MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

[Lizabeth]

Oh. I should have mentioned earlier...sometimes I become a bitch when I play mafia

[Lizabeth]

FFS not off limits 

Oh...okay...ignore my reactive posturing then.

 

[Lizabeth]

...Okay, that was a big unfair.  Basically, yeah, he can come into the thread and be one of those scum that basically buddies people and tries to win them over with emotion/charm, rather than gameplay.  But it's not like he's a raging tool when he's town.  He's just generally not an abrasive player (read: asshole).

Thanks.

 

so what do you think of Darthe's observation (sorry, trying not to clog the thread with my catchup, but it's not working :( )

[Lizabeth]

 

Editorial rant: there are many things that I hate about posting at PerC and many things that I appreciate about the post system at DM, but GOD I HATE THE MULTIQUOTE SYSTEM AT DM! >:(

Sorry...had to get that out of my system...

 

 

To the first part: I haven't been asking people to change their minds on Calder. I'd like them to, sure. I still think he's the best lynch for the day. (him or Zev) because almost everyone else is null for me except for a couple of town reads (although I'd like to see more from Celeste so it doesn't start to feel like she's resting on the assurances of people looking elsewhere >.>)

 

When I say: give me a better candidate, I'm saying: give me a convincing argument for why I should jump off of Calder onto your candidate if you think that my reasons for lynching Calder are so weak. Yes, I know that you want to vote Seph. Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen really convincing arguments for why. Calder has given some, and I'll go back and review (if i can figure out how to iso properly...the last time I just got quotes with the person's name in it rather than the person's posts). But point by point if you can convince me that your arguments for Seph are stronger than my arguments for Calder, then I consider jumping.

There's probably at least 5 different opinions on who should be lynched today (if that many) and I have yet to convinced that any one else's reasons are better than mine. And other than Zev, the other people being considered are people I'm reading as town.

 

 

As to the second part: Is seph your deep wolf candidate? I'm confused...

 

And I thought you were null/town leaning on Celeste. What's changed?

 

 

I know what you mean - my point is, that's not my job.  I'm not going to sit here and cheerlead a lynch until everybody follows me.  I read people, I explain why I read people the way I do, and I point out what issues I have with other people's arguments.  I don't care enough to beg, guilt trip, manipulate, threaten, strong arm, or do any other gimmick to get votes.  If you don't want to move, that's on you.  

 

Any argument you can make about Calder pretty much applies to Seph, except Seph has actually done substantially less towards the game as a whole.  I actually have no idea who Seph wants to lynch at this point, I'm not sure why it's not Calder, and I think Seph's supposed town!thought process doesn't fit with how he's played this game at all thus far (thought I'm not sure if you've gotten there yet).

 

Why would Seph be my deepwolf candidate?  I've said multiple times I think he's the best bet for scum, and I don't think he's really pulling the wool over anybody's eyes if I'm right.

 

I don't think I've ever said anything about Celeste to suggest that.  I said I was feeling a bit better about her, but her pop ins to point out how she has no real reads isn't a good look, and even at the time I made that post, the best thing she had going for her was frustration.  That could come from a town POV, sure.  But I made a very clear case as to why she'd be frustrated as mafia.

 

Okay this sounds fair.

 

And I agree that Celeste's lack of effort lately is making me hope that I'm not going to kick myself for defending her...I want to know what happened to her scum read on Darthe.

 

 

I will be sooooo pissed if you're this good as scum though

 

 

actually, just a little pissed but more impressed

 

 

if it's possible for me to be more impressed than I already am :P

 

 

 

[Lizabeth]

what's the point of calder v. seph again?

 

calder is hard to read. Seph is acting weird. what information is there there? i don't even know enough to say it can't be w/w.

I don't lynch for information. I lynch for scum.

[Lizabeth]

 

Oh, and Chris is going to mock me for this...but do people mind sharing there MBTI types with me if they know them?

 

For....raisins

you got mine right

 

 

 

Nope. What is it?

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

 

If your scum Celeste, my entire vision falls apart. Me and you have to both be town for my scenario to be even remotely close. I think you are though. Because me, you, and Zev are the top 3 possibilities in the current game state (which scum would not want to evolve).

And the wording of this statement...does not..sit...right...with....me....

