[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Sili Quirrels]

I liked pushing the buttons when I was an sk. I can't stop this addiction. I need the button, sorry hallia.

[Hallia]

And so we wait.

[alannalynn]

Not too many pages so I'm gonna catch up current then go back to where I left off on page 140. Gonna be good to read through knowing Lenny was a wolf
 

Alanna, what was making you feel good about Lenore, besides tone?

I'm beginning to think it was largely tone and I was filling in the holes where there were problems, because even reading through the end of day 1 (I finally got there lol me), I didn't like some of her posts, like right here (LINKY LINK) where I thought her push on Seph was scummy. This is probably what happens when I don't thoroughly read the thread. I had the same problems with Wish in our last game together, I protected her when she was a wolf; I think I'm just extremely biased and need to work against that.
 
 

 

 

 

 

Sili my Iso is only 5 pages :)

i'm lazy and i have no real reason to suspect you yet.

but hallia's town and there is a chance she saw something i didn't. i can't trust my judgement about you besides.

 

Hally is literally using one misunderstanding as her whole case on me so I don't really know why... I've been townie when I've been here I think lol
Why the bold?

 

Yes, something regarding me and something regarding Zander is literally one post. Right.

 

Hally you're painting me a a wolf and I'm not one. Try to read through my posts believing I'm town, please. I've explained where I'm struggling this game and I'm allowed to misread Zander.
 

I hate it as reasoning but perpetual catchup is bugging me.

I mean in Worlds End Nikon was 150 pages behind and didn't realise the game had ended for half an hour, but he was posting thoughts, and trying to help.

Laines behind and read 50/100 pages Saturday and thought??? She didn't say anything until I asked, and I'd need to go back and look to see her reads.

I still like her read on me, but it's starting to feel very thin to base a read off :/

I need to explain my schedule to make this make sense. I work Friday-Monday (though I'm off today) and I'm out of the house from 5pm to 5am. That gives me 5am-5pm at home. Let's say I sleep a full 8 hours. That gives me 4 hours a day when I'm not sleeping to be productive in my life. 4 hours is not enough to even read 20 pages of this game for me. Like, seriously.
 
I don't like posting thoughts when I'm not caught up because I end up saying misinformed things which hurt the game more than help it. Like, how can I, for example, make a town read on Wish when I haven't read 100+ pages of the game? I was still defending her from the first 100 pages where I felt that she was town based on tone and a generally biased feeling? Then she flips mafia in the mid 200s and everyone looks at me like I was defending her all game, when in reality, I've only read up to page 140 and no more than that. I was only just starting to second guess myself, just barely. Do you see where this is a problem?
 
So.. Wednesday of this past week I was prepping for my interview, I missed end of day 1 where I would have defended Seph. Thursday I was out of town all day because I had to drive to my interview, I missed most if not all of day 2 because of the DL. Friday work, Saturday work, Sunday work. So here I am and I'm going to do my best for this game while I'm here. I just can't help that there are SO MANY PAGES that I haven't read and I'm struggling to catch up and honestly I've felt defeated from the start because I just don't know where I have enough hours to properly catch up and contribute to this game. If feeling defeated and overwhelmed is scummy, then whatever.
 
Okay gonna respond to Sili's posts on me, so give me a few.

[Hallia]

I will do so Laine - what do you think of the Lily/Clov situation?

[Sili Quirrels]

some of lil's interactions with wish seem clearing.

[alannalynn]

I will do so Laine - what do you think of the Lily/Clov situation?

Thank you

 

I'm not there yet soooo give me a few?

[Sili Quirrels]

she doesn't demonstrate a through line of wolfish intent so far.

[Hallia]

I shall await

[Sili Quirrels]

My reads atm:

 

1. Darthe – Who can read Darthe? Not me.

2. Thane Vakarian Besie – After ISO, not in town pile, but not terribly scummy

3. BFG – felt good about her early on. Need to see more currently

4. Hallia - town

6. Sili Quirrels – mystery man

7. Katiora – Slight town

8. dicetosser1 – After ISO, nothing

9. Lenlo – After ISO, slight scum read

10. Niniel – after ISO, feeling town on her

11. Clovdyx - town

13. LilyElizabeth - town

14. Wishtree/Stork hydra – feeling pretty town on them

15. Alannalynn – after ISO, mild town read on her

16. Lizabeth – After ISO, pretty null still 

ref.

