[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[hazelkrs1]

Step 1. Drop scumtells in thread

Step 2. Get called out on said scumtells

Step 3. Say you're "not giving opposition talking points"

Step 4. Profit???

[hazelkrs1]

Almost forgot

 

Step 5. Act smarter than anyone who questions you during entire process

 

[csarmi]

#FullWestley

[DPR]

Almost forgot

 

Step 5. Act smarter than anyone who questions you during entire process

 

 

Fixed

[DPR]

#FullWestley

 

Girl, please.

[Nynaeve]

I've only managed to do Verbal's ISO so far. I will try to do Barm's a bit later but no promises. Got a bit of a migrane. 

 

 

Verbal ISO

 

 

 

 

So his OP as far as I can see is quoting Salami and calling him scum.  In these quotes it's basically Salami calling Lee's 'sup' a townie post and him asking Thane if he's scum. First of all his lack of humorous entrance to the game kinda sticks out to me. I haven't gone into the trouble of searching through all of his games to verify, but from memory, he usually does come in with a jokey manner and builds up to seriousness. So this should be noted.

 

Secondly, we just came out of the Firefly game where I built a case on Salami and pointed him doing the exact same thing (he ended up being town). Ie starting off the game throwing town reads for stupid reasons and asking people if they’re scum as if they’d actually tell him if they were. Is it redundant play? Sure. But Salami does this as town. Verbal is aware of it and it feels a tad opportunistic that he’s trying to use salami’s typical bad play to push him right off the bat.

 

Salami of course says he is not scum. And Verb nudges him again with… okay, so SK? Lectures Thane about reading the rules after he shows amazement at Yates’ claim.

 

Verbal engages Yaetes about the 3 amigo thing and doesn’t get how it’s crossing a line if one of them could just fib on it if they rolled scum. Keeps on the convo with him saying that if he can’t lie to AJ and Dice with this shtick then they prolly can’t be friends. I am getting a bad feeling from the exchange. I feel like Verbal gave him the opening to say that he was incapable of lying to them , polishing his image of being a great humanitarian lol  Then they sort of diss each other a bit. Meh.

 

Darthe questions how come Verbal hasn’t brought him up yet. Verbal says he’s not cool enough. Lol

 

Then more exchange with Yates where he tells him he has honor and won’t lie if he rolled scum. Verbal says he doesn’t wanna spam the thread about it, yet he keeps talking about it. States the whole thing doesn’t make sense to him but that he sees his point. Whaaa? Lol

 

Then again says, yeah lets not derail…. But keeps going about it not having anything to do with honor. Blab la bla. I tell ya, for someone who’s allegedly trying to drop it, he’s certainly going on and on about it.

 

Then Verbal posts ONE spiderman meme. FOUR minutes later Arsis slaps him with a vote with the lame excuse that Lee said once that he’s scum when he posts spiderman memes. Now I admit that me already having a scum read on Pral/Arsis slot might be making me biased but come on. This looks like a blatant set up where Verbal is giving Arsis room for distancing. He posts ONE meme and Arsis posts minutes later, jumping up his throat over it? Please. Ladies and gentleman, this feels like a DUH moment. HUGE ASS FoS.

 

Verbal responds with… hey didn’t you just see TownVerb post a bunch of spidey memes in a previous game?  He never actually gets a response from Arsis about this, btw. Nor asks for it again.Instead Verb immediately jumps Leelou when she says that him spamming with spidey memes is a red flag. Remember, up until this point Verbal only posted TWO spidey memes. Ie Leelou wasn’t actually FoSing him here. Just stating a FACT.

Anyways. Verbal is claims that what Leelou said is a ping. That she knows the amount of memes posted is proportional to the atmosphere of the thread and NOT alignment indicative. 

