[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Clovdyx]

 

yaya continue with your benign threats. i'm not scared, just a little irritated you'd make them.

Assumptions!

 

You go on with your bad self, impatient pessimist!

 

 

 

 

yaya continue with your benign threats. i'm not scared, just a little irritated you'd make them.

 

This doesn't sound like a town response to me.  Shouldn't you WANT her to put stuff in the thread?

 

I'm also not sure where she said whatever she has is directed at you.  Why so guilty?

 

 

Sick semi-crosspost bro-dette.

[Sili Quirrels]

w/e

[Sili Quirrels]

 

yaya continue with your benign threats. i'm not scared, just a little irritated you'd make them.

 

This doesn't sound like a town response to me.  Shouldn't you WANT her to put stuff in the thread?

 

I'm also not sure where she said whatever she has is directed at you.  Why so guilty?

 

 

 

guilty? GUILTY? ***  *            ***************************** WANT WHY WOULD I WANT THIS, i can't town tell this mess. i don't even know what to make of it. it's -ev and meaningless slander, and I've suffered it 10 bloody pages and you don't want me to be tired of the threats. Should I be blind then? Should i ignore the obvious insinuations of posts like those?

 

should i say i look forward to what you have to say when all she says is nothing, again and again.

[Clovdyx]

 

should i say i look forward to what you have to say when all she says is nothing, again and again.

 

 

She said it's going to happen.  Given that deadline isn't for another two days, I don't think waiting a bit is going to kill you.  If she doesn't end up saying anything at all, you have nothing to worry about.  If she does bring a well-formed argument then it gives everybody a chance to see where her mindset is so we can all evaluate her, and possibly use her argument to shape our reads of you in one direction or the other.

 

You panicking and freaking out in every direction just gives her more to use, so if YOU are town, I think YOUR behavior is far more "-ev" than her's right now.

[Sili Quirrels]

waiting a bit does nothing. that is not why i'm irritated.

 

i want her to say something. say something or nothing. either.

 

freaking out is a scum tell? lolyou.

[BFG]

Ok, back again.

 

Given I wasn't finished with my response to Yates and it took me 40 minutes last time I'm not going to have time to respond the same way, but I'll see what I can do :)

[Niniel]

 

 

VC

 

Thane (1) - Clov

 

Sili (1) - Thane

 

Not voting: BFG, Cass, Tress, Yates, Sili

 

 

With 7 ponies alive it takes 4 to lynch. 

 

 

Deadline is Wednesday 9 PM CET. http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150114T21&p0=292&msg=Deadline+D2

 

 

Good night, ponies. Play nice while your mod is sleeping. :)

 

 

 

[BFG]

 

Yates - this should be preceeded with the fact that I almost always find Yates scummy...

 

 

 

 

However, there is some early stuff that pings - first his waiting on Tress/Thane, unless there's some out of game stuff I don't understand (sortalikea #ALLIANCELITE) which reads oddly given I'm pretty sure he's against the #ALLIANCE.

Um. What? I literally don't know what you are talking about.

 

Before I get caught up in the Cass/Yates Darthe/Kiv argument, can one (or better still both) confirm that although Darthe started it, town ran with it?

Confirmed.

 

Otherwise Yates statement about sitting in the mafia QT laughing about it is a lie (I couldn't find a link to the mafia QT to check for myself) and I wonder what the point of the argument was other than an exercise in futility.

Mafia QT link.

It wasn't a lie. It was just a misremember. If you look at /m21 in that QT, for example [ironically from Darthe], you see the general sentiment is what I was remembering. And /m99 is where he specifically mentions the tactic in thread. /m154, /m155, and /m156 are where we are chuckling about our schemes [in general] in a self deprecating manner.

 

What's funny is that game started in November and it feels like it was two years ago!

 

Anyway, the point was that paranoia can be [and really usually is] sewn by Town. Which is something I already clarified.

 

 

...what does being lynched as a possible GF have to do with anything.

There was no GF in that game and no reason to think there was a GF in the game. Yet, GF paranoia generated by a Townie led to a fairly obv Town [Me] being lynched for absolutely no reason other than POE based on bad logic. It's a cautionary tale.

 

Then there's the pocket discussion :/ I, again, don't understand the point that's being made. Can you share your definition of pocketing and white knighting? Why are you trying to coax Thane into town telling? If you don't know his alignment shouldn't you watch and see what he does naturally? As a side note from this; the 'tinfoil' debate that you weren't planning on bringing up - why not?

