[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[monstrman]

How did I delete everything and it turned out nothing got deleted

 

I literally erased ALL of that

[Pralaya]

 

What Im referring to with Besie was your ive never played with her before (when you had) but decided to ISO her Town game then you both proceed to Town read each other irrc.

 

 

I talked to you about that. I frankly didn't remember the game I had played with her. The game was at a tough time in my life when there were crazy floods and I was stuck at the house with no outside access. I had to go back and check after you mentioned it. 

[Zander?]

My last Scum game iirc was Cory's Mafia Karts.

 

Ill look back and see if theres another after

[Pralaya]

 

Anyway, about your train, I see it mostly clean except Calder. It most likely stemmed from your initial disinterest in your game but I don't hate your latest post and read list. 

 

It wasnt even disinterest it was that i was so involved with the other game for DL.

 

 

I know and get it because I am/was also involved in that game. But, you don't expect everyone to see the same way, right?

[Zander?]

 

 

Anyway, about your train, I see it mostly clean except Calder. It most likely stemmed from your initial disinterest in your game but I don't hate your latest post and read list. 

 

It wasnt even disinterest it was that i was so involved with the other game for DL.

 

 

I know and get it because I am/was also involved in that game. But, you don't expect everyone to see the same way, right?

 

 

No ofc not.  But I mean if theyre Town and have doubts then obv go check it out ISO me and just look at the time stamps.

 

But really tho it wasnt like the game started then i like waited a full rl day before posting.

 

I was the very first poster and only peaced out for a bit to play the game,

 

Super active- out for a bit- Super active.

 

I dont mind a little suss for that, but to be in part, getting run up for it, i do.

[Zander?]

The moment when the Wolves just realized that pushing me was not gonna go as they planned....

 

[Guest]

up to middle p58

 

There’s some questions in here for Calder, Sooh, Tiink

 

 

 

 

You never lynch Zander here.

 

 

NEVER

 

are you just trying to pocket me?!?!!?!?!??

 

Can you explain why you feel this way atp?

 

 

I thought you had me as town? No?

 

I feel you're town and I'm trying to prevent a mislynch here.

 

 

 

 

If I wanted to pocket you, I could just PM you with my nipples, it wouldn't even have to be public.

 

 

this is the post that I don’t think is an adequate reason 

 

Wow. So many questions.

1. Why would you all post so much on Friday night.

2. Not so much a question as hahhahaha for letting Zander off the hook. Not only is his play so obv off, that list where he bullshitted together and only has me as schm, and his scum flip gets us Besie too.

Just wow.

 

Ah, hi there.

Could you please share your thought process as to why Zander/Besie is w/w?

 

 

[i missed a quote here so i'll go find it after posting this]

 

 

 

Thank god for Darthe and Sooh. My mind is screaming that the scum team has to be:

Zander
Nolder
Besie

Talk to me about Besie, since that's where we have the most conflicting view atm.

My issue with Besie is that while I and others were discussing Zander and Nolder at times, she didnt have a huge issue with the cases on them. Yet she kept ISOing others oddly and it gave me the vibe of trying to find a 3rd lynch candidate that wasnt on her team.

It is why I commented that I believe she is the most active scum member of the team.

She is also the reason a Zander lynch is preferable to Nolder, since Besie's play puts her as most likely to be Zander's scum partner. A nolder lynch doesnt do the same.

 

 

this is almost good reasoning. I’m town though, so nah.

Completely agreed – I have no huge issue with Zander and/or Nolder. Nolder cause he’s barely played. Zander because even though I still believe he’s town rather than scum, I admit that I’m biased towards that and I’ve been keeping an open mind. NOT open enough to vote him D1 without good reason.

No, I don’t count him not being here as good reason  - he has another game.

I don’t count his lower wim as good enough reason – he has another game. Can’t say more about that cause I’m not actually supposed to bring up other ongoing games.