 

They can't all be town, I know...

[Sili Quirrels]

not sure what sort of competent cop gives multiple villagers 'town' reads like that.

[Sili Quirrels]

vote on wish looks good.

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

 

If you people lunch lenny tomorrow I'm going to flip out

I think it's inevitable meh

 

I'm kinda bummed, haven't been playing well

 

Town is town. Idgaf if you think you're playing bad.

 

:/

 

lol?

 

i don't know what to make of this actually. i just thought it was possibly relevant to someone smarter than me. but you got to read the context. laine comes in after th elynch and starts hard defending wish.

 

happened when i was questioning wish about a particularly bad post.

 

you can see my progress on wish around eod 1 on page 14 ascending of my iso. it's not long. i go back and forth between wish and lenlo because i was trying not to lynch seph.

 

way wish responds to me is pretty telling imo, but i think i'm biased.

 

this is my 10000th post.

 

yayayayayaayyja

 

 

I don't even know if I want to defend this post. I made a confident mistake. I was also confident that she was town in our last game, I was confident 2/3 mafia in Harry Potter were town. I speak confidently as town even if I'm wrong.

 

i'm just sad right now.

 

the fact i can't remember laine ever defending someone as hard as she defended wish when laine's been constantly behind probably makes laine a wolf and i don't want to admit it to myself yet.

I don't like this reasoning Sili. I was still reading Wish from early game, having missed more than 50% of her posts. Why would I out myself defending a teammate knowing the thread was aware I wasn't caught up on the game? It doesn't logically make sense. Hell, me town reading her at all logically doesn't make sense but I thought I had a stronger town read on her early game than I apparently did.

 

 

 

 

Just a note, Stork: Zander's lolololols are not alignment indicative, and neither are his wolfy one liners.

 

Actually have a slight scum read on him for his entry into the thread, now that I think about it. I'm expecting Full!Zander sometime soon, and it shouldn't be done with him kicking and screaming resistance against. Read pending.

this is a strange thing to post itt lenny. Aren't y'all a Hydra?

 

laine misreads wish's post with tmi. sigh**

 

Explain why you think this is TMI? I was calling her out for appearing to show off her hydra on thread; it was awkward. Those types of conversations should take place in their private communications, not on the thread, appearing to add to the game when really doing nothing.

 

 

 

Please don't provoke zander too much, I need to get a read on him without him going all tunnely

you can read zander even when he tunnels. not sure if laine thinks the same as me about zander, but this strikes me as incorrect

 

'please don't provoke zander too much'.**

 

that framing is evil inclined.

 

I struggle to read Zander when he is in the middle of a tunnel. I get caught in the trap of: he could be town or mafia, tunneling is null and this sucks. Whereas, outside of a tunnel, for me, is good because I can see him work on the thread, outside of pressure and tend to get a better read of him if I'm paying attention. I guess that's just me though.

 

 

 

she knows i'm spontaneous. 'scares me a little' reads as fake in that light.

 

easy to see this coming from scum laine.

 

Now you're just painting me as scum, Sili. I'm allowed to be suspicious of easy town reads when I'm having a bad game.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I'm feeling weird today..

 

I have to fight myself NOT to auto town read Zander, tbqh. I'm mainly null and waiting for some sign either way atm

 

I also hate to leave right now but I seriously feel nauseated and need some time to not puke

seems weird to me that she says she doesnt want wish to confuse things by provoking zander into tunnel mode in light of her auto town read on zander after what i guess is a review of his content.

 

it shows that zander to her gut was an easy read, therefore why is zander a difficult read? What I mean is, why go against the grain of your own intuition?

 

Seems like a forced null just to make a read that is conflicted, or perhaps to avoid town reading another town.

 

Same as above, you're forcing this. I always want to town read Zander, it's working out whether that is a true town read or not that's the problem. Zander is just too likeable.

 

 

I dont' want to catch up. Do I have to? Can I just wing it for the rest of the game?

I related so much, but to be honest this is probably a bad look for laline specifically.

