[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

For the record, tiink is absolutely a villager

Will you please share your reasoning?

Do you think I am?

October 4, 2016

For the record, tiink is absolutely a villager

Will you please share your reasoning?

Do you think I am?

Not particularly, no.

But I don't play by meta and if the people who I'm town reading agree that you are town because of your meta. then I will accept that.

October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

For the record, tiink is absolutely a villager

Will you please share your reasoning?

Do you think I am?

Not particularly, no.

But I don't play by meta and if the people who I'm town reading agree that you are town because of your meta. then I will accept that.

Why not?

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

Pralaya · October 4, 2016

Yeah believer gonna need you to elaborate on the two scummiest people in the thread

Because we are the two most widely townread people in the thread

Are you trying to convince me, or yourself?

You both killed Zander, then you had a "fight" about that after the lynch. Now you're back together again on me.

I'll stake my reputation on one of you being scum, most likely Darthe, with a 50%+ of both of you being scum.

Why would they do that when they could have just let the lynch pass through? Bit too conspirical, don't you think?

Nolder · October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

It lacks detail on the most vital part.

What about her post "reeks"?

October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

Thanks.

Spoilering so the quotes don't take up all the page.

The buddying between Nego and Besie though jeezus. This isn't even all of it.

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

"monstrman is a wolf"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

So besie prolly a villager

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it?

>.>

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

you're the one continuing with it.

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong.

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now [v]Calder[/v].

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

*snip*

You say Nego and I are buddying.

Bolded green - Nego agreed with Monstrman; and said I was dropping down. Not sure how that is buddying iyo?

And the second post, I guess you're referring to my saying I'll never lynch Nego? He was my strongest town read D1. He's still one of the strongest, but I currently feel most confident in saying that Darthe is town, with Nego strong second.

Summary: The first quote you posted doesn't show buddying. The second post you quoted was me sharing my thoughts. Still no buddying. Would you like to find other posts to show this?

Also do keep in mind that I generally react to all people the same, so just quoting me vs. Nego in general is not going to help you, since I can quote me vs. Monstrman and me vs. Dice and get the same result.

Thought Besie still had one vote but turns out she has no votes.

This was true at the time. This was also after Darthe asked you why you voted Nego instead of me - it looked like a second reason. Why did you not switch your vote to me then?

Nego has a style where he floats under the radar

Usually as a villager Ive seen more from him by now, but I also don't really know what his wolf game looks like and he was in three games at once

Is that literally all you have to say about the major buddying and agreeing with Besie who it seems like you've disagreed with all game?

Still not sure what you're talking about - Monstrman has been disagreeing and agreeing with me (and vice versa) throughout the entire game.

Pralaya · October 4, 2016

I'm pretty sure of town on monstr, dice, myself, nol unlesss he gets ccd, and tbh this last string makes besie look derp town. Also nego, he was really clean eod and beyond.

Need to work on laya believe and wild. I prob would say we have two wolves there and someone is fooling me

Eh.

Exactly my reaction, lol

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

Thanks.

Spoilering so the quotes don't take up all the page.

The buddying between Nego and Besie though jeezus. This isn't even all of it.

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

"monstrman is a wolf"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

So besie prolly a villager

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it?

>.>

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

you're the one continuing with it.

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong.

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now [v]Calder[/v].

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

*snip*

You say Nego and I are buddying.

Bolded green - Nego agreed with Monstrman; and said I was dropping down. Not sure how that is buddying iyo?

And the second post, I guess you're referring to my saying I'll never lynch Nego? He was my strongest town read D1. He's still one of the strongest, but I currently feel most confident in saying that Darthe is town, with Nego strong second.

Summary: The first quote you posted doesn't show buddying. The second post you quoted was me sharing my thoughts. Still no buddying. Would you like to find other posts to show this?

Also do keep in mind that I generally react to all people the same, so just quoting me vs. Nego in general is not going to help you, since I can quote me vs. Monstrman and me vs. Dice and get the same result.

Thought Besie still had one vote but turns out she has no votes.

This was true at the time. This was also after Darthe asked you why you voted Nego instead of me - it looked like a second reason. Why did you not switch your vote to me then?

