[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[wish-tree]

 

@Zander do you know what my real towntell is?

 

Above anything else?

 

When I say I'm leaving and then keep posting for like an hour at the expense of getting a remotely decent night's sleep. -_-

 

I completely missed this post during the initial read, only saw it quoted in a post by Zander which I was looking for the origin of a response from Celeste from.

 

This is really good stuff from Shad. This is a second town bomb post on day one.

 

I don't think I'll ever lynch shad this game and I don't think we need to scan him either.

 

I really like Shad's progression on me, and I don't think I'm being pocketed.

 

Probably.

[wish-tree]

I'm a bit frustrated, honestly.

 

I don't understand why you're scum reading me, and let's not get into Turin who's sheeping your vote on me.

 

I think I've already adequately answered all your suspicions, and the way you're tackling my responses seems that you are making light of them.

[Zander?]

Penny Post http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-day-one/?p=3588497

 

It wouldnt let me quote this post for its too big.

 

 

Resorting to name calling now are we.....lololololololololol

 

I read quite well....Hooked On Phonics Worked For Me!!!!!

 

[Nolder]

I'm a bit frustrated, honestly.

 

I don't understand why you're scum reading me, and let's not get into Turin who's sheeping your vote on me.

 

I think I've already adequately answered all your suspicions, and the way you're tackling my responses seems that you are making light of them.

He's a bad guy. Let's lynch him.

[Nolder]

Oh wait you were talking to Xander lol.

Nevermind continue with your discussion.

 

Seriously though if you guys want to lynch Nomi I'll be over here.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

Elaborate?

 

 

 

you asked her if she wanted to lynch herself....lololololololol

 

 

That was a fragment of a complete thought. In context it makes sense.

 

Speed reading is good, but comprehension is better. :)

 

 

 

I understood brother i just thought the fact you asked her was funny....lolololololol

[wish-tree]

Oh wait you were talking to Xander lol.

Nevermind continue with your discussion.

 

Seriously though if you guys want to lynch Nomi I'll be over here.

lol

okay

 

can you tell me why?

I think I asked you before, but not sure if I missed it or not. If so, apologies.

[Celeste]

Penny Post http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-day-one/?p=3588497

 

It wouldnt let me quote this post for its too big.

 

 

Resorting to name calling now are we.....lololololololololol

 

I read quite well....Hooked On Phonics Worked For Me!!!!!

 

Lenny he did it again..

[wish-tree]

Penny Post http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-day-one/?p=3588497

 

It wouldnt let me quote this post for its too big.

 

 

Resorting to name calling now are we.....lololololololololol

 

I read quite well....Hooked On Phonics Worked For Me!!!!!

 

Did you not read any of the things I wrote within your own spoiler?

[wish-tree]

 

Penny Post http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-day-one/?p=3588497

 

It wouldnt let me quote this post for its too big.

 

 

Resorting to name calling now are we.....lololololololololol

 

I read quite well....Hooked On Phonics Worked For Me!!!!!

 

Lenny he did it again..

 

I NOTICED

 

this is extremely frustrating

 

I ANSWER ALL YOUR WOTS AND SUSPICIONS AND WHATEVER

 

and you reply with a youtube video and a joke?

 

Excuse me?

[Celeste]

@ Celeste and since then your read improved, yes?

 

Where would you say was the tipping point for you on Shad?

when he decided to ISO Lenny and I.

[Nolder]

 

Oh wait you were talking to Xander lol.

Nevermind continue with your discussion.

 

Seriously though if you guys want to lynch Nomi I'll be over here.

lol

okay

 

can you tell me why?

I think I asked you before, but not sure if I missed it or not. If so, apologies.

 

A big part of it is I don't like his position on Celeste.

He agrees she appears scummy but doesn't want to lynch her.

So if that's how he feels I think he could buy her an extra day with his own life.

See how he feels about it then eh?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Lenlo I really suggest you read Raganorak for differences in my play. I was a godfather in that game hydrating with Wish. We are different this game.

 

Dude not everybody can be super obvious town and have the same generic tells. You might not like this post but it's true

 

 

I dont like this post.  And you guys seem too sure of each other especially Wish,

 

I wish that you would read what I wrote to you....

 

Zander.

 

 

 

 

 

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo I really suggest you read Raganorak for differences in my play. I was a godfather in that game hydrating with Wish. We are different this game.

 

Dude not everybody can be super obvious town and have the same generic tells. You might not like this post but it's true

 

 

I dont like this post.  And you guys seem too sure of each other especially Wish,

 

I wish that you would read what I wrote to you....

