[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Cass]

Ok back with a bit of time to post and have a fair bit to catch up on by the looks. 

 

Today is hectic and right now I probably only have half an hour or so while the pony-lette sleeps and I likely won't have much time after that (Friday here, 2 doctors appts this afternoon and then we have the all important 'First-BBQ-with-Hubby's-new-workmates' - I won't have a chance to post whilst there and at this point I'm pretty sure I'm going to be too tired to stay up much when we get back). I will try and cover as much as I can in the time that I have, but I doubt that it will be up to the standards of last night. My plan is to start with the general stuff and then move on to any If I leave out/miss something that seems odd or important please let me know and I'll try to address it as soon as I can. 

 

First/general impressions of stuff since my last post last night

 

Sili - answers the specific questions I asked again last night, and is contributing/'explaining' himself more despite the 'frustration' last night (Thanks Sili :) ). This is maybe something, but... it took a lot of pressure for him to do it and I whilst I appreciate the answers I still have concerns about some of the specific things he says. Will try to get to these as the priority as soon as I have time. Tbh, I am finding it concerning/getting paranoid about the fact that nobody else is voting him at this point (why aren't people voting if they think he is scummy? Are they scummy too? IS he actually scummy or am I completely wrong? *insert crazy paranoia tinfoil here*).  I have been left out on a limb being the only one pushing/voting someone I clearly thought was scum before, and they got killed overnight only to flip Town. I still felt their play was scummy, and if the same happens here I think I'll still feel like Sili's the most likely scum, but it caused all sorts of trouble and genuinely wasn't a nice feeling and I'm beginning to get nervous about it possibly happening again. I also voted Sili in his last mislynch and that falls into the same boat. 

 

Clov - answers most things I asked and keeps 'pushing' Sili, also 'skipped' directly answering some points/concerns I thought I'd made pretty clear. There seem to be less possible insinuations/caveats on his recent 'Town' reads of me so I don't feel like he is trying to set me up as much now, which is something I guess, but tbh I'm still not entirely gut-happy. On the interactions with Sili (especially 'pushing' and 'saying' he feels worse about him but essentially changing nothing) and some of the 'answers' he gave me. Not sure whether this is because of the fact he's one of the more unfamiliar players to me in this game or because he's actually scummy.

 

Yates - answers me, gives actual links and explanations, still comes off as buddying. Not sure this is good/bad/alignment indicative at all, but I'm not convinced that he can't be scum, and I particularly don't like his response to the Scum/Town confusion thing relating to the last game. Yes, that well-played-Scum-barb was/is a bit of a sore spot for me. I'll get over it, but for now I'm watching you all! :P

 

Jmm - still a very wary, very null read for me. Do not understand the 'logic' behind Sili's pushes of him. Agree with the general consensus that his question about the number of wolves was null/not particularly wolfy. 

 

BFG - starts getting more active and asks some interesting/poignant questions, several of which seem to be following my own trains of thought. Wary, but null-to-tentatively-Town for now.

 

Thane - agree with his reads on Sili, Clov and jmm and his tone is coming across OK enough that this feels like a good thing, but I have to admit he is striking me as somewhat different to last game and that 'guarded' is not how I would usually describe him either. I had difficulties reading him last game too though so *shrugs*, watching him for now.

 

Tress - seems quiet after her happily feisty start. I have her wary null-to-Town based on POE, but tbh she scares me and I don't want to go anywhere near her until she posts more action lol.

 

 

 

That's the basics as far as I'm reading them to this point. Have to leave for appts now, will keep trying to read on phone where I can this arv/tonight, specifics with quotes and stuff to come asap. Gl! 

[Yates]

yates, where do i treat bfg like she's lock town?

All of page 7, basically. It sounds like you know her alignment or she knows yours. Just the way you are approaching her questions. I don't know. I'll go into more detail tomorrow. I'm spent.

[Yates]

Initial (obviously weak) leans:

 

BFG: Town

Sili: Town

Thane: ?Town

Clov: ?Town

Tress: ?Mafia

Yates: ?Mafia

Cass: Mafia

I feel like this is a mostly contrarian list. It will be interesting to see some supporting information.

