[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Songstress]

Good evening :)

 

Greetings!

[Sili Quirrels]

Also... "It's not a theory."

 

So you brought it up out of the blue but don't actually think it's true?  Just trying to make sure I'm understanding you here.

excuse me, i brought up the possibility it was implied. without knowing who, what, or why it's best not to make dangerous assumptions like that.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

So you're basing your read heavily on what Yates thinks?  What if Yates is mafia, would that change your opinion of Thane's play?

 

it's not a read. =|

[Songstress]

 

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

So you're basing your read heavily on what Yates thinks?  What if Yates is mafia, would that change your opinion of Thane's play?

 

it's not a read. =|

 

 

I will never understand how your brain works.

 

[Songstress]

 

Sili - Did you ever answer my question about why you changed your stance on Tress?

uh, no. i need to educate myself before i feel comfortable saying more.

 

 

Clov, you're not going to let him drop this are you?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

So you're basing your read heavily on what Yates thinks?  What if Yates is mafia, would that change your opinion of Thane's play?

 

it's not a read. =|

 

 

How is it not a read?  Are you not insinuating Thane and Tress are the most likely to be scum in post 444?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

How do you figure?  His read on Jmm at least seems pretty solid.  

 

what i remember is thane cleared jmm because of a claimed power role at eod in an 8 player roster, when previously he thought jmm was scum.

 

what did i miss?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

How do you figure?  His read on Jmm at least seems pretty solid.  

 

what i remember is thane cleared jmm because of a claimed power role at eod in an 8 player roster, when previously he thought jmm was scum.

 

what did i miss?

 

 

Nothing.  I just don't see why trusting somebody hinting PR wouldn't seem reasonable.  I would assume that somebody claiming/hinting in a game this small is far more likely to be town than mafia.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Sili - Did you ever answer my question about why you changed your stance on Tress?

uh, no. i need to educate myself before i feel comfortable saying more.

 

 

Clov, you're not going to let him drop this are you?

 

 

We'll see where it goes.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

So you're basing your read heavily on what Yates thinks?  What if Yates is mafia, would that change your opinion of Thane's play?

 

it's not a read. =|

 

 

How is it not a read?  Are you not insinuating Thane and Tress are the most likely to be scum in post 444?

 

I do when pressed to give names. And maybe I'd shoot them over everyone else, but there isn't a case to be built for it.

 

Basically I have mixed feelings, and no strong opinions that would constitute a read. I think I've implied as much/made this pretty clear over the last day and a half.

[Clovdyx]

Mixed feelings are understandable, but I don't see how you can't have some sort of idea on which way you want to go (ie reads), unless you're not trying to figure people's alignments out.  Just offering up names when somebody asks doesn't get us anywhere and it makes YOU harder to read for the rest of us.

[Songstress]

Mixed feelings are understandable, but I don't see how you can't have some sort of idea on which way you want to go (ie reads), unless you're not trying to figure people's alignments out.  Just offering up names when somebody asks doesn't get us anywhere and it makes YOU harder to read for the rest of us.

 

^^  *nod*

 

The thing that's really bothering me right now is that he's refusing to be accountable for his reads - to the point of denying that they ARE reads.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

lack of volume. yates says that's a scum tell. plus some of his reads are a little hollow compared to what they purport, like the ones on me and jmm.

 

well i feel that way anyway.

 

How do you figure?  His read on Jmm at least seems pretty solid.  

 

what i remember is thane cleared jmm because of a claimed power role at eod in an 8 player roster, when previously he thought jmm was scum.

 

what did i miss?

 

 

Nothing.  I just don't see why trusting somebody hinting PR wouldn't seem reasonable.  I would assume that somebody claiming/hinting in a game this small is far more likely to be town than mafia.

 

thane believes the claim and it's the only reason he gives - bold is never hinted at.

 

so if you think thane's read is reasonable, why do you think he's scum?

[Clovdyx]

What do you mean the bold is never hinted at?  That's my personal opinion, and why I don't find Thane wrong for his stance on Jmm.

 

I think he's likely to be scum because I don't think he's likely to be town.  There are six unknowns with presumably two mafia.  Cass and Yates are strong town reads, so that leaves BFG, Thane, Tress, and you.  I feel the best about BFG based on how she was probing for opinions and handled things addressed to her, so I'm willing to give her a pass for now.

 

I have a lot less to work with on Thane, so might as well start there and see where it goes.

[Sili Quirrels]

Okay, what are you two doing? I've been open this entire game with the most content of anyone on all my reads, and the moment I recede into myself to recalibrate you're on me like hounds sniffing blood?

 

That's pathetic.

 

Mixed feelings are understandable, but I don't see how you can't have some sort of idea on which way you want to go (ie reads), unless you're not trying to figure people's alignments out.  Just offering up names when somebody asks doesn't get us anywhere and it makes YOU harder to read for the rest of us.

What are you even saying? Of course I have an idea of who to start with, but suspicions do not equate to reads. the names i gave, all 4, were suspects: i.e. people I wanted to check out.

[Clovdyx]

I also can't shake the feeling that he's trying to lay the "Guys, I'm town" stuff on too thick.

 

in a game this small, i'm just deleting people off my scum list when i think they are town.