And the times he has been here, he’s been wimmy, and obviously defending himself – which could be either alignment, granted.

And yes. I was iso’ing others. Why? Oh that’s right, because even though YOU think you have the whole scum team, I do not. So I’m trying to find the rest. 

 

I don't remember Besie mentioning Nolder at all. Has she?

 

I have, albeit only once or twice. I don’t like his random pop-ins and general lack of effort. I believe that’s common on getting a scum rand. Am I mistaken iyo?

 

I'm going to agree that the past 5-10 pages have been very wonky and I think Zander is the right target. I don't think he looks good at all here and he's even posting in a different format. The things he says here actually have some obvious general progression while he has absolutely no issue saying whatever sporadic thought he has in the town games I've played with him. Going another way seems like a clusterbomb for trying to establish reads on people after 50 pages.

 

 

 

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him.  Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

 

 

Funnily enough, I don't think a town zander feels the need to clarify his thoughts here.

 

Is this your meta of him, Tiink? How many games do you have together?

Could you link to a game where his format was different?

 

*snip*

 

So again anyone else notice:

 

Ive completely caught.

 

Provided a reads.

 

Cased Calder.

 

Asked even more question and post concerns and comment on other players and complain because Calder's been ignoring my questions.

 

Well from the above after all that.

 

Still hasnt addressed my previous questions.

 

Doesnt address any new ones either.

 

Doesnt comment or question a SINGLE read I make, just calls it BS.

 

No attempt at ALL to reevaluate me.

 

These are all prolly coming from a Towny PoV....

 

And Im still the only real train and have been the majority of the game.

 

COME ON PEOPLE!!!

 

 

Most of what you say make sense, and I saw it too, yes. I didn’t expect any kind of re-evaluation though. Darthe and Calder are set on voting you under almost any circumstances; surely you can see that.

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Zander (4): Calder, Darthe, Sooh, Tinker

Calder (2): Besie, Zander

dice (1): Nego

Believer (1): dice

Nolder (1): Believer

 

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (4): The rest of you wankers.

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline:

 

 

Still the lead wagon and have been for awhile.

 

Notably all the votes came when I was not around.

 

No other real wagon.

 

Now big difference if my train builds up late or something.

 

But you think if Im Scum!Zander and get heat that early that someone on this theoretical team wouldnt try to build another???

 

 

 

Theoretically yes. If you were scum!Zander then you could ask your team to build a wagon somewhere else. But even if they agree that’s 2, max 3 people on someone else and still not enough to move, is it? Plus, theoretically, it would look much better for the rest of your team if at least on is on scum!you.

 

You say a lot but really don't ever get anywhere with it

 

I get this feeling too.

 

 

[Sooh]

*snip*

 

Also how many Mafia games have you played?

 

You have no idea or thoughts about D1 trains at all???

 

Like not even in general?

 

I find that hard to believe considering youve played more maf then me, are smarter then me and can Ask a Pizza Guy unlimited mafia related questions.

 

What do you think of all his associtive reads based off my Scum flip like you and Besie but wants to lynch Nolder tomorrow?

 

Why then would Town!Calder just ignore most all my posts and questions and not try to build his case anymore nor appear to be reevaluating it.

 

 

*snip*

 

Have you EVER seen me really use AtE as SCum???

 

Have you seen me do it as Town.

 

I think is Shads Bolescvick game were Town!Derf and Town!Lainey come in give like 0 real reason for scum reading me, refuse to do anything and peace out.

 

Read my ISO there and tell me what you think.

 

*snip*

 

I believe I said in my reply to you that there could be several reasons for just one train on D1 and that being a scum train. Generally speaking it's not very common to have one train on a scum D1 with little to no protests (for the record you have more than one person defending you atm. Believer perhaps being the strongest voice iirc), but like I said, there are worlds where this is an option. 

