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Okay the following posts are what make me believe that Ironeyes could possibly be a Godfather. I mean if town can rand an IC, why not the mafia a godfather.  I bolded the relevant parts, or so I believe to be.  That being said.  I think they are the ONLY two randed roles.  I believe that the rest of the PR's are gotten during the events. I also believe that there could be more than one prize given per Event depending on how the Event was played. My reasoning for this is because of how the games were played.  N1 there could be only 1 winner - the person who picked the closest number to zero AND NOBODY else chose it either.  So Tal got his 1 cop view, and mafia had their usual NK of alanna.  Then there is N2.  You have to choose between 3 pictures: a bridge, the beach, a tower.  Now there are only 3 choices and 10 people. So you know there's gonna be doubles, no matter what. I also think [and now this is purely conjecture on my part] that the earlier you put your answer in the more powerful the role you get, imo. However, here is why I think that: Last night I won a 1 X vig shot and I shot nyn...yes it was me...I was totally sure she was deep wolf but everyone had her as town that I knew I couldn't lynch her so I figured I would go for the shot. I was wrong.   :dry: anyway I put my vote in right after she posted the event. The next could've been a DOC PR cause...what about the mafia kill...They would have targeted Ironeyes as confirmed townie but he didn't die last night.  Why not?? Cause he is Godfather  OR he's town protected by a DOC last night. But I think the former for now.  Unless someone wants to claim??

 

 I've been saying that I think clovr is mafia for most of the game.  So, him and Ironeyes....eh..who's the last one or two??  I know, I know... you all say there's only 3...Okay....So lets switch things a little bit...we don't necessarily have to lynch Ironeyes first, even if he is the Godfather.  I am thinking the last one is either hallia or tress...I am thinking more tress though...however someone is already voting for clovr and hallia.  what a decision to make.......[v] clovr [/v]    

 

 

 

*rips up old reads list and mafia lists...starting from scratch* 

 

so....these are the players we have left:

 

1. The fearless WiFi - TOWN PRINCESS

2. Niniel the dauntless the terrifying Turin

3. Hallia the valiant

4. The intrepid Ironeyes

5. Clovr the legionless

6. The heroic Pral

7. Leyrann the legendary the incredible Kat

8. Talmanes the brave

9. Tress the resolute

10. Sooh the bold (giggles madly as the knife twists in your gut)

11. Nyn the b*tch (brilliant, tenacious, cunning hunter in case you were wondering)

12. Daredevil Dice

13. The annoying Alanna (ANtagonistic, NOisY INGénue)

 

I am giving clovr the benefit of the doubt for now so slightly townie for now. [unvote]  I am however using some of his posts [in the spoiler below] to point to the following mafia team: dice and Ironeyes and a mystery player???.  Let's start with ironeyes.  I just can't get over the fact that he could be godfather.  I don't think that would give the mafia OP because town doesn't have a cop anyway, we have to win it.  There is a good possibility town would NEVER win a cop view making the godfather a moot point.  He hasn't even showed up today and will not tomorrow and he has to work on Monday...do we get another DL plea?? I think not. 

 

Dang, Wifi, you really don't trust me. In light of that, I really want to know:1 why did you shoot Nyn instead of me? The way I see it, we were both essentially accepted as town but with some reservations, therefore not likely to be lynched. And you though we were both scum2. Why, then, did you choose Nyn? She's played a heck of a lot more towny than I have this game, and she is a better player overall--meaning that the risk/reward ratio is lower for her. What I mean by that is: Nyn dies and I survive (assuming we're both townies), you lose a good player and keep a poor one. I die and Nyn survive (if we're both townies), you lose a poor player and keep a good one. But if we're both scum, then either way you get rid of a scum that wasn't going to get lynched. So the reward was essentially the same either way, but the risk of shooting Nyn was greater. So please explain why you chose that risk rather than the lower risk of shooting me. And in that same vein3, why didn't you shoot Clov if you suspect him? Several of us already have posted suspicions that Clov could be a deep wolf, so you could have gained acceptance for that action even if you were wrong and he's town. 