 

So Leelou responds with. You’re known to bury the thread with spidey memes when you’re scum. He responds with “Really? Can you help me remember when I did this?”. Lee responds it was a while ago, while Des mentions he did it when they were both scummies. He says Des wins points and Lee lost points. Of course this whole exchange means Verbal is full of it. As Des indicated and Verbal himself confirmed, spamming spidey memes IS alignment indicative. So his earlier responses to Leelou were a lie. He can claim that this was a test reaction to Leelou because he might not have foreseen Des interjecting… but at this point it just looks bad. Leelou’s flip makes it look worse. Anyways, he decides to give Des brownie points that redeem his feelings about Salami.  >.>

 

Verbal moves on to nudging Thane. Thane suggested a salami/Verbal scum team as a reactionary test and Verbal questions if he was really testing them and developing reads or doing it for the sake of doing it. Seems like an empty exchange. As in… Thane said it… no one reacted…  Verbal admitted to skimming Thane’s post and missing it. So why is he suddenly turning it around on Thane? Not following him at all. Thane says he might have odd methods but at least he’s trying. Verbal is all woah! Don’t get defensive. I’m just trying to understand! Keeps this seemingly meaningless exchange with Thane. I don’t know, I don’t feel like he’s really trying to pick Thane’s brain. I feel like he’s padding his thread presence. 

 

Then he says, and I quote “Well, I didn't say much about it because I was on your case for "silly stuff" last game and you were town.  Due to me misreading you, I'd rather sit back and observe more.” This is a lie. Earlier he told Thane he didn’t react to the suggestion because he skimmed through his posts and missed it. Now he’s saying he did see it but experience from past games held him back and he rather sit back and observe? I bet he does. FoS!

 

Then he backs up Barm about having notes as if that means anything. Noted. Then he agrees with Arsis when he says that he’s yet to see a game where Thane doesn't get called scum day 1. And that he votes for him every time and he's town 99% of the time. Okay. Still don’t get what’s the point of that being brought up, as I said at the time. Still remains unclear. Keeps discussing with Salami how to read Thane. Arsis jumps in to soft defend Verbal and says he’s the one who brought up all the Thane talk and Verbal just commented.  Arsis FoSes me and says it looks like scum taking a hard stance on something to seem like they’re doing something. Verbal AGREES with him. Really? Don’t recall him following up on this FoS of me.

 

Then Krak asks him what is his angle on Thane. Verbal says he has none. So, he spent a handful of posts talking about Thane, his meta, previous games. But when asked about it he says he has no angle. So… what’s the point of this discussion? Is he town reading Thane? Is he scum reading Thane? Oh so he’s reading him as Null? Then why the whole Thane talk? I just don’t follow AT ALL and he obviously didn't infer anything from the conversation so I don't get what gives.

 

Fluff about vote tags.

 

Dice walks in at some point and says he gets what Yates is talking about (honor bla bla). Verbal replies with: Well at least SOMEBODY does. So trying to look confused? I mean he did have an exchange with Yates. Said he got his point. So shooting for the confused townie isn’t a good look for him. Lee said just nod and smile. And then he asks her if SHE knows what this is all about. 

 

Then Darthe questions him about the whole thing with Lee and her response about the memes. Verbal gives the garbage response of how he expects Lee to answer differently than other people. BS, BS and more BS. What she said was either true or false. He confirmed what Des said. Plus we now know she was town.  He’s backtracking. On what universe should he expect Lee to say anything that isn’t the truth? Lol  Like seriously? Wombat nudges Verbal about the same as Darthe did. Verbal directs him to his response to Darthe and says that’s his weird complicated way of accurately reading Leelou. Apparently not. :P

 

When Darthe calls him out about saying he’s going to observe he says that he already posted a bunch and some people haven’t even checked in. So he felt comfortable sitting back an observing.  He did post quite a bit but there wasn’t much content to it aside from the Thane talk, fluff and his thick prod at Lee. He hasn’t really talked about much else. And he didn’t even end up getting a lean on Thane after the whole Thane talk… so like… what content does he feel like he shared with the rest of us that he can now go have a nap? Lol

 

When leelou asks him if he’s gonna address her uneasiness about him he replies with: I hope so and lols. Erm. Okay?