I'm not going to get into the pocket discussion with you. I was making a joke with Thane. I think that's pretty obvious. Not really sure of your point, anyway. Don't you think scum Yates is aware of terms used by scum? Here's a hint; I am. So unless you are calling that a "scum slip," this is a fruitless argument.

 

Don't worry about how I treat Thane. As far as I can tell I'm probably the best Thane reader on this site. I have reasons for wanting him to feel like this is a safe place. And those reasons are mine alone to have and to hold.

 

I really don't like Yates saying that he never called Sili mafia outside the reaction test :/ Yates has been reticent about reads this game and I don't know why.

You don't understand how I scum hunt. That's okay. But don't say I have been "reticent" with reads. That's plainly false. Cripes, you've even quoted me with one of your reads [on Thane].

 

But beyond this, assuming that from reaction test he means the Cass/Sili link which if I recall he thought Cass's reaction was ok and less happy with Sili's. But if he thought Sili was town then what was the whole linking me and Sili thing about?

You're right. That would have been confusing if I had thought Sili was Town. But I thought Sili was null. Because it was in the first couple of pages of the game and I didn't have a read on ANYONE. *shrug*

 

I think it's pretty ridiculous for you to insinuate that I had a Town read on someone just because I said I didn't have a scum read on that person. There's a reason for null piles and sliding scale reads. This isn't new information. And I think this addresses your next several paragraphs as well.

 

The fact that as of halfway through Day 1 I was nullish I think on his list and that the only thing he seems to be accounting for is a 'possible' link with Sili, who he's 'not even calling mafia', at this stage is really troubling, I'd already generated more stuff, been more involved/present in this game than I've managed in quite a long time, and in recent games he's been able to read me, or tried to with far less - even when he's been wrong, he's had an opinion so this lack of opinion is worrying.

Were any of these in 8 person games where a mislynch on D1 could lead to MYLO on Day 2? This was before we started talking about no lynch, fwiw. And I still think that was probably the right call. JMM probably would have been our lynch based on where everyone was at EOD if we did a last minute CW.

 

READS DISCUSSION SNIPPED

Again, you not knowing how I scum hunt isn't a new thing. I'm not going to waste my time explaining my green reads because they are green. If one of them is ever in danger of being lynched? I might go to bat.

 

I agree that Thane lacking volume isn't null but look at the context. I had just written a post to Thane asking him to explain why he wasn't around. He could have fallen in to a 50 BBL fermenting tank during a beer tour at a monastery for all I knew. That would be a good [the best?] excuse for low content. This is actually a pretty good argument for why you should be reading me Town, tbh. Scum Yates could have probably rolled with a Thane wagon without raising a lick of suspicion. Also, ftr, lack of activity isn't the be all and end all scum tell for Thane. I don't think anybody has one of those. He has certainly "gone missing" as Town before.

 

In response to Sili says he hasn't built a case on anyone - again this is not the Town Yates I know :/

LOL - show me. You've seen me build a case as SCUM on Day 1 before. I'm sure of that...

 

I also don't like that he got the numbers wrong about there being a vig in an 8 person game losing the game N1 if they hit town and lynch town Day 1.

Don't be pedantic. Mislynch, vig kill, scum kill - Town wakes up D2 to a 3-2 game with likely at least 1 dead PR. All scum need in that scenario is ONE Townie to vote for a mislynch, they pile on and win. IE. Game over.

 

I'll put it to you this way; I'm as sure of there not being a vig in this game as I am that there's more than 1 scum.

 

Over all I'm not liking Yates play so far, but I honestly don't know how much of what I don't like falls under my apparantly unconditional Yates paranoia and Clov, who reads him better is town reading him seemingly fairly comfortably, so I'm a bit stuck here as I'm not sure why - he says Yates is willing to work with Clov, but didn't he brush off Sili earlier for the same question (I need to ISO)?

 

There actually seems to almost be 'too much' for this to be mafia Yates

You are certainly stuck. I mean, you can't get me mislynched. But if you try to NK me will this come back on you? Exciting stuff!

 

Last time I split the quote up and responded prettily, I don't have time to do that again and still catch up.