 

And not because she doesn't want to catch up but because of the 'can i just wing it'. how that's phrased is she doesn't want to put in more effort than she has to even if it sacrifices the meat of her contribution which is a sacrifice i don't think town laine wants to do.

 

If you'll notice, I still continued to try and read the thread. I can't just sacrifice content, you're right. I signed up for this game and I intend to do my best to win it. But I also can't help feeling defeated by the freaking page count.

 

#4749 I didn't think it was necessary to explain why that Lenlo post was bad: it was a summary and nothing more. It /looks/ good, but does nothing else.

 

#4750 re: Wish's post: I'm seriously tired of talking about Wish at this point. I don't have notes on my notes but I think I liked that she was questioning Zander who I was meh about at that point, I would have liked that she was asking questions and seeming engaged in the thread. Other than that, probably tone.

 

#4751 I don't even remember what argument that was on p25/26... done talking about the Hally thing until I reread it... Lenlo's post was bad but I recall him making previous posts in the past like that but I don't remember his alignment in those games.

 

 

 

[Katiora]

[v]Clov [/v]

 

and lets keep our fingers crossed that we're not being fooled.... 

[Guest]

I'm going to [unvote] - please have patience with me. I want to share a theory with you guys, and if it sounds highly improbable, I'll vote again (hammer is still yours, Hallia )

and here it is – it forms part of my iso on Lenlo but it’s not necessary to read the iso for the theory.

 

iso on Lenlo (up to yesterday)

 

 

 

Original feel: Scum

Also going to do the day by day thing.

 

Another note: I don’t really understand Lenlo’s posts all that well – I don’t understand him. I’m not always certain if his kinda upset posts are alignment indicative, or just him being him.

 

5 Jun (D1)

Start. Posts all fluff

 

6 Jun (D1)

He posts his catch up in #290. He sees a lot more in the first few pages than I did, which he apparently sums up as (#296) seph, sili, hallia, laine and bfg “different/off/strange”. And zander neutral-town. this holds no meaning for me alignment wise yet. too early.

#322 - which is apparently not too early in his opinion. his reason for saying alanna is absent is a bit strange. he’s forming possible alliances already – not sure what to make of it.

#351 – suddenly he’s very defensive of his little catch up /thoughts post – again, not sure what to make of it, but I’m guessing it’s not alignment indicative

#356 sounds like an excuse?

#493 – this is a very odd post. he has troubles with someone having troubles with his troubles. says that early posts are not really good for reading, and says that he might be reading hallia wrong. all this contradicts the little he has been saying up to this point – seems scummy imo, like he is trying to keep options open. I’m all for keeping options open this early in the game. My problem with it is that he gave his thoughts and was defensive about it, and then posts now about how it was just thoughts and didn’t mean anything actually. then why post it at all?

Within the same post he takes sili’s posts very seriously. Which he should have expected, giving that he posted his thoughts on the first 15 pages of the game.

Knowing that sili often posts his thoughts (no matter how random) on other’s thoughts and opinions on even more others, I’m actually surprised to see someone respond so seriously to them. It’s generally easy to distinguish between the posts sili posts as serious, and the ones where it seems he is talking to himself. Yes, sometimes he posts things where it’s like… do I answer or …? In this case, I think that lenlo overreacted to some of them.

His answering of sili’s questions is good, imo. But his actual reasoning in them seems odd. Not sure how else to put it.

 

#494 – he’s upset with sili here. says sili is putting words in his mouth (I’m fairly certain he said this about people in previous games too, but I don’t remember his alignment so it’s not alignment indicative to me). he quite ferociously challenges sili to build a case on him. I agree with sili that his posts had a lot of variance. it’s odd to me that he didn’t see the variance in his own posts.

#495 – contradicts (or variance) his previous posts again.

#499 - jumps on sili again

#500 - focuses on a word choice and later ()changes it.

