Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Nolder]

So I've been rereading the first couple of pages. And I'm getting a really eerie feeling from Sili.

 

 

 

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

 

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

 

so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

 

Advocates he and dice should get less attention today. 

 

 

 

 

mafia will prefer not to pick Thane or me, because there is a chance we die early and there are no replacements. 

 

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

 

 

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

 

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

 

 

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

 

Again saying that this notion helps narrow down the field. 

 

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

 

 

 

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

You have 3 pages to work with. What are your thoughts?

 

 

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

13 of 40 posts are mine, so by no means is my content the only substantial kind. Though, to each their own pace I guess.

 

What do you mean when you say 'votes aren't serious'? I think those made are obviously fluff, so I don't understand why you bring it up.

 

Yes, I am anxious to figure the game out. What I was looking for from you was a deeper understanding to show you're committed to the hunt. Telling me I seem to be looking for bad guys when a quarter of the thread is me doesn't actually help.

 

The comments made, while few, are mostly very dense. I think one could make reads from them if they wanted to.

 

Why are we treating everybody as scum, and not villagers, when villagers are 10/13 of the thread?

 

 

Again... lecturing Thane about something he hasn't done himself up until that point.

 

 

 

 

I don't know. There's a distinction between firing up a discussion about this to kick start the game..... than what I feel he was actually doing. He was fully advocating this tactic, not just discussing it. He might have tried to backtrack somewhat from it later on, but it doesn't change what he actually said. Which was leaving him be for now to fry the bigger fish. I also find it a bit odd that he's referring to himself as a weak player.

 

 

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work. 

 

Does this sound like someone who considers himself a weak player? Cause he sounds pretty confident in his capabilities. Just as much as he has in previous games.

 

While Sili is scummy in either alignment, I'm getting the feeling that the way he went about this "discussion" is iffy. So I'm going with my gut.

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

Ok I'm up and catching up.

 

This was a really good D1 case actually.

I'll be interested to see Sili's response.

[Kaylee]

I'd be willing to vote for Dice for being active yet not saying much. Less sure of Nol for his unclear reads list and since disappearing, willing to vote here as well. Still unsure on Lee and Verb, being a strong town read of mine, not trusting her makes me willing to vote here.

[Kaylee]

For now going to eat lunch.

[Nolder]

 

So I've been rereading the first couple of pages. And I'm getting a really eerie feeling from Sili.

 

 

 

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

 

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

 

so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

 

Advocates he and dice should get less attention today. 

 

 

 

 

mafia will prefer not to pick Thane or me, because there is a chance we die early and there are no replacements. 

 

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

 

 

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

 

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

 

 

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

 

Again saying that this notion helps narrow down the field. 

 

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

 

 

 

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

You have 3 pages to work with. What are your thoughts?

 

 

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

13 of 40 posts are mine, so by no means is my content the only substantial kind. Though, to each their own pace I guess.

 

What do you mean when you say 'votes aren't serious'? I think those made are obviously fluff, so I don't understand why you bring it up.

 

Yes, I am anxious to figure the game out. What I was looking for from you was a deeper understanding to show you're committed to the hunt. Telling me I seem to be looking for bad guys when a quarter of the thread is me doesn't actually help.

 

The comments made, while few, are mostly very dense. I think one could make reads from them if they wanted to.

 

Why are we treating everybody as scum, and not villagers, when villagers are 10/13 of the thread?

 

 

Again... lecturing Thane about something he hasn't done himself up until that point.

 

 

 

 

I don't know. There's a distinction between firing up a discussion about this to kick start the game..... than what I feel he was actually doing. He was fully advocating this tactic, not just discussing it. He might have tried to backtrack somewhat from it later on, but it doesn't change what he actually said. Which was leaving him be for now to fry the bigger fish. I also find it a bit odd that he's referring to himself as a weak player.

 

 

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work. 

 

Does this sound like someone who considers himself a weak player? Cause he sounds pretty confident in his capabilities. Just as much as he has in previous games.

