[Basic] Girls Locker Room Mafia - Game Over

[bgrishinko]

Well, okay then. So it is statistically more viable, yes? Never said scum need to be spread out.

 

I don't know. I never got how the Monty Hall problem worked so maybe this is a bad one for me to take on.

 

Heh. Had to get the Monty Hall down pat for my A.I. programming class.

[mmeeshal]

Kae, the way I deal with it is I just ignore it. Much nicer on my brain that way. XD

[Netbattler11]

Ok Maw, and those of you who have never played with me. I live in Singapore. Effectively on the other side of the world. So means... HUGE ASS TIME DIFFERENCE. I'll chime in tomorrow. Coz it's 12.30am here. And I wanna sleep.

 

*nods* See ya in the later morning.

 

Accepted. Waiting for your morning.

 

Okay, on reflection the worst thing I've seen is still Maw's entusiastic joining of why we (or at least I) voted for Soy on Day 1.

 

My suspect list with reasons withheld for now:

Maw

Ishy

Amadine

Wombat

 

Vote Maw

 

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I don't remember doing that. I looked back, and i didn't see that. Major ping. I didn't support a soy lynch, for the most part. He did start pinging towards the end, but nowhere did i jump on a bandwagon. VOTE BG for major lack of reasoning.

 

Also, mod, any chance of a vote count?

[mmeeshal]

I believe el Moddo is at a friend's house, so here is an unofficial vote count, without the nifty links cos I'm lazy.

 

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Wombat (2): Meesh, Sakaea

Maw (1): BG

BG (1): Maw

 

Not voting: Wombat, Amadine, Boopsy, Ishmael, Ledinna

[mmeeshal]

BG, I have to agree with Maw, here--what the heck are you talking about? Just went through Maw's D1 posts, and he never "enthusiastically joined" the Boyo lynch--in fact, after he took his vote off Hoof, I don't believe he put it back on anyone before the day ended.

 

Having said that, my reskim of D1 did serve to strengthen my Maw and Ishy suspicions. Maw has continually avoided posting anything of real value. He's been "+1-ing" other people's posts and the only time he DOESN'T lean on someone else's posts is when someone says something directly TO him or AT him or ABOUT him. He's been majorly fluffing and flying under the radar. Not doing anything major that would stick out and draw a lot of attention to him--notice how he's been discussed a bit, but always dismissed in the light of things more pressing.

 

unvote, vote Maw

 

As for Ishy, since I mentioned him, what pings me about him on reread was his early vote-hopping with no reasoning (that's lesser, since his son had been in the hospital, so I give him a semi-pass on the lack of reasoning), calling Boyo's case on Hoof "fluff" and "trying to fly under the radar," then defending Hoof (who DID seem scummy at that point, I'm not gonna lie) while claiming not to be, then sussing Maw but giving no reason (could be the following Boyo thing, I dunno).

 

Ishy's at the bottom of my active suspect list because I haven't seen much since D1 to make me suspect him, and I can see how his actions could have been those of a townie (more so than with anyone else I suspect). But I mentioned him, so I felt I should explain. XD

[bgrishinko]

I guess that came out wrong. You weren't on the Soy train, but your enthusiastic agreement with Soy's suspicions of Hoof which Hoof later voted you over is what I'm talking about.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Wombat - Sakaea (1)

Maw - BG, Mmeeshal (2)

BG - Maw (1)

 

The deadline is Monday November 14th at 8:30AM PST.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Netbattler11]

Okay, that makes more sense. UNVOTE

[Amadine]

If Kae were not an uncontested Doc she would get my vote. I am still suspicious of her anyway. Continually pointing out that she has claimed Doc, and semi-FOSing anyone who questions it - eg Ledinna (my bold)

 

I'm good with Maw, Ledinna, or Wombat. All three have pinged me. Womby usually pings me tho. Ledinna is too non-commital about anything right now, and appears to be skimming and missed the fact that I'm the doc, which makes me suspect her. Maw, not sure about him.

 

Maw, anything to contribute?

 

I am not going to vote for an uncontested Doc - but i will be keeping an eye on her. There would be no reason for the real Doc to claim if Kae's is a fake role claim, all it would accomplish is letting the scum know who the real Doc is, and IMO it would make more sense to remain hidden. It's WIFOM i know, but there's my thought process at the moment.

[mmeeshal]

Do you have any other thoughts aside from on Kae? As much as I agree with everyone that Kae's play has been suspect this entire game, she's a vetted Doc, for me. I personally feel that it's pointless to keep questioning her claim. It gets us nowhere. Waste of time.

[Amadine]

I do, but you are not gonna like them. The following exchange pings hard between you and Kae. She goes from a full FOS of you to agreeing with you in the space of a couple of posts. It feels.... contrived.