 

Grouping the Thane stuff together: there are some people that I'm aware of that have a 'couple' thing going on, I wasn't previously aware that you and Thane were one of them. So the first comment was a surprise, the second about pocketing was out of the 'joking' phase, bit I wouldn't have glanced twice if it wasn't firvthe white knight follow up. Based on Thanes earlier post about RL, I'll drop this and take you at face value about wanting Thane to have a fun game. And no I don't think you'd 'slip' about that, would you do it on purpose and laugh behind our backs? Different question altogether and possibly.

 

I agree with your Thane thought process and think the same. I'm aware that volume isn't his only tell, and it isn't reliable all the time, thanks for the protip thanks for clarifying.

 

I'm curious as to what the purpose of the 'don't worry about how I deal with Thane' though. Of course I'm going to 'worry' about how you 'deal with' Thane, I don't know either of your alignments.

 

Not building a case/questioning suspects is new to you as either alignment, but that's no reason for me to assume this is town you /shrug although now I'm paranoid enough to want to check your previous games to see how much of the Town Yates that was doing well is from Day 1 I won't have time to do that today.

 

Thanks for the DT link, i's dotted etc.

 

Reads stuff grouped... as of the EOD1, this is what you'd shared. You looked at Cass and Sili, thought Cass reacted well, thought Sili didn't. Thought both Sili and I had TMI on the other but didn't want to discuss my part in that, yet weren't reading Sili as mafia. Clov is town for his approach, which you still haven't shown, are town reading Tress for reasons? I'm not trying to read them through you, I'm trying to read you by understanding what you're thinking. Keeping your reads to yourself doesn't give me much to work with to tell your alignment.

 

If you prefer though I'll correct myself to saying that you haven't explained many of your reads,

 

better? /sarcasm

 

 

 

From what I've read so far today, you've been more outgoing, that doesn't change your contributions Day 1. I'll get to that when I get there.

 

Incidentally why ask Tress about her read on me? It's her read that's not how town works as a group and you know this, so presumably you're looking for a reaction /shrug

 

Numbers - do you really not see a difference between LOSING the game and lylo? In my experience town does better at lylo than mylo. I don't see this as pedantic. I've seen town lynch 3 mafia in a row at mylo, I guess we should have just given up?

 

And I have no intention of mislynching you, lynching you if you're mafia is fine with me though.

 

But yes I think you 'responded' to everything though, so thanks?

[BFG]

 

This to you? Why say that you didn't want to talk about the 'tinfoil' thing that Clov brought up

What? Quote or something?

 

  

 

For Thane

 

 

 

I don't really get this impression at all from their interactions.  There is something that stood out to me, but I'm hoping you can give an example or explain what you mean before I show it.

As I told Sili, it's mostly tone. Let me see if I can pull up a quote or two that really emphasizes what I mean...

 

Okay, here's I think the exchange that felt too familiar to me:

 

Lol, misunderstood what you said, I agree with the general meta on Thane. I disagree with 'the wolf' though, it reads as a continuation of 'teh mafia' started by Tress and thus a deliberate use of words and not an unconscious use.

ah i see. i'm still leaning town on him but i'm a little more scared now. i'll be watching him carefully.

Sure. MAYBE Sili is just "working together," as he says. But something about that doesn't feel natural if Sili is assuming BFG is scum.

 

But the other thing that bothers me is the same thing I just busted Sili for:

Sili, given 2 mafia who are you most likely to tinfoil on at the moment?

Here, BFG is assuming Sili is Town. That's why I said earlier that it felt like at least one of them knew the other's alignment. And it's not like BFG really went after Sili. That whole page reads like a limp distancing argument. And that's in my minus column for BFG. This isn't really something I was prepared to talk about but it seems as though the cat's out of the bag so let's make it public and discuss...

 

 

[BFG]

 

Ok thanks :)

 

I also asked again about your early reads.

 

You said you forgot Jmm and were still deciding on Yates, but then why didn't you say that Yates was null, or leave me off the list?

You I was specifically looking for because I have a paranoia about you . I was still thinking about Yates, still interacting with him, and not ready to form a snap gut read yet.

 

Fair enough, not sure why you're paranoid, I don't think I've ever been mafia in a game with you besides my mafia game is absolute rubbish

[BFG]

Anyway, I'm going back to where I was, the thread doesn't make much sense read out of order

[BFG]

 

Honestly not great :/ but last game we were in I read him like this (inconsistency, seemingly random reads that change quickly and rapidly) and he flipped town. When he subbed in he was far less engaged objectively speaking. He didn't engage at all in the Wind in the Door game, although I think that would probably be a low point in his career.