#505 - and now, suddenly, intros are hard. Scummy. He can’t give us his thoughts and then say it’s hard? Didn’t he focus on me and said that my feels coming into the game was faulty cause it was too fast – even though I had read more of the thread than he did at this point (simply because there was more?) well, someone did. In the same post his last thoughts actually make sense again and actually seem towny. To a degree. And scummy again. Saying someone’s case is “flat our wrong” isn’t exactly helping anything. I didn’t think there was a case to start with, but I didn’t think sili’s “case” was wrong either. It just wasn’t even remotely strong. This could just be lenlo talking, I guess

#513 – some of this post (last two comments) can make sense, and some of this post (first two comments really doesn’t. Well, it’s not that it doesn’t make sense – it’s just odd to me that he can’t seem to be able to see something from someone else’s view.

 

#528 – His first comment here is “Alright. And what reads were those? Who did I say was town and who wolf? Who was I trying to influence? I know its hard to come up with these answers on the fly, but if this is an actual case/read you should be able to answer these no problem.” – and that is almost exactly the problem for me. It’s page 27 and, even though he’s fought with sili and stated some thoughts, he hasn’t actually given his opinion on anyone. His second comment: “Townies want thread presence. Townies want to influence others. Its how they get people to vote with them.” – does he think being just present is enough to count as thread presence? there’s a big difference between being a simple presence, and actually contributing to the town game. Up to here, I’d say this post is scummy. and then, lastly in the same post, he focuses on word choice again. Even though people were probably just joking with him, he took it quite seriously. I don’t know whether this is normal for lenlo, or actually means something alignment-wise.

Actually makes a joke (I think) in #530

Goes on about word choice again in #532, lol, and he gets annoyed and tells sili to focus on the other players. is this scummy? I don’t know.

 

He actually starts game solving (imo) when he asks hallia’s opinion on seph (#543) – and still focuses quite clearly on his word choice.

#544 – well, this post seems just like nonsense to me. He’s blinded by his own opinion. Not alignment indicative.

#550 – what? the first part of his reply here I don’t agree with at all. second almost almost contradicts the first. scummy to the first

#559 – even though his tone is still the same, I understand his arguments here. this is more towny

Then follows a few posts where he expresses his annoyance with sili’s vote on him, after sili says he’s not going to change it (#564, #566, #568). What bothers me is that he doesn’t really bother trying to get the scum, but rather just keeps on being all grumpy-like (imo). In my mind, I have to ask: is this more likely for a scum to do, or a town? Wouldn’t a town rather try to find the actual scum? Whereas, in my mind, I believe a scum would be annoyed at being caught so early. I believe a scum would be much more likely to be upset about an unchanging vote than a town. This is scummy, imo.

Oh. He goes on to actually go on with the game in #572. It’s towny – I like his reasoning as well, “So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future”. He seems confident at the end of the post that, until more people agree with him, he’s not being lynched. Not sure if that could indicate something alignment indicative or not.

#584 – darthe said that the whole lenlo-sili thing isn’t alignment indicative. Which lenlo couldn’t understand – he is still blinded by his own opinion. I’d say his bussing, except that seph is town. I’m starting to think lenlo being this blind is not neutral ito alignment anymore.

 

He finally has a bit more opinion on the gameplay itself in #619.

In #612 he replies to niniel saying that he had done more in the game than catching up. Which is technically true. I mean, he did have that whole argument with sili which basically helped the town as a whole… well… nothing. I don’t think this post is alignment indicative.

#628 – he’s game solving, which I think is towny

#658 – after sili changed his vote, lenlo comments on it. He’s very annoyed at sili in this post and even swears at the end – not sure but I believe this isn’t alignment indicative. This feels almost like revenge/omgus after sili was going at him.

sigh… and they start up again in #661… #666, #674, etc.

What’s interesting is that after sili says he’s probably town (#688), he just gives one annoyed comment (#724), and completely drops it and goes on (#798). If he continues to think sili is scum then this may be towny. If not, then I don’t understand it at all. Sili often does weird things like this so I expect it from him. Not sure if lenlo does.

 

7 Jun (D1)

He posts a Dice quote but gives no reason why (#829).

He shares his thoughts on posts in #830, but most are “nothing worth mentioning” – again… so why mention it at all? This post in total isn’t much help ito game progression.

