[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 

I don't want to vote you if there's a possibility you're town and there is

So that's not quite a 100% flawless philosophy

honestly i'm not going to be much use today so either lynch me or wait until d2. i'll try to step it up when there's less ppl for me to read but right now it's not possible.

 

i'm just going to catch up and then go to bed. it's already half past two am.

But I don't want to take it to that extreme I just want to talk to you and see what your new reads are

 

And then lynch you if I think you're a wolf

sorry, not going to happen. i have no new reads.

 

i think lynching zander is a bad idea. dice still hasn't said or done anything that would make me think he's town. i keep mixing calder/nolder together because of their names but both seem scummy, the one with the futurama avatar even more so i wouldn't mind lynching there.

 

besie, believer, and you are my best picks for town. sooh is close but i'm not really feeling her. tiink i believe is townish enough.

Dice is a pretty easy town read so far imo, then again I know him. See him puffing up and seeking out challenges? Thats town dice.

 

 

 

 

my word! you are SOOO complimentary darthe!!   lol

 

 

 

 

ok  for realz   i may miss DL because its 6am my time but Daylight savings start here at 2 am so i may be a bit off.  Will try to be here tho

[Sooh]

Catching up from where I left off last night.

 

p 46-48. To those of you who say that Z and I are bussing wolves, just stop. We're not bussing. At least one of us is town, and while I have iffy feelings about the other this is never bussing. 

 

Monstr-Besie is interesting. I feel like both ends of that conversation held up pretty well under scrutiny. Actually feeling kinda dizzy after that. Not sure I like Darthe poking in and trying to tilt the conversation against Besie. It seemed like an attempt to antagonize imo with his "Let's see how she can get out of this one". It's parphrased, but that was the general idea of the comment. I think both Monstr and Besie came out of it looking better.

 

 

These reads are in no particular order:

 

 

Will not lynch: Monstr, Nego, Besie, Calder, Believer.

 

Unsure: Tiinker, Kat/Pral, Dice, (Hellian), Darthe

 

WTL: Zander, Nolder.

 

I feel like Monstr has had pretty solid solving posts throughout the game so far. He's attacking where he sees fit and investigating, and if he gets satisfactory responses he's not pursuing it anymore and rather clearing people over it. I've seen Pizza do the same as town in the past so I get this kind of behavior.

 

Nego has this air of the wise man coming into the thread with his wisdom. I don't get why people have him as suspicious. 

 

Besie started out oddly to me, but she has come a long way since then. Her latest back and forth with Monstr looked really good to me. I think if she was scum this game she would have been a lot more defensive in her posts and tone. Here she quite calmly explained her view, even with the pokes from Darthe in the mix.

 

Calder and I have just been seeing a lot of the same things and mindmelding. Also if what Darthe said about him being relaxed being a good look, then I definitely feel like he is this game. 

 

Believer is up in my will not lynch mainly based on a gut feeling. 

 

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

Kat/Pral will be interesting to observe when Kat comes into the game. Classic Pral so far, but he has always been one of those I have difficulty placing.

 

Dice is more of the same. I don't trust my ability to read him D1, so that's why he's here on my list.

 

Hellian is off the plate until replaced.

 

Darthe was initially a high read for me, but I didn't like his actions in the recent Besie/Monstr spat.

 

WTL: 

Zander. I feel like I've explained my thoughts on Zander many enough times this game. His most recent reads list does look pretty well thought out, though consensus-y.

 

Nolder: His catchup was underwhelming and he has zero real time interactions. 

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

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Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

[Calder]

Thank god for Darthe and Sooh. My mind is screaming that the scum team has to be:

 

Zander

Nolder

Besie

[Sooh]

Thank god for Darthe and Sooh. My mind is screaming that the scum team has to be:

 

Zander

Nolder

Besie

Talk to me about Besie, since that's where we have the most conflicting view atm.

[Calder]

 

Thank god for Darthe and Sooh. My mind is screaming that the scum team has to be:

 

Zander

Nolder

Besie

Talk to me about Besie, since that's where we have the most conflicting view atm.