 

This game he's engaged in a way I haven't seen him replicate as mafia yet. Additionally some of your points read differently to me as for once I was able to have in thread interaction.

 

Thanks for explaining. I went back and re-read trying to take some of this on board. Quoting here now as a reminder in case he does flip scum and it turns out that you're 'wrong' ;)

 

To be honest, I'm worried that I'm wrong and that I'll be left with nothing but flipping a coin to determine alignment

[BFG]

 

*** End of pre-prepped posts/Back to real-time ***

 

Gah. Posts #532 and #533 - the formatting at the bottom's askew, no idea why. Can everyone still read them??

 

 

Well enough. It happens, unfortunately.

 

 

 

Hi all *catching up*

 

At a glance some interesting points and things to consider since EoD... Will re-read properly and get to my thoughts on some of that in a sec, but first, the specifics that stood out for me in my 'maybe/what if it isn't Sili' re-read

Disclaimer: These were pre-prepped

. I'll leave out the stuff I had down to ask jmm, for obvious reasons   .

 

Yey! There's our Cass!

 

*peers around for BFG*

 

 

 

Hey! *tentative smile*

 

 

*patpat* Is OK.  I understand you're wary of being buddied.

 

I've been anxious to see your latest thoughts.  BFG's the only one left to weigh in after start of day, and I'll be even happier to see her, if that makes you feel better.

 

Sounds exciting, here!

[BFG]

 

 

 

clov: i agree with this post of yours. That's the reason i let jmm breathe. Tress is right too. I wouldn't be THAT stupid to openly say i thought someone had a PR and then NK them. The only effect i'd hope to achieve is that the possible PR would be protected, in case another player would have missed it. 

 

Sili: I'm having a hard time making sense of you right now.... really...

 

I'm glad you agree, but I don't buy the "I wouldn't do this...." argument.  It's nothing personal (I don't think you're stupid), but after the moves I've seen people make as scum, I don't accept there's anything people wouldn't do.

 

I'm also hesitant to believe that you were pushing his hint out there so that others would see it if they originally missed it.  Given that you just said you thought other players would notice it if you did as well.

 

Agreed upon. Some people do very crazy stuff as wolves. I did say that i thought other people would notice as well. I stated it again in a hope that there'd be a doc and that jmm would be protected (or self protect) N1. 

 

 

ignore Thane, really?

 

Yates: i thought Sili a possible wolf candidate early D1. His tone and general posting improved, that's why he went down my list of suspects. Right now, he's absolutely everywhere. He's not making sense at all to me. Usually, i can get where he comes from, but here.... nope. I think he's a good one for today

 

Sili... it's the way i read you. You started off quite... well, wolfy... D1. Later, you made more sense, got your thoughts together and posts were well done imo. You seem rather jittery and all over the place right now.

 

I asked earlier, not sure if you missed it, but I'd still like some examples of what swayed you to read him as scum and what made you feel better about him when you get a chance please. :)

 

Here's where Sili started to feel bad: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/92184-basic-be-nice-mafia/?p=3400738 this post feels overexplaining things. And, a sentence like " Just because I didn't say something doesn't mean I'm not thinking it.".... this is an information game. Thoughts need to be put out. Not doing so isn't helpful. Then, the first line here doesn't look that good imo. Could and should have been formulated diffirently. 

 

 

FTR: if Sili should turn wolf, i think BFG would be a possible teammate, looking at this post

 

Sili, for me, started looking better after this post. He becomes clearer in his wat to express himself, explains his thoughts better. 

 

 

Interesting.  I don't know that I've seen BFG as scum so I'm not sure of her tendency to bus, but I actually thought that her being Mafia would clear Sili.  That seemed like a very subtle nudge of getting votes on him and was one of the early strikes I had against her.  Given how many of us had early suspicions of Sili, I thought that might have been a very sly way of Mafia!BFG forcing the mislynch.  Basically "guilting" us into voting Sili.

 

Nope, I'm not that subtle as mafia, or don't feel like I am. If it was a larger game then i'd wonder if it's mafia nudging a townie but unwilling to jumps on, or trying to keep pressure off a teammate, pretty much what you were wondering about me

[BFG]

so lemme see if i remember.