 

Contrary to what you obviously believe I don't have my husband sitting next to me guiding me in every game I play. I don't have a permanent mafia tutor. That's kind of offensive actually, that I can't think for myself but need him to do it for me. 

 

I'm not Calder and I can't tell you why he's not responding to your posts. Perhaps he's just very certain he caught scum and doesn't want to entertain you with further talk. I don't know. I have seen Calder's reads skip back and forth this D1, and I've seen him make several theories about people who might make sense as a scum team with you. I haven't seen him make a firm stance on who that might be, so I haven't really made note of that. 

 

I don't know how "have you ever seen me do X as scum?" is a good argument for why you wouldn't change things up. 

[Guest]

the quote i missclicked in the prev post

 

Question @ Sooh

 

 

Catching up from where I left off last night.

 

p 46-48. To those of you who say that Z and I are bussing wolves, just stop. We're not bussing. At least one of us is town, and while I have iffy feelings about the other this is never bussing. 

 

Monstr-Besie is interesting. I feel like both ends of that conversation held up pretty well under scrutiny. Actually feeling kinda dizzy after that. Not sure I like Darthe poking in and trying to tilt the conversation against Besie. It seemed like an attempt to antagonize imo with his "Let's see how she can get out of this one". It's parphrased, but that was the general idea of the comment. I think both Monstr and Besie came out of it looking better.

 

 

These reads are in no particular order:

 

 

Will not lynch: Monstr, Nego, Besie, Calder, Believer.

 

Unsure: Tiinker, Kat/Pral, Dice, (Hellian), Darthe

 

WTL: Zander, Nolder.

 

I feel like Monstr has had pretty solid solving posts throughout the game so far. He's attacking where he sees fit and investigating, and if he gets satisfactory responses he's not pursuing it anymore and rather clearing people over it. I've seen Pizza do the same as town in the past so I get this kind of behavior.

 

Nego has this air of the wise man coming into the thread with his wisdom. I don't get why people have him as suspicious. 

 

Besie started out oddly to me, but she has come a long way since then. Her latest back and forth with Monstr looked really good to me. I think if she was scum this game she would have been a lot more defensive in her posts and tone. Here she quite calmly explained her view, even with the pokes from Darthe in the mix.

 

Calder and I have just been seeing a lot of the same things and mindmelding. Also if what Darthe said about him being relaxed being a good look, then I definitely feel like he is this game. 

 

Believer is up in my will not lynch mainly based on a gut feeling. 

 

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

Kat/Pral will be interesting to observe when Kat comes into the game. Classic Pral so far, but he has always been one of those I have difficulty placing.

 

Dice is more of the same. I don't trust my ability to read him D1, so that's why he's here on my list.

 

Hellian is off the plate until replaced.

 

Darthe was initially a high read for me, but I didn't like his actions in the recent Besie/Monstr spat.

 

WTL: 

Zander. I feel like I've explained my thoughts on Zander many enough times this game. His most recent reads list does look pretty well thought out, though consensus-y.

 

Nolder: His catchup was underwhelming and he has zero real time interactions. 

 

bolded: I didn’t feel like he was doing at the time, so I don’t completely agree with you.

Plus, I believe Darthe had Monstrman as town – or at least more town than me – at that stage so it makes sense.

 

Why are you still unsure about Darthe? He’s posted quite a bit, so I kinda expect some kind of opinion. Is he neutral to you atm or slightly more town or scum? Or what?

 

 

[Sooh]

 

I don't remember Besie mentioning Nolder at all. Has she?

 

I have, albeit only once or twice. I don’t like his random pop-ins and general lack of effort. I believe that’s common on getting a scum rand. Am I mistaken iyo?

He is my second WTL, so I agree with you. I just thought you had not mentioned him a lot, at least not enough for me to have a firm memory of it. 

[Sooh]

the quote i missclicked in the prev post

 

Question @ Sooh

 

Catching up from where I left off last night.