My issue with Besie is that while I and others were discussing Zander and Nolder at times, she didnt have a huge issue with the cases on them. Yet she kept ISOing others oddly and it gave me the vibe of trying to find a 3rd lynch candidate that wasnt on her team.

 

It is why I commented that I believe she is the most active scum member of the team.

 

She is also the reason a Zander lynch is preferable to Nolder, since Besie's play puts her as most likely to be Zander's scum partner. A nolder lynch doesnt do the same.

[Sooh]

I don't remember Besie mentioning Nolder at all. Has she?

[Believer]

I'm incapacitated from heavy commitment last night.

 

Most likely wont be in commision before deadline, unless this headache subsides.

 

Don't lynch Zander.

[Tiinker]

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

This is true and I'll admit it but it's only because I've been really between things at the moment. I won't screw around and I'm dedicated to hunting with you guys. 

[Tiinker]

I'm going to agree that the past 5-10 pages have been very wonky and I think Zander is the right target. I don't think he looks good at all here and he's even posting in a different format. The things he says here actually have some obvious general progression while he has absolutely no issue saying whatever sporadic thought he has in the town games I've played with him. Going another way seems like a clusterbomb for trying to establish reads on people after 50 pages.

 

 

 

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him.  Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

 

 

Funnily enough, I don't think a town zander feels the need to clarify his thoughts here.

[Nynaeve]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Zander (4): Calder, Darthe, Sooh, Tinker

Calder (2): Besie, Zander

dice (1): Nego

Believer (1): dice

Nolder (1): Believer

 

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (4): The rest of you wankers.

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline:

[Nynaeve]

VC plz

 

only cause you said please <3

[Nynaeve]

If there are any mistakes in the VC, please let me know.

[Zander?]

 

 

You never lynch Zander here.

 

 

NEVER

 

are you just trying to pocket me?!?!!?!?!??

 

Can you explain why you feel this way atp?

 

 

I thought you had me as town? No?

 

I feel you're town and I'm trying to prevent a mislynch here.

 

 

 

 

If I wanted to pocket you, I could just PM you with my nipples, it wouldn't even have to be public.

 

 

I do

 

Fair enough

 

This is true.

 

 

 

@ zander

 

 

tormentings a bonus

 

So you dont think the same thing you said about Besie applies to me?

 

If you dont Id like you to explain why please?

 

Especially considering the following.

 

What do you think of me being the only real train?

 

 

 

no it doesnt apply to you

 

first off you arnt besie  so some of those reasons dont work for you

 

second  ure the only train halfway thru the day  not at the BEGINNING of the day. that DOES make a difference

 

thirdly  i can see why people think you are scummy and voting you. i dont think besie was scummy

 

 

It was the exact general point of what i had quoted.

 

I disagree but w/e

 

Well its like 5 ish hours out and still the only real train.

 

Thoughts on this now?

 

Y'all need jesus, sheep me and win.

 

[Zander?]

 

Nego- I have no idea how to read him.  hes been fairly involved and hasnt done anything Scummy thus far but I dont have any confidence giving him a lean either way.

The secret to reading me is reading all my posts in a creepy whispery voice in your head and figuring out if that voice makes the post you're reading sound scummy or not.

 

 

I guess it depends on whether you find my whispering sexy or not.

 

 

I always find your whispering sexy...so its at best null.

 

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[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

I cant imagine a world where anyone except Zander or Nolder gets lynched today.

I barely have anything on Nolder but his pop-ins are shady.

 

Zander is not on my wtl today.

Nolder's pop-in analysis post was the fakest looking catch up assessment of a game I have ever seen.

I think it's funny I wasn't on your radar until I spoke out against you.

 

Worried?

Another painfully scum post from you. You werent on my radar bc you hadnt been posting. Nice distraction attempt.

 

 

 

 

That's a good list z

Are u drunk? It takes him until now to produce any non defensive game content and its a reads list with 1 scum read?!?!?!

 

Even worse its the person going after him. Once again my low expectations for mafia players are not even met.