 

bfg: intermittent activity. some sketchiness. don't really count the 'against' a mislynch against her.

tress: leaves my case, comes back to it. passive-aggressive sort of nudges and refuses to actually build a case on me that i could refute or help with.

clov: fence-sits a lot and isn't always clear about what he's thinking. but on the other hand he approaches enough angles and notices enough details to seem town.

yates: a lot of reaction tests, and i guess i'm kind of associating reaction tests with town yates.

thane: the reason isn't compelling for me. if i town read him again it'll be from tone/content.

That's quite depressing actually and inaccurate. I have posted every weekday evening and most weekday mornings. The only time I 'missed' was Sunday evening, because I was rereading Day 1. It is physically impossible for me to be more active in a game since I cannot post from work, this is the same as EVERY game in the past 9 months or more, yet it's still 'sketchy'.

 

I don't actually understand what you mean by bolded.

[BFG]

Sorry, something went wrong with some of the quotes, hopefully it's obvious when it's me

[Clovdyx]

The one where you quoted me is pretty obvious to me.  First "nonquote" was what I said, second part was you.  

[Clovdyx]

BFG, I didn't see a reply to my explanation for reading Yates.  Did that help at all?

[Sili Quirrels]

checking in.

 

i wanted to say sorry for what i said while i had the chance. this pony is very sad and may have overreacted a little.

 

then blown up at the wrong person.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

so lemme see if i remember. bfg: intermittent activity. some sketchiness. don't really count the 'against' a mislynch against her.tress: leaves my case, comes back to it. passive-aggressive sort of nudges and refuses to actually build a case on me that i could refute or help with.clov: fence-sits a lot and isn't always clear about what he's thinking. but on the other hand he approaches enough angles and notices enough details to seem town.yates: a lot of reaction tests, and i guess i'm kind of associating reaction tests with town yates.thane: the reason isn't compelling for me. if i town read him again it'll be from tone/content.

That's quite depressing actually and inaccurate. I have posted every weekday evening and most weekday mornings. The only time I 'missed' was Sunday evening, because I was rereading Day 1. It is physically impossible for me to be more active in a game since I cannot post from work, this is the same as EVERY game in the past 9 months or more, yet it's still 'sketchy'.I don't actually understand what you mean by bolded.

there was some talk about how people didn't like the way you were against a no lynch. (not mislynch!*)

 

my bad.

[Cass]

 

 

clov, i'm missing something from you.

 

what is your read on me?

 

You're in my mafia pool right now.  Throwing names out there earlier in response to...Tress?...when she asked who would be the one mafia and then trying to go back and say they weren't your reads doesn't make any sense to me.  You seem to be all over the place and the number of things I can't follow your thought process is considerably lower than the number of things I can.

 

 

 

I'm fighting off a cold and drained after 6+ hours of NFL Playoffs and chores. So I'm too lazy to do my typical Yates quote then respond thing...

Feel better!!

 

@Tress - Two questions for you, my lovely: 1. Would you mind explaining to me your read on BFG? I think you have more experience with her than I do and I'd like to know what you are seeing. And 2. Would you mind explaining your Thane read a little more as well? I'm a little confused as I read through your progression on him because sometimes it looks to me like you think he's scum but then you also say he is likely being "set up."

A'ight, I'll do the best I can for now.

 

1) Regarding BFG, I think she's responded well to the pressure you and Clov have put on her, and answered the questions that were raised sufficiently.  I didn't necessarily like parts of her argument against no lynch, but otherwise her end of day engagement was good and it felt like she was trying to resolve question marks.  I really want to hear more from her now that D2 has started, but I am not willing to lynch her today barring a really convincing case or a cop guilty.

 

2) Regarding Thane, he's always a big question mark for me.  I expect he'll come back in and explain his low participation, but that's really a null.  The main reason I think he's a somewhat poor suspect is that I don't believe he'd be clumsy enough to pointedly comment on jmm's PR hint, then nightkill him.  Not to say it's impossible, but it seems like a really amateur move, and as hard a time as I have discerning his alignment most games, I have a lot of respect for his instincts.    He's still in my questionable list, and we definitely need more from him today - hopefully all is well with him and his family, and we'll hear from him within a few hours

 

 

Is BFG your top town read now then?  I seem to recall you feeling pretty good about Cass earlier, so I'm trying to straighten your order out in my head.

 

 

@Sili - Serious question; why did you say this: "don't know why the wolves thought jmm would be a power role?" You are a clever pony and I'd like some help understanding your motivation here.

