[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I'm one of those people who don't remember names very well in real life. My mood is pliable, and I have a kinesthetic memory. Even though kinesthetic only conveys a little about the way I catalogue events it's a hallmark archetype so it might be useful as far as labels go. More importantly I seem to gauge events through emotional feedback, filling in the blanks automatically. I compare patterns, I remember patterns, and I feel this or that long before I think this or that. The more I go over a specific piece of information the more easily accessible it is, but unfortunately my verbal and visual cognitive functions aren't up to par. I tend to compensate by applying patterns and inference. I usually only need a very small sample to do a lot of guess work because of my tacit pattern recall.

 

Another way of putting it is, I look at a thing and my head can see the outlines of a bigger thing. This projection isn't necessserily true, or outside the box, and narrowing it down so I'm looking at the right patterns from the right angle is usually what I'm doing in a game, but it is useful for intuitive leaps. Yet I sometimes assume answers are quite obvious and everyone is thinking from the same page and it can look like an inconsistency when I'm not careful.

 

Like right now, the way my mood is, I think it's thane and clov. To get at this I need to ignore the small concerns about bfg, the fact I'm afraid I'm wrong about thane because i've misread him in the past, and the fact lynching clov is daunting and I might very well be wrong anyway. Also tress, but I've said enough about her.

 

But my mood will change and my small concerns, my nagging doubts, and the fears will get the better of me, and new concerns will take their place.

 

So in regards to my op at the start of the day, i was thinking from a page where jmm's claim was already considered outlandish.

 

Sili - wow. I actually really liked that post, or most of it.

 

I'm not sure how 'not remembering names' IRL relates to the game or your description of yourself, but most of the rest of it actually makes sense - in relation to how I mostly read your play and in relation to what I know about myself. With the caveat that this could still be a very clever Wolf post (it's somewhat reminiscent 'strategy'-wise of Kiv) it actually doesn't really have that feel or tone. You may be sucking me in, but for once I'm not feeling like I'm almost certainly walking into a trap. The only thing I'm really iffy about here is the considerable link to emotion that you've used in your description of yourself - I see/sense/interpret you as more of a brain person than an emotional sensor and I don't actually see you 'gauging events through emotional feedback' or (emotionally) 'feeling' patterns before you think them. 

 

I think this could be potentially a problem with the words you've used, rather than with what you may be trying to say. For example, what you're saying there would match my sense of you more clearly if instead of saying that you 'feel' patterns before you think them you had said that you actually 'know' or 'have' them automatically - like a mathematician who 'knows' an 'answer' to a complicated problem even before he sits down and writes out/learns how the steps and results of the actual answer are correct. Mentally intuitive rather than emotionally intuitive, if that makes sense? (And, is that right/what you were trying to say with the thing about the outlines in your head?).

 

I totally see/sense you working with patterns. All the time. It's one of the things that bugs me with you because patterns are really not my thing. Sensing is, Logic is, and I am one of those 'emotionally' intuitive people - but I really have to work hard to figure the blanks of mental patterns out, most times. Usually, when I gain an 'understanding' of how somebody reaches a conclusion, what I gain is more actually a sense of clean logic relating to where they're coming from and a sense that the conclusion they are proffering is legit, rather than actually understanding why/how the patterns they are indicating are 'right'. I think it's where most of my paranoia comes from, with this game, because patterns are pretty much key. And I am wary of people who use patterns to explain where they're coming from, especially if I don't 'see' what they're explaining early on, and especially if they do it in strange ways because I know they are my weak spot and the place I'm most likely to struggle personally/get tripped up (contextually by clever Wolves). So yes, I see you working with patterns, and I'm wary because I very often don't understand. I don't know if what you're saying (the 'answer' you are giving) is true and I from what you've just said I think it makes it even worse for me when your 'mood' or 'intuitive leaps' start filling in the mental gaps. There will likely be no way I can or will 'follow' you there, and yes, it is likely to seem inconsistent to me when the mood I'm sensing doesn't match what I understand of the pattern you're proffering. There, I am always likely to read you as Wilf deliberately leading me down the garden path, even if you're Town. 

 

If you are a wolf who can consistently do this (have me always 'sensing' that you are Town) and get away with it (good luck!), I have pretty much just handed over the manual on how to keep me floundering for an entire game. However, I have also just seen that you are capable of explaining how you work to me, in a way that I sense is more likely true than false, with mental logic I can understand. So, frankly, I will be immediately on your train if I sense again (in this or any game, correctly or otherwise) that you're trying to dupe me from here on in, I am not convinced that you are not a wolf here, but I'm am sensing that that post was fairly squarely Town - and that it potentially relates to a lot of my concern with you this game. So if you've pulled that off as Wolf here's to you and I'm insta-lynching you in every single game, out of the gate, forevermore lol. You're not completely clear, some of your conclusions are still strange to me (bold red for those reasons - i)I'm developing some 'concerns' about BFG that don't sense 'small' to me, ii)Clov is currently my most-likely Town and iii)whilst I personally felt at the time that jmm's hint was most likely wolfish, I didn't/don't think it could exactly be considered 'outlandish' at any point) so I'm watching you for suss, and I will totally, completely kick myself and be freaked out by this post of yours later if I'm wrong, but

 

[v]unvote[/u]

 

:blink:I think I'm moving on.

 

i'm glad we came to an understanding. You won't regret it =D

 

oh, one thing. i don't think i'm precise enough to be mentally intuitive. it kind of feels like i'm way too scatter-brained to wear that label.

[Yates]

 

Alright. This is a mess.

 

Full Claim: Princess Celestia. Princess of Equestria. Town Doc.