 

 

 

Wow. So many questions.

 

1. Why would you all post so much on Friday night.

 

2. Not so much a question as hahhahaha for letting Zander off the hook. Not only is his play so obv off, that list where he bullshitted together and only has me as schm, and his scum flip gets us Besie too.

 

Just wow.

 

 

Thank god for Darthe and Sooh. My mind is screaming that the scum team has to be:

 

Zander

Nolder

Besie

 

 

 

 

Thank god for Darthe and Sooh. My mind is screaming that the scum team has to be:

 

Zander

Nolder

Besie

Talk to me about Besie, since that's where we have the most conflicting view atm.

My issue with Besie is that while I and others were discussing Zander and Nolder at times, she didnt have a huge issue with the cases on them. Yet she kept ISOing others oddly and it gave me the vibe of trying to find a 3rd lynch candidate that wasnt on her team.

 

It is why I commented that I believe she is the most active scum member of the team.

 

She is also the reason a Zander lynch is preferable to Nolder, since Besie's play puts her as most likely to be Zander's scum partner. A nolder lynch doesnt do the same.

 

 

So again anyone else notice:

 

Ive completely caught.

 

Provided a reads.

 

Cased Calder.

 

Asked even more question and post concerns and comment on other players and complain because Calder's been ignoring my questions.

 

Well from the above after all that.

 

Still hasnt addressed my previous questions.

 

Doesnt address any new ones either.

 

Doesnt comment or question a SINGLE read I make, just calls it BS.

 

No attempt at ALL to reevaluate me.

 

These are all prolly coming from a Towny PoV....

 

And Im still the only real train and have been the majority of the game.

 

COME ON PEOPLE!!!

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

drivebyshadeattempdenied.gif

 

Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

I was talking about how you went after Besie for saying she now likes to play as town much more than she used to, and how that is OMGSOSCUMMY. 

 

I guess the other thing was about her misremembering, but that's a separate discussion.

 

 

No you straight up said I was ignoring things.  Other then Believers read list which I commented taking with a grain of salt youve yet to show 1 EXAMPLE of me ignoring things.

 

Funny thing is tho:

 

I listened and reevaluated Besie when she explained out the Meta thing.  Something Id like to add is that you were sussing her early as well but only have an issue with me doing it?

 

Also I listened to and reevaluated Believer after his play different roles differently.

 

So what am I ignoring Sooh?

 

At least I unlike others have been working on progessing and reevaluating my reads.

 

This is all stuff that Scum!Zander normally does Sooh??

 

Seriously if youre Town give your head a shake please and reread me.

[Zander?]

I'm incapacitated from heavy commitment last night.

 

Most likely wont be in commision before deadline, unless this headache subsides.

 

Don't lynch Zander.

 

Need more Believer ITT!!!!!

 

This is legit.

 

Dont mislynch Zander its -EV for Town.

[Zander?]

 

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

This is true and I'll admit it but it's only because I've been really between things at the moment. I won't screw around and I'm dedicated to hunting with you guys. 

 

 

 

I'm going to agree that the past 5-10 pages have been very wonky and I think Zander is the right target. I don't think he looks good at all here and he's even posting in a different format. The things he says here actually have some obvious general progression while he has absolutely no issue saying whatever sporadic thought he has in the town games I've played with him. Going another way seems like a clusterbomb for trying to establish reads on people after 50 pages.

 

 

 

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him.  Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

 

 

Funnily enough, I don't think a town zander feels the need to clarify his thoughts here.

 

Funnily enough you ignored my question asking you to explain your vote on me.

 

Wanna do that now please?

[Zander?]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Zander (4): Calder, Darthe, Sooh, Tinker

Calder (2): Besie, Zander

dice (1): Nego

Believer (1): dice

Nolder (1): Believer

 

Not voting cause all the rum is gone (4): The rest of you wankers.

 

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline:

 

 

Still the lead wagon and have been for awhile.

 

Notably all the votes came when I was not around.

 

No other real wagon.

 

Now big difference if my train builds up late or something.

