[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[wish-tree]

I think I believe dice.

[wish-tree]

Niniel, did you ever reconsider your read on Lenlo after he explained how he got to his read on me at EOD? Why do you think Lenlo defended me over other people more willing to vote seph than me, such as dice and Blessie?

[wish-tree]

Passing out again, too sleepy. Please answer my questions, but leaving my vote on niniel now that I am more confident in Lenlo being town, and I think dice's claim makes sense.

 

Lenlo's right, niniel linking together him and me is suspect especially if she doesn't reevaluate after his explanation of why he voted in that way.

 

Also, returning to my original reads before I got all tunnely on seph:

 

Niniel/Blessie/Hallia/?

 

I need to look into bfg, Chris, Liz, and Lily, I think I've been reading them as town for entrance/interaction/how they've treated me reasons, don't think that these reads are as solid as they could be.

 

Dice gets a one day pass for the claim. Lenlo also needs to get out of his sili spat and step it up tomorrow.

[wish-tree]

And I didn't even vote niniel...

 

Okay loll

 

[V] niniel [/v]

[wish-tree]

oh and

 

Vote: B] 36 hour day

[Lizabeth]

Liz, key questions from me at this point are:

 

How did your read on Zander evolve?

How did your read on Seph evolve?

 

As in, when did you start thinking they were town/mafia and why? (when quite important)

 

I thought Seph was possible mafia right from the get-go. I outlined that in my post on him the other monring. I thought both he and Hallia were too quick to sart calling you town and it looked to me like both of them were buddying you to get on your good side. I can't remember who said this, but one person actually said "If I were mafia, I'd be trying to get on BFGs good side", so that's one thing that pinged me.

 

Nothing Seph did really did anything to change that impression, and he did a lot of stuff that strengthened it. And to be honest, if I had been around for the lead up to the end of D1, I would have made sure my vote made it onto him because i thought his arguments against lenny were omgusy and bad. If he were still alive for D2 I would probably still be voting for him based on what I read last night. . Mainly, I don't understand how they were stuck on the idea that Lenny could POE Niniel as likely town if she (lenny) thought that Zander and Seph were both scum. And they both did something that I consider to be a scum tell - talking to the person they've been declaring is absolutely scum as though  the scumspect was "misreading" them instead of intentionally lying about their read.

 

As for Zander, I started off reading him as town because it was my impression that he actually wanted to hear the answers to the multiquestions he was throwing around. I thought the arguing between him and Lenny looked like town on town like I said before. Then the thing with him and Niniel - him repeatedly asking her to give details on a read that he acknowledged she was saying was a gut read not a logic-based read - made me doubt. And then he did something that I consider to be a town-tell  - as in it's ballsy if you're scum just throwing out baseless accusations - and he asked me to read the argument between him and Niniel and judge for myself. Like he believed his points were righteous and that I would come to the same conclusion if I just read it through. And while I still didn't like the fact that he was doing the repetitive circular thing with her over her read on whoever it was (lily or kat?), it struck me as honest. But then I came back to the same kind of circular, repetitive arguing, and him OMGUSing me and attacking me for things like not keeping up with the thread when i explained that I was trying to catch up, i was exhausted, and I just wanted help in being able to find information in a mammoth thread that doesn't give mentions or quote notifications - his attitude and approach made me doubt. When he was scum in mafia karts I had pointed out (when i thought he was town) that the repetitive ciruclar arguments just serve to distract from productive leads. Both town and scum can do it. But him continung to do it despite feedback made me question his intentions. I wouldnt' have voted him yesterday, but I definitely came into D2 thinking he was possible scum.

[Lizabeth]

 

Okay, I'm going to bed. I'm hoping that people will seriously reconsider the 24 hour day for the sake of us poor working sods who are trying to keep up.

 

 

And sorry for blowing up and getting bitchy...

 

I work ; . ;

 

I didn't say you didn't work.

[Lizabeth]

Vote Option B, 36 hours

 

If it helps.

Thank you!

[Darthe]

b

[Lizabeth]

 

[v]unvote[/v]

 

If people are voting through 24 hours then that's not going to work.

 

 

 

Okay, want to test out a theory.

 

[v]Niniel[/v]

 

I'll come back to this later, I promise!

 

Finished back-reading a portion of D1, and I'm going to catch up on D2 now.

 

If anyone wants my attention/response can you do me a favour and post my name in big letters and colour. Any colour you want, but then I know I won't miss it. I figure it's the next best thing to mentions (not complaining...just adapting).

 

Did you ever explain what you were trying to test before?

 

Also, I posted something to/about you yesterday morning.  I'd like your thoughts on it.

 

 

1. no. It doesn't matter now though because there's no time to test it if the day is going to be 24 hours.

