[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[Sooh]

Not having the best night atm. Got some strange chest pains going on. Nothing serious though I don't think. Dunno. Husband is taking really good care of me. 

 

Monstr, if you think I'm a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me and I'll respond when I get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your head and nothing concrete that I can refute in any way except shouting "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us. 

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay, I am caught up to page 49...yeah I fell asleep most of my catch up time meds...happens every morning nowadays.  Anyway, I don't think I can do a full catch up and keep current....I have some posts from my last catch up that I am going to go through...but it would be really nice if a few of you (3+)  would please give me a summation of what you think are the most important parts of the game going briefly from beginning of game cause tbqh I don't remember that much from it and it would be nice to have it all in one post  

[monstrman]

Not having the best night atm. Got some strange chest pains going on. Nothing serious though I don't think. Dunno. Husband is taking really good care of me. 

 

Monstr, if you think I'm a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me and I'll respond when I get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your head and nothing concrete that I can refute in any way except shouting "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us.

 

If you're town, underplaying my work by claiming that all I've done this game is claim "I'm Town you guys" isn't helpful to either of us

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

Not having the best night atm. Got some strange chest pains going on. Nothing serious though I don't think. Dunno. Husband is taking really good care of me. 

 

Monstr, if you think I'm a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me and I'll respond when I get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your head and nothing concrete that I can refute in any way except shouting "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us.

If you're town, underplaying my work by claiming that all I've done this game is claim "I'm Town you guys" isn't helpful to either of us

 

 

Monstr: I think you are misunderstanding sooh's post....

 

She is saying: If you (Monstr) think I'm (sooh) a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me (sooh) and I'll (sooh) respond when I (sooh) get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your (Monstr) head and nothing concrete that I (sooh) can  refute in any way except shouting (the last PRONOUN was the I (sooh) so she is saying she (sooh) will be shouting) "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us. 

 

that better???

 

DISCLAIMER:   I HAVE NO READS ON ANYONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  HOWEVER, I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE MISUNDERSTOOD.

[monstrman]

Okay, I am caught up to page 49...yeah I fell asleep most of my catch up time meds...happens every morning nowadays.  Anyway, I don't think I can do a full catch up and keep current....I have some posts from my last catch up that I am going to go through...but it would be really nice if a few of you (3+)  would please give me a summation of what you think are the most important parts of the game going briefly from beginning of game cause tbqh I don't remember that much from it and it would be nice to have it all in one post

 

Oh yeah, no you're right

 

Apparently I suck at English. 

[monstrman]

Sooh I'll make a case once I reiso you

[Darthe]

 

Not having the best night atm. Got some strange chest pains going on. Nothing serious though I don't think. Dunno. Husband is taking really good care of me.

 

Monstr, if you think I'm a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me and I'll respond when I get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your head and nothing concrete that I can refute in any way except shouting "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us.

 

If you're town, underplaying my work by claiming that all I've done this game is claim "I'm Town you guys" isn't helpful to either of us

That is awful reasoning.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

Okay, I am caught up to page 49...yeah I fell asleep most of my catch up time meds...happens every morning nowadays.  Anyway, I don't think I can do a full catch up and keep current....I have some posts from my last catch up that I am going to go through...but it would be really nice if a few of you (3+)  would please give me a summation of what you think are the most important parts of the game going briefly from beginning of game cause tbqh I don't remember that much from it and it would be nice to have it all in one post

 

Oh yeah, no you're right

 

Apparently I suck at English. 

 

Point taken. 

 

I apologize.  I knew it was rude the minute I hit the post button...and you are right I am not one to talk....sorry  

[Darthe]

If you think thats rude I can see why I come across poorly.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

 

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

I have Monstr in my town pile. Dice is a huge questionmark for me though. I go back and forth.  

 

My heart says 1 of Dice/Nego are scum. Just feels for now.

 

 

mark this as null...its a reads list but no explanations.  

 

p25-29

(Still my catchup thoughts and opinions)  ADDED MY OWN THOUGHTS IN BOLD

 

 

 

 

 

as long as its on believer or tink  im in

 

How people get these reads after such little interaction is beyond me.