 

While Sili is scummy in either alignment, I'm getting the feeling that the way he went about this "discussion" is iffy. So I'm going with my gut.

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

 

What do you want from me?

 

To explain something that isn't a contradiction or a slip? Well I'm weak at seeming town, so therefore a weak player. That makes sense, yes...

 

 

 

 

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

I used might as in hypothetically I might have if I had. Where's the slip that villagers don't make???

 

 

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

You're the person I feel least confident about reading, hence...

 

 

 

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

You picked me after I was being town read. After the game had started, and you could get replacements. This is so unequivocal your comparison is completely fallacious.

 

I would love being left out of the poe. What person wouldn't?

 

I also truly can't picture anyone, who knows my meta, recruiting me. I don't say this to get town cred or whatever, that was never the point, I just say this to be honest. I can't picture it.

 

 

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

Thane is a good example of an easy mislynch. As I think I am, so he fit better than dice who has a very strict range from what I hear. Dice seems like weak scum. But he isn't weak town since everyone here (almost everyone anyway) knows his range by experience or heresay.

 

 

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

I ask for some sort  of summary of his take-away from the content up until that point. This isn't bullying. Nor is the bolded line you quote afterward. It's me telling him I find it disconcerting and I would like more content from him. It's innocuous. I actually say, to each their own pace.

 

Not that it matters, but I'm not a hypocrite. Itt I town read kaylee and make a case for it. And I liked Aj and nolder but there was no pressure on them and I was going to wait for more content before giving a read.

 

 

 

 

 

It seems like you're building a narrative, but a lot of that won't get you very good flips since you often miss the point of what I'm saying in your headlong tunnel.

 

Moving forward, what do you need from me, to read me right?

 

Sili the thing that bugs me is you're posting asking who the strong players are...and then you say things like Thane is an easy mislynch.

 

You can't have it both ways. Either you're familiar with the players here, in which case why are you asking, or you aren't in which case how can you say whether Thane is an easy lynch or not? You make these kind of contradictory posts often imo. I can't tell if you're really trying to gauge other people or if you're trying to lead them to the conclusion you want.

 

Either way, it doesn't look good just so you know.

[Sili Quirrels]

How does red's read list have anything to do with yours?

 

And how do meh feelings and popular discent equate to lynching someone?

 

Plus why would you say that and not vote her?

[Nolder]

Speaking aloud here, but maybe thane is one of those players who needs to keep notes and build his reads from the ground up. Last game he posted notes, maybe that's how he makes reads.

 

I can't really relate.

And now you back peddle and jump on the fence with Thane.

This is what I'm talking about. Why did you say he's an easy lynch and now you're backing off that?

I thought you were confident in your reads?

 

Honestly, I suspect this has nothing to do with alignment. I think this is just the way you are.

It's weird and frustrating. Reminds me of EP.

[Nolder]

shakes head.  Why am i not allowed to play around D1??  sheesh!

 

 

unvote

 

 

 

sili I dont do haughty  I do blunt. What I think I say.

 

 

Thats simply me pointing out you had a totally different take on it and one that I dont understand how you got there.

Don't like this post. The first sentence rings insincere to me.

 

Noting this so I can go back later and check who he unvoted and who pushed him into it.

[Leelou]

How does red's read list have anything to do with yours?

 

And how do meh feelings and popular discent equate to lynching someone?

 

Plus why would you say that and not vote her?

 

You were trying to say I was agreeing with Red after the fact, which no, I wasn't. I've been there with Kaylee. 

 

Because she's been back tracking and moving when she gets questions on any of her votes, no real conviction. 

 

I will vote when I'm ready to vote. 

[Sili Quirrels]

That ain't a contradiction. In the beginning I wanted to start a discussion and see what others thought. Later on I use examples that I think are realistically applicable, in my opinion, to argue a case.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Speaking aloud here, but maybe thane is one of those players who needs to keep notes and build his reads from the ground up. Last game he posted notes, maybe that's how he makes reads.

 

I can't really relate.

 

And now you back peddle and jump on the fence with Thane.

