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Aremeriel
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raydurz
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| How about Rachel Weisz (the Mummy) as Moiraine? |
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Wynne Jessal
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Did I miss something? Where did this Cairhienin-as-Asian thing come from? Yes, Cairhienin are short and have dark hair. But they are also pale, not with a yellow-based skin tone. If anything, Saldaens seem to facially fit more of the description with tilted eyes, high cheekbones, and sometimes prominent noses (depending on how define the latter).
Mila Jovovich looks too old for Min, IMHO. We actually matched up on a few of your Forsaken suggestions though, Aremeriel  |
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Jonn
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you said it. Predominantly dark hair and shorter than most. This matches the model of Asians up until the industrial era.
Contrary to belief, Asians actually come in several skin tones. Some Asians have quite pale skin. Some have brown skin. Some do have a yellow tinge to their coloring. In some regions of Japan there are people who are very fair skinned. The same goes for some Koreans, northern Chinese, Mongols and Russians.
The line between actual physical attributes and sterotypical beliefs about physical attributes can be rather fine, but in this case, I think Asian appearance can actual be rather subtle and fitting for the people of Cairhien.
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Wynne Jessal
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Jonn wrote: | Well, you said it. Predominantly dark hair and shorter than most. This matches the model of Asians up until the industrial era.
Contrary to belief, Asians actually come in several skin tones. Some Asians have quite pale skin. Some have brown skin. Some do have a yellow tinge to their coloring. In some regions of Japan there are people who are very fair skinned. The same goes for some Koreans, northern Chinese, Mongols and Russians.
The line between actual physical attributes and sterotypical beliefs about physical attributes can be rather fine, but in this case, I think Asian appearance can actual be rather subtle and fitting for the people of Cairhien. |
OK, I will grant you that the skin tone in Asian/Pacific whatever-PC-term-you-want-to-call-it can vary widely.
As for height, the average male height in China is less than two inches less than, say, France and many other countries in Europe or the Middle East. With Japan there's 3 - 1" average height difference (in males). My point being that just being short and having dark hair could be associated with a few other nationalities. The skin tone is negotiable. Pale skin could be omnipresent in many cultures.
But to my knowledge, RJ has never described the Cairhinenin as having classically Oriental features (broader nose, slanted eyes, prominent cheekbones).
I'm not being argumentative. I've just never ever heard or read that anyone associated the Cairhienin as an Asian-appearing nation. I truly don't. I imagine them as a more generic short caucasion-esque culture with the prevailing traits we mentioned.
Now that I do some reasearch though, I see the FAQ describes Cairhien as "France, with a dash of Japan". So I guess we are both correct.  |
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Aremeriel
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| Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Wynne Jessal wrote: | | We actually matched up on a few of your Forsaken suggestions though, Aremeriel |
Ooooh.. Curious on who now. 
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trakand01
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| If someone can remind me the name of the wolf-guy who trains perrin (really annoying me, he's one of my favourite characters!), then he should be Kris Kristofferson, a la Whistler in Blade. |
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Gentled Ben
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I liked your castng of Catherine Zeta -Jones as Lanfear, and it was Elyas Machera, and yeah, Kris Kristofferson would be okay in that role.
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KwizatsHaderach
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: casting |
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Nice long list!
I like a LOT of the suggestions (except casting Scott Bakula as "LAN"..that's too much of a "Quantum Leap" for me ! (Ducks the rotten tomatoes)
Rand al'Thor - Ed Speelers (Yes - THAT Ed Speelers
from "Eragon")
Lanafear - Kate Beckinsale would rock the house
Am. Seat - Dame Judy Dench !