 

Zander.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So that means you can ignore my posts? 

 

:/

[Nolder]

My WTL goes in this order: Nomi, Celeste, Pral.

 

I prefer lynching Nomi, I am ok with lynching Celeste, and if by some miracle people wise up and start lynching inactives starting with Pral I'm down for that.

[Celeste]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo I really suggest you read Raganorak for differences in my play. I was a godfather in that game hydrating with Wish. We are different this game.

 

 

Dude not everybody can be super obvious town and have the same generic tells. You might not like this post but it's true

 

I dont like this post.  And you guys seem too sure of each other especially Wish,

I wish that you would read what I wrote to you....

 

Zander.

 

 

 

 

So that means you can ignore my posts? 

 

:/

this reminds me of Liz in the hobbit. (I love you Liz and hope Chris doesn't tell you about this)

[Nolder]

I haven't been following this conversation closely but if he's made up his mind not much you can do Wish.

Stop wasting time convincing him and try to convince others, just sayin.

[wish-tree]

 

 

Oh wait you were talking to Xander lol.

Nevermind continue with your discussion.

 

Seriously though if you guys want to lynch Nomi I'll be over here.

lol

okay

 

can you tell me why?

I think I asked you before, but not sure if I missed it or not. If so, apologies.

 

A big part of it is I don't like his position on Celeste.

He agrees she appears scummy but doesn't want to lynch her.

So if that's how he feels I think he could buy her an extra day with his own life.

See how he feels about it then eh?

 

Hmmm...

I've been saying that Celeste appears scummy to you guys and I don't want to lynch her, because I've learned that when she looks scummy in comparison to other people, she's town.

 

The whole opposite day thing.

 

I don't find that scummy, actually. Any other reasons?

[wish-tree]

I haven't been following this conversation closely but if he's made up his mind not much you can do Wish.

Stop wasting time convincing him and try to convince others, just sayin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo I really suggest you read Raganorak for differences in my play. I was a godfather in that game hydrating with Wish. We are different this game.

 

Dude not everybody can be super obvious town and have the same generic tells. You might not like this post but it's true

 

I dont like this post.  And you guys seem too sure of each other especially Wish,

I wish that you would read what I wrote to you....

 

Zander.

 

 

 

So that means you can ignore my posts? 

 

:/

this reminds me of Liz in the hobbit. (I love you Liz and hope Chris doesn't tell you about this)

 

 

Yeah...

 

I haven't been following this conversation closely but if he's made up his mind not much you can do Wish.

Stop wasting time convincing him and try to convince others, just sayin.

 

Okay, I got it.

 

Do you have anything you want me to answer?

[wish-tree]

This question is directed at everyone else as well. Please feel free to ask me anything!

 

(really personal, intrusive questions such as my SSN and zipcode and credit card information are not on the table)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok. Done.

 

Listen, this isn't the "Complete" Celeste, because in fairness, I'm going to check up on those other games. She's not a mega-poster like Zander so it should be done by D2 or N2 at the latest. And since like 90% of the time OR BETTER, someone making these claims about games they were just in, is the truth- I'm going to go with the odds.

 

But this is the Celeste Iso, my lean on each post is colored. Fraid the context is removed (no quotes) but, I made the leads while re-reading with everyone else on ignore.

 

Celeste ISO

 

 

18 Hello
21 I think we played together twice if you were in raganorak.
26 Anyways I am simply excited to be back
36  Also before I head to bed Vote: Cass

184  Caught up.
185 this is not true all the time and you know it.
186 Why? Is it because I randomly voted Cass? Or something else.
188  Unvote
190  For Cass Eyes Only
217  Noted this. Penny is my name not one of my many usernames.
237  I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.
250 Umm what does this prove Nolder? Seems like pointless WIFOM.
258 I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.
269 Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

335  I unvoted because it was a joke vote. Is it really that scummy to you guys? A joke vote is simply for entertainment and reaction testing.
379  The timing was because I would have forgotten that I joke vote her which happens sometimes XD
383  Imo I don't really pay attention to timing much because I forget things sometimes.
392  Lenny were we mafia with Lenlo before or am I thinking of someone else?
395  Did you mean Lenny is not town earlier?
400 Not all the time because it could honestly be a confusing townie if it happens in the beginning.
413  Well your wrong first of all because your not telling me the reasons WHY first of all. I also want to know who you think Wish is? Lenny or Penny?
423  =_= Aye aye this is ridiculous since your basing it off of the timing of taking off a joke vote? That is super poor reasoning Zander imo.
431  I was just curious about that one little thing ok. I'm not a wolf and I know my role. This is very different from my last two DM games where I was mafia too. If you want to look for a wolfy post from me than see the difference between Raganorak and here.
***** ISO CELESTE IN RAGNAROK.