 

By the way, I think it's perfectly possible that there was no doc last night and the scum also shot Nyn. They could have seen it the same way I explained with my risk/reward thing just now. Shoot either one of us, and the town loses a practically confirmed townie. But Nyn was the better player and therefore more likely to ferret them out. 

 

Caveat to all this: there's a decent possibility that you are scum and claiming that your kill was a vig kill rather than a scum one to distract and confuse us. Turin's point that you could be getting advice from a crafty teammate is a good one, and this suspicion ties into that. 

 

One more question that's less related than the others:4 Was the 1x vig shot only allowed last night, or could you have saved it? If you had the option of saving it, 5why didn't you wait until Day and ask peoples' opinions on who to vig? It would be easy enough to ask for a cop/doc/vig list from everyone like we did during D2. 

 

Final comment. Please don't go off on me about "he hasn't even shown up today and won't tomorrow." I know I was barely here the first weekend but my circumstances have changed, and I posted this morning several times. Now it is 10 at night in this time zone, so I'm trying to put in my piece before Sunday starts. I'll be on early Monday to see what happens tomorrow. 

 

 

 

 

Ok one more thing for you Wifi. You asked why Dice quoted the sample role pm rather than quoting his own, and claimed that he's scum because he apparently doesn't have the same pm as the rest of us. I think he quoted the sample because it says in the rules of the game that you can't quote your own role pm. 

 

You may not directly quote or screenshot your role PM, you may character claim, you may role claim

 

 

@DICE TOO: I HONESTLY did NOT see the SAMPLE PM at the bottom of the page....I AM SORRY :sad:

 

 

1+2:

 

 

 

 

 

Okay the following posts are what make me believe that Ironeyes could possibly be a Godfather. I mean if town can rand an IC, why not the mafia a godfather. I bolded the relevant parts, or so I believe to be. That being said. I think they are the ONLY two randed roles. I believe that the rest of the PR's are gotten during the events. I also believe that there could be more than one prize given per Event depending on how the Event was played. My reasoning for this is because of how the games were played. N1 there could be only 1 winner - the person who picked the closest number to zero AND NOBODY else chose it either. So Tal got his 1 cop view, and mafia had their usual NK of alanna. Then there is N2. You have to choose between 3 pictures: a bridge, the beach, a tower. Now there are only 3 choices and 10 people. So you know there's gonna be doubles, no matter what. I also think [and now this is purely conjecture on my part] that the earlier you put your answer in the more powerful the role you get, imo. However, here is why I think that: Last night I won a 1 X vig shot and I shot nyn...yes it was me...I was totally sure she was deep wolf but everyone had her as town that I knew I couldn't lynch her so I figured I would go for the shot. I was wrong.  :dry: anyway I put my vote in right after she posted the event. The next could've been a DOC PR cause...what about the mafia kill...They would have targeted Ironeyes as confirmed townie but he didn't die last night. Why not?? Cause he is Godfather OR he's town protected by a DOC last night. But I think the former for now. Unless someone wants to claim??

 

I've been saying that I think clovr is mafia for most of the game. So, him and Ironeyes....eh..who's the last one or two?? I know, I know... you all say there's only 3...Okay....So lets switch things a little bit...we don't necessarily have to lynch Ironeyes first, even if he is the Godfather. I am thinking the last one is either hallia or tress...I am thinking more tress though...however someone is already voting for clovr and hallia. what a decision to make.......[v] clovr [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tmi my butt. use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y. One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the??

 

 

 

tmi my butt. use ure head.

 

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y. One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so

to find cop?? or doc?? that wouldn't be useful to the??

explain to me how a cop view finds a cop when u get a town not town type response? or how a role cop does the same when we dont have roles?

do we know that's the response you get though? and how do we know there aren't roled people? Alanna had a "role" she was basically an innocent child. How do you know there isn't a doc?

What exactly in your pm makes you think that? cause mine doesn't say anything about there are no people that are roled.... and everyone, regardless of alignment knows what the PM says. We've been over that once or twice. Trust me if I were scum i'd have that thing memorized. Went and looked at mine, says nothing about "all adventurers are non roled" it only says that I currently have no abilities but my vote. Doesn't say others can't.

Freak I thought I could make the deadline but u have to go right now. [v]Tal[/v]

Why are we discussing whether adventures can be rolled? Was there some pregame event Alanna won?