In spoiler is non-alignment indicative fluff post, comment @lenlo

 

 

I’m actually smiling at this one

Had to do some formatting cause to many quotes. Also at what point did people stop using Len?

because I remember in… I think my first game when I was hydra with zander, you were surprised when one person called you len. Many of us were like… but we call you len all the time… and now you notice when we don’t

 

 

#911 - I found this post interesting. He basically says that sili is horrible at reading him, which shouldn’t be alignment indicative, in my eyes. He states that sili dislikes the “other things” he sees as “important”. I don’t think this is entirely true. Sili goes at everything from many different angles (going by memory – I’m definitely not iso’ing sili in this game).

He does keep his “sili is wolfy” thoughts in #930. When asked, he gives his reasons in #940. His last paragraph in the post is a bit (okay, a lot) of an exaggeration – he seems to still think sili’s posts were always completely serious and does not even begin to think that sili might just have been prodding to see his reaction. I think this might be a bit scummy – simply because I believe sili did say that he was just poking. This could just be in my memory from a previous game, but I’m fairly certain sili is always poking and prodding everywhere to see reactions.

Some more confusion in posts #1073 and #1076 regarding their argument thing – not alignment indicative.

He explains again some of his previous posts (#1082) which I think is a towny thing to do, even though he’s rude in the end of the post.

 

In #1089 he exclaims in harsh tones that he’s trying to find the scum of the game – but except for a few posts, he really has not. He focuses on sili, and then gets annoyed at seph when seph implies hes scum too. Very defensive. Very narrow minded. Lenlo, or scummy?

He votes sili in #1091, which at least is consistent. In his mind, I can see the reasons, and I understand his reasons for the vote to a degree so I’ll label it as towny.

Then he references his own posts again to further indicate why sili is scum in #1094.

I feel that I need to quote the following post:

 

Congrats, youve proven that sili is a pain in the rear when he wants to be.

 

You're making a good show of it too and managing to muddle reads on both of you in the process. The big difference is that this is normal of him and isnt normal of you.

I dont see why not. Ive been frustrated before with someone elses attitude before.

 

I agree with Darthe. The encounter isn’t alignment indicative of sili, as much as for lenlo, as I’ve noted above. Lenlo’s answer to darthe is not good enough, imo. Does that mean that he often focuses on voting people with bad attitude? Maybe he should vote himself? (okay, that was snarky, sorry)

#1106 – even though his reasoning in his first reply here makes sense and is true, it’s not what he has done. So his reasoning for his own vote is slightly… wrong. His second reply in this post is odd since I didn’t really see what he says happened. I guess it’s possible that I completely misunderstood the sili-lenlo argument, but not this much.

#1109 – says he tried to be patient with sili this game. If this is his patience, I don’t want to see his impatience. Not alignment indicative imo. The rest of the post is more scummy. He says he doesn’t understand why sili didn’t push him more for thinking he’s wolf. But sili already said he thought he was town in the previous posts. His last sentence is a bit rude and basically says that sili won’t accept the blame for lenlo’s lynch. Which is true, sure, but using blame as a reason is not a good reason. I’m going to say these two things are scummy.

Then it seems like and sili gets at each other throats again where he basically just focuses on how sili would blame lenlo for his own lynch (or something along those lines), and some more stuff that I’m not even going to try to put an alignment to. (#1110; #1116).

 

#1299 - Post that would have been towny had it not been for all the previous posts.

He comments on someone’s wolf team (#1302) – I’ve a feeling it’s more because he’s part of the wolf team in that post than anything else. He doesn’t actually contribute here. I believe he’s defending himself again.

Another that doesn’t contribute to the game (#1320).

Somewhere inbetween he’s asked for a reads list.

He acknowledges that he’s been asked for a reads list in #1329, but gives no read list.

#1332 - Non-contributory post

 

8 Jun (D1, N1)

In #1344 he says he’ll get to the reads when he can.

Reads in #1379

#1382, #1393, #1412 – fluff mostly

#1712 – questions seph

#1804 – valid reason for not being able to answer a question, which I later showed him how to answer (page numbers on phone) – I don’t think he went back and gave an answer though

#1832 – votes seph. This is not scummy since seph has been his other scum read since seph decided to say that lenlo might be scummy.