 

 

Actually after no interaction. We haven't even spoken to each other yet itt. What's the deal Dice?

 

 

The insisting on interaction before someone can decide alignment is not true at all, and i’m going to say slight scum alignment, regardless of the actual content of these posts. Interaction means someone can talk themselves out of it. Your play by interaction with the other players should be towny enough without having to explain yourself to everyone.* More thoughts on his saying this is in my ISO spoiler on p26 (#507) I find this rather amusing.

 

For one, yes. Hard to interact when he's not here.

For two, if he expected to be interacted with - and thus be around for that to occur - then why did he say he won't be here D1?

And as conclusion, did he use that as a way to pass by D1 without too much worry? This may be done as either alignment, of course.  THIS IS POST 507

 

Looking at the actual content, Dice explains himself immediately when asked (#488) so I still don’t think Tiink’s response was the correct one, or in the right way anyway.  

 

I like the red. However, it is more of a fantasy  than an actuality.  I don't think anyone can make their posts so towny that they don't have to explain them to everyone or anyone.  

 

Ok, caught up from yesterday. Thankfully not as much pages as I expected !

 

I do not have experience with a lot of people in this game. Haven't played with Besie, Nego. Played just a handful of games with manbat and calder, don't remember much how they play. 

 

That said, I wanted to know how Blesie played because I kinda saw some kind of appealing tone in this game. I know that she has only played one town game so far and I went ahead and checked it (Lost Mafia- notice her tone. She sounded similar as she is here - excited, analyzing etc. She got mislynched D2 in that game.

 

I don't see anything that has stood out from her so far this game. 

 

im here briefly   just got home from work so too tired for a 10 page catchup.

 

 

@tink  I didnt like the way you backed off ure zander vote

 

Tiinker plays quite safe when he is scum. I know it because I was scum with him in a recent game. I don't see him going for aggressive early votes like in this game as scum. 

 

 

In these posts Pral seems to be looking at meta’s of players, including the ones he has not played with. I’m going with slight town indicative.  From what I know of Pral, I can agree with this.

 

Null on players that have little content makes sense of course. But, when players have a lot, I think you are pressed to defend a null stance on them.

 

I understand Calder’s reasoning here, even though it wasn’t necessary at this point in time. This was at Tiink who couldn’t give specifics yet (even in high posters) due to him not having been able to read the thread properly yet. Not alignment indicative atm, I think.  

 

As far as the quote goes I do not agree.  In most games, I want to stay null on people even into D2 cause I just can't tell/make up my mind/find good reasons for my reads on them.  I guess you can say I want to be totally sure, but yet I do know my reads will change but at the same time I still want to be RIGHT the FIRST time. 

 

How can you blatantly say that you havent read enough to make an informed decision then not read enough to make an informed decision and just say "null is good enough for now?"

 

I agree with Calder it's not a good look

 

Quoted this cause I’m not going back to quote the original (p27 by Tiink) and mess up the order/time of the quotes in this post.

Tiink is asked for reads on two of the most active posters and says it’s null for him for the sake of saying something. This seems unlikely as he must’ve felt something whilst reading it, but it also shows that Tiink has not been involved in the game by this stage at all. I’ve no alignment indicative opinion on this at this stage.

 

staying silent

 

The wolfy response is "that sounds like work" or "I'll dodge that question instead by not really answering it with any thought"

 

Villagers can think about why they find someone suspicious and it forces the wolves to try to pretend to when every villager starts thinking

 

This is one example - he keeps giving advice as to how to play as villager. Kinda reminds me of cory. Slight town indicative. It feels like he has nothing to hide. Plus, by constantly “giving advice” he is sharing his thoughts on how he thinks a villa should play – and I have not seen anything that is wrong. His three posts directly after one another is a bit odd in that it felt like he feels like he should add more and more to clarify – but this doesn’t mean anything alignment to me atm.