Padan - Brad Dourif for sure
Lan - Vigo Mortesen (Aragorn) or Karl Urban
[img] http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ed/LordVaako.jpg/200px-LordVaako.jpg [/img]
(Lord Vakko from "Chronicles of Riddick"
(* Ron Perleman COULD play the part -
however - he blonde haired and blue
eyed. Cast him as an Aileman)
Mat - Sean Astin
Perrin - Elijah Wood (Seriously - imagine him
with yellow eyes - he'd look wolf - like
at that point)
Thom - Sean Connery OR Patrick Stewart (Thom's a
tough customer as well as a bard)
Morg - Would love to see Michele Pfieffer (Think of
her performance in LadyHawke )
Liand. - Would love to see either Lucy Lawless or
Hudson Leike (Both from Xena - both
ladies are 5"10 !!
Well - what you do guys/gals/Ogriers think ?
I'll ignore all comments from Trollocs - they don't count anyway ! [/img]
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Aremeriel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: casting |
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I'll say sorry in advance if you think I'm ripping your cast list apart here although I have to agree with you on not liking Scott Bakula as Lan.
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | | Am. Seat - Dame Judy Dench ! |
Which Amyrlin Seat?
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | Lan - Vigo Mortesen (Aragorn) or Karl Urban
[img] http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ed/LordVaako.jpg/200px-LordVaako.jpg [/img]
(Lord Vakko from "Chronicles of Riddick"
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Viggo in that part would make too many think Aragorn in LoTR I think... And Karl Urban is too good at playing bad-guy to not put him as one.
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | | Mat - Sean Astin |
I really like Sean Astin, but I wish people would stop suggesting him for Mat as he's too old imo, in addition he'd have to lose quite a few pounds to play Mat.
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | Perrin - Elijah Wood (Seriously - imagine him
with yellow eyes - he'd look wolf - like
at that point) |
No offense - but can you seriously imagine him as Perrin who's supposed to fit this description: "He is half a head shorter than Rand and stocky with thick arms and shoulders" I like Elijah Wood as well, but can not picture him in that role...
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | Liand. - Would love to see either Lucy Lawless or
Hudson Leike (Both from Xena - both
ladies are 5"10 !! |
Not having seen either of them act I think, I can see either of them in the role. But, their height would work against them instead of for them imo. Liandrin is described as less than a hand taller than Moiraine (who is about 5' - 5'2"), while 5'10" would make them at least 2 hands taller than Moiraine.. Checked on Imdb and according to them, Hudson Leick is "only" 5'7 3/4", so height-wise, she'd be a better choice imo.
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KwizatsHaderach
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: Re: casting |
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| Aremeriel wrote: | I'll say sorry in advance if you think I'm ripping your cast list apart here although I have to agree with you on not liking Scott Bakula as Lan.
No problem Aremeriel -- you disagreed without being disagreeable!
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | | Am. Seat - Dame Judy Dench ! |
Which Amyrlin Seat?
I'm just starting book 4 so I know of only one Amylin seat. I say either Judy Dench or
Louise Fletcher!
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | Lan - Vigo Mortesen (Aragorn) or Karl Urban
[img] http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ed/LordVaako.jpg/200px-LordVaako.jpg [/img]
(Lord Vakko from "Chronicles of Riddick"
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Viggo in that part would make too many think Aragorn in LoTR I think... And Karl Urban is too good at playing bad-guy to not put him as one.
-- Hey I liked him as Aragorn ! 
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | | Mat - Sean Astin |
I really like Sean Astin, but I wish people would stop suggesting him for Mat as he's too old imo, in addition he'd have to lose quite a few pounds to play Mat.
He's blonde and broad-shouldered and it would be neat to see him be somewhat heroic! (RE: Him fighting off the floating Axe!)
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | Perrin - Elijah Wood (Seriously - imagine him
with yellow eyes - he'd look wolf - like
at that point) |
No offense - but can you seriously imagine him as Perrin who's supposed to fit this description: "He is half a head shorter than Rand and stocky with thick arms and shoulders" I like Elijah Wood as well, but can not picture him in that role...