 

A. I'm a Princess. I don't need to steal cake. I have servants GET ME CAKE. :P

B. I protected JMM last night. I was trying to give Tress an out in case she was a Tracker or Watcher. But she just full claimed Cop so I'm calling bullshanks.

 

Aaaaand jmm died because...?

 

Assuming strongman factional kill for balance.

[Songstress]

 

 

Alright. This is a mess.

 

Full Claim: Princess Celestia. Princess of Equestria. Town Doc.

 

A. I'm a Princess. I don't need to steal cake. I have servants GET ME CAKE. :P

B. I protected JMM last night. I was trying to give Tress an out in case she was a Tracker or Watcher. But she just full claimed Cop so I'm calling bullshanks.

 

Aaaaand jmm died because...?

 

Assuming strongman factional kill for balance.

 

 

You'd have been better off lying that you protected Cass.

 

It's a basic game, doll, strongman kiills don't figure, and you done been caught.

[Sili Quirrels]

huh. apparently the small things i noticed were relevant.

 

yates, who is your partner?

[Yates]

It's a basic game, doll, strongman kiills don't figure, and you done been caught.

You are making assumptions.

[Songstress]

clear enough.

 

Now, here, i am hoping that you don't fool me, nor anybody else (you can act, you confirmed that )

 

[vote]Yates[/vote]

 

See, Thane, if I was actually lying, I wouldn't have been admitting I took acting classes immediately before I did it.

 

And unlike SOME people who shall remain nameless *cough*, I don't actually LIKE lying.

[Songstress]

 

It's a basic game, doll, strongman kiills don't figure, and you done been caught.

You are making assumptions.

 

 

 

Oh, so you admit you have a strongman kill then?

 

Guess I'm dead tonight regardless of whether we have a doc or not.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

It's a basic game, doll, strongman kiills don't figure, and you done been caught.

You are making assumptions.

 

but not lying?

[Sili Quirrels]

fwiw gg yates

[Songstress]

fwiw gg yates

 

He's really good at this.

 

He just got unlucky that I'm the one who rolled cop this time. *nods*

[Sili Quirrels]

i'll probably go after clov next.

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm thinking either clov, or bfg, second wolf.

[Thane Vakarian]

but that's for later, first, we'll see how our little Yates will flip.

 

You know you're next anyways should he flip town, right Tress?

[Yates]

but not lying?

I don't think she's lying.

This is too big of a gambit for Scum Tress to pull off [no offense].

 

Thing is, in a game this small - assuming two scum - balance dictates scum need counter measures. That means some array of strongman/redirection/GF... something along those lines.

 

She's right about one thing; I started suspecting she might have tracked me to JMM when she was talking to you. But at that point I was assuming it was just a track and I could talk my way out of it. I don't think I can talk my way out of a cop guilty. Oh well.

 

Good luck, Town.

[Songstress]

but that's for later, first, we'll see how our little Yates will flip.

 

You know you're next anyways should he flip town, right Tress?

 

He won't. No question.

[Yates]

You know you're next anyways should he flip town, right Tress?

Only if she's alive tomorrow morning. With the pool this small, scum won't be able to risk keeping her alive.

[Thane Vakarian]

i doubt that there'd be advanced roles in a basic game. 

[Songstress]

i'll probably go after clov next.

 

 

i'm thinking either clov, or bfg, second wolf.

 

Based on reading Yates' ISO (which I did after picking on you at the beginning of the day, Sili) and other various interactions, I'm guessing Clov is the best bet.

[Sili Quirrels]

Clov replied to my yates tunnel like scum too. meh.

[Yates]

You're jumping the gun. Why don't you have this conversation at night post flip? You're going to be having a completely different conversation.

[Thane Vakarian]

for me, i never wrote Clov off as a suspect, and i think i was clear about that throughout the game.... 

[Songstress]

 

but not lying?

I don't think she's lying.

This is too big of a gambit for Scum Tress to pull off [no offense].

 

Thing is, in a game this small - assuming two scum - balance dictates scum need counter measures. That means some array of strongman/redirection/GF... something along those lines.

 

She's right about one thing; I started suspecting she might have tracked me to JMM when she was talking to you. But at that point I was assuming it was just a track and I could talk my way out of it. I don't think I can talk my way out of a cop guilty. Oh well.

 

Good luck, Town.

 

 

You're good, but you realize you're asking us to accept that in an 8 player basic game, there are:

 

Town Doc

Town Cop

 

Mafia redirector (to give me a guilty on you)

AND Mafia strongman kill (to cause jmm to die when you allegedly protected him)

 

Isn't it much simpler to believe that you're just really mafia? 

[Sili Quirrels]

[v]yates[/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

for me, i never wrote Clov off as a suspect, and i think i was clear about that throughout the game.... 

You're still a suspect too.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

 

but not lying?

I don't think she's lying.

This is too big of a gambit for Scum Tress to pull off [no offense].

 

Thing is, in a game this small - assuming two scum - balance dictates scum need counter measures. That means some array of strongman/redirection/GF... something along those lines.

 

She's right about one thing; I started suspecting she might have tracked me to JMM when she was talking to you. But at that point I was assuming it was just a track and I could talk my way out of it. I don't think I can talk my way out of a cop guilty. Oh well.

 

Good luck, Town.

 

 

You're good, but you realize you're asking us to accept that in an 8 player basic game, there are:

 

Town Doc

Town Cop

 

Mafia redirector (to give me a guilty on you)

AND Mafia strongman kill (to cause jmm to die when you allegedly protected him)

 

Isn't it much simpler to believe that you're just really mafia? 

 

like i said here.. yeah...