Danger in Demons Cove GAME OVER Villains win

[Wildfire Sedai]

@talmanes: Yeah I was just asked to check you out so I did a could be mafia or could be town post on you. I also did the other two posts to cross check it...I still have some more to do tomorrow.  I am thinking you town...obviously from my last post.   but we shall see what tomorrow brings.  I only have 1/2 hour left tonight so any questions go ahead and ask now.

[Hallia]

So if you take 4 and divide by 13 you get 0.30769230769.  and if you take 3 and divide by 10 you get 0.30.  So what I am trying to say is that I believe that there is a 4 person mafia team not a 3 person one.  That being said I believe the following to be possible mafia teams:

 

clovr - He was in Pral's FoS and I could totally believe him a deep wolf

nyn - a couple things she said...I MIGHT ISO her tomorrow....NO promises...oh wait...I got group tomorrow...*sigh* another deep wolf

niniel - haven't really liked her posts from beginning...just a weird feeling...and yes if others are allowed to have "weird feelings" then so am I 

ironeyes - It seems like most mafia teams have one player that doesn't post much and is bussed.  I feel like Ironeyes could be that one, possibly? 

 

This is the one I am thinking is most likely.  The others I am going to show are because I have questions about the players being replaced and their replacers.

 

These three are the next most likely:

 

clovr

nyn

Dice - He has been a low poster but has been pushing a little.  hmmm....

ironeyes

 

 

clovr

nyn

hallia - her catch up was ok/good...but she wasn't pushing anyone that I could tell

ironeyes

 

Clovr

dice

niniel/hallia ?? can't decide

Ironeyes

 

These are the last that I'm just switching players that have come up as possible mafia

 

clovr

nyn

tress - I feel she has dropped under the radar and should be added in just because

dice

 

sooh

dice

talmanes

tress

 

sooh

niniel

tress

dice

What changed, you said basically that my posts didn't sing to you and that you got nothing.  You now say my posts didn't push anyone - How do you think Nini feels about that.

[Wildfire Sedai]

First most likely:  (EBWOP)

 

Clovr: cause he was in Pral's FoS: and he could easily be too townie to be townie...a deep wolf.

nyn: a couple of her posts ping'd me. another deep wolf

niniel: I never could get with her posts. something just makes me feel weird about her...and yes if others can feel "weird" so can I

Ironeyes: That post about being better for town if lynched...too scummy for me...willing to listen to him if he shows up to defend himself

[Wildfire Sedai]

That's what I get when I don't reread my posts right...and then try to redo from top of head...doesn't come out right...oh well

[Clovdyx]

First most likely:  (EBWOP)

 

Clovr: cause he was in Pral's FoS: and he could easily be too townie to be townie...a deep wolf.

nyn: a couple of her posts ping'd me. another deep wolf

niniel: I never could get with her posts. something just makes me feel weird about her...and yes if others can feel "weird" so can I

Ironeyes: That post about being better for town if lynched...too scummy for me...willing to listen to him if he shows up to defend himself

 

I feel like this is just about the weirdest possible team you could have come up with.  Explain to me how you think we all fit together.  Because from my POV, this doesn't really make any sense at all.

[Clovdyx]

And why do you think there are four mafia?

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

What changed, you said basically that my posts didn't sing to you and that you got nothing.  You now say my posts didn't push anyone - How do you think Nini feels about that.

 

 

 

 

First most likely:  (EBWOP)

 

Clovr: cause he was in Pral's FoS: and he could easily be too townie to be townie...a deep wolf.

nyn: a couple of her posts ping'd me. another deep wolf

niniel: I never could get with her posts. something just makes me feel weird about her...and yes if others can feel "weird" so can I

Ironeyes: That post about being better for town if lynched...too scummy for me...willing to listen to him if he shows up to defend himself

 

I feel like this is just about the weirdest possible team you could have come up with.  Explain to me how you think we all fit together.  Because from my POV, this doesn't really make any sense at all.

 

 

 

And why do you think there are four mafia?

 

@CLOV: You are one of the ones that doesn't like to read my posts iirc.  I posted it in the post where I listed all the mafia teams: READ IT. Its the very first line.

 

 

As for the other two questions: they will have to wait till tomorrow...it's bedtime now. sorry.

[Clovdyx]

That's what I meant....dammit....I totally fudged up.....sorry....I screwed up in my first post and just kept it screwed up in my second.