 

 

Both have to be town. As in it can't just be me or none of that is right.

 

But you're talking about your alignment as though it's a hypothetical. You know your alignment. So why would the need for you and Celeste both being town have any influence on your scenario.

 

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your process, so explain it to me please.

 

 

Your really grasping and I am not going further into it. Obv I know my alignment. So the unkown is Celeste's alignment.

 

I'm not grasping. I'm trying to understand why you would say that your scenario is dependent on your alignment and Celestes as though your alignment is hypothetical.

 

I know you know your alignment. So explain your mind to me in how you phrased that.

 

Explain it to me like I'm a drunk five year old (like one of my friends at PerC likes to say)

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Oh, and Chris is going to mock me for this...but do people mind sharing there MBTI types with me if they know them?

 

For....raisins

you got mine right

 

 

 

Nope. What is it?

 

INFJ

[Lizabeth]

 

 

The abuse of jungian analysis is killing me

Should you be dead then?

 

My home site is Personality cafe, so sue me :D

 

you're using the mbti like it's a horoscope tho

 

No, I'm not. You may not understand what I'm doing, if I know your type I know your cognitive functions. If I know your cognitive functions it helps me put some context around why something you say might make no goddamn sense to me even though it might make sense to you.

 

It's obviously not the only tool I use, but it helps (me). And when I'm dealing with a whole pile of null and not a lot of meta...just  humour me *sigh*

 

(I'm tired, and I haven't eaten yet, so just humour me)

[Lizabeth]

Okay...sorry for being cranky and clogging up the thread...

 

I should go eat. Then maybe I'll be less cranky and thread cloggeruppy....

[Lizabeth]

But okay, just to see where this goes: [v]Seph[/v]

[Calder]

Oh. I should have mentioned earlier...sometimes I become a bitch when I play mafia

You seem fine.

 

To your explain it to you like your 5 comment - I thought I already had. I said that we both need to be town in that scenario. Since she is obv not proven alignment wise, I cant stake anything on that analysis. Basically, knowing that I am town isnt enough if Celeste isnt.

[Zander?]

 

Where does your vote go if I tell you you're almost certainly wrong about Calder because I'm the best Calder-reader in the world and I've never been wrong about him?  I know it's not going on Celeste.  

 

Actually, on that note, pretend he's my Celeste.  Now what?

 

 

FEO Liz:

 

 

Do not pretend Calder is my A. Celeste though 

 

 

Assuming that I trust that you're town and not his scummate trying to save him?

 

My vote would probably go on Zev.

 

 

My concern is other then inactive I really dont see why you want to lynch him.

 

Besides Calder do you think anyone else who actually has content thus far is likely to be Scum?

[Zander?]

I'm not sure who to vote for. Most of you are null except for the people who have spoken up.

 

How about some reads with reasoning then.

 

Please dont take this the wrong way but youve said a lot this game about nothing really imo.

 

Give us something to work with please.

[Zander?]

 

 

Thing is about zev, this is his first game, and we shouldn't lynch him based on that alone in my opinion.

Ugh. Just ugh.

 

If he were playing but playing scummy, I could go with that argument.

 

But he's not playing. Which suggests that you're more invested in him staying in the game than he is.

 

 

This doesn't make any goddamn sense.  If he were playing scummy, we shouldn't lynch him?  But the fact he's inactive means we should be willing to consider it?

 

 

Im confused about her stance on Zev as well.

[Zander?]

I'm actually think Zander has a chance to be scum here.

 

Why?

 

Like give some reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm actually think Zander has a chance to be scum here.

I was thinking that about you

I don't know if your trying to poke my buttons but this isn't going to work.

Yeah probably not, but thats the best I can do. Im not a very strong player tbh... Dont know how to aggress well. But that doesnt mean you arent a wolf!

 

 

lolololololol

[Darthe]

What?  It's true, Celeste would probably get me lynched if she pushed at me.

 

Actually, [unvote] [v] celeste [/v] I can't have that.  

[Zander?]

 

 

Blue - Yeah, Sili used to drive me crazy in games.  I basically stopped trying to understand in a way that I can relate to and just sort of trying to figure out if he was blatantly lying through his teeth.  Mixed results but I don't know what else to do.

