Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[dicetosser1]

sili if you think my response here and the way I went at you in the last game are even remotely similar then you and I were playing VERY different games. Last game I outright went for you, calling you mafia and stating why I thought that. So unless that line about you being in a tunnel equates to that you have got things twisted. But is it on purpose? Thats the question

[Kaylee]

Getting a town feel from a Tina with her last post. She's asking questions, making reads, and speaking her mind.

[dicetosser1]

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

[Verbal32]

After the initial buzz of Sili's opening, we've stalled a bit.

 

This might be a time for Spidey....

[Verbal32]

Thoughts so far: 

 

1. Verbal32 - is interested in the game and isn´t just spamming. Town read.

 

 

Give me time to change your mind.  ;-)

 

[Niniel]

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

 

I don´t understand any of this. 

 

 

Thoughts so far: 

 

1. Verbal32 - is interested in the game and isn´t just spamming. Town read.

 

 

Give me time to change your mind.  ;-)

 

 

 

[Nolder]

what does it mean that I have a "cold opening"? 

 

Like you didn't enter the thread with a lot of punch as compared to say Verbal. You seemed like you were poking around, kind of cautious.

[Thane Vakarian]

just a quick check in before i will try to get some sleep.

 

I have two votes... that's ok, probably merited. Though i have to say, i usually spam a lot D1 and really try to figure out what's happening after the first night.

 

Now that there's more to work with, i'll have a better look tomorrow morning and send out some reads after half a ton of coffee. I'm always surprised that people can nearly clear other players this early in the game....

 

 

 

Don't be too demanding for reads right now, i found out 2.5 hours ago that i will probably need to look for another job, and it's bugging me.

[Nynaeve]

So I've been rereading the first couple of pages. And I'm getting a really eerie feeling from Sili.

 

 

 

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

 

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

 

so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

 

Advocates he and dice should get less attention today. 

 

 

 

 

mafia will prefer not to pick Thane or me, because there is a chance we die early and there are no replacements. 

 

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

 

 

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

 

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

 

 

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

 

Again saying that this notion helps narrow down the field. 

 

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

 

 

 

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

You have 3 pages to work with. What are your thoughts?

 

 

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

13 of 40 posts are mine, so by no means is my content the only substantial kind. Though, to each their own pace I guess.

 

What do you mean when you say 'votes aren't serious'? I think those made are obviously fluff, so I don't understand why you bring it up.

 

Yes, I am anxious to figure the game out. What I was looking for from you was a deeper understanding to show you're committed to the hunt. Telling me I seem to be looking for bad guys when a quarter of the thread is me doesn't actually help.

 

The comments made, while few, are mostly very dense. I think one could make reads from them if they wanted to.

 

Why are we treating everybody as scum, and not villagers, when villagers are 10/13 of the thread?

 

 

Again... lecturing Thane about something he hasn't done himself up until that point.

 

 

 

 

I don't know. There's a distinction between firing up a discussion about this to kick start the game..... than what I feel he was actually doing. He was fully advocating this tactic, not just discussing it. He might have tried to backtrack somewhat from it later on, but it doesn't change what he actually said. Which was leaving him be for now to fry the bigger fish. I also find it a bit odd that he's referring to himself as a weak player.

 

 

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work. 

 

Does this sound like someone who considers himself a weak player? Cause he sounds pretty confident in his capabilities. Just as much as he has in previous games.

 

While Sili is scummy in either alignment, I'm getting the feeling that the way he went about this "discussion" is iffy. So I'm going with my gut.

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

[Nynaeve]

@Thane  I'm gonna be keeping an eye for your thoughts. Your posts thus far are no bueno.

[Cory Caboose]

I tamed the lion once; I stole his roar.

I stripped his pride away, but he found more.

So now he's back to take what's his,

And shove my future in my face;

Scare me back into my place.

 

I left my flaming sword beside your bed;

I woke to find it pressed against my neck.

You wept, "suggestion never works,

So now I'm trying something else";

I shut my eyes and go, "oh well".

 

 

 

D1.5 Vote Count

 

dicetosser1 (1): Hallia

Thane Vakarian (2): Red2111, Nolder

TinaHel (1): Andrej

Andrej (1): TinaHel

The Crusher (1): dicetosser1

Sili Quirrels (1): Nynaeve
Not Voting (6): Kaylee, Leelou, Sili Quirrels, Thane Vakarian, The Crusher, Verbal32

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

[The Crusher]

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

Pretty sure no ventrilliguist would want me sitting on his lap. 