438  If it helps you guys I'm not really an early game player so all I have are my gut reads and observations until a flip happens.
442 I already said she is slight town with the reservations I hold. I know you guys find this whole interplay thing we do weird but it's because we read and work with each other really well. It was weird how Zander is slightly pushing Lenny for defending me. It's completely within her town range too. If you won't listen to me than listen to Cass who knows we can read each other well.
449  Well than excuse you for not seeing that I don't have the average tells of a townie because y'all are too focused on average tells. I'm still looking and not certain with reads except for the one's on Cass and Wish. The whole fact that y'all are pushing into a defensive corner doesn't help because it blocks the scum hunting. If you guys are so adamant that I'm not a townie than congrats you have your first mislynch. I'm done defending this little issue with the timing of my unvote.
457 That looks like it would be the turn out if you have seen the events that have taken place.

498 Mmm called it.
500 Vote: Shad I don't like the vibes i'm getting from him. His tone is scummy to me as well.

****** Elaborate on Shad.

518
1. It's because I actually know her meta and personality outside of DM so I can figure it out better than you.
2. I'm pretty pissed atm over the close minded thoughts you and others seem to be having
3. I don't AtE
4. If you haven't noticed the early suspicion always gets bandwagoned at the end of almost every D1.

528 It's simply that I don't like your tone in the first few pages of D1 coupled with the fact that you give me bad vibes.
544 I don't really know how to explain my gut reads very well. I just know what I have pointed out.

711  I forgot about the question at first and don't really understand why it is being asked. I read the other answers first but it just seems like WIFOM.
******Not sure.

712  Also Nolders absence is long since his last post.
713 Penn
1. Why does Shad feel iffy? (I stated it later in thread.)
2. Why Laine/what are you waiting for?  (I was scum once with Laine in TUS and feel like I can read her well.)

778  She just watched me in a game that I was scum in. It ended badly..
781  Anyways I'm back and can do some posts before work.
785  Semi confident as usual. It's just my strongest lead atm and there could be a chance that I'm wrong. Nolder what is your read on me/wish?
791  @cass I attempt I lost it yesterday but it's because I want someone to at least recognize that I'm different from my two games on this site that I randed scum. I always get instant scum read when I'm playing town usually. It just doesn't help that people try and pressure me because I do lose my cool. Take that as you wish.

879 Unvote Ok. Shad is actually shaping up it seems. Ugh I need to reread I think.
883 Thinking about your recent scum hunting while at work. I need to interact with Turin, Pral, and Csarmi more.
907 Writing a reads list now.

918- Celeste's reads list

Pizza: Scum hunting and overly good townish tone.
Cass: Reminds me of the two games I have played with her where we were both town. I haven't seen her as mafia but she is analyzing the thread and scum.
Wish-tree: Gut vibe and the fact that is she is spewing how well she reads me. The only reservation I have is buddying.
Laine: I want to see her post thoughts and I have a tiny voice in my head saying she is probably town.
Zander: He baffles me and honestly I don't know how to read him. His thought process of Wish/I read though is townish.
Csarmi: Need to see more of his posts/interact a bit.
Turin: Need to see more of his posts/interact a bit.
Leno: Absolutely null.
Shad: Confuses me a lot and just makes me switch reads a lot.
Kaylee: Confuses me a lot and just makes me switch reads a lot.
Nolder: Something about his question reminded me of Rustlemania. It just doesn't seem like he is town. Although he is fairly absent which makes him null.
Pralaya: Needs to post more but he also reminds me of his play in TUS.

925 Today was slow catch up after I came back from work.
928 It's a slight one and usually I don't have a lot of scum reads till after a flip.
936 How can you be sure that there aren't any home site differences? The Org felt like they have very open players while PerC is a bit closed and hard to read.
940 She has only played scum in turbos and that is rare. Full games lately have been town roles.
972  Besides what I have said in my reads list, it seems like fluff posts keep popping up after a discussion. That kind of gives of a safe area for scum.
984  How many scum games have you lost and won compared with your town games.