 

No, she randed IC.

 

 

 

 

I disagree to an extent about this. Maybe it is semantic. Judge for yourselves. Alanna "technically" wasn't randed as an ic in the pregame. She was just given an item at start of D1 that showed she was town. Now due to the requirements of THAT ROLE, only a townie could get it. It is conceivable that a member of the mafia was also given an item that would make them a GF. Obviously it couldn't be announced.

 

Ironeyes as GF would explain his behavior on D1 as it would be likely to draw a view. Not ready to go there yet Tho.

 

WiFi, would you talk me thru why you would use your shot on Nyn.

 

 

Well, nyn was the main pusher of the two mislynches...she stated some stuff [which I already quoted at EoD] which made me go  :huh: ...so I thought she could be a deep wolf...I had thought of it earlier and posted it but nobody took me seriously...if people had talked to me and explained to me why nyn couldn't be deep wolf I might not have gone after her...as it was everyone thought her townie...so I figured there was no way I could get a lynch on her and that she was fooling everybody YES I WAS WRONG...I WAS THE FOOL...I will admit it...but I have been fooled too many times by deep wolves that I had to find out...also my very first game I was a 2 X vig: The very first day...everyone had AJ as town...but me...I KNEW he was wolf...so I shot him...HE WAS WOLF...sometimes you just have to go after your own gut...and my gut said nyn was mafia...

 

 

 

3. I didn't vig clovr because I thought that I could get a lynch on him.  I did NOT think I could get a lynch on nyn.  I also did not think of all the stuff that you said in your post red. 

 

4 +5. I took the shot last night cause I thought I could bring some resolution to the game.  The last time I had a vig shot, I went with my gut and against the consensus and I was right, this time I was wrong.  I seem to be wrong more than right these days.  :sad::angry: however I keep on pushing...I just got to learn to slow down and read and reread...back in my first few games I was rereading the whole thread every day until they got too long to do that :dry: and then I stopped because when I posted people kept doing tl;dr and stuff like that.  anyway...I digress...I thought I had found a deep wolf just like in my first mafia game so I went for it...I wasn't thinking of saving it...or asking for help...just coming to some form of resolution, and I was WRONG.  

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No I was not told I had to use it last night....That's basically what I was saying...I didn't even think about not using it last night! This is my first game where night is closed....Though to be honest in my first game when I shot AJ I didn't ask where I should shoot I just shot...I am very impulsive...I also always seem to be in a rush most of the time...or I sit staring at the computer screen for like an hour, at the same thing and then like "wake up" and realize that I've been staring at the computer screen for like an hour, at the same thing. :dry: 

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Just did a Turin ISO. Actually been staring at his ISO for the last 2 hours but couldn't find anything weird except this: 

 

 

tmi my butt. use ure head.

what use is a cop view to MAFIA???? They KNOW who the mafia team is. It makes more SENSE that mafia wins they get a power from list x if town wins they get a power from list y. One of the few powers that could be on both is doc but cop??? i dont think so


Mafia know who mafia is. Not necessarily who is town. Even if they couldn't use it it means that they took it from town that night hurting us. Plus they could utilise it in just this sort of a play.

 

 

If mafia knows who mafia is, how could they NOT know who is town. PoE????  Turin can you answer this one for me please?? Read depends on answer.

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am never lynching Wildfire this game.  There might be a few players on this site that are ballsy enough to shoot consensus town as mafia and then claim the kill in the thread, because they know they can get away with it.  I don't believe for a second that she's one of them (at least, at THIS point in her mafia career).  

 

I want to say that was a really stupid choice, but at the same time...I get it.  She's right that Nyn was never getting lynched this game, so if she was absolutely convinced Nyn was mafia, Town!Wifi pretty much had to take that shot if she's trying to win.  

 

I'll probably feel like a complete idiot if I'm wrong, but I really don't think I am.

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I disagree to an extent about this. Maybe it is semantic. Judge for yourselves. Alanna "technically" wasn't randed as an ic in the pregame. She was just given an item at start of D1 that showed she was town. Now due to the requirements of THAT ROLE, only a townie could get it. It is conceivable that a member of the mafia was also given an item that would make them a GF. Obviously it couldn't be announced.