 

Then Verbal calls out Kivam’s vote on Silli, says it’s confirmed that he didn’t read the OP and that there are vigs with NK as well. This is prolly the only actual good point he made since the game started. He quotes the setup to Kivam. Then throws a one liner post of Silli is prolly town. He didn’t interact with him or spoke of him at any point. Then he throws that comment and doesn’t explain why. Ironic considering he walked into the game FoSing Salami for doing the very same thing. Lol

 

More fluff.

 

Makes a good point against Kivam’s vote on Sili. That makes two good points and a gazillion pings. Neat.

 

Then he doesn’t post for about a day and a half and when he does resurface, he cherry picks a post of Krak where he asks dice why did he feel the need to explain his unvote on Cass. He asks him why he felt the need to ask that. Seems like a random post to respond to, personally. At the time it seemed odd to me that he missed a day and a half and chose that as the ONLY thing to respond to. Comes across like… oops I haven’t posted in a while… need to post something so no one would notice me slanking.

 

Anyways later he reiterates that he doesn’t like Kivam’s vote on Sili (for like the third time.... we got it) and that he’s not defending Sili, but attacking Kivam’s reasoning behind the vote.

 

Then he stopped posting cause of his business trip.

[Tommyrod]

Vote Count D2.6:

 

Pral (2): Nyn [#1923], Thane [#1931]

Wombat (2): Kivam [#1906], Deslami [#2025]

DPR (1): Cass [#2041]

 

Unvote (1): Pral [#1985]

 

Not Voting (10): AJ, Darthe, Dicesalad, DPR, Hallia, Krak, Rags, Tress, Verbarm, Wombat

 

At the gallows: Pral

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

[hazelkrs1]

Did a quick DPR iso:

 

 

 

[Nynaeve]

lol

[DPR]

Did a quick DPR iso:

 

 

 

 

You finally decided to play!

 

Now, if I can get you to stop confusing naval lint as clues my work here will be done.

[DPR]

For the skimmers who will re-post this in their cases, I am intentionally provocative to get a little discussion going, especially form lurkers.

 

 

Did a quick DPR iso:

 

 

You finally decided to play!

 

Now, if I can get you to stop confusing naval lint as clues my work here will be done.

 

 

 

And by "my work here will be done", I mean with you. I still have a long list of others to save...

[Cass]

[v]##unvote[/v]

[TheRagnarok]

Guys, DPR being a condescending douche ITT doesn't make him scum. And the way Yates tried to push him makes him look good.

[hazelkrs1]

Guys, DPR being a condescending douche ITT doesn't make him scum. And the way Yates tried to push him makes him look good.

I agree this makes him less likely to be mafia. He COULD still be SK however.

[hazelkrs1]

Then again, if he WAS SK, I prob would've been his first target lol

[Nynaeve]

Barm ISO

 

 

 

OP: First to post… posting… first! Lol

 

Then there’s the one post of his that probably bugged me the most (along with Verbal’s general behavior) which made me mention several times that they’re giving me the bad juju. Which is him commenting about Leelou’s reaction to Salami calling her townie for saying ‘Sup’. She said it was a generic post of hers, ie null (I'd say even null to town). Which is completely correct. And Barm is like hmmm… weird that she’s defending herself against an accusation of being town. This is a complete misrepresentation. I know it’s easy to say this now that we know her flip…. But why on earth would this be a point of interest? A scum would happily accept being townread. A townie would be suspicious over someone giving them a town read over nonsense. Lee’s reaction, if anything, was a light town tell and I think Barm trying to point it out as if it’s off is iffy.

 

Leelou’s reply to Barm is “Not really, that shouldn't be judged as a townie or non townie post.” Again, correct. At this point Darthe jumps in saying this looks like guilty conscience. WHAAA?? Lol seriously? So Wombat points out Darthe’s post and asks Salami if it rustles his rigor jammies. Barm quotes Wombat and asks if it rustles HIS rigor jammies. 