1108  Turin seems to be looking for any loose info to twist. Reminds me of the time I tried to get away with Tanya's lynch in Raganorak but Mish called me out for wrong facts. It just looks like poor mafia play a bit.
****** CAN BE TRYING TO LYNCH A TOWNIE AFTER SUSPICIONS HAVE BEEN LAID DOWN

1110  It also looks like a change of tone from the null posts you pointed out Pizza. It took a forced turn instead of naturally asking questions tone. The thing is it doesn't look like he follows up with his questions.
1128  Lenlo I really suggest you read Raganorak for differences in my play. I was a godfather in that game hydrating with Wish. We are different this game.
1130  @Zander Curosity and also for seeing inconsistencies down the road.
**** This is the post that led me back to the second Shad town bomb.

1139  Then you must remember that my focus was different. I was much more around to screw info and stick to one person here. My reads didn't have many nulls. Your wtl is wrong here.
1149  Why can't you just look over facts? All your doing really is sheeping a case you didn't even make.
1160  I'm really not sure because it looks like everybody is just townie and I need something more. A flip, a mislynch, even a slip so I don't make a mistake. What's really making me get sort of reaction like is that people won't even look at my other games here that I was mafia in except shad.
1174  Look at my reads list, I don't really have strong scum reads. Let me ask you this then Do I look uniformed or informed in my posts?
1212 Turin said he would be around tomorrow right? Then why did he claim now when deadline is tomorrow and he said he would be around?
1219 Isn't that a bit contradictory then?
******Wierd but I still think a wolf doesn't keep pushing this angle right now.

1243  Dude not everybody can be super obvious town and have the same generic tells. You might not like this post but it's true
1256  Well I have posted a lot more here than my other games I'm currently in.

 

 

2 worrisome points:

 

Post 711 felt a little off.

Post 1108 I think it's plausible that a wolf tries to help me lynch Turin there before he claimed. After all, I did the work.

 

1 questionable point

 

Post 1219 Again pushing Turin, but after he claimed. I'm pretty sure a wolf would have dropped it by then, however.

 

Green stuff:

 

She's reminding everyone over and over again something she feels is important to her, which is the differences between this game and 2 prior games on this site where she was scum. So she believes it and believes that it should exonerate her. Without even looking, I believe that she believes that.

 

I'm still going to check, like I checked Nolder's note-taking claim. I saw it. I don't need to see additional links from Nolder.

 

I will check out Celeste's story, but I think she's nailed her defense. We're just too lazy to go see it.

 

I don't know about her leans list, but I believe her struggles in finding a wolf today. I also believe it would be even more difficult for someone who can't find wolves day one anyway, and needs more data. Day one is my weakest day and I'm trying my guts out here. And finally, if she is posting here a lot more than other games, that generally indicates she's a townie.

 

When stuff is going well for you and you're a wolf and you're in several games, you generally do jack squat.

 

And blue:

 

I believe that if she's really different from her last two games as scum, and it's that apparent, then after I see that for myself then that was her solid defense.

 

I don't believe she just radically changed her whole scum game and I'm seeing the villager-frustration and the villager-WIM, and the villager-TELLing us how to read her.

 

So this doesn't feel like much of a limb. It's based on her body of work.

 

So I had questions and issues but I don't think we vote Celeste today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

leads ---> reads or leans.

 

Kind of blended together.

[Pralaya]

Ok, I caught upto 30 pages. Not able to do more than that per day.

 

So far, I have a feeling Turin is town. Based on my experience with him, his vote on Shad seems towny. It is usually the sort of reason he votes but as scum, he is not that straightforward. 

So is Nolder. The whole reaction test thing that he did and his insistence to play the way he wants to play says town.

 

I am fine with Zander and SHad too. Zander is more subtle as scum which I don't see in this game. 

Pizza, I only have a couple of games with him and the tone I am seeing is townish. 

 

I am not feeling good about Kaylee. She seems to get convinced very easily - I noticed at least a couple of instance - feeling as if she is trying to get townie points. Playing a very safe game.

 

The interesting thing that I could see is that people were hardly voting till page 24 or so. Turin had a vote, Cass had a joke vote and it was more of discussions. It was almost as if the scum was itching to either follow an easy vote or start a train. THen Lenlo votes Celeste and gives a vibe as if he is testing something. And, Celeste votes Shad (who already had one vote). BOth these sounded a bit forced at that point in game. Don't see them both as wolf.

[Pralaya]

Reads upto page 30:

 

Turin

Nolder

Zander

 

Pizza

Shad

 

Alanna

Csarmi

Cass

Wish

 

Lenlo/Celeste

Kaylee

[wish-tree]

Look at what Pizza just posted and tell me he's a wolf while looking me in the eye, Nolder. How is that wolfy?