 

 

Easy villa points. Plus I had to distance myself from the kill due to a couple things I said and the way things went down at eod.

 

 

I don't understand how you think you saying that would earn you "easy villa points".  But this post just sounds awful.   People trying to distance themselves from kills is usually a bad sign...

 

 

The bold doesn't seem to fit with the tone of the rest of your post. Do you really mean to say you understand more of what Sili says than what you don't, or was this an 'unfortunate' typo?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

How do you figure?  His read on Jmm at least seems pretty solid.  

 

what i remember is thane cleared jmm because of a claimed power role at eod in an 8 player roster, when previously he thought jmm was scum.

 

what did i miss?

 

 

 

Nothing.  I just don't see why trusting somebody hinting PR wouldn't seem reasonable.  I would assume that somebody claiming/hinting in a game this small is far more likely to be town than mafia.

 

 

Really? This isn't me being suspicious about you (yet), I'm just curious to see the way you think. I would assume that in a game so small, where the existence of PRs hasn't been confirmed or denied, there would be too much risk involved in claiming/hinting at a PR as Town unless you were sure you were on your very immediate way out? Theoretically, the amount of wriggle room granted in this instance to both alignments would be the same, but the risk to Town would probably be higher. Because of that risk I would think Town may be less likely to claim, which in my mind makes it more likely that such claims would come from scum than Town, if that makes sense. What would mafia have to lose?

 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

cass im town. is there anyway to get you on my side while you're keeping an open mind?

[Sili Quirrels]

what are you looking for?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

clov, i'm missing something from you.

 

what is your read on me?

 

You're in my mafia pool right now.  Throwing names out there earlier in response to...Tress?...when she asked who would be the one mafia and then trying to go back and say they weren't your reads doesn't make any sense to me.  You seem to be all over the place and the number of things I can't follow your thought process is considerably lower than the number of things I can.

 

 

 

I'm fighting off a cold and drained after 6+ hours of NFL Playoffs and chores. So I'm too lazy to do my typical Yates quote then respond thing...

Feel better!!

 

@Tress - Two questions for you, my lovely: 1. Would you mind explaining to me your read on BFG? I think you have more experience with her than I do and I'd like to know what you are seeing. And 2. Would you mind explaining your Thane read a little more as well? I'm a little confused as I read through your progression on him because sometimes it looks to me like you think he's scum but then you also say he is likely being "set up."

A'ight, I'll do the best I can for now.

 

1) Regarding BFG, I think she's responded well to the pressure you and Clov have put on her, and answered the questions that were raised sufficiently.  I didn't necessarily like parts of her argument against no lynch, but otherwise her end of day engagement was good and it felt like she was trying to resolve question marks.  I really want to hear more from her now that D2 has started, but I am not willing to lynch her today barring a really convincing case or a cop guilty.

 

2) Regarding Thane, he's always a big question mark for me.  I expect he'll come back in and explain his low participation, but that's really a null.  The main reason I think he's a somewhat poor suspect is that I don't believe he'd be clumsy enough to pointedly comment on jmm's PR hint, then nightkill him.  Not to say it's impossible, but it seems like a really amateur move, and as hard a time as I have discerning his alignment most games, I have a lot of respect for his instincts.    He's still in my questionable list, and we definitely need more from him today - hopefully all is well with him and his family, and we'll hear from him within a few hours

 

 

Is BFG your top town read now then?  I seem to recall you feeling pretty good about Cass earlier, so I'm trying to straighten your order out in my head.

 

 

@Sili - Serious question; why did you say this: "don't know why the wolves thought jmm would be a power role?" You are a clever pony and I'd like some help understanding your motivation here.

 

 

Easy villa points. Plus I had to distance myself from the kill due to a couple things I said and the way things went down at eod.

 

 

I don't understand how you think you saying that would earn you "easy villa points".  But this post just sounds awful.   People trying to distance themselves from kills is usually a bad sign...

 

 

The bold doesn't seem to fit with the tone of the rest of your post. Do you really mean to say you understand more of what Sili says than what you don't, or was this an 'unfortunate' typo?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

How do you figure?  His read on Jmm at least seems pretty solid.  

 

what i remember is thane cleared jmm because of a claimed power role at eod in an 8 player roster, when previously he thought jmm was scum.

 

what did i miss?