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FYI, I don't like the easy "un-countered doc thinks someone is scummy so since I can't vote the doc I'll vote her suspect" vote. Personally, I thought Ama's case against Kae was pretty valid. Saying "That makes sense" and following along isn't necessarily scummy. Granted, I'm not saying Hoof is entirely free of suspicion, but at this point I'm getting a more actual-scum feel from Red's actions than Hoof's. Hoof just seems careless and lazy, not necessarily bad. I'm willing to go either way depending on how this falls out, but I feel more strongly about Red.[/color]

 

FOS Meesh. I don't like this post. To me, it seems like she's breadcrumbing for a false claim later on, which always seems to be a problem when a cop or a doc is forced to claim this early in the game. Also, she seems to be not-so-subtly protecting Hoof. Scum-mates?

 

 

Fair enough, if you think my vote-changing was jokey and my claim to try and help the game along is BS, and you've actually read my reasons, which I feel make perfect sense, especially since my efforts actually worked believe it or not, then obviously there's nothing more I can say.

 

you said it yourself meesh, so stop trying to make a big debate out of it.

 

 

care to explain why else your voting for me. same goes for you Womby, unless your sticking with that crazy "she talked at night and therefore wasn't afriad of being NKd" excuse.

I'm not trying to make it into a big debate. That, actually, is one of the reasons I'm voting for you. I told you, you hadn't given any indication that you were actually reading what I was saying.

 

You've been conveniently picking out the parts of my posts that suit your purposes, and ignoring everything else. If I try and call attention to that fact, you suddenly try to make me look like I'm blowing everything out of proportion, to make me out to be the bad guy--you're only convincing me further that my vote's in the right place. I'm not budging unless it's that or random modkill.

 

[color=#730623

FYI, I don't like the easy "un-countered doc thinks someone is scummy so since I can't vote the doc I'll vote her suspect" vote. Personally, I thought Ama's case against Kae was pretty valid. Saying "That makes sense" and following along isn't necessarily scummy. Granted, I'm not saying Hoof is entirely free of suspicion, but at this point I'm getting a more actual-scum feel from Red's actions than Hoof's. Hoof just seems careless and lazy, not necessarily bad. I'm willing to go either way depending on how this falls out, but I feel more strongly about Red.[/color]

 

FOS Meesh. I don't like this post. To me, it seems like she's breadcrumbing for a false claim later on, which always seems to be a problem when a cop or a doc is forced to claim this early in the game. Also, she seems to be not-so-subtly protecting Hoof. Scum-mates?

Um, first of all, please point out why you think I'm breadcrumbing for a false claim. I don't see any of that anywhere. I just learned about breadcrumbing like two days ago, so maybe something I'm saying is coming across that way and I don't see it? I'm not FoSing you, Kae, just Red. Why the big reaction?

 

Also, yeah, I'm scum with Hoof, you caught me. I love when I do stuff people can describe as pretty much "clumsy scum stuff" and people actually think that's what it is. Give me some credit, folks. I don't consider myself a clumsy player.

 

 

It seems like you're subtly saying you're the doc not me, so you can claim doc later to try to get me lynched. If it's just a n00b thing, ok. But I read it, saw it how I saw it, and posted what I thought. FOS retracted for the moment however. Your reaction seems genuine.

 

I don't know why the color code failed for me, I didn't change it:-/

 

 

I think since you chopped off half of my post, you accidentally took out the "]" at the end of the first color tag. I added it in and that fixed the problem.

 

Since you point it out, I can see how it might have come across that way. It constantly amazes me how much there is that I STILL don't know about mafia, considering I've been playing for a long time, but the idea of breadcrumbing came as a total surprise to me. XD

 

Basically what I was saying is that I didn't like the way Red was so casual about switching votes to Hoof. Not away from you; that's understandable. But to Hoof, with pretty much no explanation and following your lead. It comes across to me as Red being scum, knowing you're the doctor and that Hoof isn't scum, and wanting to look good by following the doctor's lead without question. Alternatively, it (the vote change) could be a distancing ploy between her and Hoof.

 

And then I was saying that the case you made on Hoof ("scummy following other people's reasoning") wasn't that much to go on, honestly, because Ama did make some good points and it could have been laziness on Hoof's part.

 

And then I was saying that Red seems more scummy to me than Hoof, based on what I've seen.

 

So yeah, maybe putting those in a bulleted list or something the first time around might have been a bit clearer. XD

 

 

You make a good point. Now they both seem scummy to me. But I'm going to leave my vote on Hoof, because I do think he's the way to go for a lynch today.

