A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Thane Vakarian]

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf. 

 

Why? 

 

i've read through the entire game in one go to start with. I don't like her gameplay this game. Also i'm quite convinced that her flip will be valuable for town.

[Thane Vakarian]

Only a couple hours left.  To clarify, we need to reach that minimum number of votes given by Clov in order for a lynch to happen or just more votes than any other person being voted?

good question... checked the rules and it's not specified (well, i can't find it, anyways). I guess most votes would be lynched, but then again, it could be raondomized too. We have mods like that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

iTS D2 guys, the hammer is that number, not a minimum. We know this because of end of d1

 

back to sleep

[Leelou]

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf.

I would like some substantial reasons for this.

[Verbal32]

 

Sili - Beren Erchamion, town vanilla has been modkilled for post editing.

I've got your back, brother.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

Sili was doing some good work here.

 

 

 

Why aren't you people listening to Sili? Verb is scum, yall.

 

I'm not scum.  I'll catch up on the last couple pages and then tell you why.

[Leelou]

It's a hybrid hammer game. Darthe said so somewhere in the thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Official Vote Count Ten:

 

 

Pizza (1/13): Eldrick

Yates (3/13): AJ, Leelou, Sili

Eldrick (1/13): Pizza

Alot (1/13): Yates

Hally (1/13): Talya

Seph (2/13): Sooh, EP

 

Not Voting (15/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane, Krak, Taborline, Tress, Batassery, Laine, Tina, Seph, Dice, Zander, Verb, Hally

 

 

With 24 alive, it's 13 to lynch!  Deadline is 12:15 AM EST on Wednesday, the 13th.  

 

see

[Taborline]

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf. 

 

Why? 

 

 

Yes, why Leelou? I understand Pizza's reasons for Verb, but not Leelou yet.

 

I'm sorry I have been really in the shadows, it's taken me quite some time to get comfortable here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's a hybrid hammer game. Darthe said so somewhere in the thread.

what does that term mean?

[Verbal32]

I didn't like how Verb started off, with his nonchalant attitude and skimming. It wasn't scummy, but it was annoying. I'm glad it didn't continue.

 

Ok. Verb mentions that he's protecting Sooh, when Yates says he has a bullet for her. Not sure if this is a PR soft claim or not, but it is a point in Verb's favor.

 

Not sure why he specifically mentions Pizza off of seph's town list. He hadn't mentioned him yet.

 

Somewhere between post 865 and post 874, Verb goes from 'not being able to read Pizza' to 'Pizza is probably town'. Going to look more into this.

 

Verb thinks the back and forth between AJ and Yates 1.0 is w/w. Different team members scumhunting each other. When Yates summarizes the interactions, and asks if he is misconstruing it, Verb says that he is being accurate. Being he also believes that they are both wolves, this comes off to me as a townie helping mafia build a case on another mafia.

 

Verb asks for Leelou to give her opinion on his posts @ Yates, because he trusts her. Why should he trust her, if he doesn't know her alignment?

 

I'm perfectly ok with him replying who he would want to lynch as "probably seph" and not voting yet. He was asked a question, not building a case and committing a vote.

 

I agree with Verb, about Krak townreading everyone atm. If you don't have time to sort them, you have them in null, not town. Point against Krak. Null for Verb here, as feeling this way doesn't affect alignment.

 

I have to quote this part, to show the blatant inconsistency:

 

 

Why do you feel good about Sooh being village?

 

There's enough interest in voting for her that I think her team would be bussing her at this point.

 

I've spoken to her for a very long time in a short time frame before the game on a personal basis and there's nothing out of character for her in this entire game.

 

 

The bold helps, btw, but still not enough to mark her town (which you're obviously doing).

 

Bolding the part that mentions 'her team would be bussing her', and then claiming that he is 'obviously marking her as town'. I haven't heard town referred to as a team, in reference to bussing. This feels really off.

 

Verb gives flak about not unvoting a claimed PR that isn't cc'd, but then defends his own not removing because Yates got names mixed up, and he didn't unvote until THAT was resolved. Why so hypocritical? That is not a reason to continue voting a claimed PR. Not trusting it, sure. Because they mixed up names? No.

 

I've already addressed my view on the feeling of Sooh and Leelou not being w/w. What you're saying is they can't both be w, but you have already discussed the idea of the teams 'scumhunting' each other. Not happy with the inconsistency. They could both be wolves. Implying that is isn't an option is bad.

 

You completely misread that in a way I can't even accurately explain.  Read it again.

[Verbal32]

 

How did Verb know Tina was going to vote him without reading the thread?

He did read the thread. He was lying because he's guilty.

 

 

No.  Try not to make assumptions when you have zero knowledge of site meta.  Tina tunnels me ALL THE TIME.  She'll admit it.  When she's Cop, I'm her N1 view.  She votes me early and often in most games.  It was an educated guess as I entered the thread in a jokey way.

 

Any attempt to case that is bad and you should feel bad.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf.

I would like some substantial reasons for this.