 

p 46-48. To those of you who say that Z and I are bussing wolves, just stop. We're not bussing. At least one of us is town, and while I have iffy feelings about the other this is never bussing. 

 

Monstr-Besie is interesting. I feel like both ends of that conversation held up pretty well under scrutiny. Actually feeling kinda dizzy after that. Not sure I like Darthe poking in and trying to tilt the conversation against Besie. It seemed like an attempt to antagonize imo with his "Let's see how she can get out of this one". It's parphrased, but that was the general idea of the comment. I think both Monstr and Besie came out of it looking better.

 

 

 

 

These reads are in no particular order:

 

 

Will not lynch: Monstr, Nego, Besie, Calder, Believer.

 

Unsure: Tiinker, Kat/Pral, Dice, (Hellian), Darthe

 

WTL: Zander, Nolder.

 

I feel like Monstr has had pretty solid solving posts throughout the game so far. He's attacking where he sees fit and investigating, and if he gets satisfactory responses he's not pursuing it anymore and rather clearing people over it. I've seen Pizza do the same as town in the past so I get this kind of behavior.

 

Nego has this air of the wise man coming into the thread with his wisdom. I don't get why people have him as suspicious. 

 

Besie started out oddly to me, but she has come a long way since then. Her latest back and forth with Monstr looked really good to me. I think if she was scum this game she would have been a lot more defensive in her posts and tone. Here she quite calmly explained her view, even with the pokes from Darthe in the mix.

 

Calder and I have just been seeing a lot of the same things and mindmelding. Also if what Darthe said about him being relaxed being a good look, then I definitely feel like he is this game. 

 

Believer is up in my will not lynch mainly based on a gut feeling. 

 

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

Kat/Pral will be interesting to observe when Kat comes into the game. Classic Pral so far, but he has always been one of those I have difficulty placing.

 

Dice is more of the same. I don't trust my ability to read him D1, so that's why he's here on my list.

 

Hellian is off the plate until replaced.

 

Darthe was initially a high read for me, but I didn't like his actions in the recent Besie/Monstr spat.

 

WTL: 

Zander. I feel like I've explained my thoughts on Zander many enough times this game. His most recent reads list does look pretty well thought out, though consensus-y.

 

Nolder: His catchup was underwhelming and he has zero real time interactions. 

 

 

 

bolded: I didn’t feel like he was doing at the time, so I don’t completely agree with you.

Plus, I believe Darthe had Monstrman as town – or at least more town than me – at that stage so it makes sense.

 

Why are you still unsure about Darthe? He’s posted quite a bit, so I kinda expect some kind of opinion. Is he neutral to you atm or slightly more town or scum? Or what?

 

Tbh, Darthe scares me a bit. I felt last game like I had him pegged and I trusted him as town throughout. He was scum there. I liked his beginning here as I said, but there's something about him trying to tilt your argument with Monstr one direction over the other that makes me feel unsure about him. He has also voiced his opinion in wanting to lynch Z, so if Z flips tonight and is scum I'll probably feel better about him. 

 

What about you? Do you feel like Darthe is town?

[Zander?]

 

*snip*

 

Also how many Mafia games have you played?

 

You have no idea or thoughts about D1 trains at all???

 

Like not even in general?

 

I find that hard to believe considering youve played more maf then me, are smarter then me and can Ask a Pizza Guy unlimited mafia related questions.

 

What do you think of all his associtive reads based off my Scum flip like you and Besie but wants to lynch Nolder tomorrow?

 

Why then would Town!Calder just ignore most all my posts and questions and not try to build his case anymore nor appear to be reevaluating it.

 

 

*snip*

 

Have you EVER seen me really use AtE as SCum???

 

Have you seen me do it as Town.

 

I think is Shads Bolescvick game were Town!Derf and Town!Lainey come in give like 0 real reason for scum reading me, refuse to do anything and peace out.

 

Read my ISO there and tell me what you think.