#1988 – gives a weird reason for voting seph

Non-indicative fluff imo in #1990

Just defending himself (in the good way) in #1991

And votes niniel in #1992. For the reason of seph’s train building too fast? What? I don’t remember him saying anything, if at all, about niniel up to this point. Knowing what we know now, was he trying to get rid of a town pr? Giving him the benefit of the doubt, this is still not acceptable. Why change your vote from someone who you think is scum? Just get rid of one scum at a time and be done with it.

 

Separating the next few posts into three categories:

1. Unhelpful, sometimes unnecessary posts, fluff #1996, #2035, #2044, #2176

2. Goes at sili again #2013, #2066, #2076

3. Basically just upset that he’s being voted #2015, #2025, #2229

I mean, he answers questions, but in unhelpful ways. His most helpful posts were “check my sig” #2037, followed by “fixed it” #2039

A bit personal in #2195 (about sili, ofc)

And even though he still dislikes sili cause he’s “scummy”, he still doesn’t vote him. Why?

 

Post #2241 is relatively interesting

 

also if your a vig, shoot darthe tonight. He is probably town, but it is a protown shot

What. I dont even. Like im all for shooting Darthe, it was amusing 4 years ago and its amusing now, but cmon.

 

without thinking about the flips, the fact that he’s interested in reasons is towny. I don’t know whether darthe’s flip makes this post towny or scummy so I’m just going to go with not alignment indicative – when using the post-flip. He continues in #2251 with a post that helps nothing, again, gamesolving-wise.

Fluff #2252, #2266

Sees that the lynch trains are wish and seph, and chooses seph (#2273, #2299). I understand why he voted seph above wish – he was a scum read for him, where as wish – nothing. And at this point in the game, I agree that he should choose a train. The question remains as to why he didn’t just vote sili to begin with? Did he have that little confidence in his abilities to convince the town that sili was scum? I’m certain that there was more than enough “evidence” for his case against sili. I’d say his vote at this stage is towny.

Sili-lenlo AGAIN in #2464.

 

After flip he says seph was very scummy (#2498, #2499). What I find interesting is that he’s doing exactly what he said sili would do ito him. He said sili would say that he played bad and deserved the lynch. And here… he’s doing the exact thing to seph. Listen… you have to practice what you preach. I don’t know if that’s scummy or just rude.

 

9 Jun (N1, D2)

#2521 – contributes to the game by making his thoughts clear on who he thinks is town (Hallia and Zander).

#2619 – fluffy almost sheep on zander (his town read, understandable), and further fluff

#2700 – fluff

#2702 – seems to calm down about sili

#2704 – fluff

#2723 – agrees with hallia’s wtl, and asks some gameplay content

#2933 – says he wants nin lynched. He’s consistent in that he wanted her lynched above seph, but says he wasn’t given a choice. This is not true. He had had a choice. He always had a choice. Yes, later on he chose between the two trains (wish & seph), but before that he had had the choice of not removing his vote.

#2982 – fluff

A valid point was raised regarding his choices of lynches, and his reply is in #3060. The idea is that he wanted to vote anyone but himself, which I agree isn’t a reason for his votes of D1.

Unhelpful post in #3062.

Explains his thoughts on wish in #3069.

In #3077 he’s snarky, and it’s sili-lenlo again. This time, he almost brags (or is just really annoyed) that sili thought he could have had him lynched. He points out that he never had more than 3,4 votes. Not alignment indicative.

 

10 Jun (D2)

In #3081 he says he doesn’t like it when a town trusts him. He points out that he’s town again. I am wifom’ing so I’m going to say this isn’t alignment indicative.

#3173 is another set of catchup thought posts that doesn’t help the gameplay at all, and is just arguing with sili again. Continues in #3176

#3178 – here he gets upset at dice’s vote on him, and he states that he stayed the longest on niniel’s train. He doesn’t provide proof, which is okay I guess. Not alignment indicative.

Fluff in #3182 – going to stop posting the post #’s to the fluff posts

He seems calm about his and sili’s fight in the beginning of the game (#3253) – not alignment indicative.

Also leaving out posts that are pretty useless.

#3335 – here he argues with dice about why dice has his opinion wrong on his d1 votes. I agree with dice though, and it seems like lenlo is actually almost lying (or even just twisting his own actions – or maybe recalling them incorrectly?) so that this post is scummy, imo.