 

So why didn't you say that the entire time that we were pointing out that it had nothing to do Iron?  I know I pointed it out at least a day ago, maybe more.  Pretty sure somebody else did before Sooh's post.  

 

 

Nyn - I haven´t played with MafiaNyn in a long time. At least I don´t remember it. So I don´t know how she behaves as mafia. But she is so involved and trying to force people to play that I can only think she is town.

Sooh - feeling better about her after the early day 1 stuff. She is active.

 

Kat - I feel better about her too. It´s not the same town feeling as the first two but I feel good about her. I can´t point to anything specific right now but maybe I can tomorrow. 

 

Tress - I have an okay feeling about her but would like more from her. 

Dice - The same as Tress.

 

Clov - Have to reread. I didn´t understand his and Nyn´s vote analysis at all. 

Ironeyes - Have to reread since he is a focus of a lot of talk. 

Talmanes - Have to reread as well. I liked him yesterday but no clue right now. 

 

Hallia - I still don´t like her vote on me yesterday but others are reading her town right now. I don´t think she and Wifi are mafia together though and I suspect Wifi more right now so I don´t know what to do here.

 

Wifi - my only real mafia read right now. The way she voted Hallia yesterday was weird. She is not acting like I remember from other games. She seems to listen where the focus is at the moment and then following along while trying to find proof for it afterwards in the text. She did it with me and didn´t get it right. 

 

 

[v] Wifi [/v]

 

 

 

I really need to iso the boys tomorrow and I hope I get the time. 

 

Can you go in depth about any of this?  I'm not overly suspicious of Kat, but I don't see why she's that high on your list.  She would be in a similar tier as you have Tress and Dice for me - nothing really stands out as bad, her content looks okay, but there's just not a whole lot there.

 

What questions do you have about my/our vote analysis?  I feel it was pretty straight forward.

 

 

 

 

 

Who says im not trying to work you out? What you think im just sitting here saying "oh clov! i'll leave him to someone else" ??

 

You feel off. Im not liking your tone, it feels    slimy.

 

Your posts about Tina have ended up striking me as you may be setting things up to look good if she had been lynched. 

 

I totally think your capable of throwing a teammate under the bus if you think he is going to be under pressure. The "ive only done this once" argument means nothing and you know it. 

 

As for really pushing, im looking and thinking.

 

As for why not ironeyes?  cause there is a chance he is town and having the person i dont trust vote him straight out the gate makes me balk.

I am NOT going to rule out a ironeyes ninel clov team. i think its possible.

 

 

right now my thinking is that we should lynch you but i also realise that ure a hard read and i may be wrong. nHence im watching and thinking. I will vote where and when im ready to.

 

I'm going on my impression from the thread.  You can say I sound slimy, but what are you doing with it?  What are you doing to prove it?

 

You say posts about Tina could have been to setting things up if she had been lynched.  Earlier you said I could be teammates with her.  Both of those are true - they could be.  But the fact of the matter is I'm trying to figure out what she's doing and trying to figure out the implications of actions.

 

Bold - It doesn't mean nothing.  It means that anybody familiar with me shouldn't be defaulting to that situation.  Can I bus the hell out of a teammate?  Sure.  But if you're actually trying to figure me out, it sure as hell shouldn't be the first thing you default to.

 

 

So no, I don't think you're genuinely trying to figure me out.  I don't feel you're genuinely making an effort with me.  The Tina thing aside, you're not showing what concerns about me you have.  You're not attempting to get clarification on things.  You're not asking me for opinions.  And yet you're not actively trying to get my lynched.  Even in this post, you're saying you feel you should lynch me and still sitting back and saying "Oh, he's a hard read and I need time."

 

 

As i said ure a hard read. So im watching your interactions. Watching what you comment on how you comment on it. Making up my mind. When I have questions for you I will ask you.

 

 

RED  It DOES mean nothing. I can say "I never do that as a wolf" and it can be true....until i then go do it BECAUSE I would never do it.. My default position on you? Its to not make ANY assumptions about what you would or would not do.

 

My concerns?  Im concerned your playing puppetmaster. You comments dont feel like theres any real weight to them. Like you arnt fully committed to them. In fact the only posts that you seem REALLY committed to is the stuff youve been directing about me, probably cause ive annoyed you i guess.

 

 

Okay.  You sitting back and watching gives ME the impression you're not attempting to resolve, because I can only go by WHAT I CAN SEE.  You could be sitting there reading every single post in the game four or five times to develop thoughts, but until you actually put something in the thread, I have to go with the impression I get.  That's your not doing much.