 

I don't get the red. Can't wrap my brain around it.  just saying  

 

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

And I chose zander over tiink partly because this isn't zander's best showing if he's a villager and partly because I think calder is likely to be a villager so I wanted to see where his read went

 

Tink I've already cooled on anyway and kinda don't really think he's a wolf

 

reads list with iffy explanations: 

 

Light Salmon: It's an answer of sorts...but its pretty obvious.  He is more deeply involved in another game. so what??

Medium Blue: What does Calder being a villager have to do with zander being a wolf??

Purple: Okay so you've completely confused me now. You have 1. zander 2. tiink 3. calder.  So who's "read" are you looking for???  I am assuming zander's but its hard to tell.

Red: Why bother with the three above except to sow confusion? You already had your mind set on zander cause you've already cooled on tink and don't think he's a wolf (paraphrased).

 

I poked at Tiink a bunch too, but he handled it well. Plus I like that Zander defended him. Unlikely to be his teammate if Zander is indeed a wolf.

 

A wolf flip basically clears Tiink considering Zander's open defense.

 

Good point here....at least so far as I've read.  

 

If zander is a villager I'm having a hard time ranking which of calder/darthe/Sooh I would think is most likely to be a wolf trying to lynch him

 

Calder I've never seen as a wolf go out of his way to try to get some random villager lynched but I think I've only seen a few of his games.

 

Darthe has a few posts that seem like they could be pocketing me but he also has like one of the highest thread presences in the game

 

Sooh has very villagery tone but voted zander in a spot where, if he is a villager, looks a little bit shady just because of (and if I'm remembering it sorry) the way she seemed to say "f it" and vote zander

 

I don't think it's possible for calder and Sooh to be on a scum team because of the way calder is approaching soon, but aside from that I don't think I can rule out multiple wolves on the wagon. It is also possible they are villagers so yeah

 

If zander is a wolf I think calder has a point that it's likely Sooh is the only person bussing him, but I think it's more likely that wolves are simply calling him a villager and avoiding his wagon in this case

 

Makes a few connections that I hadn't thought of as I was just trying to catch up.

 

 

 

 

*snip*

 

*snip*

I'm gonna go ahead and end this argument without a response because otherwise we will talk in circles for three hours and no wolves will ever get lynched

 

Why do you think zander is a villager

 

 

lol, agreed.

 

I had him as town (with all the reasons indicated in my post on p22) up to that page. Since then, he's had that argument thing with Believer, and I do agree that it made Believer seem towny. But I don't think it did the opposite as well - which was to make Zander seem scummy. imo He was just trying to game solve. Maybe in some strange way, but imo it wasn't that different from when he was arguing with me about how i've come to like being town. He's a meta player. If the meta of a person is challenged, he pokes all possible corners of an argument before accepting it and changing his meta of that person. I honestly think he was just poking and prodding Believer to hear the full extent of Believer's gameplay - to better understand it, and obviously to catch Believer if he was lying too. He backed off - and i think this is a big thing. He backed off of the Believer argument - exactly like he did about mine - because he saw the sense in it and decided that that wasn't a route he could use to find scum. 

 

He's not been around, that is true. But he's been fully busy. I know this. I posted about his time here because i was both trying to find some other reason for his being voted as scum - as i'm doing with everyone - and also to see who would reply to it. An opportunity created.

 

Is that good enough for now? I accept that my thoughts on him might change if he does something I don't agree with, but at this moment I'm not wtl him.

 

 

good post on zander.  nicely done.

 

 

 

Thanks monstrman.

 

I have Sooh’s (v/w – p25 #483) – would you please go into detail? You said you didn’t have time then.

 

I might have missed some.

 

Still reading from p25

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

I feel like I've explained this a couple of times since then. Going to assume you've found some of it by now. 

 

 

 

 

Tink seems fine, just comes across as a generally kinda wolfy dude.

 

Sooh, how are you developing your thoughts?

I read the thread?

 

If you're referring to my vote on Tiinker I just read his latest progression. It doesn't look great. Could be like you say that he's just a wolfy looking townie, and I know I have been part of lynches of him in the past where he has been, but consider it a push to come in and make some reads with basis in the thread.

 

 

Then why not explain it at the time of the vote?