 

Later on in between Verbal and Yates discussion about the 3 amigos where Verbal keeps saying he rather not talk about it, as he continues talking about it…. Barm interjects and asks how exactly did that work last game where he was scum with Lee and me. I think this is an excellent point, actually.

 

Then he drops a vote on Thane, saying he’s made only one contribution to the thread so far and all the rest was fluff. I don’t like this vote, really. Even for a D1 vote. It was only page 8 and what exactly did Barm or Verbal bring to the game for that matter? All Barm did was nudge Leelou about something that makes zero sense. That’s about it. I’m not even sure if I got all ‘serious’ by page 8. Overall lame reasoning and bad vote. Added to that… I will touch this later too but Barm later claims to have said this whole thing to beat the grass and didn't actually mean it. From what I can see, Darthe ate this up and jumped to back him up…… why then didn't he vote Darthe? He didn't seem to make any conclusions from his “Test” and ended up landing a vote on Thane. Missing the flow.

 

Arsis drops the vote on Verbal for posting memes when he’s scum. He reacts with LOL that makes no sense. Null I guess though seems a bit like….. I’m gonna lol at your vote but not actually engage you. I mean, why is this vote not making him think….mmmm… why would Arsis drop such a nonsocial vote?

 

Then Thane responds to the vote on him saying others were spamming too and some people haven’t even shown up and what exactly has Barm contributed so far? Excellent points. Barm claims Thane was the only one spamming… which I disagree with. I spammed here and there. Verbal did spam later on after his ‘serious’ entrance. Thane wasn’t the only one. And jeez, it was only page 8    Then Barm claims to have contributed a ton so far like questioning Wombat, Yates and voting for Thane. Looks like Barm is trying to inflate his contributions thus far. He asked Yates one question about the discworld game and that’s where that convo ended. And he asked Wombat if a post rustled his jimmies and that’s where the convo ended as well. His rationale for voting Thane still seems bogus to me.

 

Then Thane questions him about him musing over them and Salami being scum together. Barm responds with "I’ve given it a lot of thought but then chalked it out to being spam”. So when Thane does post game related content, which it obviously was, he decides it’s spam and ignores it? Lol   Okaaaaaaaaaaaay

 

The exchange between him and Thane continues. Thane asks him if he played in games with crazy amounts of posts before. Barm says yes. Thane asks for his general feelings so far. Barm says he likes Arsis but doesn’t like Darthe so far. Doesn’t explain WHY. Arsis doesn’t really make sense to me. I mean he just dropped a vote on them that according to Barm makes no sense. So what exactly is he liking about him? Darthe makes more sense considering if he actually was beating the grass with what he said to Lee, Darthe ate it up and zoomed in on her. We’ll see.

 

When Krak asks Verbal what’s his angle with Thane, Barm interjects and defends Verbal by saying the vote is all him and he hasn’t even talked to Verbal about it. And yet Verbal spent quite a bit of time discussing Thane with Arsis. In any case he unvotes Thane cause he feels better about his contribution to the game now and he’s also now aware of his scummy meta. Okay.

 

Next stop is commenting on if anyone noticed how weird, erratic and overly defensive Sili is being. It really grates me that he seems to start off the game with FoSing the two players who are usually scummy townies. It’s true that Sili hasn’t reached Thane’s level in mislynches yet…. But I think he’s well on his way to give Thane a run for his money. Meh. 

 

Lee responds saying this is how Silli plays as town. Arsis responds saying he’s actually playing differently than how he last played as town (Pretty sure I posted at some point disagreeing with this). Barm says good to know. Barm feels that Sili’s response is out of proportion and telling. 