Nego has a style where he floats under the radar

Usually as a villager Ive seen more from him by now, but I also don't really know what his wolf game looks like and he was in three games at once

Is that literally all you have to say about the major buddying and agreeing with Besie who it seems like you've disagreed with all game?

Still not sure what you're talking about - Monstrman has been disagreeing and agreeing with me (and vice versa) throughout the entire game.

We're talking about Nego agreeing with you not Mostrman?

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

I'm pretty sure of town on monstr, dice, myself, nol unlesss he gets ccd, and tbh this last string makes besie look derp town. Also nego, he was really clean eod and beyond.

Need to work on laya believe and wild. I prob would say we have two wolves there and someone is fooling me

Eh.

Exactly my reaction, lol

Yeah man, what is going on. Is everyone derping this game or what? Looks like I gotta rely on my boy Pral this game. I think some of you are town but like I genuinely don't follow the thoughts this game.

Pral what do you think about Besie/Nego w/w and Dice? Those are my top 3.

October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

It lacks detail on the most vital part.

What about her post "reeks"?

Agreed with the bolded.

Tiink got upset with people voting him before first interacting with him in post #487 (p25). I had said that your play by interaction with other players should be towny enough without having to explain yourself to everyone. Not long after that, he had said he has null on two of the most active players in the game. Almost like what Wildfire is doing atm.

It could be a difference in play - that some people look at posts made by others and think of their own opinion, whilst others want to interact personally before getting their own opinion. But if we go with the fact that Tiinker had wanted the latter, but then proceeded to actually do the former... well. I don't see a difference in gameplay there. Rather, I see someone attempting to grasp at straws. Especially considering that he's stating things, but not backing it up with quotes that actually prove it.

Pralaya · October 4, 2016

BlomBesie and manbat are definitely not on the same team because in a game this empty they just wouldn’t put so much effort into distancing.

The Zander train was legit imo despite what people are saying. I think that his game wasn’t too representative of his previous town games. He was playing more cautiously and I’d definitely say he was more careful about what he was saying towards other people when I’ve seen him go absolutely nuts when he thought he was in the right (see Overwatch, Tarmon Gaidan for a rep).

Once he put his focus in here after the Tarmon Gaidon game ended, he was more or less the way Zander always played. It frankly wasn't too different. Don't see why you would want to dismiss his train like that.

October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

Thanks.

Spoilering so the quotes don't take up all the page.

The buddying between Nego and Besie though jeezus. This isn't even all of it.

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

"monstrman is a wolf"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

So besie prolly a villager

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it?

>.>

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

you're the one continuing with it.

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong.

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now [v]Calder[/v].

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

*snip*

You say Nego and I are buddying.

Bolded green - Nego agreed with Monstrman; and said I was dropping down. Not sure how that is buddying iyo?

And the second post, I guess you're referring to my saying I'll never lynch Nego? He was my strongest town read D1. He's still one of the strongest, but I currently feel most confident in saying that Darthe is town, with Nego strong second.

Summary: The first quote you posted doesn't show buddying. The second post you quoted was me sharing my thoughts. Still no buddying. Would you like to find other posts to show this?

Also do keep in mind that I generally react to all people the same, so just quoting me vs. Nego in general is not going to help you, since I can quote me vs. Monstrman and me vs. Dice and get the same result.

Thought Besie still had one vote but turns out she has no votes.

This was true at the time. This was also after Darthe asked you why you voted Nego instead of me - it looked like a second reason. Why did you not switch your vote to me then?

Nego has a style where he floats under the radar

Usually as a villager Ive seen more from him by now, but I also don't really know what his wolf game looks like and he was in three games at once

Is that literally all you have to say about the major buddying and agreeing with Besie who it seems like you've disagreed with all game?

Still not sure what you're talking about - Monstrman has been disagreeing and agreeing with me (and vice versa) throughout the entire game.

We're talking about Nego agreeing with you not Mostrman?

Okay.

Is that the only thing you are going to respond to in the whole post?