 

How about other players?  If I'm scum, who are my most likely teammates?  Who is never my teammate?  Who else is probably mafia on their own?

[Ironeyes]

Ironeyes: That post about being better for town if lynched...too scummy for me...willing to listen to him if he shows up to defend himself

I have no defense except that that post was my honest opinion at the time. Now that I've had a full nights sleep I am not as grumpy as I was when I wrote that, but I still think I qualify for the town LVP award (least valuable player).

 

However, some good ideas are being thrown around here and if somehow you all decide to lynch somebody else I won't complain.

 

Side note: I wasn't able to finish my analysis of Pral's train today because life happened but I think I can get it up early tomorrow morning.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

What changed, you said basically that my posts didn't sing to you and that you got nothing.  You now say my posts didn't push anyone - How do you think Nini feels about that.

 

 

 

 

First most likely:  (EBWOP)

 

Clovr: cause he was in Pral's FoS: and he could easily be too townie to be townie...a deep wolf.

nyn: a couple of her posts ping'd me. another deep wolf

niniel: I never could get with her posts. something just makes me feel weird about her...and yes if others can feel "weird" so can I

Ironeyes: That post about being better for town if lynched...too scummy for me...willing to listen to him if he shows up to defend himself

 

I feel like this is just about the weirdest possible team you could have come up with.  Explain to me how you think we all fit together.  Because from my POV, this doesn't really make any sense at all.

 

 

 

And why do you think there are four mafia?

 

@CLOV: You are one of the ones that doesn't like to read my posts iirc.  I posted it in the post where I listed all the mafia teams: READ IT. Its the very first line.

 

 

As for the other two questions: they will have to wait till tomorrow...it's bedtime now. sorry.

 

 

You don't remember correctly.  

 

And no, you didn't post it where you listed all the mafia teams.  None of that explains why you think that.  You said this:

 

 

So if you take 4 and divide by 13 you get 0.30769230769.  and if you take 3 and divide by 10 you get 0.30.  So what I am trying to say is that I believe that there is a 4 person mafia team not a 3 person one.  That being said I believe the following to be possible mafia teams:

 

 

Is 30.769% the magic number for mafia?  Where did 3 and 10 come from?

[Clovdyx]

 

So I finally found that sample PM, that changes things a bit.

 

I still am leaning Townie and Niniel as her thoughts of "well Nyn posted about a pencil and pad and that was in my PM as a Townie so she's probably Town" (paraphrase) mirrored my exact thoughts so seem genuine.

 

@Sooh - I'm not really sure on you. You have been posting reads which I like but I'm wary of you. More of a gut feeling than anything else.

 

could that be a hint to them communicating in a mafia qt? or just a weird choice of words!

 

I really feel like Ironeyes hasn't been around enough or done enough to merit a vote for that matter either. I feel like he is being voted simply for not being around (seems to be the only real reason anyone is looking at me too) and I don't think that is really a viable route.

 

I can agree with this to an extent.  I know we have to keep time zones into account when figuring out activity levels, also whether people have jobs and family, etc. However, why join a game if your not going to play and YES THIS GOES FOR ME TOO.  I felt really bad not being able to concentrate totally on BOTH games.  However, as I stated before I didn't think people would read my "work" so I really didn't bother too much like I did in my first few games. 

 

@Clov - I don't have votes but wasn't exactly regarded highly on the Town list either. Your reasoning makes sense though.

 

@Alanna - I know you just kind of voted me, I wants referring only to you. Just noticed I was high on some lists and wondered at the reasoning. Wouldn't call that defensive, more curious. I don't mind people suspecting me, I just like to know why.

 

@Ironeyes - Your post seems to just beat some dead horses. Really not seeing much being added.

 

could be distancing himself from Ironeyes? or just an honest read!

 

I went back and reread the Pral part you quoted Nyn and agree that seems pretty off to me as well. He made a big stink but then just jumped on. Seemed odd. I wouldn't mind a Pral lynch and would be willing to consolidate depending on what it looks like closer to deadline.

 

I still don't really see why Hally is a target and still feel WiFi is a good place to start D1.

