[BASIC] Star Wars Mafia GAME OVER!!!

[_wolfbrother_]

ATM I just dont see why Ama would claim healer. Being the last pro-town power role surely she should of kept it secret. It really does put a target on her head for scum. if she is town, as she claims, she just made a huge mistake.

 

 

Also, as an aside, ye all do know that in the end Vader was a good guy? He killed Palpatine and brought balance to the Force. Just saying.

[Sedai]

At this time a mass claim was a win win for the town. Out of all the possible players we are left with a list of 4 that could be mafia. In a game this size usually it's a scum team of three. So only one of the four is innocent. I think AMA is, but Nolder is the safe lynch at this time. Because Adella hasn't claimed, Mill says he knows AMA is lying, AMA claimed healer.

[Sedai]

ATM I just dont see why Ama would claim healer. Being the last pro-town power role surely she should of kept it secret. It really does put a target on her head for scum. if she is town, as she claims, she just made a huge mistake.

 

 

Also, as an aside, ye all do know that in the end Vader was a good guy? He killed Palpatine and brought balance to the Force. Just saying.

 

No I didn't know that. Hmm now I don't know what to think. I'm switching back to Adella UNVOTE and

Vote Adella

[bhskeeper11]

Sorry Kate, i didn't mean you as in you personally - but you as in a general way to all the townies.

 

Gotcha... It's okay, I'm just trying to keep up with you all. Half the things you all say goes over my head -- WIFOM, Miller, bussing/bus driver... lol

[bhskeeper11]

Still waiting to hear from Adella.

 

Also still waiting to hear from Red.

 

Their lack of a claim is somewhat suspicious, but my vote is going to remain with Nolder for now.

[Amadine]

Just an aside... Jack you always capitalise my name... why is that? LOL

[Nolder]

Nolder from here: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/56481-welcome-to-dm-mafia/

 

A Basic game will contain standard mafia roles (i.e. Finder/Cop, Healer/Doc, Masons, Vig, SK). There are no recruiting roles or complex roles used, and the mafia/town ratio will be consistent with guides found on the mafiascum site linked above (usually ~25% mafia/scum).

those are examples aren't they?

I'm sure the basic games aren't limited to JUST those roles

[Amadine]

ATM I just dont see why Ama would claim healer. Being the last pro-town power role surely she should of kept it secret. It really does put a target on her head for scum. if she is town, as she claims, she just made a huge mistake.

 

 

Also, as an aside, ye all do know that in the end Vader was a good guy? He killed Palpatine and brought balance to the Force. Just saying.

 

With the Cop and Vig dead there's no power role to protect. If i had just said "Medical Doctor - town" the lack of a major character name still would have painted a target on me. Having revealed, the scum now have to decide if i will protect myself, or will i protect another townie? Creates WIFOM for the scum just fine IMO - of course it won't work if ya'll lynch me LOL

[Sedai]

Autocorrect it thinks your an organization. It doesn't know your an institution. ;)

[Sedai]

I agree that's a good wifom for town

[Amadine]

Nolder from here: http://www.dragonmou...me-to-dm-mafia/

 

A Basic game will contain standard mafia roles (i.e. Finder/Cop, Healer/Doc, Masons, Vig, SK). There are no recruiting roles or complex roles used, and the mafia/town ratio will be consistent with guides found on the mafiascum site linked above (usually ~25% mafia/scum).

those are examples aren't they?

I'm sure the basic games aren't limited to JUST those roles

 

Probably - but i wouldn't consider a roleblocker to be a basic role. Originally Standard games at DM were allowed one of three setups - Basic follows on from standard - and a roleblocker was never used in a standard game.

 

 

[Amadine]

Autocorrect it thinks your an organization. It doesn't know your an institution. ;)

 

LMAO should be IN an institution more like

[Nolder]

Does the fact that you are Darth Vader make you mafia? It could just be because this is my first game, but why would the mod make the all the "good guys" good and the "bad guys" bad. I find your assumption of that (as your reasoning for claiming to be a Miller) to be faulty. I am no Star Wars guru, though I have seen the films, and I thought Boba Fett was "bad." Yet, here, Boba Fett was aligned with the Town.

 

I know it wasn't your idea to claim, but your hesitation to do so is suspicious. You and Ama have now both tried to turn attention on Jack for starting the mass claiming. That, too, is very suspicious.

 

Thus, you and Ama are both top of my list for being mafia.