He questions Sili why he’s voting Wombat if he doesn’t have a scum read on him. Pretty sure this opens the door to where Tress talks about his vote mattering this early on. Bla bla bla. Barm thinks Tress is right. I find this whole discussion kinda redundant, lunno. I mean sure, Sili shouldn’t be voting for someone if he’s not scum reading him…. What’s there to discuss beyond that? Lol

 

Sili moves his vote to AJ, saying he pinged him since early on. Barm asks him if it’s an OMGUS vote or is there more to it? When Krak nudges me to engage him he prods him asking him when he’s gonna share his thoughts. lol

 

Next he makes a post summing up the amount of votes every player did and who doesn’t have much in the way of content. This post is kinda meh. Like fine, if you want to nudge slankers, go ahead. The vote summation was pointless. And he didn’t infer anything from it. He just vomits the facts and ends the post. What was the point of it? To prove that he is keeping notes? YAY! :P

 

So what do we have from Barm so far? FoSes Thane then feels better about him. FoSes Sili. Likes Arsis, even though he voted Verbal and it didn’t make sense to Barm. And he doesn’t like Darthe, but doesn’t say why. Oh and there’s the occasional prod of other people to share their thoughts even though he’s done a pretty bad job at sharing his…. Only expressing his opinion of like 3 players, and even than not expanding why he has those stances to the most part.

 

Ironically enough he carries on questioning Lee why she doesn’t like Darthe, even though he hasn’t bothered explaining why he doesn’t like him himself. Lee pulls out some quotes to show what bothered her (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?p=3377500) and then Barm is like. That’s EXACTLY why he seems off to me too. I guess life is good when you have someone else formulating a reason for your lean :P   Plus he doesn’t even mention Darthe’s reaction to his push on Leelou.

 

Then as the whole exchange goes on between Krak and me, Barm says he doesn’t like the push on me and that he has me as a town lean. Didn’t really mention me before. Didn’t really explain why I’m a town lean. I’m missing his line of thought throughout his posts. It’s all very organic.

 

Then he argues that anything that Arsis did is still applicable and valid even if Pral subbed in. I completely agree with this but this statement is null, really. Either scum or town could say this. But yeah later on he keeps arguing with Darthe, kinda rattled that he might be suggesting that Pral should get a clean slate. I have to say… this sounds a bit funny to me considering he had a good feeling about Arsis. I can understand him arguing the principle… that’s fine. But I don’t know…. Him arguing that Pral should answer for Arsis’ behavior kinda makes my brain hurt…  I mean if he was townreading Arsis what exactly does Pral have to answer for?  Ugh. Still null, I guess.

 

Then later he asks me why I keep saying I have bad juju on their slot (I think I said it at least twice up until that point). I give him a sum up of things that come to mind, saying he’ll have to wait for the ISO for me to expand. This is the part where he says in response to me and Cass that him saying that thing to Lee at the start of game was just him looking for reactions. I don’t know if I buy it. I mean….. he hasn’t at any point talked about what he inferred from it. And he ended up going after Thane after it which doesn’t connect to what he did….. could very easily be him trying to do damage control. “Oh I was just beating the grass”. Okay. But that’s not enough. Tell us what you learned from it. Just stating why he did it but not sharing what he inferred from it is iffy.

 

So I ask him again…. Did you do it just for reactions, then? And he’s like. Yeah, I said it to see where it goes. SO WHERE DID IT GO???  I see no follow up from him on anything he gathered from this “test.” I don’t know I’m just having a very hard time believing him.

 

Anyways he keeps arguing with Darthe over the Arsis/Pral slot and soft defending Kivam. 

 

Darthe asks him where Verb is, says he’s prolly busy at work.

 

Des asks Barm if he’s backtracking about his Lee prod early on. Barm says no, just clarifying. 

 

Barm accuses AJ of OMGUS when he’s entertaining a CFD on Kivam. 