This is what I'm talking about. Why did you say he's an easy lynch and now you're backing off that?

I thought you were confident in your reads?

 

Honestly, I suspect this has nothing to do with alignment. I think this is just the way you are.

It's weird and frustrating. Reminds me of EP.

 

Speaking aloud here, but maybe thane is one of those players who needs to keep notes and build his reads from the ground up. Last game he posted notes, maybe that's how he makes reads.

 

I can't really relate.

 

And now you back peddle and jump on the fence with Thane.

This is what I'm talking about. Why did you say he's an easy lynch and now you're backing off that?

I thought you were confident in your reads?

 

Honestly, I suspect this has nothing to do with alignment. I think this is just the way you are.

It's weird and frustrating. Reminds me of EP.

Correction, I said he was an easy 'mislynch'. Get facts straight imo.

 

And I'm not backtracking there. I'm reconsidering and updating the thread with conjecture.

[Nolder]

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

So now you're familiar enough to say her reads are very "her".

This is what I'm talking about. You act like you don't know anyone and then you make statements like this.

[Andrej]

on a more serious note: 

 

Red: the fact that there's only 20 posts between a first and second list of suspects, i find that a very short time to change your mind or get better reads on people. It makes me suspicious, very suspicious. I think that one of those was just posted to put something out there.Your recent posts aren't too bad, but i'm going with my gut feeling that you're not trying to escape. 

 

AJ: i don't know why, but yeah, there's something off this game. usually, we get to the point where we're happy town together, but i don't see it happening just yet. I can't remember his posts. And i don't know why. I can not clear him as town. Not yet. Perhaps later. 

 

Leelou: imo, you can't from an opinion or a read on someone just from skimming the thread, which she appearantly did. Makes me wonder if she knows more or not. 

 

Kaylee: recent posts look better.... but i still have the impression she's more following than hunting. Which is an excellent thing, if you don't want to lynch fellow wolves.

 

My goal is to make this village a place we can all live in happily.

 

Cuz it feelz gud lol

 

 

[unvote]

 

I liked Hallia's content earlier and I'm glad she at least put some thoughts out there. Gonna expect you to keep up though, girl! Quiet Hallia makes me nervous.

 

I'm kind of interested in the Leelou/Red thing for now. @Nyn/Verb - Any impressions?

 

Both have pinged me - I think I pointed this out in the same post a few pages ago.  I'll add Kaylee into that - the 3 of them seems to be connected on how they seem townie or scummy......

 

Rule of 3, eh?

 

I see where you're coming from. I don't really agree with Red's arguments sometimes but they way she presents them doesn't seem like she's trying to spin things in a malicious manner. For Leelou I think I would need to see some flips and how she interacted with those dead players in hindsight to really make a solid call on it.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

 

So now you're familiar enough to say her reads are very "her".

This is what I'm talking about. You act like you don't know anyone and then you make statements like this.

I never act like I don't know anyone. I don't understand where you're coming from anymore.

 

First page I asked kaylee a couple questions to lead a dialogue, and then I gave my 2 strongest players, and one of them was Hallia.

[Andrej]

D1.8 Vote Count

 

Thane Vakarian (1): Nolder (#147)

Red2111 (1): Thane Vakarian (#259)

Nolder (3): Hallia (#195), The Crusher (#288), Nynaeve (#311)

Kaylee (1): Red2111 (#272)

dicetosser (1): Andrej (#346)

 

Unvote (4): dicetosser1 (#180), TinaHel (#279), Kaylee (#324), Leelou (#333)

 

Not Voting (2): Sili Quirrels, Verbal32

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

This should be accurate going from pg 16 to now.

[Red2111]

ISO's on my top vote list

 

Kaylee - nothings changed between then and now link

 

 

Leelou - her Nol stuff, and the interaction with Verb is the main reasons why she's pinging

 

 

 

 

first there is the Nolder thing.   she's posts that she likes Nols posts so far.  Nyn is the only one to question her on this, or even remark on her post at all, she then retracts with a "lawl i was skimming".