 

Its kinda like what you did to me earlier that i called a drive by shading.

 

Its a bit sketchy imo.

 

I felt like it was clear from the thread at that point. Don't know why you're expecting to be explained everything with a tea spoon tbh. 

 

As for "shading", I think you're assuming that people can't think for themselves and make up their own minds. You're asking me to explain how I'm developing my reads, well, that "shading" was a part of developing a read. I'm explaining what I see in the thread and how I interpret things, and dismissing it as "shading" doesn't sit well with me either tbh. 

 

My flyby "shading" of you was during my lunch at work. I had exactly enough time to come in, read up and drop my thoughts and ideas in the thread. Then I had to go outside and watch kidlets being obnoxious. 

 

I know you've heard about pressure votes before, so I don't get why you're reading this as "shading" at all actually. Considering what happened later (which may have had absolutely nothing to do with my vote, I know) I don't regret voting Tiinker at all. 

 

 

Good comeback by sooh.  Explains herself decently.

 

Zander I need you to somehow confirm or condemn yourself to me in one post

 

So can you please do me a huge favor and just make one list of your current reads of the thread on everyone all at once?

 

Ily bro I don't want to lynch you if you're not a wolf

 

I haven't come across it yet and I am on top of pg 50....don't know what pg this was on though??

 

Zander def a wolf here. Theres no tunnel, and no fire.

 

Does anyone think theres a chance in hell that he quotes my post where I vote him without any stated reason and he says its not wolfy??

 

Definitely a challenge to zander.  I believe zander takes up challenge further ITT.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

I also want people to look at how Zander responded to my accusations. He shrugged it off and said I had "no raisins."

 

From a standard player, sure. That is a conservative way to respond as eithet alignment. But, ask yourself what town Zander does 90% of the time. He comes back hard at that person. Showers them in posts. Often bumps them to the top of his suspect list and maybe votes them. Yet, he goes with the shrug off.

 

Not town Zander. Not in this game.

 

*this message brought to you by the Pirate Lord Council of Tortuga.

 

As i stated i was like 15 pages behind and catching up when I seen that.

 

You made one comment really atp with an actual reason which Ive questioned and have never seen a response to.

 

Thought Id wait till I was caught up to see if you were actually trying to progress a read on me or trying to push me.

 

 

 

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up. 

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted. 

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”. 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed. 

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

Tiink's big catchup isn't huge in terms of content, but I can see how he might have come to the conclusions he has. 

 

In terms of what made me suspect Tiinker to begin with it comes down to a couple of things. One is the Zander vote and backtracking. First it's the fact that he chose to jump on Z for the reason he did, valid or not. It seemed like he was searching for a reason to vote someone, and that was the weak reasoning he found. It was also based on pure guesswork as far as I can tell, or poor memory. One of the two. I don't remember exactly where in the game this happened, but from my recollection it was after we were done with the initial jokes back and forth, so I would expect a vote at that point to at least be somewhat serious unless otherwise indicated in the post. There was nothing in that vote post that made me believe that Tiinker was trying to joke-vote Z though, so with at least a semi-serious vote it's strange that it was dropped so soon after. 

 

Another thing that I felt was scummy about Tiinker was how he handled being asked about reads last night before he came back and made these reads. He seemed dismissive, and that was the reason why I chose to vote him at the time. Now, with these ~ok reads I'm willing to give him more time. Color me not convinced, but at least satisfied enough to give him more time.

 

[unvote]

 

About Z though. Z is usually pretty good at mimicking his town game when scum. The difference as I see it is the level of just general eagerness in which he approaches the game. He had a good start in terms of that, but he has tapered off some, and there have been some reads that I had some trouble following in terms of the sincerity in them, or perhaps the nitpicky-ness. 

 

 

 

You know what

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Now you have things to count, Nyn

 

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him.  Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

 

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

 

Youre about to get your dose of humble pie imo.

 

 

This post by zander is what I like to see from zander.  I just read the OP and found out that z was lynched D1.  Like how could you......

 

Before I go to sleep, below is what I think so far. Still a bit to catch up, will do tomorrow. 