 

*snip*

 

I believe I said in my reply to you that there could be several reasons for just one train on D1 and that being a scum train. Generally speaking it's not very common to have one train on a scum D1 with little to no protests (for the record you have more than one person defending you atm. Believer perhaps being the strongest voice iirc), but like I said, there are worlds where this is an option. 

 

Contrary to what you obviously believe I don't have my husband sitting next to me guiding me in every game I play. I don't have a permanent mafia tutor. That's kind of offensive actually, that I can't think for myself but need him to do it for me. 

 

I'm not Calder and I can't tell you why he's not responding to your posts. Perhaps he's just very certain he caught scum and doesn't want to entertain you with further talk. I don't know. I have seen Calder's reads skip back and forth this D1, and I've seen him make several theories about people who might make sense as a scum team with you. I haven't seen him make a firm stance on who that might be, so I haven't really made note of that. 

 

I don't know how "have you ever seen me do X as scum?" is a good argument for why you wouldn't change things up. 

 

 

So its uncommon then...oh ok.  So your going with the unlikely being more likely approach...Seems legit.

 

Defending me is not what I said tho.  I was saying if I was SCum they be starting another train.  Defending someone does not = pushing someone else imo.

 

Not saying you have Pizza beside you every game holding your hand.  Im saying that whether your playing in a game or not you can talk shop with one of best mafia players I met pretty much w/e you want.

 

Hes currently saying my Scummate Besie but before that it was you.  You dont normally make note of the people sussing you and casing your top Scum suspect?  Seems legit.

 

Bold- The term youre looking for is called Meta imo.

[Darthe]

Z still not remotely off your wolf game, just trying harder at it. posts like the one above where you say wolves realized pushing you wouldn't hook as planned really affirm it.

 

Basically you're saying those pushing you are wolves and that you're not easy to lynch so it shouldn't be tried. That's some heavy rhetoric bs, and beyond that the way you've wreaked everyone on your train says it. Ssying I'm lynching you because of another game, for instance, instead of actually refuting real reasons for this wagon.

 

 

Z is a wolf, I won't vote another player till he is dead.

[Zander?]

Z still not remotely off your wolf game, just trying harder at it. posts like the one above where you say wolves realized pushing you wouldn't hook as planned really affirm it.

 

Basically you're saying those pushing you are wolves and that you're not easy to lynch so it shouldn't be tried. That's some heavy rhetoric bs, and beyond that the way you've wreaked everyone on your train says it. Ssying I'm lynching you because of another game, for instance, instead of actually refuting real reasons for this wagon.

 

 

Z is a wolf, I won't vote another player till he is dead.

 

NAME JUST 1 1 1 1 1 THING IVE YET TO REFUTE?

[Darthe]

Hey besie you asked me something earlier and asked for quotes but it would require writing like 20 pages for context etc so...

 

No.

[Zander?]

 

Z still not remotely off your wolf game, just trying harder at it. posts like the one above where you say wolves realized pushing you wouldn't hook as planned really affirm it.

 

Basically you're saying those pushing you are wolves and that you're not easy to lynch so it shouldn't be tried. That's some heavy rhetoric bs, and beyond that the way you've wreaked everyone on your train says it. Ssying I'm lynching you because of another game, for instance, instead of actually refuting real reasons for this wagon.

 

 

Z is a wolf, I won't vote another player till he is dead.

 

NAME JUST 1 1 1 1 1 THING IVE YET TO REFUTE?

 

 

Also going by that logic shouldnt you be voting Calder?

[Darthe]

 

Z still not remotely off your wolf game, just trying harder at it. posts like the one above where you say wolves realized pushing you wouldn't hook as planned really affirm it.

 

Basically you're saying those pushing you are wolves and that you're not easy to lynch so it shouldn't be tried. That's some heavy rhetoric bs, and beyond that the way you've wreaked everyone on your train says it. Ssying I'm lynching you because of another game, for instance, instead of actually refuting real reasons for this wagon.