 

 

I like Nolder's posts so far.

 

 

I like Nolder's posts so far.

 

What exactly do you like about his posts? Can you be more specific? He has two. One of them has no actual content. The other one is the mass of quotes he was replying to.

 

IMO, It wasn't a bad post, really. He touched on some things AJ and I were saying. Though I'm not sure how I feel about him saying he might let flavor affect his decisions a bit... cause it's fun. He hasn't really struck me as a jokey yolo player from what I've seen of him. So seems a little out of place to me. Otherwise seems kinda nullish so I'm curious what gave you good feels about it.

 

 

Okay, I just skimmed. I'm wicked busy trying to get a deck together for work. I'm leaving here in about an hour and will have time to read on the train. When I get home, I'll be able to give in depth thoughts. 

 

 

she later claims "I didn't even see Nyn's post when I was posting this" (this referring to the "i skimmed" post quoted above.  yet the "i skimmed" post is posted directly after Nyn's post she's claiming not to have seen and the time stamps are far enough away that ninja-posting isn't really an option.

 

infact the post itself comes off as "out of left feild" to me unless its posting as a response to Nyn's questions and prod about "liking Nol's posts"

 

 

 

 

now, moving on from the Nol stuff, we have Leelou's "List"  pay attention and contrast who she's going to focus on in her ISO catch up list, and the findings she comes out with.

 

*snip*

 

I'm ISO'ing people as I'm in the middle of getting ready so I have some solid reads. Reads coming in a solid list in a few (3-4 depending on the train) hours. There are a few people I really want to focus on and dig through that have caught my attention on my initial read. (Dice, Crusher, AJ, Red, Thane)

 

Verb <3 - Verb's posts have been decent. I liked his exchange with Tina, but the Spidey could use some work. Hon, what do you think of Nolder? Also, don't ignore me. 

Sili  - Got people to start talking, but generally null with a sprinkling of both town and scum. I don't like the fact that he tried to say he wouldn't be picked and his reads list isn't very captivating. I find it easier to read Sili when he's starting to get pressure and see how he reacts. To answer your question - I was back at work after being off for a week and had a project dumped in my lap that was due by COB. 

Thane - Thane is Thane. Only really interacting with Sili. Need to see more here, actual commentary on the game. Null, Null, Null 

Hallia - Made a few posts, didn't really say a lot. Has Nyn and AJ as townies. Seems to feel strongly enough that Nol's comment was odd and voted him. The vote has a slight omgus feel to it, slight scum to null. 

Nol - Nothing wrong with his posts before 3:41 pm EST yesterday. I don't really agree with his reads on Hallia (she tends to disappear, no offence) and Crusher. Crusher isn't really adding anything of value to the game besides his lovable self. 

Tina - I don't really like how easily she's clearing Sili, but I do like that she is asking lots of questions and has a thread presence. She seems to be trying to figure out the game, but I will have to watch her posts going forward. For the moment, slight town lean. 

Crushlove - I know Boo Boo isn't here, I miss him dearly, but I'm need more from you. What are your thoughts on some of the players? You know a few of us enough. 

Nyn - Nyn's posts are solid, nothing seems out of place. I'll be looking as the game goes on to see if she is more guarded with her words, but she's in my town pile. Plus, busty. 

Kaylee - Answered Sili right off the bat. Seems to be coming up with town reads, but not really much for scum reads. Meh, I'll see how I feel after she catches up. 

AJ - Seems to be interacting well with who questions him, no squirming. 

dice - Not a lot to go on here, got defensive about saying he gave reads in his first post. His reads were meh, not really much of anything to them. Starting to focus on me, me, me and not picking up anything and running with it. Getting a slight scum feel. 

Red - going after people for the wrong things, really not liking the small things she is pushing over. Looks like she is trying to find anything to fling around and make stick. Null to scum lean. 

 

[v]Red[/v]

 

 

out of 5 people she was going to focus on, i'm the only one she really stands firm on.  the others she waffles with. 

 

she also takes a subtle shift in her stance on Nol, but not enough so to be called backtracking.