 

 

Tiinklove - I mentioned about how he plays it safe when he is scum. I have played with him as scum and it definitely is not the same tone here. Yes, he went aggressive on Zander. He was dismissive when asked for reads. I dont see him do these things that would get him attention if he was scum. Townie

 

Sooh - Has been active and reasonable in her reads. There are some posts that I liked - for example, her response to Zander when she talked about low posters or the way she was rethinking her reads as the game progressed . I had her as scum in Black Metal game when she was town and I see some bit of that impulsiveness in her play. Townie

 

Monstr - I liked his responses when I mentioned about a few suspicion I had on him. Based on others who have played with him, he gets emotional sometimes and that it is normal for him. When my argument with him ended, this post looks like it is coming from a villager. I would have expected scum to take advantage but that was good response. 

 

Darthe - He is more enthusiastic, inquisitive that I think he is mostly town. I think it could be for the fact that a lot of players in this game are known to him already. He has commented pretty much on all players. But, he is also someone who can mask well as scum and I have bitter, personal experience of that. For now, he is town. 

 

Zander - I have never been able to read him right. He has been less active this game - presumably because of the other game we are playing which is more critical. I see him getting heat for it. I am just seeing the same tone he has in all the other games I have played with him. Nothing specifically stands out from him. Null to town. 

 

Besie - I have pretty much given my opinion of her earlier. Most of the early votes on her stemmed from people who kind of knew her meta. Especially zander insisted that he knows her very well and this is not her town game. I frankly don't know how she plays but what she posted hasn't exactly stood out as scum. Null to town

 

Nego - No idea about his meta. First game with him. Has a lot of posts that has seemed fine. Pretty much straightforward type of posts. But, no idea on his game so far without a knowledge of his meta. Null

 

Believer - He said the same thing about his disinterest in D1 in the other game where he was town. Pretty much the same opening lines, the same tone. . Probably will be able to resolve with more information later in the game. Null

 

Nolder - Has hardly posted but he seems to be saying that he is catching. Have been in the same position a lot of times, so I understand. I would say, null. 

 

Hellian - He is in this game?

 

Calder - Something about him, the way he jokes about being scum doesn't sit right with me. Like this, this or his first post. I know it is meant as a joke and I guess he would be doing the same in other games but repeating the same thing in a number of posts looks fake to me. It is something scum can easily hide behind. He has been focused on Tink and zander pretty much the whole game and i feel some sense of nudgniness in his posts. Gut says he is scum. 

 

Dice - He has so far gone on Believer and tink in this game. Both are easy votes - especially given Believer's unwillingness to play D1 a lot and tinker's vote/unvote of zander. Both are easy to latch on to and push as scum. Responses like this seems forced and nudgy. I don't see his game here similar to the other games where I have seen him town.

 

Nice reads list w/ good reasonings.

 

 

And I chose zander over tiink partly because this isn't zander's best showing if he's a villager and partly because I think calder is likely to be a villager so I wanted to see where his read went

 

Tink I've already cooled on anyway and kinda don't really think he's a wolf

 

Can you elaborate on why please?

 

 

1. If zander is a villager I'm having a hard time ranking which of calder/darthe/Sooh I would think is most likely to be a wolf trying to lynch him
2. Calder I've never seen as a wolf go out of his way to try to get some random villager lynched but I think I've only seen a few of his games.
3. Darthe has a few posts that seem like they could be pocketing me but he also has like one of the highest thread presences in the game
4. Sooh has very villagery tone but voted zander in a spot where, if he is a villager, looks a little bit shady just because of (and if I'm remembering it sorry) the way she seemed to say "f it" and vote zander
5. I don't think it's possible for calder and Sooh to be on a scum team because of the way calder is approaching soon, but aside from that I don't think I can rule out multiple wolves on the wagon. It is also possible they are villagers so yeah
6. If zander is a wolf I think calder has a point that it's likely Sooh is the only person bussing him, but I think it's more likely that wolves are simply calling him a villager and avoiding his wagon in this case

 