[Sili Quirrels]

I don't see it.

[Songstress]

Stomach bug appears to be going around at the office - I spent all day at work trying not to toss my cookies. 

 

Going to bed early, in hopes that I can haul my behind out of bed early and post some coherent thoughts here.  Apologies for those who were waiting with bated breath for me to say something scintillating (I know you were, you can't fool me).

[Sili Quirrels]

yates and jmm.

[BFG]

 

I don't associate town Thane with 'guarded' play or words...

Welp. That's the one tell I was hinting at in my Thane post.

 

What do you make of the fact that Sili is talking to you as if he knows you are Town given your [and his] statement here???

 

 

<<<deleted>>>

 

His latest post:

 

 

 

Truth. I am very much taking that mindset, especially with Sili, since I tunneled him for a while last game

like, he knows i'm town, otherwise the matter of tunneling me when I'm scum wouldn't be significant to him. Why not tunnel me again, right?

 

Good point, and quoted again so he doesn't miss it.

 

 

I find it quite curious that Sili only has one vote given that so many people are finding him scummy, but I don't know what to make of it given the size of the game, I think I'll need to sleep on it.

Curious? Couple of thoughts here:

1. Just because Sili is holding a fork, it doesn't mean he stole the cake.

2. It's WAY early in the game.

3. Curse of the small game. I think people tend to be more cautious with votes in small games.

 

Now I have a Sili-BFG relationship to resolve...

 

Lol, it's actually his least reliable tell (but sorry), according to Tommy Thane was able to fake looseness and tone for a game (of course Tommy was possibly mafia in the game he said that - soon after SpaceBalls), so not sure how reliable an indication this actually is) there are other tells. He's sort of borderline for me so far.

 

Because Sili had a good point. Which Jmm still hasn't answered. Jmm tunnelled Silo (his words) in a game where Sili was mafia, why would he worry about that?

 

I find Sili very hard to read, and I typically read him scummy, this game his early involvement is in line with his town game, however he makes so many 'weird' statements and his opinion changes with the wind (if it wasn't the wrong author 'words are wind' would describe him well :) but that describes both mafia and town game) that it's hard to have faith n the read.

 

 

You played with Jmm last game? What's your opinion of him this game? Same to Tress who nodded that game and anyone else who played it.

[BFG]

And I can't check Thane's game for myself :/

[BFG]

I need to get ready for work, but I'll be back this evening. Have a good day/sleep depending on where you all are

[Sili Quirrels]

Town:

 

me - double-checked my pm. it's confirmed.

 

Clov - demonstrates consistent wherewithal and attention to detail. He's proactive, and shows a healthy level of paranoia for someone of his personality type (far as I can figure).

 

Cass - emulates strong town tinfoily behavior to a tee.

 

Bfg - consistent skepticism, above board enthusiasm, depth of insight. if she continues in a believable way i'll continue to think she's town until my poe get's the better of me.

 

Thane - i reread his posts and definitely get a town vibe, but it's hard to put a finger on why. i guess maybe he's not pushing the angles that would be +ev for scum, his tone is impulsive, and he's a little scatter-brained.

 

Tress - I remember a little of her meta and recall in a cursory way her tone and the types of points she brought up last game. My gut isn't finding any inconsistency to latch onto so I'm putting her here.

 

 

Poe

 

sili - 100% (cannot express this enough)

cass - 90%

thane - 88%

clov - 88%

bfg - 80%

tress - 80%

 

Colored List

 

Sili

Cass

Thane

Clov

Bfg

Tress

Yates

Jmm

 

Ways to parse the group: Cass, Thane, and Clov I consider loose character reads. Yates - I expect impact from his town game, but he never builds a case I think. e.g. He hasn't contributed to my wagon but does nudge it along by insinuating scum/scum partners for me. I regard his content as lacking overall. Take for instance his tinfoil above? Last page I declared bfg a scum lean in one of my  opening posts and he never comments on it.

