add some of my own opinion because I like the thought there.

 

 

Me too.  I can't seem to figure out where the logic is off, though......but I'm trying to explain myself out of that POE.  I can't seem to figure it out.  I'd think I'm scum if I didn't know better, lol.

[Pralaya]

If I wasn't just labeled scum on that breakdown, I think I'd be cheering right now.

 

But what about that last push towards Thane was mostly scum because they weren't willing to move until they were sure they'd secure a mislynch? They already had a mislynch in Sili lined up, so moving away would occur at the last minute.

 

That means part of the scum team is on that Sili train and the rest is in the Arsis/BFKey/Rags group.

 

 

I think you are partly correct, but you missed the whole "Verbal is town" thing.

If you are town, the only option that I see is berf is scum. Which would mean dice is. Making the scum team

Berf, Dice, 2 of Arsis/Rags/BFKey

 

There is one other option but I think it is unlikely.

 

All 3 of Arsis/BFKey/Rags and one of Des/Lates/Cuddles

[Verbal32]

 

If I wasn't just labeled scum on that breakdown, I think I'd be cheering right now.

 

But what about that last push towards Thane was mostly scum because they weren't willing to move until they were sure they'd secure a mislynch? They already had a mislynch in Sili lined up, so moving away would occur at the last minute.

 

That means part of the scum team is on that Sili train and the rest is in the Arsis/BFKey/Rags group.

 

 

I think you are partly correct, but you missed the whole "Verbal is town" thing.

If you are town, the only option that I see is berf is scum. Which would mean dice is. Making the scum team

Berf, Dice, 2 of Arsis/Rags/BFKey

 

There is one other option but I think it is unlikely.

 

All 3 of Arsis/BFKey/Rags and one of Des/Lates/Cuddles

 

 

Why not Hallia, though?  Wouldn't she and I replace in/out for each other here?

[Verbal32]

 

If I wasn't just labeled scum on that breakdown, I think I'd be cheering right now.

 

But what about that last push towards Thane was mostly scum because they weren't willing to move until they were sure they'd secure a mislynch? They already had a mislynch in Sili lined up, so moving away would occur at the last minute.

 

That means part of the scum team is on that Sili train and the rest is in the Arsis/BFKey/Rags group.

 

 

I think you are partly correct, but you missed the whole "Verbal is town" thing.

If you are town, the only option that I see is berf is scum. Which would mean dice is. Making the scum team

Berf, Dice, 2 of Arsis/Rags/BFKey

 

There is one other option but I think it is unlikely.

 

All 3 of Arsis/BFKey/Rags and one of Des/Lates/Cuddles

 

 

Agree that last one is unlikely - but the one above means I'm totally wrong on Hallia being scum and Sili2.0 being town.  It would make me right on Dice, though, which is a minor consolation to be colossally wrong on Hallia.

 

I don't know if my self esteem is prepared to take that kind of jolt.

[Pralaya]

My problem with hallia is that with arsis/bfkey being scum, if hallia is also scum, that might make the town way under powered. Of course, we have not had all the claims but just guessing what we are missing.

[Verbal32]

But I'm saying BFKey is town here.  So that means Arsis & Hallia are lying, and BFKey/yourself are the town PRs.

 

 

See, this is why I say we need a scum flip to figure things out.  I'm going in circles.

[Arsis]

But I'm saying BFKey is town here. So that means Arsis & Hallia are lying, and BFKey/yourself are the town PRs.

 

 

See, this is why I say we need a scum flip to figure things out. I'm going in circles.

On purpose to confuse the thread

[dicetosser1]

im getting real tired of people positing im scum because of someone else.

 

noones come out and said i think dice is scum because of this this and this.

 

stop linking me with people and using that to make accusations against me. either give me reasons   real reasons  why you think i might be scum. You will be wrong but i cant respond to this crap people are using now

 

 

 

vent over