[Nynaeve]

lmao

[The Crusher]

Still busy at the office.  I will get on lateer tonight or early a.m. Will re-read.    @ Andre..   Was just wondering what you meant by cagey referring to Silli.  Just odd choice of word. 

[The Crusher]

lmao

I could see the little birthday boy now.  "Mom I wanted a ventrilliguist!!!, not a fatguy and a pancake."

[Nynaeve]

 

lmao

I could see the little birthday boy now.  "Mom I wanted a ventrilliguist!!!, not a fatguy and a pancake."

 

 

Pretty sure the pancake would be gone by the time he manages to say that.

[Kaylee]

So I've been rereading the first couple of pages. And I'm getting a really eerie feeling from Sili.

 

 

 

 

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

Advocates he and dice should get less attention today.

 

 

 

mafia will prefer not to pick Thane or me, because there is a chance we die early and there are no replacements.

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

 

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

 

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

Again saying that this notion helps narrow down the field.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

 

 

 

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

You have 3 pages to work with. What are your thoughts?

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

13 of 40 posts are mine, so by no means is my content the only substantial kind. Though, to each their own pace I guess.

 

What do you mean when you say 'votes aren't serious'? I think those made are obviously fluff, so I don't understand why you bring it up.

 

Yes, I am anxious to figure the game out. What I was looking for from you was a deeper understanding to show you're committed to the hunt. Telling me I seem to be looking for bad guys when a quarter of the thread is me doesn't actually help.

 

The comments made, while few, are mostly very dense. I think one could make reads from them if they wanted to.

 

Why are we treating everybody as scum, and not villagers, when villagers are 10/13 of the thread?

Again... lecturing Thane about something he hasn't done himself up until that point.

 

 

 

 

I don't know. There's a distinction between firing up a discussion about this to kick start the game..... than what I feel he was actually doing. He was fully advocating this tactic, not just discussing it. He might have tried to backtrack somewhat from it later on, but it doesn't change what he actually said. Which was leaving him be for now to fry the bigger fish. I also find it a bit odd that he's referring to himself as a weak player.

 

 

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work.

Does this sound like someone who considers himself a weak player? Cause he sounds pretty confident in his capabilities. Just as much as he has in previous games.

 

While Sili is scummy in either alignment, I'm getting the feeling that the way he went about this "discussion" is iffy. So I'm going with my gut.

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

You may be onto something. I didn't notice before the contradiction. I'd like to add pressure here.

 

[v]Sili [/v]

[Red2111]

looking forward to more posts from you Thane, keeping my vote where it is.  sorry to hear about the RL crap though, good luck man *hugs*

 

@ Sili - still waiting on that post to me you promised man.  you can post that novella to other people but all i get is a "yeah i have a response to Red but its in limbo, lawl stupid tablet" isn't an excuse.  instead of posting the "had a post but its trapped in limbo on tablet" you could just retyped the post and posted it from you computer.

 

 

 

 

Thoughts so far: 

 

1. Verbal32 - is interested in the game and isn´t just spamming. Town read.

2. Sili Quirrels - the way he has posted a lot, not been afraid of starting the game makes me think he is town.

3. Thane Vakarian - I agree with those of you that voted Thane. The problem is that I saw the same behaviour last game and then he was town. Definitely on the fence. 

4. Hallia - nothing to comment on. 

5. Nolder - the flavour thing that Nyn pointed out was strange and what does it mean that I have a "cold opening"? 

6. TinaHel

7. The Crusher - nothing to comment on.

8. Nynaeve - good posts so far. 

9. Leelou - waiting to hear more from her. Nyn pointed out that it was weird that she had a town feeling from Nolder when he hadn´t written much. 

10. Kaylee - town feeling because I can understand where she is coming from. 

11. Andrej - as you can see above, not a good feeling.

12. dicetosser1 - nothing so far.

13. Red2111 - I don´t agree with her read on Sili and I don´t know why she has Nolder as town. Why is that, Red? 

 

 

i dislike your fence sitting on Thane backed by meta reasons.

 

i disagree with your assumption on Sili being town. Verb's points on what Sili used to get the game started are more valid.  theres also the apparent motive behind the topic he used to get the game started, which was aimed at Big Game Hunting and WIFOM surrounding who the scum might have recruited and why.  