 

and the main point is she claims on me that "going after people for the wrong things" yet echos my thoughts on Sili & Tina.

 

 

 

last is her interaction with Verb, case and point, this post

 

 

 

You were ignoring me by not mentioning me anywhere. 

 

I'm not scum, nor am I FoSing you. 

 

What do you think of Nolder? You didn't answer the question. 

 

You had not yet participated in the game.  Same reason I didn't mention Hallia or Crusher.

 

I didn't say you were FoS'ing me - I said you're planting a seed for a future case.  You've done it before - and I have as well to you when I've been scum and you town.  Just sayin'.

 

Re: Nolder - I'm currently leaning town on him.  As scum I don't believe he would have mentioned the "lulz vote" - too risky to get attention.  That's a small detail, true, but he currently isn't on my list to keep an eye on.

 

 

Okay. What about his reads on Hallia and Crusher? 

 

Also, more Spidey please? 

 

 

the "More Spidey Please" is what makes my hair stand on end.  shes actively asking verb to switch from helping to scum hunt to spamming.  all in the middle of him doing a heavy pressure on her.

 

comes off as trying to get him to go "hey i dont trust you, perhaps your ...  ooohhhhh squirrel!!"

 

 

 

 

Dice - after ISO'ing him, i'm actually moving him tentatively to the bottom of the Yellow Zone, color wise he's Yellow/Orange.  i'm getting less of a "gambit" feel from his interaction between him and Sili and more ubber defensive townie.  but i still dont like that joke vote our of left field.

 

 

 

 

on page 9, a lot was going on.  iirc, Dice and Sili were going at it, many people were going at Sili, and i started the Thane Train.  out of no where, Dice went from "come at me bro" to "lawl joke vote" to "n/m not gonna joke vote" to "yeah you caught me *acts humble*"

 

observe

 

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

 

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

 

moving you to Null to Scum pile.   i posted that as a joke, as well as the other 2 people listed in that initial post.

 

you wagoning on that joke reason, and trying to use it as a legit vote while posting "Red said this" to get me as a shield to hide behind motive wise pings hardcore, especially given the amount of sheer info in the thread now.

 

shakes head.  Why am i not allowed to play around D1??  sheesh!

 

 

unvote

 

 

 

sili I dont do haughty  I do blunt. What I think I say.

 

 

Thats simply me pointing out you had a totally different take on it and one that I dont understand how you got there.

 

Dice is firmly in the scumlean pile for me. That vote and invite came off as a distraction attempt.

 

Red

 

Your absolutely right. I was a sucker and fell for something i shouldnt have, tho the thing about it rolling around in my head was true, and i was trying to laff it off. Obviously didnt work.

 

 

 

this entire interaction from him ...  its off.  its like watching a person with two personalities switch between personalities.

 

not only that, but he makes sure to point out my joke vote as his basis for this abrupt change.  in effect, using my joke post as a shield, or at least attempting to do so.

 

this move wasn't townie, accomplished nothing, was distracting and i can't think the motivation behind it was aimed at helping the town tbh

 

 

 

 

more to come on Thane and Sili

[Andrej]

Not a bad spread currently. Nolder wagon looks pretty clean in that I have the players on it as varying degree of town leans.

 

I'm interested to see where SQ and Verb end up, as well as those who are in the Unvote row considering the string of votes/unvotes leading up to this page.

 

Dice having his single vote being a late joke combined with his overall lack of direction in the game gives me some warm and fuzzies about lynching him.

[Nolder]

 

Ok I'm caught up. 

There's nothing to comment on really imo.

Everyone is still just going on about Sili's idea and what they think others would think and blah blah blah.

 

Moving past that, Tina kind of had a cold opening was hoping for a bit more from her.

Verbal is on top of his game today imo gonna keep eyes on him.

Andrej is moving back into my null pile. Sorry dude you just look like you're piggybacking off what other people are saying.

I'm worried about Hallia this is the type of behavior she has when scum imo. A hit and run.