 

 

 

Nothing.  I just don't see why trusting somebody hinting PR wouldn't seem reasonable.  I would assume that somebody claiming/hinting in a game this small is far more likely to be town than mafia.

 

 

Really? This isn't me being suspicious about you (yet), I'm just curious to see the way you think. I would assume that in a game so small, where the existence of PRs hasn't been confirmed or denied, there would be too much risk involved in claiming/hinting at a PR as Town unless you were sure you were on your very immediate way out? Theoretically, the amount of wriggle room granted in this instance to both alignments would be the same, but the risk to Town would probably be higher. Because of that risk I would think Town may be less likely to claim, which in my mind makes it more likely that such claims would come from scum than Town, if that makes sense. What would mafia have to lose?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

clov, i'm missing something from you.

 

what is your read on me?

 

You're in my mafia pool right now.  Throwing names out there earlier in response to...Tress?...when she asked who would be the one mafia and then trying to go back and say they weren't your reads doesn't make any sense to me.  You seem to be all over the place and the number of things I can't follow your thought process is considerably lower than the number of things I can.

 

 

 

I'm fighting off a cold and drained after 6+ hours of NFL Playoffs and chores. So I'm too lazy to do my typical Yates quote then respond thing...

Feel better!!

 

@Tress - Two questions for you, my lovely: 1. Would you mind explaining to me your read on BFG? I think you have more experience with her than I do and I'd like to know what you are seeing. And 2. Would you mind explaining your Thane read a little more as well? I'm a little confused as I read through your progression on him because sometimes it looks to me like you think he's scum but then you also say he is likely being "set up."

A'ight, I'll do the best I can for now.

 

1) Regarding BFG, I think she's responded well to the pressure you and Clov have put on her, and answered the questions that were raised sufficiently.  I didn't necessarily like parts of her argument against no lynch, but otherwise her end of day engagement was good and it felt like she was trying to resolve question marks.  I really want to hear more from her now that D2 has started, but I am not willing to lynch her today barring a really convincing case or a cop guilty.

 

2) Regarding Thane, he's always a big question mark for me.  I expect he'll come back in and explain his low participation, but that's really a null.  The main reason I think he's a somewhat poor suspect is that I don't believe he'd be clumsy enough to pointedly comment on jmm's PR hint, then nightkill him.  Not to say it's impossible, but it seems like a really amateur move, and as hard a time as I have discerning his alignment most games, I have a lot of respect for his instincts.    He's still in my questionable list, and we definitely need more from him today - hopefully all is well with him and his family, and we'll hear from him within a few hours

 

 

Is BFG your top town read now then?  I seem to recall you feeling pretty good about Cass earlier, so I'm trying to straighten your order out in my head.

 

 

@Sili - Serious question; why did you say this: "don't know why the wolves thought jmm would be a power role?" You are a clever pony and I'd like some help understanding your motivation here.

 

 

Easy villa points. Plus I had to distance myself from the kill due to a couple things I said and the way things went down at eod.

 

 

I don't understand how you think you saying that would earn you "easy villa points".  But this post just sounds awful.   People trying to distance themselves from kills is usually a bad sign...

 

 

The bold doesn't seem to fit with the tone of the rest of your post. Do you really mean to say you understand more of what Sili says than what you don't, or was this an 'unfortunate' typo?

 

 

Bold is a reverse of what I was getting at.  It should have said higher.

 

 

 

Really? This isn't me being suspicious about you (yet), I'm just curious to see the way you think. I would assume that in a game so small, where the existence of PRs hasn't been confirmed or denied, there would be too much risk involved in claiming/hinting at a PR as Town unless you were sure you were on your very immediate way out? Theoretically, the amount of wriggle room granted in this instance to both alignments would be the same, but the risk to Town would probably be higher. Because of that risk I would think Town may be less likely to claim, which in my mind makes it more likely that such claims would come from scum than Town, if that makes sense. What would mafia have to lose?

 

First, I'm pretty sure the existence of PRs has been confirmed.  No, I won't say more than that.

 

Second, not just actual PR's hint/claim - vanillas have incentive to suggest they have abilities as well.  Especially early on.   And I think mafia has FAR more to lose - if they hint and stick around, they're going to eventually have to commit to a claim (allowing for the possibility of CC's) and provide results (opening up the chance of being caught in a lie).  Unless they were given safe claims, there's no advantage to doing it.

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what roles are typical of basic games at dm?