 

Ironeyes did finally show up and didn't offer a whole lot. Considering he was not the only one (myself included) gone for the weekend I'd rather hear a bit more before voting that way. If I'm seeing the same sort of reads on D2 that'll be a different story

 

back to Ironeyes...admits he didn't offer alot but willing to wait another day.  Not willing to bus a partner? or having a conscience and not willing to vote someone over attendance!

 

@Nyn - That's a good point. He could feel that Pral is a safer vote, or he could just actually be suspicious. That's why I'm not rushing to lynch him at this point. He's been around so little I feel like it would be a rush to judgement.

 

again distancing? or compassion!  However if its compassion, what about compassion for pral.  He was on less than Ironeyes.

 

 

I'm disappointed that Pral didn't turn out to be scum but I think the reasons to vote him were solid especially for D1.

 

@Nini - Your point against Pral made me reread and agree. Him staying away when the heat kicked in didn't help. I still am not feeling good about WiFi and would have preferred to vote there but felt there was enough reason to vote Pral as well.

 

I'm really not sold on Ironeyes. I've been on the fence with him because he has seemed to just be floating along not offering anything new. I don't think he's the best place to vote right now and would rather see what he contributes in D2. He did openly admit he hadn't had much time and so knew he wasn't contributing much. I'm willing to give him some time.

 

WiFi is still my top target right now. She's been wishy washy and has still yet to explain any of her reads. She had conviction in the game I played with her and I'm not seeing that here. I feel like she is trying to stay off the radar this game. Plus she said she isn't in her other game anymore so there goes that excuse.

 

I'd like to hear what everyone else has to say before voting, but WiFi has stayed steadily on my radar.

 

connecting with niniel and ironeyes? could be partners?

 

So I somehow missed an entire page and double posted...

 

@Nyn - I did like Pral's initial reads. It was something different. I happened to think you made a very good point though and after rereading thought Pral looked bad. I was at work all day which is why I was posting sporadically and more so on my lunch and breaks. I still would have gone WiFi over Pral, but 2 hours to deadline and a tie vote seemed plenty good reason to break the tie.

 

On Dice it pinged me that as close to deadline as we were he posted he was checking out (I didn't realize going to worn meant he would continue to post) which seemed suspicious.

 

At risk of sounding like I'm defending Ironeyes (which I guess I am) I really didn't and still don't think voting someone for inactivity was or is the best call. His performance thus far has been lackluster but he also hadn't been around much. When there is something to go on (WiFi and then later Pral) I would much rather go that route any day.

 

On the point about Clov I think Pral's point was valid even though I ended up voting him. A lot of scum will still work at solving to look innocent. Plus I don't know Clov but there have been a lot of comments to make me weary of him.

 

here he is defending Ironeyes, again? Pral didn't post that much either.  Pushing clovr? a teammate? maybe? maybe not?

 

@Clov - I said that if he kept up just following along and seeming to not really offer anything original that would be something I wouldn't tolerate starting on D2. It's D2 now so we'll see. He isn't off my radar by any means, but he's not my first pick to lynch either.

 

It's been D2 for a while now and he hasn't posted yet....unless he has in the last couple of hours that I've been doing this?

 

@Ironeyes - Now would be your one and only chance to convince everyone not to lynch you. I seem to be one of the few that are even hesitant.

 

Okay: Ironeyes are you here???

 

 

Before you said that you felt Ironeyes would be town if not for that "give up" post.  Here you quoted several things that and possibly link him to Talmanes.  Do you no longer feel that he's probably town, or what?  

 

On that note, what is your stance on Talmanes?  Basically everything you quoted here you go both ways on, like you're afraid to say what it is you think - or even if you actually THINK anything. 

 

The one 'point' you bring up that actually seems like a legitimate attempt at a read is trying to figure out how motivation for giving Iron the benefit of the doubt while not giving the same to Pral.  I think Tal has already addressed why he voted Pral, but I think that's at least a plus for you.

[Clovdyx]

On a completely unrelated note, the next person to post about how/why they're unable to post is probably going to cause me to burst a blood vessel.  Either you have time for the game or you don't, but if you can take five minutes to post about not being able to post, you can also use that time to at least throw out a town read or two or a person you're suspicious of.

[Ironeyes]

On a completely unrelated note, the next person to post about how/why they're unable to post is probably going to cause me to burst a blood vessel. Either you have time for the game or you don't, but if you can take five minutes to post about not being able to post, you can also use that time to at least throw out a town read or two or a person you're suspicious of.

You chewed me out for giving weak reads, so I want to put together a good one before I post it.