Pralaya · October 4, 2016

Yeah man, what is going on. Is everyone derping this game or what? Looks like I gotta rely on my boy Pral this game. I think some of you are town but like I genuinely don't follow the thoughts this game.

Pral what do you think about Besie/Nego w/w and Dice? Those are my top 3.

Looking at the trains on D1, I think Besie is wolf. Other than Zander and me, Besie and Dice were the only ones on the Calder train.

Dice is a wild card mostly because of the EoD stuff. If he is wolf, the only reason why he would do all those juggling and gain attention would be to push a Calder lynch assuming him to be PR or something. I didn't notice any Calder post which gave away his PR.So, for now, benefit of doubt to dice.

Nego is likely town. His thoughts and reads match closely with mine. It also doesn't make any sense of him calling out Calder as scum during the night and then NK him.

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

BlomBesie and manbat are definitely not on the same team because in a game this empty they just wouldn’t put so much effort into distancing.

The Zander train was legit imo despite what people are saying. I think that his game wasn’t too representative of his previous town games. He was playing more cautiously and I’d definitely say he was more careful about what he was saying towards other people when I’ve seen him go absolutely nuts when he thought he was in the right (see Overwatch, Tarmon Gaidan for a rep).

Once he put his focus in here after the Tarmon Gaidon game ended, he was more or less the way Zander always played. It frankly wasn't too different. Don't see why you would want to dismiss his train like that.

Zander had painted himself as scummy before then and I can totally understand people not being swayed purely off of "meta" at that point. It wouldn't have deterred me anyway and the other factor is that the counter attempt was to lynch another town.

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

Yeah man, what is going on. Is everyone derping this game or what? Looks like I gotta rely on my boy Pral this game. I think some of you are town but like I genuinely don't follow the thoughts this game.

Pral what do you think about Besie/Nego w/w and Dice? Those are my top 3.

Looking at the trains on D1, I think Besie is wolf. Other than Zander and me, Besie and Dice were the only ones on the Calder train.

Dice is a wild card mostly because of the EoD stuff. If he is wolf, the only reason why he would do all those juggling and gain attention would be to push a Calder lynch assuming him to be PR or something. I didn't notice any Calder post which gave away his PR.So, for now, benefit of doubt to dice.

Nego is likely town. His thoughts and reads match closely with mine. It also doesn't make any sense of him calling out Calder as scum during the night and then NK him.

It does if it follows the same thought process I had for scum NKing Calder to semi-clear himself. That is literally the only reason to NK Calder, I can see no other unless they just randomized.

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

Thanks.

Spoilering so the quotes don't take up all the page.

The buddying between Nego and Besie though jeezus. This isn't even all of it.

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

"monstrman is a wolf"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

So besie prolly a villager

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it?

>.>

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

you're the one continuing with it.

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong.

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now [v]Calder[/v].

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

*snip*

You say Nego and I are buddying.

Bolded green - Nego agreed with Monstrman; and said I was dropping down. Not sure how that is buddying iyo?

And the second post, I guess you're referring to my saying I'll never lynch Nego? He was my strongest town read D1. He's still one of the strongest, but I currently feel most confident in saying that Darthe is town, with Nego strong second.

Summary: The first quote you posted doesn't show buddying. The second post you quoted was me sharing my thoughts. Still no buddying. Would you like to find other posts to show this?

Also do keep in mind that I generally react to all people the same, so just quoting me vs. Nego in general is not going to help you, since I can quote me vs. Monstrman and me vs. Dice and get the same result.

Thought Besie still had one vote but turns out she has no votes.

This was true at the time. This was also after Darthe asked you why you voted Nego instead of me - it looked like a second reason. Why did you not switch your vote to me then?

Nego has a style where he floats under the radar

Usually as a villager Ive seen more from him by now, but I also don't really know what his wolf game looks like and he was in three games at once

Is that literally all you have to say about the major buddying and agreeing with Besie who it seems like you've disagreed with all game?

Still not sure what you're talking about - Monstrman has been disagreeing and agreeing with me (and vice versa) throughout the entire game.

We're talking about Nego agreeing with you not Mostrman?

Okay.

Is that the only thing you are going to respond to in the whole post?