 

 

Z is a wolf, I won't vote another player till he is dead.

NAME JUST 1 1 1 1 1 THING IVE YET TO REFUTE?

I've got two for you. You aren't refuting why you only attack players who are against you and you haven't refuted why you didnt begin your omgus behaviors until I pointed out that you were missing it this game.

 

Dont be mad that you had an off start man, happens to all of us. Problem is you had one as a wolf.

[Darthe]

 

 

Z still not remotely off your wolf game, just trying harder at it. posts like the one above where you say wolves realized pushing you wouldn't hook as planned really affirm it.

 

Basically you're saying those pushing you are wolves and that you're not easy to lynch so it shouldn't be tried. That's some heavy rhetoric bs, and beyond that the way you've wreaked everyone on your train says it. Ssying I'm lynching you because of another game, for instance, instead of actually refuting real reasons for this wagon.

 

 

Z is a wolf, I won't vote another player till he is dead.

NAME JUST 1 1 1 1 1 THING IVE YET TO REFUTE?

Also going by that logic shouldnt you be voting Calder?

I could it i didnt think he was town. This is twisting.

[Guest]

 

the quote i missclicked in the prev post

 

Question @ Sooh

 

Catching up from where I left off last night.

 

p 46-48. To those of you who say that Z and I are bussing wolves, just stop. We're not bussing. At least one of us is town, and while I have iffy feelings about the other this is never bussing. 

 

Monstr-Besie is interesting. I feel like both ends of that conversation held up pretty well under scrutiny. Actually feeling kinda dizzy after that. Not sure I like Darthe poking in and trying to tilt the conversation against Besie. It seemed like an attempt to antagonize imo with his "Let's see how she can get out of this one". It's parphrased, but that was the general idea of the comment. I think both Monstr and Besie came out of it looking better.

 

 

 

 

These reads are in no particular order:

 

 

Will not lynch: Monstr, Nego, Besie, Calder, Believer.

 

Unsure: Tiinker, Kat/Pral, Dice, (Hellian), Darthe

 

WTL: Zander, Nolder.

 

I feel like Monstr has had pretty solid solving posts throughout the game so far. He's attacking where he sees fit and investigating, and if he gets satisfactory responses he's not pursuing it anymore and rather clearing people over it. I've seen Pizza do the same as town in the past so I get this kind of behavior.

 

Nego has this air of the wise man coming into the thread with his wisdom. I don't get why people have him as suspicious. 

 

Besie started out oddly to me, but she has come a long way since then. Her latest back and forth with Monstr looked really good to me. I think if she was scum this game she would have been a lot more defensive in her posts and tone. Here she quite calmly explained her view, even with the pokes from Darthe in the mix.

 

Calder and I have just been seeing a lot of the same things and mindmelding. Also if what Darthe said about him being relaxed being a good look, then I definitely feel like he is this game. 

 

Believer is up in my will not lynch mainly based on a gut feeling. 

 

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

Kat/Pral will be interesting to observe when Kat comes into the game. Classic Pral so far, but he has always been one of those I have difficulty placing.

 

Dice is more of the same. I don't trust my ability to read him D1, so that's why he's here on my list.

 

Hellian is off the plate until replaced.

 

Darthe was initially a high read for me, but I didn't like his actions in the recent Besie/Monstr spat.

 

WTL: 

Zander. I feel like I've explained my thoughts on Zander many enough times this game. His most recent reads list does look pretty well thought out, though consensus-y.

 

Nolder: His catchup was underwhelming and he has zero real time interactions. 

 

 

 

bolded: I didn’t feel like he was doing at the time, so I don’t completely agree with you.

Plus, I believe Darthe had Monstrman as town – or at least more town than me – at that stage so it makes sense.