#3336 – he says what we all know – him and bussing goes hand in hand – not alignment indicative

Arguments with dice continues in #3339 where he says he’s lying, #3344 which is an actual occurrence of events. He still did not have a valid reason for voting niniel – at least, he did not share his thoughts before voting her. and still… what about sili? More in #3345, #3346 – and I agree with dice here. His reasoning in #3349 for his last switch to seph is the only one I completely agree with. And all throughout this he doesn’t really try solving the game, again, but rather just defends himself and basically tries to get the vote off himself.

In #3416 he says it felt odd to him that the seph lynch climbed so quickly – that it might be wolves. So now the question is… firstly, if he thought seph was scummy, why didn’t he just stay there and get rid of the presumed scum? And secondly, is this tmi? Does he know who the wolves are? Who says the wolves weren’t trying to divert the game to rather voting wish, so they’d look good? all wifom and using info we only found out later, but still. scummy-ish post.

 

And he votes niniel in #3417.

Which he changes to dice in #3675.

Defends himself again in #4026 and #4027. Defending yourself is fine. But somehow he can’t see why others think he’s reasons don’t work. He’s blinded by his own opinion. Again.

 

11 Jun (D2, N2)

He raises a good point in #4037 (if its true) where he says that sili hasn’t voted him even though he had said he would for a “week” – which is exaggeration again.

I disagree with his response to #4045 – he’s basically saying that he didn’t need to share his thoughts because the game was going along just fine without them. Even though this may be true, that’s no way for a town to play. I’m going to call it scummy.

Him and sili AGAIN in #4086, #4088, etc.

He answers questions, but not in any way that could help the game (ex. #4094).

He actually sounds like he’s trying to solve the game in #4196 – his fourth game solving post in total? I didn’t really count. This post is towny.

#4216 – grumpy to sili AGAIN (as a side note… if he and sili has been bussing all game I’ll cry) and says that he’s trying to solve the game, and then continues to. last bit of the post is towny.

#4218 - gives his thoughts on who the scum could be.

I’m not sure what changed for him to suddenly decide to participate in solving the game in the last few posts. I’ll just wifom so not going to decide on an alignment for them.

He’s well aware of everyone who thinks he’s scummy (#4260) but does not seem too worried. If we knew we had an sk I would guess he’s the sk. He also brings up language stuff again in the same post.

 

#4268 – to sili, saying dice was lying. He seems to focus on small parts of the game and continuously brings it up again, even though he’s the only one with a certain opinion on it. How narrow minded is he? Or is it alignment indicative?

He finally decides to vote sili (#4276) and gives a reason (#4274, I think).

Gets irritated with another vote on him (#4285).

In #4298 he states that he’s never said sili is town. I agree with him there. I believe he’s arguing with someone that said he voted sili when he thought sili was town – and that was obviously not the case. Lenlo has never thought sili as town.

 

12 Jun (D3)

He does say that he believes sili is sk, rather than mafia though (#4302). If that’s the case, it’ll be quite amusing, since sili would be sk two games in a row. Of course every game brings new chances to be randed certain roles, but I still think it would be amusing.

He asks sili 6 times (#4303, #4309, #4310, #4313, #4316, #4320, #4324) for a quote about something. Not sure what but he’s very serious. This amount of determination I’m going to say is towny. In the second to last post he says that the quote doesn’t exist though, which makes me think that he might have been pushing somewhere he knew he’d win. Might still be towny.

 

He gives more reasons (some okay, some kinda, some not) about why people are wrong about reading him scum (#4336, #4337)

Then he starts pushing hard at sili… by still asking for the quote (#4350) and saying he is bluffing. More quote asking (#4354), and even asks hallia to ask him for the quote (#4361) when she votes sili. Apparently lenlo liked that she voted him – which makes sense. The last part mentioned here isn’t alignment indicative.

And it goes on between him asking for the quote and then argh (#4366, #4368, #4369)

 

Finally decides to go at someone else (Alanna) (#4373).

#4386 – he states his gameplay again (albeit to sili, again). It’s almost odd to see a post where he actually posts something with content to sili.

 

 

Last post for this iso is #4558, where he said he’d iso wish.

 

 

Feel after read/iso: I believe Lenlo is scum. For all the reasons that I have bolded.