[Ironeyes]

On a completely unrelated note, the next person to post about how/why they're unable to post is probably going to cause me to burst a blood vessel. Either you have time for the game or you don't, but if you can take five minutes to post about not being able to post, you can also use that time to at least throw out a town read or two or a person you're suspicious of.

You chewed me out for giving weak reads, so I want to put together a good one before I post it.

[Ironeyes]

Dang it DM, y u no work for me?

[Clovdyx]

 

On a completely unrelated note, the next person to post about how/why they're unable to post is probably going to cause me to burst a blood vessel. Either you have time for the game or you don't, but if you can take five minutes to post about not being able to post, you can also use that time to at least throw out a town read or two or a person you're suspicious of.

You chewed me out for giving weak reads, so I want to put together a good one before I post it.

 

 

Please do!  I want people to post their thoughts.

 

I don't want people showing up to say, "Hey guys, just so you all know I'm not caught up and I'm really busy so I can't really stick around and contribute, but I'll try to do something tomorrow!".  If they're town, they're making themselves look worse than if they just saved the two minutes and didn't post at all.  If they're mafia, they're both playing poorly AND making it pretty cheap.

 

If I lose a game because I get outplayed, cool.  Congratulations - the other team probably earned it (or I had one of my C-LOL-vdyx games).  If I lose because half the game decided to refrain from actually playing, I'm not going to be pleasant afterwards.

[Hallia]

She's dancing around my questions still.  Frustrating.  I can't fight or refute what isn't there.

[Ironeyes]

 

 

On a completely unrelated note, the next person to post about how/why they're unable to post is probably going to cause me to burst a blood vessel. Either you have time for the game or you don't, but if you can take five minutes to post about not being able to post, you can also use that time to at least throw out a town read or two or a person you're suspicious of.

You chewed me out for giving weak reads, so I want to put together a good one before I post it.

Please do! I want people to post their thoughts.

I'm working on it in another tab, and will post it when it's ready.

[Ironeyes]

It is ready! WoT incoming.

[Ironeyes]

So starting on p. 27, Nyn mentions that Pral voted Hallia after saying there should be competing trains. Doesn't vote him.

Lynch in Tal/Pral and see what we find?

Sheeps the analysis and expresses willingness to lynch Pral based on that point.

 

Wifi then proposes a possible Tal/Pral/Hallia team, to which Nyn responds that she doesn't know but doesn't want Hallia lynched.

 

Alanna chimes in...

If I had to lynch between Talmanes and Pralaya, I would go Pral.

Those three discuss amongst themselves for a while but nobody votes. Then Kat chimes in and agrees with Nyn.

Yeah I wouldn't say they're W/W... he could have been distancing from a mislynch as a wolf if people had kept voting her, but then he did go back and vote her very quickly before giving her time to get here and post. definitely sketchy nyn.

Then she says this:

 

 

It's like.... there were some similar reads, true. Pral comes in and gives his unconventional top scum read on Clov. Tries to nudge in that direction but no one really follows him on it. Maybe we were looking in the right place at the time? Then he talks big about a competing train and not focusing on Hallia, but then votes her shortly after.

Do you think Clov would ever be an easy lynch to the point that scum!Pral would push in that direction or do you think it might be genuine townie sus?

 

Also: does Pral have a habit of going after big game?

 

The Hally thing is interesting tho

from the little i've seen pral like to bus teammates

Linking Pral to Clov, possibly?

 

Then Nyn places the first vote on Pral, qualifying it by saying she will switch to me if there's no chance of lynching Pral by the deadline.

 

At this point Talmanes shows up and agrees with Nyn

I went back and reread the Pral part you quoted Nyn and agree that seems pretty off to me as well. He made a big stink but then just jumped on. Seemed odd. I wouldn't mind a Pral lynch and would be willing to consolidate depending on what it looks like closer to deadline.

 

I still don't really see why Hally is a target and still feel WiFi is a good place to start D1.

 

Ironeyes did finally show up and didn't offer a whole lot. Considering he was not the only one (myself included) gone for the weekend I'd rather hear a bit more before voting that way. If I'm seeing the same sort of reads on D2 that'll be a different story

He continues to defend me, which is odd. I'm grateful to have someone not try to kill me for a change but I am also suspicious of a Mafiosi trying to earn town cred after I flip by being the one who defended me. I.e. this could be a case of PIS.