 

Des keeps pushing Barm about the whole Lee thing. Barm claims to have thrown the comment to Lee and then just observing to see what happens and not bringing it up again until Cass and I questioned him. Then he actually pulls out quotes of Darthe to show how He was blowing it out of proportion. The timing of this bugs me. He should have done this once he felt like he might have been on to something with his ruse.  Ie admit himself that he was not serious and looky what he found here. Instead he didn’t say a word, moved on to voting Thane, said he didn’t like Darthe because of the things Leelou quoted…. Never bringing up his overreaction which would have made a very good reason to FoS Darthe…. And only brought this up when prompted to and FoSed for it, using Darthe as cannon fodder when Des was leaning in on him. Not Bueno, imo.

 

Then he mentions Verbal is on a business trip and he’s on his own for a while.

 

Drops a vote on Sili. This again, bugs me. Like he just fessed up that he was beating the grass and Darthe looked REALLY bad. He also previously mentioned that he didn’t like Darthe, even before he brought up Sili. Why isn’t his vote on Darthe at any point? Seems off.  But yeah, as he votes Sili… apparently cause his posts made him angry and he was AtE… okay?... but also throws in that he’d be willing to lynch Darthe too. I can’t shake this… he has a hell of a lot more reasons to vote Darthe from what I’ve seen in his posts…. This is coming off like an unnatural progression to me. It grates.

 

Questions Cass why Verbal’s name is on her list and not his. Totally redundant question. They’re the same slot and it doesn’t matter. Not Verbal’s fault that he’s more memorable :P

 

Questions Sili how he knows his scum game if from what he remembered he only rolled town. 

 

Agrees with Wombat that Kiv and DPR are hard to read. Bla bla bla.

 

Questions if Kivam positioning himself as town leader is good or bad. Would be nice if he answered that himself, considering he's one of the people who has experience with him.

 

Gets into a discussion with Cass on how to read DPR and Kivam. Would be nice if he spent more time trying to read them as opposed to explaining HOW to do it. Lol  anyways he tells Cass scumhunting is more important than SK hunting. Tells her she should go back and read Yates spew.

 

Anyways he follows through into the whole SK/scum discussion with Kivam. And then into a discussion with Thane about why there were 3 NKs. Kinda nudges Thane about his stance.

 

 

[Nynaeve]

##Unvote

 

##Vote VerBarm

 

 

I still think Pral/Arsis slot if iffy but I think VerBarm have a lot more content I dislike. And if this slot flips the way I think it's gonna flip, I think it's gonna make Pral look worse, considering the nonsical vote Arsis dropped on them minutes after Verbal posted that meme. And then Verbal going after Leelou and completely ignoring Arsis', even though he was the one who voted him for a reason he considered to be false.  Tie that up with Barm having a town lean on Arsis for no apparent reason and despite his vote on their slot making no sense what so ever.... yeah.

[Nynaeve]

Oh and reason for vote can be found in the ISOs I just posted:

 

Verbal ISO: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?p=3380204

Barm ISO: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?p=3380298

 

 

 

No sum ups cause I'm being mean lol  (actually, more like the migraine didn't go away so I can't be arsed).

[TheRagnarok]

 

Guys, DPR being a condescending douche ITT doesn't make him scum. And the way Yates tried to push him makes him look good.

I agree this makes him less likely to be mafia. He COULD still be SK however.

What? No! Being as this is evidently his SOP, it has no bearing on his alignment whatsoever.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Guys, DPR being a condescending douche ITT doesn't make him scum. And the way Yates tried to push him makes him look good.

I agree this makes him less likely to be mafia. He COULD still be SK however.

What? No! Being as this is evidently his SOP, it has no bearing on his alignment whatsoever.

No the condescending douche thing doesn't, sorry if that wasn't clear

 

He could be SK cause of his really fake looking push on Sili yesterday about "evidence", his talking about seer cover more than anyone even while fosing those talking about it, and general evasiveness when people engage him

 

The crazy thing is, I kind of don't WANT him to be scum here, cause were actually being semi reasonable to one another today, and if he IS scum, I could see him devolving the game or painting me out as an emo psycho mess again just to keep town from lynching him. If he's town I'd rather that became more obvious through other means.