I said more or less the same thing when I revealed Kate

 

You said it, but apparently were still nervous enough to claim to be a Miller. My logic is that because Boba Fett was "bad" (of course, I could be wrong about that) yet was aligned with the Town, then you should have felt no reason to bolster your Darth Vader claim.

come on man

it's DARTH VADER

he's one of the most well known villains in media

yeah I'm nervous

I have to convince everyone I'm town in spite of that

 

I am confident that if people actually review my actions and general behavior they'll see that I'm town

my worry comes from the fact that they might not even bother to check and will just lynch me simply because of my role name

 

perhaps I worried overmuch and misjudged?

if so I'm sorry but that's just how I feel about it

 

also I didn't turn attention on Jack

that was Ama

I mean I still think massclaiming was really pointless and didn't help anyone but the mafia

but I didn't vote Jack for it

 

it wasn't my idea to claim

remember that

 

You did not come out and say Jack's name, but that statement right there is a reference to him starting the mass claiming. It was more subtle than what Ama did, but I still consider that trying to turn attention back towards him.

I'm not trying to throw pressure on Jack

I'm simply saying that I think it was a bad idea to massclaim

if it was Jacks idea then yeah I guess I'm saying I think Jacks idea was bad and possibly scummy

I'm not trying to divert attention from myself I'm trying to make my own case here and figure things out like everyone else

 

I'll admit I don't trust Jack but if you want my opinion he shouldn't be lynched today if at all

there are better candidates for lynching for now imo (BG, Ama)

[Nolder]

ATM I just dont see why Ama would claim healer. Being the last pro-town power role surely she should of kept it secret. It really does put a target on her head for scum. if she is town, as she claims, she just made a huge mistake.

 

 

Also, as an aside, ye all do know that in the end Vader was a good guy? He killed Palpatine and brought balance to the Force. Just saying.

 

With the Cop and Vig dead there's no power role to protect. If i had just said "Medical Doctor - town" the lack of a major character name still would have painted a target on me. Having revealed, the scum now have to decide if i will protect myself, or will i protect another townie? Creates WIFOM for the scum just fine IMO - of course it won't work if ya'll lynch me LOL

medical doctor?

I thought you were The Medical Robot?

what is a medical doctor? kind of a redundant title isn't it?

[Millon]

hahaha, Lando. The dude Han got the Millenium Falcon from. The guy who destroyed the second Death Star. I could claim any role really as the whole exercise is futile. I don't believe anyone's character call. You shouldn't believe mine. What were you hoping to do with having everyone claim there characters?

Person 1: "I'm Luke"

Person 2: "I'm Luke.......aww, shucks. you got me. I must be scum. boooo"

 

or the other version

Person 1:"I'm Luke"

Person 2:"I'm Luke"

Person 1:"You're an LLL" (I'm proud of myself for remembering this one lol. Lying Liar that Lies hahaha)

Person 2:"You're an LLL"

Person 1:"No. I am Luke and you are scum"

Person 2:"No. I am Luke and you are scum"

 

Isn't example two your definition (or whoever gave the definition) of a WIFOM? I think it's a scum tactic but I think Ama is more scummy for using the chance to try to protect her self more with a role claim.

[Amadine]

Yep you're right Medical Robot - role is Healer. My brain goes faster than my fingers can keep up typing... that and it's late and i should be in bed LOL

[Nolder]

Nolder from here: http://www.dragonmou...me-to-dm-mafia/

 

A Basic game will contain standard mafia roles (i.e. Finder/Cop, Healer/Doc, Masons, Vig, SK). There are no recruiting roles or complex roles used, and the mafia/town ratio will be consistent with guides found on the mafiascum site linked above (usually ~25% mafia/scum).

those are examples aren't they?

I'm sure the basic games aren't limited to JUST those roles

 

Probably - but i wouldn't consider a roleblocker to be a basic role. Originally Standard games at DM were allowed one of three setups - Basic follows on from standard - and a roleblocker was never used in a standard game.

uhhhhh....ok....

well coming from the perspective of someone new to DM I would expect a roleblocker to be in this game with the roles revealed so far

 

it seems like you guys hold too tightly to tradition and "right and wrong" ways to play mafia here

I admit an unbalanced game kind of sucks but even an unbalanced game can be fun until the end when everythings revealed and you realize you were at a disadvantage

 

I dunno

just seems picky to me

but now we're going off on an unnecessary tangent

let's stick with the game at hand

I'd expect to see a roleblocker but you say there probably wont be one

fair enough

only time will tell

[Nolder]

though now that I think about it

a roleblocker could explain why the vig didn't shoot

did I mention this before? I feel like I did...

regardless there's at least some roundabout evidence that a roleblocker is in play

not a sure thing though I'll admit

[Nolder]

Yep you're right Medical Robot - role is Healer. My brain goes faster than my fingers can keep up typing... that and it's late and i should be in bed LOL

what timezone are you in?

 

I live in california so PST for me (or -8 GMT)

[Amadine]

Vig was nightkilled - in my book that would negate the night action the Vig submitted.