How do you know Elijah Wood's not six foot in real life ?
| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | Liand. - Would love to see either Lucy Lawless or
Hudson Leike (Both from Xena - both
ladies are 5"10 !! |
Not having seen either of them act I think, I can see either of them in the role. But, their height would work against them instead of for them imo. Liandrin is described as less than a hand taller than Moiraine (who is about 5' - 5'2"), while 5'10" would make them at least 2 hands taller than Moiraine.. Checked on Imdb and according to them, Hudson Leick is "only" 5'7 3/4", so height-wise, she'd be a better choice imo. |
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Wynne Jessal
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Re: casting |
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| KwizatsHaderach wrote: | I'm just starting book 4 so I know of only one Amylin seat.
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-- Hey I liked him as Aragorn !
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He's blonde and broad-shouldered and it would be neat to see him be somewhat heroic! (RE: Him fighting off the floating Axe!)
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How do you know Elijah Wood's not six foot in real life ? |
You should probably finish the series before casting, because a lot changes by the end of the series (at least what's written now.
Lan is Lan. He's not Aragorn the Second. Casting Viggo Mortensen would make people think of him as Aragorn. And their characters are VERY different. Besides, basically re-casting the major actors from LotR would be a mistake. WoT isn't LotR parts 4 - 16.
Also, I think you may be confused between Mat and Perrin. Neither Mat or Perrin are blond though. Perrin is the one with the axe and the shoulders. I can't imagine Sean Astin as Perrin (or Mat!) in my worst nightmares. Maybe you're thinking of Sean Bean?? Sean Bean is too old for either one anyhow. So is Sean Astin. And Sean Astin has dropped the extra weight from LotR, but he is not fit enough for Perrin--at least, not how I imagine Perrin. And Mat is tall and wiry, which Sean Astin definitely is not.
And per IMDB, Elijah Wood is 5'6". I think most of his fans know he's pretty short. I don't think Elijah Wood has the ferocity sometimes necessary to play Perrin. I'm trying to imagine Elijah Wood growling like a wolf, and all I'm getting is a kittenish mewl...  |
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KwizatsHaderach
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: Re: casting |
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| Wynne Jessal wrote: | | KwizatsHaderach wrote: | I'm just starting book 4 so I know of only one Amylin seat.
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-- Hey I liked him as Aragorn !
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He's blonde and broad-shouldered and it would be neat to see him be somewhat heroic! (RE: Him fighting off the floating Axe!)
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How do you know Elijah Wood's not six foot in real life ? |
You should probably finish the series before casting,
[ * WISEACRE WARNING * I can't finish the series because the series isn't finished yet - I'm playing catchup starting from book 1 (Reading 3 Wheel of Time books in 1 week = sore eyes! ) ]
because a lot changes by the end of the series (at least what's written now.
Lan is Lan. He's not Aragorn the Second. Casting Viggo Mortensen would make people think of him as Aragorn. And their characters are VERY different. Besides, basically re-casting the major actors from LotR would be a mistake. WoT isn't LotR parts 4 - 16.
I Know Lan isn't Aaragorn. His character is very much different. The closest thing I've seen to what I imagine his character to be was the character of "Navarre" from "LadyHawke".
The character of "Aaragorn" would be too soft compared with LAN
Also, I think you may be confused between Mat and Perrin. Neither Mat or Perrin are blond though. Perrin is the one with the axe and the shoulders. I can't imagine Sean Astin as Perrin (or Mat!) in my worst nightmares. Maybe you're thinking of Sean Bean?? Sean Bean is too old for either one anyhow. So is Sean Astin. And Sean Astin has dropped the extra weight from LotR, but he is not fit enough for Perrin--at least, not how I imagine Perrin. And Mat is tall and wiry, which Sean Astin definitely is not.
And per IMDB, Elijah Wood is 5'6". I think most of his fans know he's pretty short. I don't think Elijah Wood has the ferocity sometimes necessary to play Perrin. I'm trying to imagine Elijah Wood growling like a wolf, and all I'm getting is a kittenish mewl... |
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TheoryMan
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TheoryMan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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If anyone has not said this yet, I just owned the pick for Cadsuane
Judi Dench (The elemental on Chronicles of Riddick)
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