 

and i stated why i have Nol as a town lean in my list.  its the same reason as Nyn and Verb being listed there.  his reaction to Sili rang legit

 

 

something red  i think it was said  about cory and the ventriliquist dummy keeps turning in my head. For that reason and tyhat reason only

 

 

vote crusher

 

moving you to Null to Scum pile.   i posted that as a joke, as well as the other 2 people listed in that initial post.

 

you wagoning on that joke reason, and trying to use it as a legit vote while posting "Red said this" to get me as a shield to hide behind motive wise pings hardcore, especially given the amount of sheer info in the thread now.

[Sili Quirrels]

I was actually busy... Red i dont consider gogetter derogatory. Its a compliment.

[Sili Quirrels]

looking forward to more posts from you Thane, keeping my vote where it is.  sorry to hear about the RL crap though, good luck man *hugs*

 

@ Sili - still waiting on that post to me you promised man.  you can post that novella to other people but all i get is a "yeah i have a response to Red but its in limbo, lawl stupid tablet" isn't an excuse.  instead of posting the "had a post but its trapped in limbo on tablet" you could just retyped the post and posted it from you computer.

 

I think you expect me to explain, so I will. When I typed up a response I was about to leave. My tablet was working through it's stuff, and I wanted to get done my mq before I had to go so I prioritized that over worrying about a relatively innocuous nudge.

 

Then of course I couldn't respond because I was doing other stuff.

 

 

Sili Quirrels - initally had townie points for an attempt at legit game start ...  but i really dislike what he was using to jump start the game and he's reacting very bad to pressure.  i also think Big Game Hunting is tactless.

What would be responding well to pressure? I've explained my logic, and without going on at length about a topic I feel would encumber the thread at this point I've tried my best to explain my point of view.

 

Some people believe the variance is too high, and I don't. I assumed most players here would pick the best players for the job. They wouldn't pick players who would drag them down. And maybe that was naive, but that was still my logic. It wasn't nefarious.

 

My aim aim was to nudge the thread, but also I believed it, so you know, w/e. I don't lie about this stuff which is why I take it personally when people call the aftermath -ev.

[Tommyrod]

D1.6 Vote Count

Thane (2): Red2111 (#129), Nolder (#147)
Sili (2): Nynaeve (#159), Kaylee (#167)
dicetosser1 (1): Hallia (#35)
Tina (1): Andrej (#138)
Andrej (1): TinaHel (#150)
Crusher (1): dicetosser1 (#153)

Not Voting (5): Leelou, Sili Quirrels, Thane Vakarian, The Crusher, Verbal32

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
 

[Tommyrod]

Please vote using the vote tags, I search for "Vote:" and I'll miss your vote if you don't use the tags.

[Sili Quirrels]

So I've been rereading the first couple of pages. And I'm getting a really eerie feeling from Sili.

 

 

 

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

 

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

 

so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

 

Advocates he and dice should get less attention today. 

 

 

 

 

mafia will prefer not to pick Thane or me, because there is a chance we die early and there are no replacements. 

 

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

 

 

 

Bolded for edification because I don't want to be represented as saying something I haven't. I never at all advocate giving anybody a pass. If dice comes in and lurks in a significant way, I'm all for lynching him. But conversely, since players here want (I emphasize want) to pick players like nyn, I'll be paying close attention to what they say because in that direction there is more scum more often to be found than in other directions.

 

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

 

 

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

 

Again saying that this notion helps narrow down the field. 

 

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

 

 

 

So, yeah, it's me. I'm here, and i'll add my little thought:

 

I feel that the first wolf picked one person they can easily distance themselves from, and one they hold a bit closer. Now, good players know how to mask that, so let's play and find out who are the wolves and get them *nod*

 

 

 

@mods: really like the opening posts, adds good plavor to the game

You have 3 pages to work with. What are your thoughts?

 

 

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it's two pages, and one is yours (in postcount)

 

votes aren't that serious, after all, the locations are merely flavor. You seem to be wanting to figure out who the bad guys are, but let's just play and find out, no? It's still early D1, and with the few comments made, it'd be hard to single out a few players.

 

Treat everybody as scum for now.

13 of 40 posts are mine, so by no means is my content the only substantial kind. Though, to each their own pace I guess.