Ironeyes as GF would explain his behavior on D1 as it would be likely to draw a view. Not ready to go there yet Tho.

WiFi, would you talk me thru why you would use your shot on Nyn.

 

 

Semantics of this aside (randing the role/randomly being given an item at the start of the game to have it declared), I don't disagree with this thinking.  The bold makes sense.  Though I would guess he probably wouldn't try to be scummy even with a 'safety net', seeing as it just about got him killed.

 

 

That's just it I can't....Usually even a townie makes a blunder or two...he hasn't....too good a townie to be a townie, imo.


Well he did forget that Alanna was confirmed townie. I think that would count as a blunder.

Of course Niniel failed to notice the sample PM in the OP so lol, me. Sort of.

 

 

I didn't forget.  It was...a strategic move to...gather responses to something unorthodox so that I could read people better.

 

:unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

 

 

 

Wonderful, thank you. I've been struggling to get a read on her for some reason, which is infuriating since everyone else appears to have no problem with it


Apparently I'm an acquired taste marsh. people finally reading me town is a new experience.

Btw if town got a cop read and we start sussing a town hard then don't wait until 45 min before deadline to let us know please. *sighs*

 

+1 on the bottom, but uh...

 

Do you actually have anything to contribute today?

 

 

I don't think I've ever heard of a partial godfather. Not here nor anywhere else.

 

There is such a thing as a 1x investigation immune, but that's not called a godfather.

 

 

More role semantics, but fwiw, I'm pretty sure there have been roles with limited immunity here.  I want to say there was a game where a player was peeked town as the godfather, but was peeked a second time by Xthrax (who knew the immunity was limited because he was cheating).  

 

Obligatory lolXthrax lolYates.

 

 

 

Simonds is a tool

 

 

 

I would guess that any sort of immunity that was randed (given out at the start of the game) would be permanent.  I could see it being a 1x immunity if it was given out as the result of a contest.

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Katiora ISO:

 

 

 

#297 - first post, replacing in for Ley about 18 hours before deadline, promises reread tomorrow.

 

#368 - Posts preliminary reads lists with promise to ISO Hallia, Marsh, and possibly Sooh. A lot of "not sure" and "doesn't mean anything", except for a townish read on Nyn.  

 

#369 - Busy with work, will be back soon.

 

#406 - Wishes Hallia would post more as she doesn't feel that bad about her... states she hates to vote someone for inactivity on a weekend when she is also inactive on weekends.

 

#413 - Clarifies Hallia meant she is on the west coast

 

#447 - Assumes Niniel's "less focused" comment was about her and notes she has only known she was in the game for about 12 hours

 

#473 - Jokes about Nyn's reaction to being called "nun"

 

#475 - Says she finished her Hallia ISO, wasn't very long but she didn't see anything overtly scummy.  Says she likes her play so far today, doesn't agree with everything but likes her tone and effort and says she probably won't vote Hallia today.

 

#478 - Finds it ironic that she and Clov posted back to back with opposite takes on Hallia

 

#479 - Does her best Zander impersonation after Nyn accidentally signs her own post Nun

 

#503 - Feels like she sucks at reading Dice

 

#504 - Asks Marsh to clarify that she was supposed to be in his reads list where Sooh appears in the null section

 

#507 - Asks Marsh to specify what scum tells he was getting from her

 

#521 - States she is ISOing Niniel right now

 

#526 - Niniel ISO - doesn't understand her vote on Sooh which she took to be a joke vote... Comments on her initial reads list being just as informative as Nini's... States she is getting mixed signals from Niniel, some posts seem to be ones she would not make as mafia and some do not appear to come from a town mindset.  States she would not have as much thread presence entering the game as mafia.

 

#528 - Jokes with Nyn about depending too much on Zander

 

#551 - Agrees with Nyn that she does not feel Pral and Hallia are M/M, as well as agreeing his "give her time" followed by his vote on Hallia were sketchy

 

#553 - States Pral likes to bus teammates from what she's seen

 

#555 - Feels like she is grasping at straws

 

#624 - Feels like Pral is an easy out and it is usually a sign of a mislynch, notes she is suspicious of Marsh's sudden vehemence on lynching Pral

 

#641 - Votes Pral, states if he flips town she will have to re-evaluate everything

 

#656 - Notes if Pral flips mafia she will feel better about Nyn and Hallia, although she may tinfoil on Hallia - states there is noone she would really feel worse about.