 

Why are you still unsure about Darthe? He’s posted quite a bit, so I kinda expect some kind of opinion. Is he neutral to you atm or slightly more town or scum? Or what?

 

Tbh, Darthe scares me a bit. I felt last game like I had him pegged and I trusted him as town throughout. He was scum there. I liked his beginning here as I said, but there's something about him trying to tilt your argument with Monstr one direction over the other that makes me feel unsure about him. He has also voiced his opinion in wanting to lynch Z, so if Z flips tonight and is scum I'll probably feel better about him.

 

What about you? Do you feel like Darthe is town?

 

 

lol no. I've had him as scum for the longest time.

 

Recently he's moved up for me. Not far enough not to be wtl, but yeah. If he continues playing like this d2 then i will have to rethink my read on him.

 

Bolded: so.. what? Is he scummy atm or not? I get mixed feelings from your post. You sound like he's both town and scum to you at the same time. Will you only feel confident about it D2?

[Guest]

Hey besie you asked me something earlier and asked for quotes but it would require writing like 20 pages for context etc so...

 

No.

 

squinting is occurring

 

I want you to back up your claim.

[Darthe]

Then iso me. I do my work, you can do yours, im not dealing with catering to you.

[Sooh]

 

 

*snip*

 

Also how many Mafia games have you played?

 

You have no idea or thoughts about D1 trains at all???

 

Like not even in general?

 

I find that hard to believe considering youve played more maf then me, are smarter then me and can Ask a Pizza Guy unlimited mafia related questions.

 

What do you think of all his associtive reads based off my Scum flip like you and Besie but wants to lynch Nolder tomorrow?

 

Why then would Town!Calder just ignore most all my posts and questions and not try to build his case anymore nor appear to be reevaluating it.

 

 

*snip*

 

Have you EVER seen me really use AtE as SCum???

 

Have you seen me do it as Town.

 

I think is Shads Bolescvick game were Town!Derf and Town!Lainey come in give like 0 real reason for scum reading me, refuse to do anything and peace out.

 

Read my ISO there and tell me what you think.

 

*snip*

 

I believe I said in my reply to you that there could be several reasons for just one train on D1 and that being a scum train. Generally speaking it's not very common to have one train on a scum D1 with little to no protests (for the record you have more than one person defending you atm. Believer perhaps being the strongest voice iirc), but like I said, there are worlds where this is an option. 

 

Contrary to what you obviously believe I don't have my husband sitting next to me guiding me in every game I play. I don't have a permanent mafia tutor. That's kind of offensive actually, that I can't think for myself but need him to do it for me. 

 

I'm not Calder and I can't tell you why he's not responding to your posts. Perhaps he's just very certain he caught scum and doesn't want to entertain you with further talk. I don't know. I have seen Calder's reads skip back and forth this D1, and I've seen him make several theories about people who might make sense as a scum team with you. I haven't seen him make a firm stance on who that might be, so I haven't really made note of that. 

 

I don't know how "have you ever seen me do X as scum?" is a good argument for why you wouldn't change things up. 

 

 

So its uncommon then...oh ok.  So your going with the unlikely being more likely approach...Seems legit.

 

Defending me is not what I said tho.  I was saying if I was SCum they be starting another train.  Defending someone does not = pushing someone else imo.

 

Not saying you have Pizza beside you every game holding your hand.  Im saying that whether your playing in a game or not you can talk shop with one of best mafia players I met pretty much w/e you want.

 

Hes currently saying my Scummate Besie but before that it was you.  You dont normally make note of the people sussing you and casing your top Scum suspect?  Seems legit.

 

Bold- The term youre looking for is called Meta imo.

 

Right now you're just hurting my head with this back and forth stuff. If I'm going to ISO you I'm going to need time, and I only have about an hour, so let me do my thing if you really want me to go through your body of work so far this game. This is literally getting nobody anywhere.

[Sooh]

 

 

the quote i missclicked in the prev post

 

Question @ Sooh

 

Catching up from where I left off last night.