 

What do you mean when you say 'votes aren't serious'? I think those made are obviously fluff, so I don't understand why you bring it up.

 

Yes, I am anxious to figure the game out. What I was looking for from you was a deeper understanding to show you're committed to the hunt. Telling me I seem to be looking for bad guys when a quarter of the thread is me doesn't actually help.

 

The comments made, while few, are mostly very dense. I think one could make reads from them if they wanted to.

 

Why are we treating everybody as scum, and not villagers, when villagers are 10/13 of the thread?

 

 

Again... lecturing Thane about something he hasn't done himself up until that point.

 

 

 

 

I don't know. There's a distinction between firing up a discussion about this to kick start the game..... than what I feel he was actually doing. He was fully advocating this tactic, not just discussing it. He might have tried to backtrack somewhat from it later on, but it doesn't change what he actually said. Which was leaving him be for now to fry the bigger fish. I also find it a bit odd that he's referring to himself as a weak player.

 

 

Well, for me, it's optimal because I'm confident in my ability to read individuals if I'm putting in the work. 

 

Does this sound like someone who considers himself a weak player? Cause he sounds pretty confident in his capabilities. Just as much as he has in previous games.

 

While Sili is scummy in either alignment, I'm getting the feeling that the way he went about this "discussion" is iffy. So I'm going with my gut.

 

 

[v]Sili[/v]

 

 

What do you want from me?

 

To explain something that isn't a contradiction or a slip? Well I'm weak at seeming town, so therefore a weak player. That makes sense, yes...

 

 

 

 

Slip? There's a clear distinction between discussing who you'd choose if...... this sentence is pretty awful.

 

I used might as in hypothetically I might have if I had. Where's the slip that villagers don't make???

 

 

This is like the third time Sili mentions me. Makes me think he either has a crush on me or I make him nervous. Maybe both.

You're the person I feel least confident about reading, hence...

 

 

 

Prolly the post of his I like least. First of all he was just picked to be recruited in the last game. Secondly.... he's spent up until now trying to advocate a tactic for PoE that involves leaving him be for the day and going after 'strong' players. And now he interjects how he can't picture being picked by anybody. Seems self conscious.

 

You picked me after I was being town read. After the game had started, and you could get replacements. This is so unequivocal your comparison is completely fallacious.

 

I would love being left out of the poe. What person wouldn't?

 

I also truly can't picture anyone, who knows my meta, recruiting me. I don't say this to get town cred or whatever, that was never the point, I just say this to be honest. I can't picture it.

 

 

Now suddenly it's him and Thane that would be a less desirable pick.

Thane is a good example of an easy mislynch. As I think I am, so he fit better than dice who has a very strict range from what I hear. Dice seems like weak scum. But he isn't weak town since everyone here (almost everyone anyway) knows his range by experience or heresay.

 

 

I don't care for this post much either. He's coming down on Thane for not having any thoughts after 3 pages of content... but what has Sili really done in the sense of reading people? nada. He spent the entire time with the picking discussion mambo jambo.

I ask for some sort  of summary of his take-away from the content up until that point. This isn't bullying. Nor is the bolded line you quote afterward. It's me telling him I find it disconcerting and I would like more content from him. It's innocuous. I actually say, to each their own pace.

 

Not that it matters, but I'm not a hypocrite. Itt I town read kaylee and make a case for it. And I liked Aj and nolder but there was no pressure on them and I was going to wait for more content before giving a read.

 

 

 

 

 

It seems like you're building a narrative, but a lot of that won't get you very good flips since you often miss the point of what I'm saying in your headlong tunnel.

 

Moving forward, what do you need from me, to read me right?

[Sili Quirrels]

where is leelou?

 

sili if you think my response here and the way I went at you in the last game are even remotely similar then you and I were playing VERY different games. Last game I outright went for you, calling you mafia and stating why I thought that. So unless that line about you being in a tunnel equates to that you have got things twisted. But is it on purpose? Thats the question

You're being very hauty. The same way you called me out on being unsportsmanlike.

 

I believe I say it's a continuation. I'm not refering to the tunnel or case building, but your attitude.

[Sili Quirrels]

Speaking aloud here, but maybe thane is one of those players who needs to keep notes and build his reads from the ground up. Last game he posted notes, maybe that's how he makes reads.

 

I can't really relate.