1.  I am a Villager.  I feel like Sooh should know me the best but as Ive been going along i think back to the game where sussed me for something that made no sense to me and we were both Villas then i ML'd her replacement for it.  Tho admittedly Sooh was sick that game.
2. This is not an ego thing here but am I really some random villager?  I just mean like Im pretty intense as Town and I if I think I get on to something, Ive been told I can be pretty relentless and if Im correct and sussing a Wolf it tends to draw a lot of attention to them.  Im also very vocal and can usually get myself close to clear pretty quickly when I start feeling it.  I dont have that hard of a time imagining Scum any of them saying "Well Zander's not been really active here's an opportunity to get him ml'd."
3. FDLFMD imo
4. In Sooh's defense she did throw some shade or if Town suss at me early on.
5. Can you show me where you dont think Sooh and Calder can be w/w based on his approach to Sooh?
6. Why is Sooh the most likely to Buss of the 3 iyo?

 

 

Some more of the Zander I've come to know and and you lynched him, wtf????

 

 

 

And I chose zander over tiink partly because this isn't zander's best showing if he's a villager and partly because I think calder is likely to be a villager so I wanted to see where his read went

Tink I've already cooled on anyway and kinda don't really think he's a wolf

 

Can you elaborate on why please?

 

 

 

• If zander is a villager I'm having a hard time ranking which of calder/darthe/Sooh I would think is most likely to be a wolf trying to lynch him
• Calder I've never seen as a wolf go out of his way to try to get some random villager lynched but I think I've only seen a few of his games.
• Darthe has a few posts that seem like they could be pocketing me but he also has like one of the highest thread presences in the game
• Sooh has very villagery tone but voted zander in a spot where, if he is a villager, looks a little bit shady just because of (and if I'm remembering it sorry) the way she seemed to say "f it" and vote zander
• I don't think it's possible for calder and Sooh to be on a scum team because of the way calder is approaching soon, but aside from that I don't think I can rule out multiple wolves on the wagon. It is also possible they are villagers so yeah
• If zander is a wolf I think calder has a point that it's likely Sooh is the only person bussing him, but I think it's more likely that wolves are simply calling him a villager and avoiding his wagon in this case

 

•  I am a Villager.  I feel like Sooh should know me the best but as Ive been going along i think back to the game where sussed me for something that made no sense to me and we were both Villas then i ML'd her replacement for it.  Tho admittedly Sooh was sick that game.
• This is not an ego thing here but am I really some random villager?  I just mean like Im pretty intense as Town and I if I think I get on to something, Ive been told I can be pretty relentless and if Im correct and sussing a Wolf it tends to draw a lot of attention to them.  Im also very vocal and can usually get myself close to clear pretty quickly when I start feeling it.  I dont have that hard of a time imagining Scum any of them saying "Well Zander's not been really active here's an opportunity to get him ml'd."
• FDLFMD imo
• In Sooh's defense she did throw some shade or if Town suss at me early on.
• Can you show me where you dont think Sooh and Calder can be w/w based on his approach to Sooh?
• Why is Sooh the most likely to Buss of the 3 iyo?

1. Noted

 

2. To a wolf, every player is just some random villager unless they pose a direct threat to that wolf's safety

 

I mean, if anything you being zander reinforces the point that calder going out of his way to push you seems uncharacteristically bold from him from my perspective

 

3. ??? ??? ???

 

4. Also noted

 

5. No because I'm on phone but since I have a near perfect thread memory I can basically say it went along the lines of calder saying "wow Sooh is tied to zander and also a wolf she's the deepwolf that you all are town reading" and I mean, I dunno at the time it seemed like it would be unlikely for calder to outright say something like that as a wolf about his wolfbro, but I mean I guess it's possible? I still don't think it's likely because I don't see calder, despite the joking kind of nature he has, going to that extreme when he could simply clear Sooh as well and ensure they were both out of danger

 

Who knows for sure

 

6. Sooh is the most likely bus of the three because you are most notably bussing her back, so logically it would make the most sense since from the perspective of the wolves that would accomplish the most distancing. The way calder is approaching you seems less indicative of a bus and more indicative of a wolf railroading a villager or as I see it a very confident villager. Darthe just voted you and said "i'm right he's a wolf" so it's a possible bus but begs the question "why bus so half heartedly?" Because it seems too obvious

 

 

Nice comeback manbat. cudos.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

Not having the best night atm. Got some strange chest pains going on. Nothing serious though I don't think. Dunno. Husband is taking really good care of me. 