 

#657 - States she is not fond of Niniel voting and then leaving but has seen her do it as town multiple times

 

#676 - Does not like WiFi's post about keeping her vote on Hallia (a wasted vote) rather than looking like she is sheeping.

 

#677 - Notes quote attribution in #676 broke, post she was referencing was from WiFi, not Nyn

 

#709 - Denies asking WiFi to join the Pral lynch, instead she says she is asking her to take a stand and defend her vote on Hallia if she wants to continue to vote her

 

#717 - Thanks Nyn for pointing out no night talk as she had missed that rule

 

#807 - Points out she said almost the exact same thing as Ironeyes about not fighting his lynch last time she was mafia on the chopping block

 

#810 - Quotes her post from the Harry Potter game as referenced in #807

 

#813 - Says she can't decide whether she thinks Ironeyes is mafia, does not think he and Talmanes are T/T

 

#818 - Says she thinks M/M is possible but she is more suspicious of Talmanes, thinks she saw something about his play that she didn't like yesterday and will ISO him later.  Also thinks WiFi's play is suspicious, feels good about Nyn, tinfoiling on Clov... Unsure on Hallia and the rest.

 

#822 - Responds to Clov's question that she is opposed to lynching Nyn.  Needs to re-read EOD because there are a lot of people that aren't standing out to her.  Says she feels she is bad at reading Niniel and Dice, and laments that the Alanna NK gave town no info.

 

#824 - Responds to Clov that she never knows what to think about him, would like for him to be a townie but is afraid that he isn't.

 

#919 - Apologizes for not being around due to flat tires and difficulty playing on phone, promises to look back on D1 tomorrow

 

#1007 - Would still like an answer from Ironeyes on examples of the town and scum tells he was seeing from Kat, notes he has ignored the question multiple times

 

#1008 - Does not love Hallia's post arguing that at least Ironeyes is here and posting while WiFi "has taken off"

 

#1013 - Quotes several posts from Talmanes trying to put off a lynch on Marsh D1, but promising to come back to him D2, then notes his reluctance to vote him D2 seems inconsistent, says it looks like he knows Marsh will flip town and is trying to distance from his lynch.

 

#1014 - Debates Hallia's characterizing Marsh's D2 as "involvement" although she is not sold on him being mafia... Says she does not understand WiFi but was primarily saying that her "taking off" early D2 is not a good argument against her

 

#1038 - Welcomes Turin

 

#1046 - Replies to Hallia that she quoted Talmanes' posts defending Marsh D1 in #1013

 

#1047 - Requotes #1013

 

#1076 - Replies to Hallia's Cop/Doc/Vig question that she would vig Talmanes, cop Marsh and doc Nyn

 

#1091 - Votes Talmanes, says she will be around up until deadline as work allows if needed.  Notes nobody else has stood out to her and she is not sold on Marsh

 

#1095 - Asks  Talmanes why she should think he is town, notes he has been trying to protect Marsh or he knows something we don't, and since he has been doing it since D1 she feels it is likely he is mafia.

 

#1098 - States if Talmanes is town she does not understand his D1 defense of Marsh and he cannot explain why.

 

#1103 - Asks Nyn for her opinion of Talmanes' cop view claim

 

#1107 - Notes she missed the point Turin brought up that he said he would view Marsh in his cop/doc/vig response, when he already had a view result on him

 

#1108 - Feels better that Nyn also doesn't know how to process Talmanes' claim

 

#1111 - Conflicted with regard to Talmanes' response to the Turin post she referenced in #1107 - says it is almost twtbaw

 

#1116 - Unvotes Talmanes and notes she wishes he had revealed earlier, then suggests CFD on WiFi

 

#1120 - Requests VC correction

 

#1122 - Notes Talmanes' worry about being a NK target makes no sense as a 1x cop, and states it is good for town that they can confirm one another.  States she read his case on Sooh and is not sold.