 

Thane: town, i know

Cass: playing like i've seen her do before, and inthat game, she was town. I doubt she would be a wolf here.

jmm: hinted at town PR, so i'm going to buy it for now.

Sili: looked bad at the beginning, but he improved his game the past 24 hours.

Tress: feels more townie than wolfie to me, though i'd wish her stomach bug would go away so she'd be in here more.

BFG: plays well, is present a lot, reacts to posts. For me, that feels like town BFG

 

that leaves 2: Yates and Clov.

 

 

*wonders what will have happened this night*

 

I doubt i'll be on shortly after DL, more likely to be here tomorrow morning local time (around 5:30 am CET)

 

 

or, i might not need to bother anymore, we'll see

 

I won't pretend that I'm the Thane-Whisperer or anything, and I think Thane is the kind of player that says what's on his mind without worrying too much about how it's going to sound, but I don't know.  It just makes me feel he's trying to convince us without really doing anything to convince us.

[Sili Quirrels]

What do you mean the bold is never hinted at?  That's my personal opinion, and why I don't find Thane wrong for his stance on Jmm.

Then how is the bold or any of what you said relevant if Thane wasn't thinking it? This ain't about you.

 

-the rest is cool. nice to know.

[Clovdyx]

What are you even saying? Of course I have an idea of who to start with, but suspicions do not equate to reads. the names i gave, all 4, were suspects: i.e. people I wanted to check out.

 

I would argue the exact opposite.  If I say "I'm suspicious of Tina", that basically implies she's a scum candidate.  If I say "I'm not suspicious of Cory", there's the implication I think he's town.  But whatever.  I'm not going to spend more time getting into an argument on the differences on between reads/leans/opinions.

[Clovdyx]

 

What do you mean the bold is never hinted at?  That's my personal opinion, and why I don't find Thane wrong for his stance on Jmm.

Then how is the bold or any of what you said relevant if Thane wasn't thinking it? This ain't about you.

 

-the rest is cool. nice to know.

 

 

Because we obviously have a difference in opinion?  You seem to think it's wrong for Thane to have trusted Jmm's claim.  I don't.  Bold explains why.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Mixed feelings are understandable, but I don't see how you can't have some sort of idea on which way you want to go (ie reads), unless you're not trying to figure people's alignments out.  Just offering up names when somebody asks doesn't get us anywhere and it makes YOU harder to read for the rest of us.

 

^^  *nod*

 

The thing that's really bothering me right now is that he's refusing to be accountable for his reads - to the point of denying that they ARE reads.

 

i'm not going to take responsibility for them as reads when they're liable to change once i reread the thread. this SHOULD be obvious to you.

 

And god almighty, 20 pages, god knows how many posts, and i've been completely open about my stances and leans and no one even needed to ask what they were. the moment they aren't obvious you have a fit about it?

 

You pressed for names. I gave them to you.

 

But i'm not going to call 4 names 'reads' until I have something significant to say about them.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

What do you mean the bold is never hinted at?  That's my personal opinion, and why I don't find Thane wrong for his stance on Jmm.

Then how is the bold or any of what you said relevant if Thane wasn't thinking it? This ain't about you.

 

-the rest is cool. nice to know.

 

 

Because we obviously have a difference in opinion?  You seem to think it's wrong for Thane to have trusted Jmm's claim.  I don't.  Bold explains why.

 

I'll say it again in a different way then,

 

Thane trusting Jmm because of his claim is different than Thane trusting Jmm's claim, and as a consequence trusting jmm. e.g. The thinking process you allude to has more depth, and if Thane had thought it I wouldn't have a problem either. But that didn't seem to be teh case. Thane simply trusting jmm's claim feels a lot more like 'an excuse' to town read someone than a read bolstered by critical thinking.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

What are you even saying? Of course I have an idea of who to start with, but suspicions do not equate to reads. the names i gave, all 4, were suspects: i.e. people I wanted to check out.

 

I would argue the exact opposite.  If I say "I'm suspicious of Tina", that basically implies she's a scum candidate.  If I say "I'm not suspicious of Cory", there's the implication I think he's town.  But whatever.  I'm not going to spend more time getting into an argument on the differences on between reads/leans/opinions.

 

good post. it's probably true we think of the terms differently.

[Clovdyx]

I'll say it again in a different way then,

 

Thane trusting Jmm because of his claim is different than Thane trusting Jmm's claim, and as a consequence trusting jmm. e.g. The thinking process you allude to has more depth, and if Thane had thought it I wouldn't have a problem either. But that didn't seem to be teh case. Thane simply trusting jmm's claim feels a lot more like 'an excuse' to town read someone than a read bolstered by critical thinking.

 

 

I'm not sure I'd make that distinction.  If you trust his claim to be true, you pretty much have to trust him to be town.  Similarly, if you're trusting him because he claimed, you either buy the claim or assume he's drawing the NK.

 

That being said, I can understand where you're coming from with the last sentence.  If he IS scum, Jmm's hint did give Thane plenty of reason to write him off and look for other targets.

[Clovdyx]

@Thane - 

 

Can you highlight some posts for me.  Interested to see:

 

-where you thought Sili and I were being defensive?

-what posts he made between Friday and Saturday that swung your opinion on him?

-what swung me from mafia to town, then back to mafia?

[Sili Quirrels]

i feel like my activity is about to drop for obvious reasons so i'll solve this game tonight.