 

p 46-48. To those of you who say that Z and I are bussing wolves, just stop. We're not bussing. At least one of us is town, and while I have iffy feelings about the other this is never bussing. 

 

Monstr-Besie is interesting. I feel like both ends of that conversation held up pretty well under scrutiny. Actually feeling kinda dizzy after that. Not sure I like Darthe poking in and trying to tilt the conversation against Besie. It seemed like an attempt to antagonize imo with his "Let's see how she can get out of this one". It's parphrased, but that was the general idea of the comment. I think both Monstr and Besie came out of it looking better.

 

 

 

 

These reads are in no particular order:

 

 

Will not lynch: Monstr, Nego, Besie, Calder, Believer.

 

Unsure: Tiinker, Kat/Pral, Dice, (Hellian), Darthe

 

WTL: Zander, Nolder.

 

I feel like Monstr has had pretty solid solving posts throughout the game so far. He's attacking where he sees fit and investigating, and if he gets satisfactory responses he's not pursuing it anymore and rather clearing people over it. I've seen Pizza do the same as town in the past so I get this kind of behavior.

 

Nego has this air of the wise man coming into the thread with his wisdom. I don't get why people have him as suspicious. 

 

Besie started out oddly to me, but she has come a long way since then. Her latest back and forth with Monstr looked really good to me. I think if she was scum this game she would have been a lot more defensive in her posts and tone. Here she quite calmly explained her view, even with the pokes from Darthe in the mix.

 

Calder and I have just been seeing a lot of the same things and mindmelding. Also if what Darthe said about him being relaxed being a good look, then I definitely feel like he is this game. 

 

Believer is up in my will not lynch mainly based on a gut feeling. 

 

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

Kat/Pral will be interesting to observe when Kat comes into the game. Classic Pral so far, but he has always been one of those I have difficulty placing.

 

Dice is more of the same. I don't trust my ability to read him D1, so that's why he's here on my list.

 

Hellian is off the plate until replaced.

 

Darthe was initially a high read for me, but I didn't like his actions in the recent Besie/Monstr spat.

 

WTL: 

Zander. I feel like I've explained my thoughts on Zander many enough times this game. His most recent reads list does look pretty well thought out, though consensus-y.

 

Nolder: His catchup was underwhelming and he has zero real time interactions. 

 

 

 

bolded: I didn’t feel like he was doing at the time, so I don’t completely agree with you.

Plus, I believe Darthe had Monstrman as town – or at least more town than me – at that stage so it makes sense.

 

Why are you still unsure about Darthe? He’s posted quite a bit, so I kinda expect some kind of opinion. Is he neutral to you atm or slightly more town or scum? Or what?

 

Tbh, Darthe scares me a bit. I felt last game like I had him pegged and I trusted him as town throughout. He was scum there. I liked his beginning here as I said, but there's something about him trying to tilt your argument with Monstr one direction over the other that makes me feel unsure about him. He has also voiced his opinion in wanting to lynch Z, so if Z flips tonight and is scum I'll probably feel better about him.

 

What about you? Do you feel like Darthe is town?

 

 

lol no. I've had him as scum for the longest time.

 

Recently he's moved up for me. Not far enough not to be wtl, but yeah. If he continues playing like this d2 then i will have to rethink my read on him.

 

Bolded: so.. what? Is he scummy atm or not? I get mixed feelings from your post. You sound like he's both town and scum to you at the same time. Will you only feel confident about it D2?

 

Outside of his behavior when you and Monstr were having a discussion, no, there's nothing that stands out as particularly scummy.

[Guest]

Then iso me. I do my work, you can do yours, im not dealing with catering to you.

 

pffft. fair enough

[Darthe]

His whole strat is to be so loud and obnoxious that people feel pressured to leave his train. Some of you may well actually follow that, as presence can make up for a lot.