 

Red - Jumped to him being mafia or jumped to him being town?  Because he's done both now.

 

 

As for me... do I have an issue with you thinking that?  Not really.  I probably could fool you.  I think basically everybody on this site (and most sites I've played on) would agree I'm an all right player.  But I'm pretty sure you've never even seen me as mafia, so for you to have this fear in the back of your mind that I'm owning you is frustrating.  And it happens to me basically every game.  

 

I mean, I'm not going to apologize for NOT always dying during N1, and I'm certainly not going to accept having dirt kicked on me because the mafia didn't shoot on me during the nonexistent N0 in games.

 

 

Both lol, but my comment was irt his early mafia read of him.

 

 

@ Liz- Can you give us a reads list with reasoning please.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/97862-mafia-kart-wii-basic/?p=3643066

 

I asked because do you think everyone else besides Zev and Calder are Town atp?

 

Am I missing something from that post?

[Zander?]

it's irrational to think my posts are irrational. ffs.

 

 

Sili is gonna make me run out of original headdesk gifs and that alone makes me wanna headdesk

[Zander?]

Oh, and Chris is going to mock me for this...but do people mind sharing there MBTI types with me if they know them?

 

For....raisins

 

Im ISTJHSYNAOY759n00h=.com/org

[Sili Quirrels]

I was being ironic on purpose so the headdesk is redundent.

[Zander?]

 

 

The abuse of jungian analysis is killing me

Should you be dead then?

 

My home site is Personality cafe, so sue me :D

 

you're using the mbti like it's a horoscope tho

 

 

Im a Gemini and an ENFP.

 

Analyze away.

 

 

 

 

 

Where does your vote go if I tell you you're almost certainly wrong about Calder because I'm the best Calder-reader in the world and I've never been wrong about him?  I know it's not going on Celeste.  

 

Actually, on that note, pretend he's my Celeste.  Now what?

 

 

FEO Liz:

 

 

Do not pretend Calder is my A. Celeste though 

 

 

Assuming that I trust that you're town and not his scummate trying to save him?

 

My vote would probably go on Zev.

 

 

Don't need saving. But, your welcome to keep trying.

 

This is the kind of comment that makes me hope someone will get lynched just because...

 

 

What which someone?

 

Calder?

 

Darthe pretty much started to drive my mislynch the other game when I made the "im not getting mislynched this game comment"

[Zander?]

 

I'm not sure who to vote for. Most of you are null except for the people who have spoken up.

What happened to Darthe?

 

 

Like seriously Liz explain this to me.

 

She just makes comments without any reasoning but not really confirming how she feels. 

 

Zander may be Scum

 

I think Darthe may be Scum

 

I think Calder is Town.

 

Like it feels like fence sitting.  It feels like she's just saying these things to see what gains traction.

 

I also find it funny that both her may be scum reads are sussing her and her Town one is someone Townreading her tho.

[Lizabeth]

 

Oh. I should have mentioned earlier...sometimes I become a bitch when I play mafia

You seem fine.

 

To your explain it to you like your 5 comment - I thought I already had. I said that we both need to be town in that scenario. Since she is obv not proven alignment wise, I cant stake anything on that analysis. Basically, knowing that I am town isnt enough if Celeste isnt.

 

Okay, I guess I don't understand how you're coming up with your scenario?

 

Can you explain that part to me? I could go back and reread but...(lazy)

 

I will try to read back on Seph before deadline though.

[Zander?]

I'm not grasping. I'm trying to understand why you would say that your scenario is dependent on your alignment and Celestes as though your alignment is hypothetical.

 

I know you know your alignment. So explain your mind to me in how you phrased that.

 

Explain it to me like I'm a drunk five year old (like one of my friends at PerC likes to say)

 

 

Im trying to understand the bold.  That he said or implied his own alignment was hypothetical?  I dont get it.

 

Liz we bothh know you dont give alcohol to anyone under the age of 8.

 

Youre making us Canadians look bad ffs.

 

 

But okay, just to see where this goes: [v]Seph[/v]

 

What was your read on seph prior to this.

 

Youre voting the person your top Scum read is voting?

 

Do you think he's bussing him?

 

Or is this some sort of Liz reaction test thingy I dont understand?