 

Monstr, if you think I'm a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me and I'll respond when I get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your head and nothing concrete that I can refute in any way except shouting "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us.

If you're town, underplaying my work by claiming that all I've done this game is claim "I'm Town you guys" isn't helpful to either of us

 

 

Monstr: I think you are misunderstanding sooh's post....

 

She is saying: If you (Monstr) think I'm (sooh) a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me (sooh) and I'll (sooh) respond when I (sooh) get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your (Monstr) head and nothing concrete that I (sooh) can  refute in any way except shouting (the last PRONOUN was the I (sooh) so she is saying she (sooh) will be shouting) "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us. 

 

that better???

 

DISCLAIMER:   I HAVE NO READS ON ANYONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  HOWEVER, I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE MISUNDERSTOOD.

 

 

 

If you think thats rude I can see why I come across poorly.

 

The above post was the one that was rude....The post that was quoted with my apology was basically him saying my english sucks too.  

[Wildfire Sedai]

@ darthe: I don't suppose you'd want to throw out a summary for me, while I read the EoD and night to see if I can get caught up.  Please....

[Darthe]

Hey what are the odds youd cut it down to one punctuation mark per sentence?

[Darthe]

@ darthe: I don't suppose you'd want to throw out a summary for me, while I read the EoD and night to see if I can get caught up. Please....

Afraid not, sorry. Im a bit to RL busy this weekend. But, in short, nol besie calder and zander were d1 suspects that went somewhere, a lot of people floated around or popped in and out, and the game has no focus.

[Darthe]

Btw, saying things like "you lynched zander, wtf" is really irking when youve shown for ten games that youve no idea how to act like a villager.

[monstrman]

nolder isn't a bad scum suspect either

 

I wonder if anyone will notice why I think that calder was killed for these reasons

[monstrman]

isoing you sooh

 

currently it seems alright, not really sure what to think of it since I don't know that I've ever seen you wolf. Still. Usually I can read you right I guess? I don't want to just default to reading you villager though and I have a reason that makes me think it's somewhat probabilistically likely for your slot to be wolf

[monstrman]

I think the game should focus on besie/sooh/believer/nolder for now

 

I like what pral has been saying, though kat has been conspicuously absent as his hydra partner.

 

Dice feels like he could have some deepwolf equity because he's played so many games before, but like darthe said that one post that he made that darthe pointed out was town dice to a T was the same reason I had townread dice so I feel like he's probably just a villager?

 

I've seen flashes of villageriness from tink, I'd like to see more in depth analysis more often, though.

 

Nego is trying and he said he'd do more today so maybe nego try isoing those people and let me know what reads you come up with and I'll do the same

Wildfire has been posting okay enough today to not get lynched I think, but I'm not 100% confident they are a villager.
 

Darthe seems okay unless he's playing really well

[monstrman]

nolder being a wolf would give towncred to everyone trying to CFD him yesterday

[dicetosser1]

it would also be a good place to start.

 

 

he popped in last night after attempted cfd on him and dropped like 1 post i think that didnt even mention it. and i feel like hes done the one post pop in before in this tho that may be wrong

 

 

vote nolder

[Wildfire Sedai]

just for future reference as I ran out of time tonight.  Off to bed.  Goodnight.

 

 

 

In fact, that whole post looks like a guilt trip

 

 

 

In fact, that whole post looks like a guilt trip

AtE if ever there was any.

 

 

 

[Nolder]

I feel like this deadline is a coded message.

[Nolder]

Well, it doesn't look like laying low has done me much good.

This is why I don't try to hide as a PR everyone just wants to lynch me anyway so screw it.

Anyway I followed Darthe last night and he did not go anywhere.