 

Tina asked me why i voted you to which i replied here.

 

i've seen you in both town and wolf games... and i don't get the town impression from you in this one. 

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm at work but will do what i can to keep up to date. 

[Alot]

So basically right now it is between Verbal, Leelou, and maybe Krak.

And TinaHel, I responded to the same question on like the same page or the next, not sure why you didn't see it.  I was prepared to vote at that time to see what the result would be and to get myself into the game, but I wasn't necessarily prepared to put down my lynch vote yet.  I prefer that vote to actually make a difference.  Right now I'm deciding between Verbal who everyone else seems to have a case on and Leelou who I didn't like the reaction of, and agree has given my a gut scumread from my read through.  I'm waiting to see Verbal's defense before voting?

[Verbal32]

 

 

Somewhere between post 865 and post 874, Verb goes from 'not being able to read Pizza' to 'Pizza is probably town'. Going to look more into this.

 

So I went back to check (Page 44, if you want to look yourself).

 

In the span of 15 mins, with no interaction with or about Pizza whatsoever, Verb has a drastic view change on him.

 

 

I agreed with some of his posts that I hadn't read when I originally said no read.

[Verbal32]

 

Things got interesting last night and this morning I see.  So the case on verbal right now is inconsistency and that Sili thought he was scum and Sili flipped vanilla town?  And I guess he was one of the ones that didn't unvote Yates1.0?

Pretty much, yea.

 

 

I unvoted Yates.

[Niniel]

 

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf. 

 

Why? 

 

i've read through the entire game in one go to start with. I don't like her gameplay this game. Also i'm quite convinced that her flip will be valuable for town.

 

 

That is still no reason.

 

 

 

I read through all of Laine´s posts. The reason for that is that she was one of a few that I felt had posted a lot, but I never remembered her saying much. I was wrong. Up until recently I think she has played a good game. 

 

The thing I´m wondering about is this: She says that we shouldn´t rely on meta reads but focus on this game. At the same time she pointed out something that Seph had done in an earlier game (something like it´s normal from him to jump around mentally) and then she said Verb was acting like normal which was townie of him. After that she has voted Verbal. 

[Yates]

@Pizza:

Tina tunnels me ALL THE TIME.  She'll admit it.  When she's Cop, I'm her N1 view.

This much of Verb's argument is true. Tress is my Tina. She ALWAYS cops me N1. Always. It's a known reality that we joke about in good fun.

 

Verbal is probably still scum - but not for that reason.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf.

I would like some substantial reasons for this.

Tina asked me why i voted you to which i replied here.

 

i've seen you in both town and wolf games... and i don't get the town impression from you in this one.

That's not really a reason.

[Leelou]

I'm in line at line at Starbucks and can't post more right now.

[Verbal32]

 

Things got interesting last night and this morning I see.  So the case on verbal right now is inconsistency and that Sili thought he was scum and Sili flipped vanilla town?  And I guess he was one of the ones that didn't unvote Yates1.0?

 

That's the case, but there's more to Verbal than just a case being made.

 

 

If I was inconsistent, since when is that a scumtell?  Town make small mistakes all the time.  My problem with Yates 1.0 was that I pointed out this mistake of his (I didn't know it was a mistake at the time - try and see that POV), and he took his lovely time admitting that was the case.  Until that point, I was committed to his lynch.

 

That Yates himself isn't seeing this is causing me great concern.  That others are simple piggybacking on a case based on me pushing Yates because he was mixing 2 names up.....really?  How would I know that?  To me, he had made a mistake and was trying to ignore it.  Townies own up to their mistakes, and scum try to hide it.  This case is awful.

 

 

 

 

 

Pizza, why the scum read on Talya?

 

What else do you have to contribute about Verb, if there's more to the case?

 

I explained Talya's vote was an instant scum read and it had very little villageriness to it, and it's just sitting there on the wrong person. I hate that vote.

 

Verbal I also explained is either a gut read or he's my peek.

 

But it's also quite obvious he's a wolf either way.

 

 

Your case on me is that I'm a gut read and I lied when I entered the thread?  Is this real life?

[Verbal32]

You will not lynch me easily.  I'm not in the mood to be mislynched, so I expect a better case than "Verbal pushed Yates 1.0 on a mistake which was scummy of Verbal to do", "Verbal lied when he said he didn't read the thread yet in his first few posts", or "Verbal said Yates 1.0 and AJ could be w/w but then think Pizza might be town".

 

I might not have that last one accurate - correct me if so.

[Yates]

Any attempt to case that is bad and you should feel bad.

Don't be a jerk. He doesn't know meta. Just explain it and move on.

[Verbal32]

Going to get breakfast - back in a little bit (< 30 min).

[Verbal32]

 

Any attempt to case that is bad and you should feel bad.

Don't be a jerk. He doesn't know meta. Just explain it and move on.

 

 

Shut it.  You're a jerk all the time with your tone, so don't lecture me on it.  If he takes offense, I'll apologize after the game......but saying I'm scum without any meta on me or this site for the reason he gave is atrocious.