 

I'm on the east coast of Australia GMT +10 - it's 12.15am here.

[Nolder]

hahaha, Lando. The dude Han got the Millenium Falcon from. The guy who destroyed the second Death Star. I could claim any role really as the whole exercise is futile. I don't believe anyone's character call. You shouldn't believe mine. What were you hoping to do with having everyone claim there characters?

Person 1: "I'm Luke"

Person 2: "I'm Luke.......aww, shucks. you got me. I must be scum. boooo"

 

or the other version

Person 1:"I'm Luke"

Person 2:"I'm Luke"

Person 1:"You're an LLL" (I'm proud of myself for remembering this one lol. Lying Liar that Lies hahaha)

Person 2:"You're an LLL"

Person 1:"No. I am Luke and you are scum"

Person 2:"No. I am Luke and you are scum"

 

Isn't example two your definition (or whoever gave the definition) of a WIFOM? I think it's a scum tactic but I think Ama is more scummy for using the chance to try to protect her self more with a role claim.

this is basically the clearest example of why a massclaim was a bad idea

 

mafia can and will lie (or perhaps they don't even need to, if Boba Fett and Darth Vader can be good there's no reason say...Lando couldn't be bad (he did betray Han after all)) and town will have nothing to show for it except MAYBE if we're super lucky example 2 in which case we have a 50/50 shot of lynching scum right on the first try

[Nolder]

Vig was nightkilled - in my book that would negate the night action the Vig submitted.

 

I'm on the east coast of Australia GMT +10 - it's 12.15am here.

yeah that could have happened

there are three possibilities

 

1. Vig being nightkilled negated vigs shot

2. Vig was roleblocked and killed

3. Vig held their shot

 

also you should get some sleep

[bgrishinko]

Unvote: Vote Nolder

Here's the thing. I think that Nolder really is Darth Vader. I also think that as scum, when people are character claiming, the challange becomes finding an obscure enough good guy that won't overlap with other people's probable roles (I'm looking at you Medical Robot and Ewok friend)...

 

If two people claim the same person, at least an important one, i.e. "I'm Luke" , "No, I'm Luke" then we have a 50/50 chance of getting right. If we get it wrong, the next day we have a gaurenteed scum kill (assuming some town person wasn't dumb enough to claim someone they are not).

 

As for Nolder, as Vader, with a little knowledge of the ending to Star Wars, he can make a convincing Miller claim. He also doesn't need to worry about finding another obscure character. Easier to reveal your own real evil character with an excuse of why that person is town.

 

And Kate, generally the characters do line up with sides. Not always, but mostly. Boba Fett was a bounty hunter, kind of a lone wolf role, plus he's a fan favortie so I can see the town flip for the character. Miller for Vader makes sense too. But I think as a basic game, Nolder is just being opportunistic with the role, kind of a gaurenteed "get out of lynch free" card.

[Amadine]

Agreed, night all - will attempt to check from my phone during work tomorrow. Have fun!

[Nolder]

Unvote: Vote Nolder

Here's the thing. I think that Nolder really is Darth Vader. I also think that as scum, when people are character claiming, the challange becomes finding an obscure enough good guy that won't overlap with other people's probable roles (I'm looking at you Medical Robot and Ewok friend)...

 

If two people claim the same person, at least an important one, i.e. "I'm Luke" , "No, I'm Luke" then we have a 50/50 chance of getting right. If we get it wrong, the next day we have a gaurenteed scum kill (assuming some town person wasn't dumb enough to claim someone they are not).

 

As for Nolder, as Vader, with a little knowledge of the ending to Star Wars, he can make a convincing Miller claim. He also doesn't need to worry about finding another obscure character. Easier to reveal your own real evil character with an excuse of why that person is town.

 

And Kate, generally the characters do line up with sides. Not always, but mostly. Boba Fett was a bounty hunter, kind of a lone wolf role, plus he's a fan favortie so I can see the town flip for the character. Miller for Vader makes sense too. But I think as a basic game, Nolder is just being opportunistic with the role, kind of a gaurenteed "get out of lynch free" card.

well I guess you can see it that way

there's nothing I can really dispute about what you've said beyond simply saying "you're wrong"

however I will note that you seem to be basing your vote merely on my roleclaim and nothing else which is exactly what I was afraid would happen

I will also note that I have been one of your biggest critics this game

to me it looks as if you're being an opportunistic mafia member and trying to get me out of the way because of my roleclaim

please tell me, do you have any other evidence that I'm mafia aside from the claim?

it's been discussed thoroughly by now that pretty much all of our claims are worthless at best and WIFOM puzzles at worst

we should be judging people on their merits as players not on the roleclaims