Hm, I misread that one post but doesn't sway me at all in the midst of all the others. Also what would be the point in switching at that point neither of you had votes and I said I wanted to bring attention to Nego since you already had plenty.

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

so okay, why exactly was zander lynched?

catching up, btw. i'm really tired though so i'm heading to bed the minute i'm done.

You played less than zero part in preventing it and are acting like there's nothing to his lynch. You didn't even participate in the Calder train which ironically might have given you more credit than not even voting. There was literally 40 pages of people spewing at each other that you've glossed over. This is not the reaction I'm expecting from town.

I was talking about Nego's post post-lynch reeking. The explanation is literally right there.

Tiinker · October 4, 2016

Tiink got upset with people voting him before first interacting with him in post #487 (p25). I had said that your play by interaction with other players should be towny enough without having to explain yourself to everyone. Not long after that, he had said he has null on two of the most active players in the game. Almost like what Wildfire is doing atm.

It could be a difference in play - that some people look at posts made by others and think of their own opinion, whilst others want to interact personally before getting their own opinion. But if we go with the fact that Tiinker had wanted the latter, but then proceeded to actually do the former... well. I don't see a difference in gameplay there. Rather, I see someone attempting to grasp at straws. Especially considering that he's stating things, but not backing it up with quotes that actually prove it.

What???? Mate are we even playing the same game?

[unvote]

[v]Besie[/v]

Pralaya · October 4, 2016

Yeah man, what is going on. Is everyone derping this game or what? Looks like I gotta rely on my boy Pral this game. I think some of you are town but like I genuinely don't follow the thoughts this game.

Pral what do you think about Besie/Nego w/w and Dice? Those are my top 3.

Looking at the trains on D1, I think Besie is wolf. Other than Zander and me, Besie and Dice were the only ones on the Calder train.

Dice is a wild card mostly because of the EoD stuff. If he is wolf, the only reason why he would do all those juggling and gain attention would be to push a Calder lynch assuming him to be PR or something. I didn't notice any Calder post which gave away his PR.So, for now, benefit of doubt to dice.

Nego is likely town. His thoughts and reads match closely with mine. It also doesn't make any sense of him calling out Calder as scum during the night and then NK him.

It does if it follows the same thought process I had for scum NKing Calder to semi-clear himself. That is literally the only reason to NK Calder, I can see no other unless they just randomized.

Killing Calder would also mean kind of clearing Darthe. Calder was a great mislynch opportunity in D2. I don't see scum going that route just to clear himself.

Pralaya · October 4, 2016

BlomBesie and manbat are definitely not on the same team because in a game this empty they just wouldn’t put so much effort into distancing.

The Zander train was legit imo despite what people are saying. I think that his game wasn’t too representative of his previous town games. He was playing more cautiously and I’d definitely say he was more careful about what he was saying towards other people when I’ve seen him go absolutely nuts when he thought he was in the right (see Overwatch, Tarmon Gaidan for a rep).

Once he put his focus in here after the Tarmon Gaidon game ended, he was more or less the way Zander always played. It frankly wasn't too different. Don't see why you would want to dismiss his train like that.

Zander had painted himself as scummy before then and I can totally understand people not being swayed purely off of "meta" at that point. It wouldn't have deterred me anyway and the other factor is that the counter attempt was to lynch another town.

He was definitely a bit different at the start. But, to totally dismiss his train with the explanation that he was a natural lynch option is someting i don't agree. There definitely was some scum involvement in pushing him and making it v/v trains.

October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

Thanks.

Spoilering so the quotes don't take up all the page.

The buddying between Nego and Besie though jeezus. This isn't even all of it.

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

"monstrman is a wolf"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

So besie prolly a villager

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it?

>.>

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

you're the one continuing with it.

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong.

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now [v]Calder[/v].

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

*snip*

You say Nego and I are buddying.

Bolded green - Nego agreed with Monstrman; and said I was dropping down. Not sure how that is buddying iyo?

And the second post, I guess you're referring to my saying I'll never lynch Nego? He was my strongest town read D1. He's still one of the strongest, but I currently feel most confident in saying that Darthe is town, with Nego strong second.