 

Jmm is ... so apathetic... that I can't even express how... i kind of hope i'm wrong actually, or maybe someone could correct me if i am. Jmm isn't paranoid, scatter-brained, or skeptical, nor is he enthusiastic, run&gun, or tunneling anyone. He is completely apathetic and hasn't offered the thread an iota of actual game content to demonstrate he's read it in any detail. The small points, his posture-driven opening and weird apathy towards my gameplay is just icing on the cake at this point - the problem has become more fundamental: all but two players in this roster are actively hunting for scum and he isn't one of them.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

but that describes both mafia and town game) that it's hard to have faith n the read.

 

it's my day 1 behavior, and happens when I don't have enough information to work with.

[BFG]

Yates, why are you linking everyone to Sili?

[BFG]

Stomach bug appears to be going around at the office - I spent all day at work trying not to toss my cookies. 

 

Going to bed early, in hopes that I can haul my behind out of bed early and post some coherent thoughts here.  Apologies for those who were waiting with bated breath for me to say something scintillating (I know you were, you can't fool me).

Feel better!

 

Also I'm waiting (although technically not with baited breath)

[Thane Vakarian]

have to catch up from page 5, will be done soon i hope. Work was madness, otherwise i'd have been in earlier.

[Thane Vakarian]

so, reading things, and here's my little whatnot:

 

I see people being concerned about me stating that i stated that i always think about what i type. It's true. I try not to get mislynched so i can actively find the wolves and win with town. I know that, during previous games, my gameplay was so scummy that it led to me being killed quite often. So, that's why i tend to pay more attention to what i actually type. Misinterpretation can get you killed, yo. 

 

@BFG: the interaction between SIli and Clov was going, imo, a bit back and forth, both of them explaining (a bit too much to my liking) in their posts. Pretty sure one of them (perhaps both) is a wolf.

 

And, thanks for calling me scatter-brained... you're probably right

 

And BFG (and other players), i'm actually a bit sad that they locked the Spaceballs game for visitors. It's the best game i had as mafia. 

 

From what i read, Sili and jmm feel most wolfy, clov went on the probably-town pile. Unsure about BFG, but i always have a hard time reading her. Tress, get well soon!

[Thane Vakarian]

And, i'm in the timezone-all-alone-in-mafia thingy... *sad Thane*

 

*ponders moving to the US to play mafia realtime*

[jmm]

 

 

I don't associate town Thane with 'guarded' play or words...

Welp. That's the one tell I was hinting at in my Thane post.

 

What do you make of the fact that Sili is talking to you as if he knows you are Town given your [and his] statement here???

 

 

<<<deleted>>>

 

His latest post:

 

 

Truth. I am very much taking that mindset, especially with Sili, since I tunneled him for a while last game

like, he knows i'm town, otherwise the matter of tunneling me when I'm scum wouldn't be significant to him. Why not tunnel me again, right?

 

Good point, and quoted again so he doesn't miss it.

 

 

I find it quite curious that Sili only has one vote given that so many people are finding him scummy, but I don't know what to make of it given the size of the game, I think I'll need to sleep on it.

Curious? Couple of thoughts here:

1. Just because Sili is holding a fork, it doesn't mean he stole the cake.

2. It's WAY early in the game.

3. Curse of the small game. I think people tend to be more cautious with votes in small games.

 

Now I have a Sili-BFG relationship to resolve...

 

Lol, it's actually his least reliable tell (but sorry), according to Tommy Thane was able to fake looseness and tone for a game (of course Tommy was possibly mafia in the game he said that - soon after SpaceBalls), so not sure how reliable an indication this actually is) there are other tells. He's sort of borderline for me so far.

 

Because Sili had a good point. Which Jmm still hasn't answered. Jmm tunnelled Silo (his words) in a game where Sili was mafia, why would he worry about that?

 

I find Sili very hard to read, and I typically read him scummy, this game his early involvement is in line with his town game, however he makes so many 'weird' statements and his opinion changes with the wind (if it wasn't the wrong author 'words are wind' would describe him well :) but that describes both mafia and town game) that it's hard to have faith n the read.

 

 

You played with Jmm last game? What's your opinion of him this game? Same to Tress who nodded that game and anyone else who played it.

 

Because I believe he's town this game.  He's doing a really nice job differentiating his playstyle from last game, and the vibe I'm getting is good. 