 

 

Then I’m going to go a step further – into the claim business.

 

 

So here’s the list (I added the bold)

The thing is it's not 5...

 

Zander

BFG

Nin

Hallia

Lily / Clov

Lenlo

 

That's 6...

Clov is implying that he’s something too. I think everyone agrees that it’s never Clov/Lily w/w or t/t so one of the two is lying – which is why I added him to the list.

 

Even if we ignore those two, I’m going to accept Sili’s and Kat’s thoughts that perhaps 6 is a bit much for this game. So, of those 6, it is possible that one is lying. Of those 6, 3 are flipped. I believe Hallia. I believe either Lily or Clov is definitely telling the truth.

 

So of those 6, I believe it’s most likely that Lenlo is lying. Many people thinks he’s playing scummy, and I don’t think it’s something he wouldn’t do.

 

 

 

I would very much like to vote Lenlo. I don’t mind leaving him until the next day to see whether Lily is telling the truth, but I have very little doubt that Lenlo is scum. What do you guys think? Opinions please.

 

 

On a side note… I’m also starting to tinfoil sili – mostly because of this lenlo iso. Lenlo has infected my mind. Save me.

 

[Sili Quirrels]

i hope i'm forcing it.

[alannalynn]

/snip

 

Sili I'm inclined to agree on the Laine read she's prolly my #2 on my list. I don't know what Laine really has going on, but i have known PLENTY of people who use their real life circumstances to their advantage when they're mafia. Not that she's lying about ANYTHING. But it gives her the perfect excuse to lay low and not post. It's one of the reasons I was suspicious of Nin and one of the reasons I'ms suspicious of Lily and Liz... It doesn't automatically make them scum, but it makes me look at everything they do post a bit more. 

 

/snip

 

Not so town: 

Lily - Ehhhhh mostly just from lack of content. I will probably go back and ISO today and just look at stuff... 

Liz - Same as lily... And I need to really ISO both of them and read them separate so maybe I can separate them in my mind... Both of them still want to meld in there lol... 

Laine - I'm finding myself agreeing with SIli... Ever since the first page I've thought your interactions with Zander a little weird. 

Besie - She's my scummiest.. Though Darthe flipping vanilla instead of PR throws me a bit which is the reason she's orange instead of Red.... She'd be my #1 for a vote today. I think she's sheeped a lot.. and by sheeping I don't mean just voting behind someone. I mean voting someone with absolutely no reasoning. And while it appears I did this yesterday I did this thinking that Darthe was probably town Cop Odd nights (how Zander was town cop odd nights) and I thought he had read Besie night 1 and I could say that  yesterday because That would have outed darthe and that's not good for town if he was... but he wasn't...

 

Honestly right now out of my 5 on the bottom I think that probably 2 are Scum... Maybe 3... And possibly one of my light greens/blue is scum or a SK... But I'm all for going after one of my oranges.... I prefer Besie.. just because I feel the strongest about her but I'm open to the opinions of others... 

 

And Dang... Night just ended... I took WAYYY too long typing this post up... glad I was right about BFG though lol

Snipped irrelevant bits.

 

Top part: I'm more likely to compensate as mafia because scum has more to lose from losing one player, tbh. And I know that it looks like I'm trying to excuse myself, but I also now have 5 days off so I can actually catch up and contribute. I'm sorry that I've sucked thus far.

 

Bottom part: How were my interactions with Zander weird? How do you think I would treat him if I were mafia? How do you think I would treat him as town?

 

[Hallia]

Oooooh

[Guest]

Is the next vote hammer, or do you need 1 more?

[Hallia]

ONE MORE

[Guest]

[v]Clov[/v]

[Guest]

Your turn

[Hallia]

[v] Clov [/v]

[Hallia]

HAMMER TIME

[Guest]

I'm going with that option. 

 

In my post you'll see... I started tinfoiling more and more and more and... well basically now I'm starting to think think that maybe I've been wrong on sili. I don't think sili and lenlo are w/w, unless they're bussing. What do you think?

 

Voted because I'm more certain that either clov or lily is scum, than which between sili and lenlo.

[Katiora]

http://vevo.ly/hqB9ND