 

Second vote on Pral was me, basically sheeping Nyn's point and slightly desperate because I was about to get lynched. This causes Alanna to vote me without further comments and Talmanes defends me again:

Ironeyes jumping on like that I really don't think helps his case. Continues his pattern of just going with the flow. Especially interesting since his reads mirrored Pral's on Clov.

 

Can't necessarily fully blame him for the quick vote though since he is one of the higher vote holders at the moment. I'm still hesitant to vote him D1 but if he isn't lynched he is going to be one of the top people I'm watching D2.

He then quickly turns the attention to Dice.

@Dice - So you don't plan on voting?

Nyn turns the conversation back to me, though, and Tal stands by his position.

 

Then some discussion about Wifi, and Hallia votes Pral as well, for the same reasons that had been discussed. Further discussion ensues that doesn't involve Pral, then Kat votes him as well.

[v]Pral[/v]

 

Seems to be our best chances. Though if he's town I'm gonna have to re-evaluate everything

This vote doesn't make sense to me, because Pral wasn't really put best lynch opportunity at the time; I was. But it could just be Kat following Nyn's lead like the rest of us. Either way, slight ping.

 

This feels like a very insecure lynch. We just need to pick one though. Even if it's a townie there's vote analysis to be done later.

 

After all, with the weak pushes we've had today it's not like anyone is going to just turn around and start lolcatting.

This post seemed slightly off when I read it, but I couldn't tell why until later. I'll come back to Sooh at the end.

 

Aaaand... Here we have the infamous argument that may have clinched this lynch.

And before anyone says otherwise, I've seen him viewing the thread numerous times since I voted him........ so....... IN YOUR FACE.

Talmanes is apparently convinced and throws in his vote.

Well I'm not going to have time to check in again before deadline so I will go ahead and be the tiebreaker.

 

I'd rather [v] Pral [/v] than Ironeyes.

Next page, Dice shows up and doesn't have much to offer, but he was running up against the deadline pretty hard and had tons of catchup to do. Sooh again expresses preference to lynch me rather than Pral.

 

UNOFFICIAL VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (4): Clov, Sooh, Tress, Alanna

 

Hallia (3): WiFi, Pral, Niniel

 

Pral (5): Nyn, Ironeyes, Hallia, Kat, Talmanes

 

Not voting (1): Dice

 

 

I kinda like the train on Ironeyes.

 

Hate the train on Hallia.

 

Have a 50/50 feel about the train on Pral.

Conversation generally turns to Wifi, who then responds to Kat's pressure by voting Pral as well:

 

 

 

 

I am not discounting the possibility that nyn could be wrong. I had hallia as null then I very tiny bit slightly townie, however nyn knows hallia better than me, so I was sheeping her for now, I was waiting for hallia to come along and change my mind, she didn't. Yes, she made some more posts but I didn't get anything out of them. Nothing sang to me. So I am keeping my vote where it is. If I am wrong, I am wrong. It is not a hammer game, so you do not need my vote to reach a majority. as for niniel and talmanes: voting me for my playstyle wtf even I don't know what my playstyle is Yes I have been a light poster this game. I apologize. and yes I have made a few mistakes but: that's me...I've made mistakes in every game I've played in. I don't keep notes or anything, its a game. I try to keep everything in my head...hasn't quite worked that well but I also don't have a lot of space I am willing to use, either. I have an art table, but that is for art and I can't sit at it to type cause I can't get close enough to type. I use a bedside table and I have papers that I need next to puter/laptop...so...

 

Just making a note that I don't like this. I didn't notice this at first but when she reposted it, I noticed. So wifi, you would rather waste your vote on some one that is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched today since it's not a hammer game just in case it looks like you're sheeping? That makes no sense. If you are town you are giving mafia the perfect chance to lynch you. If you REALLY think Hallia is scum then go after her (good luck with that btw), if you don't think pral is scum argue against his lynch but do something. Sitting still to me looks worse than sheeping any day. If he is mafia it will look like you didn't want to bus and if he's town it will look like you didn't want to mislynch. Now I will doubt you the rest of the game *shrugs*

well I DON'T want to mislynch....I AM TOWN so there is NO bussing. However, I figured if I kept jumping after nyn it would look pretty bad...Now if you are ASKING me to join the pral lynch then I have no problem with that [v] pral [/v] see how easy that was.

If I had to make up a word for this, I would call it spite-voting. Kind of odd but if I remember correctly, several people mentioned that odd posts are normal for Wifi. So I'll leave this one alone.