[Niniel]

 

 

VC

 

Sili (1) - Cass

 

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. 

It´s Day 1. Day ends Saturday 9 PM CET. (GMT + 1) 

 

 

Sorry, this is a nice game, and that post could be misconstrued as being not nice - I meant to say having 3 mafia out of 8 players would be silly, not that you are being silly.  You are being sili. 

 

 

[Yates]

Last page I declared bfg a scum lean in one of my opening posts and he never comments on it.

I actually did - indirectly. You claim she's a scum lean but you treat her as Town. Do you not recall this discussion?

 

For example; reconcile this series of posts for me:

 

BFG enters the game with a reads summary:

So I'll start with the easy stuff, Cass's paranoia seems newish town to me.

 

Clov's early involvement in the game is also townish from him, although it's been a while since I've seen him as mafia.

Presumably to BFG:

Good start. I concur.

Randomly:

Scum: Bfg, jmm, clov

 

[Yates]

You played with Jmm last game? What's your opinion of him this game?

I'll let you know when I have one. I think he's going to be a hard read. Last game I thought he was scummy because he was "completely apathetic" and didn't "offer the thread an iota of actual game content to demonstrate he's read it in any detail." Plus, throughout the entire game he was never really "actively hunting for scum."

 

Yates, why are you linking everyone to Sili?

EVERYONE??? No, not everyone. I linked you to Sili and Cass to Sili. That's not everyone, that's two people. And I linked you because you were linked. I have a read on Cass that is separate from Sili so she has been successfully decoupled. The interaction between you two is my new shiny object, as per above.

[Niniel]

VC

 

Sili (1) - Cass

 

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. 

It´s Day 1. Day ends Saturday 9 PM CET. (GMT + 1)  That is 27 hours and 5 minutes from now. 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Last page I declared bfg a scum lean in one of my opening posts and he never comments on it.

I actually did - indirectly. You claim she's a scum lean but you treat her as Town. Do you not recall this discussion?

 

For example; reconcile this series of posts for me:

 

BFG enters the game with a reads summary:

So I'll start with the easy stuff, Cass's paranoia seems newish town to me.

 

Clov's early involvement in the game is also townish from him, although it's been a while since I've seen him as mafia.

Presumably to BFG:

Good start. I concur.

Randomly:

Scum: Bfg, jmm, clov

 

You didn't, as far as I can tell, imply anything like that.

 

This is your page 8 content:

 

 

 

 

 

 

yates, where do i treat bfg like she's lock town?

All of page 7, basically. It sounds like you know her alignment or she knows yours. Just the way you are approaching her questions. I don't know. I'll go into more detail tomorrow. I'm spent.

 

 

I don't associate town Thane with 'guarded' play or words...

Welp. That's the one tell I was hinting at in my Thane post.

 

What do you make of the fact that Sili is talking to you as if he knows you are Town given your [and his] statement here???

 

 

<<<deleted>>>

 

His latest post:

 

 

Truth. I am very much taking that mindset, especially with Sili, since I tunneled him for a while last game

like, he knows i'm town, otherwise the matter of tunneling me when I'm scum wouldn't be significant to him. Why not tunnel me again, right?

 

Good point, and quoted again so he doesn't miss it.

 

 

I find it quite curious that Sili only has one vote given that so many people are finding him scummy, but I don't know what to make of it given the size of the game, I think I'll need to sleep on it.

Curious? Couple of thoughts here:

1. Just because Sili is holding a fork, it doesn't mean he stole the cake.

2. It's WAY early in the game.

3. Curse of the small game. I think people tend to be more cautious with votes in small games.

 

Now I have a Sili-BFG relationship to resolve...

 

 

Initial (obviously weak) leans:

 

BFG: Town

Sili: Town

Thane: ?Town

Clov: ?Town

Tress: ?Mafia

Yates: ?Mafia

Cass: Mafia

I feel like this is a mostly contrarian list. It will be interesting to see some supporting information.

 

 

 

So tell me where I go wrong.

 

You eschew,

I'm waiting for my scum list to town tell, then I'll start over by adjusting my expectations and rereading.