 

#1128 - Agrees with Nyn that Talmanes is not confirmed town due to his cop view, just possibly not scum

 

#1132 - "bleh Nyn" 

 

#1136 - Clarifies #1132 that she doesn't know what to do, feels if Talmanes is lynched and he was telling the truth Marsh will be killed, but if they let Tal live they could both be scum clearing each other

 

#1150 - Explains in response to Sooh's doubt that they could be scum clearing each other that her problem is that Talmanes started defending Marsh on D1

 

#1154 - Clarifies her #1150 to Sooh, votes Talmanes noting that at least they will have an idea on Marsh afterward

 

#1162 - Responds to Hallia stating that in a case like this she would vote for the claimed viewer instead of the viewee every time as mafia knows who the town is

 

#1187 - Expresses doubt as to how to proceed if Talmanes is town

 

#1188 - Replies to Dice that a cop view may be useful to mafia in order to find other PRs (seems to think it would act as a role cop)

 

#1196 - Questions how Dice knows what response a cop view would get, and how he knows there aren't roled players since Alanna was Innocent Child. 

 

#1202 - Responds to Sooh's "read twice" comment regarding misunderstandings that there isn't a lot of time left to read everything twice

 

#1205 - Agrees with Nyn that Talmanes and Marsh have been scummy and need to be resolved, notes that if Talmanes had come out with his view earlier there would have been time to find an alternate path but now there isn't.

 

#1206 - Questions Sooh's FOS on her for the end of day (unsure if this is questioning the term FOS or what)

 

#1212 - Questions what in Dice's PM makes him think there are no roles, says her own PM doesn't say anything to lead her to believe that nobody has a role, just that she currently has no abilities other than her vote.

 

#1214 - Requests the mod verify that scum can get the same abilities that town gets

 

#1218 - Tells Dice he is being dense with regard to her argument about the town role PM

 

#1221 - States Dice is grasping at straws and if Tal flips scum she plans to vote him tomorrow

 

#1223 - Emphasizes the mod's response to her question in #1214

 

#1226 - Thanks Clov for seeing the same point that it makes no sense to assume nobody is roled when Alanna was roled IC

 

#1228 - Is conflicted on Dice, part of her is frustrated and wants to lynch him, but part of her thinks that if he really believes what he's saying he must be town.

 

#1235 - Replies to Dice's "lynching me just gets you a dead townie" with "same for me"

 

#1242 - Quotes Alanna's flip in response to request from Clov

 

#1358 - Notes in response to Marsh that having people read her as town is a new experience for her... requests if town has a cop read they should not wait until 45 minutes before deadline before revealing if we are about to lynch a townie.

 

 

 

I'm holding on to this for now without adding analysis because my brain is shutting down and my eyes are glazing over.  I'll come back to it tomorrow afternoon post-coffee and food when the brain is fresh.  Tomorrow also will be for ISOing Hallia, WiFi and Clov.

 

Looking through this, Kat's D1 was... meh - but then a lot of us are not good D1 players. She didn't have much in the way of solid opinions through most of the phase.  #526 kind of pinged me a bit, with the self-clearing by meta (If I was mafia I wouldn't have so much thread presence) - that always worries me a bit when people try to use their own meta in that way.

 

She did a lot of following Nyn D1 and D2, some arguing with Dice about whether there was any chance there were actual town roles in the game, and since this day phase has been on a weekend we don't really have any content from her to speak of yet.  Aside from her frustration with Dice at the tail end of D2, which she hedged on even as she said she kind of wanted to lynch him, I'm really not clear on what she thinks of any of the other players in the game, now that we know Marsh and Talmanes weren't scum buddies using a cop view prize to clear each other.

 

I'm going to want to see some additional content from her before deadline.

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What's your lynch / do not lynch list look like so far, Tress?

 

 

If you'd read my other posts, you'd know I am still working on ISOs so I can order the bottom part of the list.

 

Not willing to vote Sooh, Dice or Marsh today.

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What's your lynch / do not lynch list look like so far, Tress?

 

 

If you'd read my other posts, you'd know I am still working on ISOs so I can order the bottom part of the list.

 

Not willing to vote Sooh, Dice or Marsh today.

 

 

I know you're still working on ISOs.  I just don't care.

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