Crusher and Red both had typical posts but glad to see they aren't MIA.

 

Hmm after thinking about it only two people I'm worried about right now are Thane and Dice.

Thane I just haven't seen anything notable from whatsoever and Dice got kind of defensive over the "strong/weak" thing.

Which to be fair could have been just a natural reaction to being called weak.

 

I'm going to vote Thane for now and see where that goes.

 

[v]Thane[/v] 

 

Not a fan of this post. First of all, I do think there were things to comment on by that stage. Which you kinda proved when you went ahead and talked about them.

 

You've noted impressions of Verbal and Tina. You expected more from her. Verb is at the top of his game but you're keeping an eye. What does this translate into? Are you leaning town on Verbal and scum on Tina? It's unclear. Then there's the comment about AJ going back to the null pile..... Who do you have in your null pile though? Scum pile? Town pile? I'd really like to see you making actual reads, because you seem to be dancing around it, Sure, you said you're mostly worried about Thane and dice. But then admittedly say that dice's reaction could be a natural reaction to being called a weak player. So which one is it? And you're worried about Thane cause he hasn't done anything notable? That's really vague. Not to mention that he's not the only one who hasn't done anything notable. Plus no offense to Thane.... but not doing anything notable at the beginning of a game is not really indicative IMO. 

 

 

 

It's possible. I'm kind of a nutcase and have awful memory. Can you quote me on that though or is this just something you think I've said?

 

Also, for the record, are you going to deny that hit and run is typical of your scum behavior?

 

 

Halli is a low post count player, regardless of alignment. She posts in sporadic spurts. And you know it. Don't really like this push. Also I felt pretty okay about her recent posts.

 

1. By comment on I meant quote and really dig into. These are more like...quick observations. Know what I mean?

 

2. It's unclear because I'm not taking a stance further than I already did. I don't like to give a lot of reads prior to D2.

 

3. I have binders full of piles. :P Seriously though if you're going to push me to give reads on everyone I'll do it but please note that it's subject to change wildly by tomorrow. A lot changes after the first flip.

 

4. There are other people I could have voted for not doing anything notable. I chose Thane. We need to pressure everyone a little bit. Had I joined another wagon we would have been pressuring one person a lot but letting Thane just skip free to D2. Now we see how he and others reacted to a vote on him. I'm ok with that. Also doing nothing notable is what I like to call active lurking. Being around but not saying a lot or giving a lot of opinions. He might as well not be here for all that he's told us. And you're grilling me for reads? lol

 

7. I wasn't talking about her postcount. Waaaay scummy to shift the conversation there. I said her scum MO is to do hit and runs. Also she only made like two new posts when you posted this lol.

[Nolder]

lol wtf? 7? where was my hand haha

[Nolder]

 

 

1. Verbal32: Comes in page 4, sorta nullifies the discussion of the previous 3 pages. Seems he thinks the discussion about the ongoing topic is irrelevant. Is it? Asks who didn't check in yet, but doesn't acknowledge the reply to it, nor mentions it again. post 80 for me feels like a soft defense of dice. Little FoS in post 90 directed at Tina. Convo between him and Crusher about BooBoo.. which is null to me. Ongoing, i find it odd that, even when he said 'start over' in his opening post, he's still going on about the first couple of pages.. Post 155, finally, SPIDEY! And, finally, a FoS at Kaylee after she reacted on Nyn's iso of Sili, followed by a suspicious look at Red.

 

So you know what I'm thinking? That I read this entire paragraph and I still have no idea what read you have on Verbal.

 

That's because he's summarizing not giving his opinions on Verbal.

It's typical scum behavior. IIRC Songstress used to be really good at it.

She'd make a wall of text and it would look like she's saying a lot but in reality it was just a smokescreen.

[Nolder]

Fwiw I think Thane is probably a townie and him being the leader wagon on D1 is pretty lame.

Based on...?

[Nolder]

 

 

Fwiw I think Thane is probably a townie and him being the leader wagon on D1 is pretty lame.

 

What specifically makes you think that?