 

 

 

Also i still feel like there's something happening with Womby, not sure what though and i can't explain it. There's something there and makes me stop and scratch my head - i'm not sure it's because he is scum though. I am going to hold off on voting still to see where the day leads.

[mmeeshal]

It also could have been that she misunderstood what I was saying?

 

Also, she's a vetted Doc. Even if I was scum, which I'm not, there's NO way she could be "contriving" this sudden 180 with me, because she IS the Doc, unless something VERY weird is going on, which I doubt because this is a basic game.

 

I'm not QUITE FoSing you on this, but your reluctance to give up on the Kae thing is bugging me.

[Amadine]

Hence the reason i have not voted.

 

I just like to keep my mind open to all possibilities in mafia, including those that seem unlikely.

[mmeeshal]

I get that, I'm just saying it's not a possibility, that's all. I wouldn't even be bringing it up, but if people do decide to vote for Kae, I'm prepared to stop that in its tracks, so basically she is off-limits for a lynch, and I believe I am, as well. Which then leads to the conclusion that we should all be focusing on those we CAN lynch, and you're not doing that very much--Wombat and Ledinna are the only ones you've mentioned. I notice you haven't weighed in on the Maw issue at all yet, unless I missed something.

[Amadine]

Maw is an interesting one. I'm not convinced on him - either way. He has been tagging along with other players but i'm getting almost a newbie feel from him. Kae was my strongest lead and look how that has panned out looks like my scumdar may be broken this game LMAO

[mmeeshal]

Maw is an interesting one. I'm not convinced on him - either way. He has been tagging along with other players but i'm getting almost a newbie feel from him. Kae was my strongest lead and look how that has panned out looks like my scumdar may be broken this game LMAO

BOLD--I haven't really gotten a scum vibe from him either, but hindsight, my reread, and logic compel me to think there is a great possibility that Maw could be scum. He's been doing an excellent job of flying under the radar. I definitely FEEL like Wombat's likelier scum, but there's less in-thread evidence to support that, if that makes sense... XD

 

UNDERLINED--ZOMG, I feel the same way. I was SO sure that Tina and Red were scum, and they weren't. Like, I was "I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong" sure on them. XD

[mmeeshal]

Just looking at who hasn't really weighed in at all today...Boopsy and Ishy are the only ones, really. But I feel like we could definitely stand to hear more from Wombat and Ledinna as well, and Maw, if he wants to start thinking for himself.

[WWWwombat]

Still thinking BG or Maw. Would like to hear more from both.

[Wayward_fool]

Ok Here I am. Keep in mind I have ALOT to catch up on. Personally I think everyone's playing it cautious here. And I do not like maths. So all tat statistic nonsense I'm ignoring. *lol*

 

Personally I don't see Wombat being that fishy. Not getting scum vibe from him.

 

Maw's the one I kinda get pings from. And I'm not OMGUSing. I just think that for someone who wants to "pressure" other people into play, you sure seem to hide behind the defense of other people alot. And I feel like you're scum tagging along so noone quite notices you. Saying you'll "pressure" me if everyone's good with that, kinda makes it very suspiscious on you. vote Maw

 

Talk to me, Maw, talk to me.

[Wayward_fool]

Just looking at who hasn't really weighed in at all today...Boopsy and Ishy are the only ones, really.

 

You ninjaed me, Meesh. It just took me almost half an hour to catch up. Bleah.

[mmeeshal]

Just looking at who hasn't really weighed in at all today...Boopsy and Ishy are the only ones, really.

 

You ninjaed me, Meesh. It just took me almost half an hour to catch up. Bleah.

*snuggles teh Boopsy* That's fine, I totally get the time zone difference thing. I just felt like there was NOBODY talking, so I wanted to see who all needed to talk, who already was, stuff like that. With the light discussion going on, it feels like there's nobody here anymore. XD

 

Anyway, that's off-topic, really, and I'm going to bed anyway. Mostly just wanted to snuggle teh Boopsy.

[Wayward_fool]

*snuggles Meeshypoodlekins* Sweet dreams, you.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Wombat - Sakaea (1)

Maw - BG, Mmeeshal, Wayward_Fool (3)

 

The deadline is Monday November 14th at 8:30AM PST.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Ledinna Sedai]

What I meant with my "Sakaea isn't totally unsuspected" was that even though she says she's the doctor, it isn't automatically the truth. Maybe it's a lie and we should be more careful with her. And even though it were a lie she could still be just a desperate townie. But on the other hand it can as well be the truth, and that's why more evidences are needed, so that we won't lynch the Doc. I'm not bending on either side yet.

[Sakaea]

Unvote, Vote Maw

 

So Maw, anything to say?