 

I'm feeling fairly happy with my vote where it is at the moment. I'm not opposed to the lynch either, but I doubt I'll change unless needed.

At this point Sooh still would rather lynch me than Pral. She stayed remarkably consistent through all this, which gives me mixed feelings. I think scum probably would have wanted to save me for a D2 lynch since I would be an even easier target once Pral flipped town. So on one hand Sooh's insistence on not voting Pral seems like town not wanting to go with the crowd. But she also seemed to be subtly encouraging the lynch anyway by expressing support without voting Pral herself (on that point, she was also the first to agree with Nyn's original point about Pral). So I guess that's a slight ping on Sooh but obscured by some WIFOM.

 

im hating this but nyns post saying hes been viewing pushes it over the edge

 

 

vote pral

And... Dice throws in his vote just seconds before the deadline. This particular vote has been picked over a million times since then so I won't go into it.

 

Then the day ends, Pral flips town, etcetera.

 

So one possible conclusion that came to me is that Nyn and Hallia are scum-mates and this whole thing was fabricated to save Hallia from the lynch. However, that is a ridiculous scenario and if it turns out to be true, I will build an alter to the Mafia Godess Nynaeve immediately.

 

The other (more reasonable) conclusion is that this lynch started in good faith because Nyn saw something suspicious. In that case, my scum reads from this are Talmanes, Sooh, and Kat. I'm pretty sure I explained my reasoning for each well enough in this WoT, but if you aren't sure or tl;dr 'ed then ask me.

[Ironeyes]

That's all for me, I'm going to bed.

[BFG]

DAY 2 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (1): Clov

 

WiFi (2): Hallia, Niniel

 

Talmanes (1): Sooh

 

Not voting (7): Dice, Ironeyes, Katiora, Nyn, Talmanes, Tress, WiFi

 

No change :)

[Songstress]

OK, I've officially decided I am bad at the patented Zander Catchup.  I have far too limited time, and my brain just doesn't seem to want to work that way, so I'mma go back to my usual "toss everyone in a reads list, ISO the ones who you can't figure out, pull a few quotes if necessary" because tiiiiiiiime is NOT on my siiiiiiide o/~

 

Where I'm at post D-1 is not significantly different than I was Sunday night -  Nyn is solid town, with Sooh right behind her.  Dice I'll need to look at a little more closely to confirm but my gut says probably town.  Hallia has looked better since her Monday morning catchup as well.  These four I'm gonna leave alone for now.

 

On the nullish side I have Kat (need to look at in more detail now that she's had time to be more involved), Clov (vaguely positive vibes but the longer he's alive the more I'm gonna worry), Niniel (another one I need to reread as I recall being conflicted on her D1 posts and I need to see whether she's trending overall up or down).   Talmanes was giving me some gut-level pings D1 but I can't remember why, so... more ISOs.  At least I'll have something to do tomorrow night after work, during night phase

 

Feeling overall pretty iffy on WiFi, although she's really hard to peg.  Ironeyes is still my bottom read, and the first ISO on my list (and probably the only one I'll have time for before bed).

[Sooh]

Going to say that I believe that Wildfire is definitely town here.

 

Wildfire doesn't do that kind of analysis with those conclusions as scum I don't think. 

[Clovdyx]

I'm not going to quote Iron's post because it's going to become an eyesore very quickly, but I do want to respond to it.

 

I don't think there's a universe where Nyn and Hallia are scummates together and Nyn started that lynch as a way of saving Hallia.  First of all, Hallia didn't really need saving, because she wasn't on the block at that point from what I remember - you were.  Secondly, I don't think Nyn goes out of way to bus teammate!Hallia only to unvote her for something completely non-game related (or mostly game related).  I'm fine with Iron mentioning hte possibility, especially since the theory he's going with is a lot more realistic.  

 

Iron, I don't understand why you're suspicious of Sooh for her role in that.  If you feel mafia was wanting to save you, I feel you should feel really good about her.  Mafia!Sooh has all of the opportunity in the world to vote Town!Pral there, and I think she'd look good for her position even if you are town.  

 

 

Now I'm kind of feeling the anti-spew thing Sooh mentioned based on him avoiding the Dice issue.  Dice made it clear he suspected Iron before but has now found reasons to avoid voting him so far on two consecutive days, and in turn, Iron isn't discussing his take on Dice's late vote.