Summary: The first quote you posted doesn't show buddying. The second post you quoted was me sharing my thoughts. Still no buddying. Would you like to find other posts to show this?

Also do keep in mind that I generally react to all people the same, so just quoting me vs. Nego in general is not going to help you, since I can quote me vs. Monstrman and me vs. Dice and get the same result.

Thought Besie still had one vote but turns out she has no votes.

This was true at the time. This was also after Darthe asked you why you voted Nego instead of me - it looked like a second reason. Why did you not switch your vote to me then?

Nego has a style where he floats under the radar

Usually as a villager Ive seen more from him by now, but I also don't really know what his wolf game looks like and he was in three games at once

Is that literally all you have to say about the major buddying and agreeing with Besie who it seems like you've disagreed with all game?

Still not sure what you're talking about - Monstrman has been disagreeing and agreeing with me (and vice versa) throughout the entire game.

We're talking about Nego agreeing with you not Mostrman?

Okay.

Is that the only thing you are going to respond to in the whole post?

Hm, I misread that one post but doesn't sway me at all in the midst of all the others. Also what would be the point in switching at that point neither of you had votes and I said I wanted to bring attention to Nego since you already had plenty.

This makes sense.

October 4, 2016

Tiink got upset with people voting him before first interacting with him in post #487 (p25). I had said that your play by interaction with other players should be towny enough without having to explain yourself to everyone. Not long after that, he had said he has null on two of the most active players in the game. Almost like what Wildfire is doing atm.

It could be a difference in play - that some people look at posts made by others and think of their own opinion, whilst others want to interact personally before getting their own opinion. But if we go with the fact that Tiinker had wanted the latter, but then proceeded to actually do the former... well. I don't see a difference in gameplay there. Rather, I see someone attempting to grasp at straws. Especially considering that he's stating things, but not backing it up with quotes that actually prove it.

What???? Mate are we even playing the same game?

[unvote]

[v]Besie

Which part do you disagree with?

October 4, 2016

Tiink, who do you currently think the scum are? And why? Have your thoughts changed since D1?

I posted my thoughts on pg 83

Thanks.

Spoilering so the quotes don't take up all the page.

The buddying between Nego and Besie though jeezus. This isn't even all of it.

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

"monstrman is a wolf"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

So besie prolly a villager

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE?

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it?

>.>

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

you're the one continuing with it.

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong.

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now [v]Calder[/v].

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

Either one of them is scum or both of them are imo.

These kind of posts after also just reek.

*snip*

You say Nego and I are buddying.

Bolded green - Nego agreed with Monstrman; and said I was dropping down. Not sure how that is buddying iyo?

And the second post, I guess you're referring to my saying I'll never lynch Nego? He was my strongest town read D1. He's still one of the strongest, but I currently feel most confident in saying that Darthe is town, with Nego strong second.

Summary: The first quote you posted doesn't show buddying. The second post you quoted was me sharing my thoughts. Still no buddying. Would you like to find other posts to show this?

Also do keep in mind that I generally react to all people the same, so just quoting me vs. Nego in general is not going to help you, since I can quote me vs. Monstrman and me vs. Dice and get the same result.

Thought Besie still had one vote but turns out she has no votes.

This was true at the time. This was also after Darthe asked you why you voted Nego instead of me - it looked like a second reason. Why did you not switch your vote to me then?

Nego has a style where he floats under the radar

Usually as a villager Ive seen more from him by now, but I also don't really know what his wolf game looks like and he was in three games at once

Is that literally all you have to say about the major buddying and agreeing with Besie who it seems like you've disagreed with all game?

Still not sure what you're talking about - Monstrman has been disagreeing and agreeing with me (and vice versa) throughout the entire game.

We're talking about Nego agreeing with you not Mostrman?

Okay.

Is that the only thing you are going to respond to in the whole post?

Hm, I misread that one post but doesn't sway me at all in the midst of all the others. Also what would be the point in switching at that point neither of you had votes and I said I wanted to bring attention to Nego since you already had plenty.

This makes sense.

The reason why I brought it up is because you posted what I had quoted above unnecessarily then.

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