 

From your quoted excerpts, coded blue. I had bfg as scum by poe. It was not a strong stance and I was looking for reasons to change my mind. I imply this by the quote you left out and my inclusion of clov as a scum lean.

 

The blue also has no real relevance to your initial position.

 

You promised you would go into detail how I treat Bfg as town. The most I think you can say is we cooperate to meet an ends, and that's pretty much all I got from reading thrice. You'll have to help me.

 

EVERYONE??? No, not everyone. I linked you to Sili and Cass to Sili.

 

And clov to sili.

 

I think you're missing the point. The point is linking players to me is a good part of your content, and so I ask, how is insinuating scum partners without case building early day 1 without a single flip conducive to hunting scum?

 

It's pure tinfoil right?

 

Like, say I flip Scum, what are you going to do - lynch bfg because we worked together for a page? From a villager's point of view (e.g. mine) it seems frivolous and maybe destructive depending on the roster's gullibility, because I could very well be in anti-spew and as a matter of fact, scum treating a player like town usually means that player is town.

 

Like jmm has been doing for me.

 

And you say I've been doing for bfg.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

I don't associate town Thane with 'guarded' play or words...

Welp. That's the one tell I was hinting at in my Thane post.

 

What do you make of the fact that Sili is talking to you as if he knows you are Town given your [and his] statement here???

 

 

<<<deleted>>>

 

His latest post:

 

 

Truth. I am very much taking that mindset, especially with Sili, since I tunneled him for a while last game

like, he knows i'm town, otherwise the matter of tunneling me when I'm scum wouldn't be significant to him. Why not tunnel me again, right?

 

Good point, and quoted again so he doesn't miss it.

 

 

I find it quite curious that Sili only has one vote given that so many people are finding him scummy, but I don't know what to make of it given the size of the game, I think I'll need to sleep on it.

Curious? Couple of thoughts here:

1. Just because Sili is holding a fork, it doesn't mean he stole the cake.

2. It's WAY early in the game.

3. Curse of the small game. I think people tend to be more cautious with votes in small games.

 

Now I have a Sili-BFG relationship to resolve...

 

Lol, it's actually his least reliable tell (but sorry), according to Tommy Thane was able to fake looseness and tone for a game (of course Tommy was possibly mafia in the game he said that - soon after SpaceBalls), so not sure how reliable an indication this actually is) there are other tells. He's sort of borderline for me so far.

 

Because Sili had a good point. Which Jmm still hasn't answered. Jmm tunnelled Silo (his words) in a game where Sili was mafia, why would he worry about that?

 

I find Sili very hard to read, and I typically read him scummy, this game his early involvement is in line with his town game, however he makes so many 'weird' statements and his opinion changes with the wind (if it wasn't the wrong author 'words are wind' would describe him well :) but that describes both mafia and town game) that it's hard to have faith n the read.

 

 

You played with Jmm last game? What's your opinion of him this game? Same to Tress who nodded that game and anyone else who played it.

 

Because I believe he's town this game.  He's doing a really nice job differentiating his playstyle from last game, and the vibe I'm getting is good. 

 

you could have said that a lot earlier and a tenth as awkwardly.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'll let you know when I have one. I think he's going to be a hard read. Last game I thought he was scummy because he was "completely apathetic" and didn't "offer the thread an iota of actual game content to demonstrate he's read it in any detail." Plus, throughout the entire game he was never really "actively hunting for scum."

 

Jmm Iso so people can see for themselves. More voices in the wolfden would be nice.

 

As far as I can recall, he is a behind the scenes player (someone who makes up their mind without communicating it in lists), or at least he was when he was when an innocent child (didn't need to explain himself), but jmm was engaged in the game at least. He didn't elaborate all at once, in one big post about all the players in sequence, but there was good content there like spiced apples.

 

Red: harder than me?

[Clovdyx]

 

yates, where do i treat bfg like she's lock town?

All of page 7, basically. It sounds like you know her alignment or she knows yours. Just the way you are approaching her questions. I don't know. I'll go into more detail tomorrow. I'm spent.

 

 

I don't really get this impression at all from their interactions.  There is something that stood out to me, but I'm hoping you can give an example or explain what you mean before I show it.