 

But you think if Im Scum!Zander and get heat that early that someone on this theoretical team wouldnt try to build another???

[Darthe]

You say a lot but really don't ever get anywhere with it

[Zander?]

Where is Zander?

 

First time he mentions me.

 

 

 

 

 

Explain how you go from squinting to slight town please

 

Going by feeling, compared to the usual.

 

Actually, you have a good point. I'll see further progression first...

What is your opinion of my alignment?

 

 

Currently slight town. I think you're genuinely trying to solve the game.

Darthe did have a point about you seeming to be "faking" (his word) on p5 though so I'm still deciding. 

 

 

I dunno but I think the odds of Besie legitimately feeling she has any sort of read on anyone let alone someone shes never even played with before is pretty suss imo.

 

 

 

Besie saying she has a slight town read from manbat there is prob her best post to me. That is how townies typically get comfort. Seeing other players try to solve makes them feel better.

 

Your criticism there worries me. You trying to push a false wagon?

 

So first real game related post he makes towards me.

 

Notice he doesnt change on me at all, all game but now thinks me and Besie are w/w.

 

Soooooo......you are scum right Zander?

 

#puttingintheworkonprogressinghisread

 

 

 

@Monstr @Tiink @Calder @Nolder

 

 

Hi. Who's scum and why?

Scum:

 

Zander - Not too much scum experience with him. But, one game stands out as it was a scum sweep. I didnt really suspect him until the end when his final vote explanation felt like his "early feeling" posts were backed into. Like if you submitted a paper and then had to fudge outline notes and a rough draft to hand into the professor that you never originally did. I have that same feeling now. That his feelings are arbitrary and not hunting. Just willing to back into something that will get a lynch through.

 

Calder - Unhelpful. Not particularly insightful. Inflated sense of self. Always scum.

 

 

Ive commented on this but Ill try it yet again.

 

Please show me with quotes what posts of mine lead you to this conclusion.

 

Also see the bold yes hes been 100% 20 some pages in and hasnt readjusted at all.

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Then his vote on me.

[Zander?]

Thread is dead. Throw Zander off the plank.

 

 

You guys can hunt for anyone you want (as long as its Zander).

 

 

"Welcome to the Zander zone."

- Vin Diesel

 

Subsequent follow posts from Calder "progression" on me.

 

 

Don't hate the reads. Although I think you are all misreading Sooh.

 

Scum-Team:

 

Zander - the Wild Card. Does the odd jobs for the crew.

 

Sooh - Their intimidating boss. Some say she has agressive sexual fetishes that frighten the rest of the crew. But, they are criminals. Who are they to judge.

 

Now Sooh is Scum for raisins????

 

And Im going through and see if he does it to anyone else but he does this with both Sooh and later Besie.

 

Hes predicating his Wolves reads based off of the 100% certainty Im Scum.

 

The Besie and Sooh reads will be easy ones to walk away from when I flip Town if one or both or neither of them are actually Town.

 

And ofc all this certainty seems to fit in perfectly with his "I have little/very limited exp with Scum!Zander" comment....hes THIS certain based off of 1 game of Scum Meta?!?!?!?!

 

Also the only logically explanation for any difference in my play for Calder is that Im Scum thats it no other possibility even considered..

[Darthe]

Like I read the thread, dude I don't need you to quote half the thing again. It's pretty obvious calder has a tunnel on you, and it's pretty clear why, but hpw is pointing out tht youre being tunnelled without addressing the critiques of your earlier play of any benefit?

 

You cant dismiss earlier lack of effort, nonfluidity, or heavily reactive play as "thats just me" and expect to get a pass here. Your views also dont line up with mine, so ive not got reason to readjust even though you're informing my opinion.

 

Its just overall at odds with what I expect of town aligned people.

[Darthe]

Also the only logically explanation for any difference in my play for Calder is that Im Scum thats it no other possibility even considered..

This for instance. Not only must it be nice living in that gpasx house, but what possibility is he supposed to consider? Everyone's job, including.even the wolves, is to weigh players based on alignment. Just ugh