 

Unfortunately, he "doesn't want to give the opposition talking points" and I guess that means he's gonna stay in his snake oil salesman outfit and continue being cryptic the rest of the game

 

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry you got a migraine Nyn, I get those from time to time. Sensory deprivation and rest are your friends, at least they are for me when I get one

[WWWwombat]

 

@Des:  I thought it was pretty obvious I was serious about my criticism of Yates' content along with the criticism of the attacks on him.  I don't see a need to answer every single rhetorical question thrown my way, and that's pretty clearly what Yates' question was imo.

 

@Wes, Cass:  Wes, I don't take anything you say at face value.  For the most part, I believe what you've been saying so far though.  As for Kivam, every argument he makes as scum is usually an argument he could make as town.  That's why he's so terrifying.  The difference is one of focus.  As scum, he won't examine certain lines of reasoning that he would as town, and he'll focus on others that he would give minimal attention as scum.  That's why I find his argument about me being the SK as wolfy.  It's internally consistent, but I don't think it's something he'd focus on yet as town.  Of course, I'll be the first to admit I could be biased from my PoV here, but that's my take.

 

@The Entire Game:  Still looks like most of you are on crazy pills.  Possible exceptions being DPR, Rags, and Despo, who may be coming down from them (too early to tell).  I think many of you need to seriously re-evaluate some of your stances.  There seems to be a lot of capricious tone-reading and black-and-white reasoning ITT.  You form reads too easily and stick to them too firmly.  This is the kind of "logic" that lets competent wolves dominate games on DM right now.  You can rarely catch good wolves that way.

 

For instance, of the people in this game, the only people alive who I actually think can tone read me reliably are Verbal and Wes (Kivam can read me well usually, but he doesn't usually go on things like tone in my experience).  Now, Verbal hasn't issued a read on me that I know of, but if you look at Wes, he was scum-reading me well before most of the rest of the game was, and now that everyone else has decided that I looked "off" at EOD, Wes seems to be one of the only people actually trying to play ball with me.  I don't know what Wes thinks of me right now, or if he's town or not, but I'd guess that he's town and that he's ambivalent on me.  Maybe you guys should consider the possibility that you are wrong.

 

Also, I'm really tired of having to write every single bit of my thought process out.  You guys should start inferring some things for yourselves.

 

Bold: It's not as much about you responding to that question specifically, I just think it could be significant that you didn't follow up on Yates at all after that

 

Underlined: All looks kinda wolfy to me tbh. Hedging, and then meta ranting/fluffing

 

Why should town consider you town just because DPR MIGHT not be scumreading you??? DPR is by no means cleared, and even then I don't see him calling you the shining paragon of townness this game

 

SO yeah, you appealing to everyone to like, give you a chance or something, based on that, is kinda weak yo

 

You know what isn't weak? Watching Kawhi get consecutive steals and one man fast breaks on the Lakers. I could literally watch that kind of action every minute of the rest of my life

 

 

 

 

Why should I have pushed someone I didn't see as much scummier than most of the thread?

 

Everything I do looks wolfy to you right now.  This is exactly the kind of attitude I'm talking about Des.  I'm not saying people should town read me just because DPR might not think I'm scum.  I'm saying that, if you are town, you should consider the possibility that you are wrong.  You act like almost everyone you read has to be LOCK CLEAR or LOCK WOLF.  Can't you see how dangerous that attitude is?  It drastically limits the number of scenarios you are willing to consider.  Everything you have said about me recently has been pointing out how every comment I make is wolfy.  How can people take you seriously if you do that?  How can you take yourself seriously?

 

You are still missing some very huge details, Des.  Please unvote me before I am forced to embarrass you.

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Also,

 

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Sorry you got a migraine Nyn, I get those from time to time. Sensory deprivation and rest are your friends, at least they are for me when I get one

 

Ice pack on my forehead helps usually. I pop some aspirins too but it usually doesn't do the trick.

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That's cuz migraines are hardcore.  Lying down in a dark, quiet room is a good idea though.