 

LOL

 

Me and Nyn have been on the same page for most of this game.

[Nynaeve]

Keep reading   lmfao

[Nolder]

 

 

 

what does it mean that I have a "cold opening"? 

 

Like you didn't enter the thread with a lot of punch as compared to say Verbal. You seemed like you were poking around, kind of cautious.

 

 

Ehm... I don´t know how to respond to this. It´s very vague and feels off. 

I think this might be the language barrier coming into play.

 

Like Verbal came in with a lot of energy and his posts came off as someone diving headfirst into the game, your posts did not come off the same way to me. It was more like you were...well like I said being cautious.

 

Anyway don't worry about it. The game has moved so far past opening posts it's not even relevant anymore.

[Niniel]

 

 

Thoughts so far: 

 

1. Verbal32 - is interested in the game and isn´t just spamming. Town read.

2. Sili Quirrels - the way he has posted a lot, not been afraid of starting the game makes me think he is town.

3. Thane Vakarian - I agree with those of you that voted Thane. The problem is that I saw the same behaviour last game and then he was town. Definitely on the fence. 

4. Hallia - nothing to comment on. 

5. Nolder - the flavour thing that Nyn pointed out was strange and what does it mean that I have a "cold opening"? 

6. TinaHel

7. The Crusher - nothing to comment on.

8. Nynaeve - good posts so far. 

9. Leelou - waiting to hear more from her. Nyn pointed out that it was weird that she had a town feeling from Nolder when he hadn´t written much. 

10. Kaylee - town feeling because I can understand where she is coming from. 

11. Andrej - as you can see above, not a good feeling.

12. dicetosser1 - nothing so far.

13. Red2111 - I don´t agree with her read on Sili and I don´t know why she has Nolder as town. Why is that, Red? 

 

 

 

My last list. This is where I´m now.

 

Town

 

Verbal - like I said, went down to business right away and didn´t post a lot of fluff. Seems to take the game seriously. I like many of his posts.

Sili - I´ve already said why. Active, not afraid to stand out. Like I said in last game - this doesn´t mean that I will follow him.

Nyn - good posts. She is asking a lot of questions and pointing things out. 

 

Red - I generally have a problem with Red´s posting because she is writing a lot, she is agressive and often I can´t follow her thoughts (like with Sili).  I don´t agree with everything she says in this game (actually far from it) but I get a town feeling from her. She explains herself better and she is more focused when pointing things out. I like her thoughts on Dice. I didn´t understand her first post being a joke it´s not strange that others missed it. 

 

People that I don´t have an oppinion on/neutral read:

 

Hallia - haven´t posted much

Crusher - haven´t posted much. 

 

People that I´m not sure about: 

 

AJ - I like the posts that he has done today. I still have that gutfeeling that everything isn´t right but I´m not sure if I should listen to it or not. 

Kaylee - at first I liked her posts. Actually, I still like many of her posts. It´s just that she seems to go with the flow, both with voting and unvoting. Now, that is putting her in the spotlight so the question is if it wouldn´t have been easier for her to hold on to something and stayed there. Not sure.

Thane - I said it in another post - his list looks a lot like my own but he didn´t comment much on what he actually thought about everyone. At the same time this reminds me of several games where he has been town. Not sure. 

 

 

Possible mafia:

 

Dice - when I got his post explained to me I can see why Red suspected him. It was a strange joke vote when everyone was into the game already. He has few posts and he isn´t really scum hunting in any of them. This is what I associate with his mafia game.

Leelou - annoyed Leelou can be both town and mafia. Busy Leelou can be both town and mafia. Her list was neither good or bad. But what stood out to me was that she asked Verb to post more Spiderman pics. I know she has found Verb as mafia when he is hiding behind spam so this is a strange request. 

Nolder - I´m not sure if we are playing the same game. Now that he showed up he focused on Sili´s old posts from the beginning of day 1. There are so much more to comment on. I also don´t like the comment about me earlier. 

 

 

[v] Dice [/v]

[Niniel]

Okay, a lot of posting while I wrote that.