 

I was just doing an analysis of who could not be teamed with who vs. who could possibly be teamed with who based on how the wagons rolled out yesterday and Niniel kept coming up as a lynchpin in the analysis. So I wanted to see what would happen.

 

2. I didn't bother catching up on the night because i was trying to figure out what happened yesterday and catch up on today. But i'm giving up now.

 

If the day is 36 hours, that gives me time after work to actaully catch up and make a contribution.

 

If the day is 24 hours there's not even any point and I'm going to bed.

 

 

1.  Okay?  Why does the phase limit matter in determining that?  And I know you keep saying you're not caught up, but I don't understand why you can't just look at her actual posts and start from there to try to piece together teams.  

 

2.  That's not an answer.  I don't really care if you catch up on what happened throughout the night.  I'm talking specific post, and if check my ISO, I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to find.

 

 

How are you getting that Clov and Lenlo are scummates? Clov has been pushing a lenlo lynch since forever in my memory and his vote was on Lenlo when Lenlo was almost lynched yesterday

 

 

lenlo for some reason "missed" just 2 things  both by clov. I originally thought of 2 possibilitysd for this  1 was staying away from a teammate. 2 was not wanting to get clov on his case.

 

Clovs reaction to me about my seph vote is what makes me think he is scum

 

How are either of these viable thoughts?  

 

So it really has nothing to do with you think Lenlo was avoiding me, but it's because I didn't let you get away with sheeping a bad vote on somebody I was townreading.  That's the argument now?

 

1. I was testing a theory, not trying to get her lynched (yet). But me leaving my vote on her without being around at end of day to shift it if necessary could have led to me accidentally helping lynch her.

 

2. Last night I was trying to catch up on D1 and then trying to get caught up on D2 before going to bed. If there's a particular question you want me to respond to, why don't you do what BFG did and  ask me again? I only have so much time for catch up so I'm trying to focus my energies where I think they'll be most productive. Coming through the night thread (still don't understand the night thread thing...) was not my priority.

[Lizabeth]

I think I believe dice.

Why?

[Lizabeth]

Okay, Emily just told me that end of day is at 5:30 today which means I won't be around for end of day.

 

I'll try to come home to skim and post at lunch. At least the thread is more manageable to read now.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

Niniel (4) - Besie, Katiora, Sili, Wistork
Dice (2) - Clov, BFG
Lenlo (2) - Niniel, dice
Besie (1) - Darthe
sili (1) - Hallia

Not Voting (4) -  Lenlo, Lily, Alanna, Lizabeth,

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. 

Deadline: Friday, June 10, 4:30pm CDT

[Darthe]

Besie votes are the best votes, folks

[keyholder21]

Phase Length Count:

 

24 hour day (4) - Sili, Besie, Kat, Lenlo, 

36 hour day (8) - BFG, Clov, Lily, Niniel, Liz, Hallia, Wistork, Darthe

 

Hasn't voted (1) - Alanna, 

It takes 8 to decide.

 

 

36 Hours it is, from Day 3 to ?

[Hallia]

I thought I revoted for Nin

 

[unvote]

[v] Nin [/v]

[wish-tree]

 

I think I believe dice.

Why?

The flavor of his claim. He's been softing it since d1.

[Niniel]

I don't understand what the Sili/Hally argument was about. (And don't try to explain it. )

 

Congrats, Laine. Was it a job interview?

 

Will go back and find quotes that I will comment/answer but first I want to address Kat and Hallia about something that I think is very unfair. Both said that they disliked me soft claiming and then just leaving. If you have read my post it said that I had to go to bed. I live in a different time zone, which at least Hallia is aware of. I wanted to know if I were in danger of being lynched, because if so I would have claimed. I won't claim if it's not necessary. You may not like my play and find my play scummy and that is okay but that felt really unfair.

[Katiora]

 

 

I think I believe dice.

Why?

The flavor of his claim. He's been softing it since d1.

 

You do realize that Key said that mafia would be provided fake claims?? 

[Katiora]

 

I <3 the 90's Mafia - Music Edition

 

 

RULES

 

 

7. You may roleclaim or character claim whatever you please. Mafia will be provided fakeclaims.

 

 

[Niniel]

 

 

 

 

I'd like to look into Lwnlo today as well. Yesterday when I asked him for a reads list, he provided one with me on it that had me as slightly scummy, but when asked to vote me, he said he hadn't had problems with our slot, so didn't vote me and preferred Seph. I'd have less of a problem with this if he said something that reflected the state of his reads at that time, that he had us both as scummy but wanted Seph more.Also, him leaving out Sili from the town circle of Hallia and Zander is not great. Hallia's defense of Seph minutes before EOD and then her giving up on him instead of calling out for my lunch if she really thought I was a wolf trying to lunch seph, just bothered me a lot. Stork and I got the chance to talk about that much earlier in our time together.

Sure she may have defended him since the beginning, but when the time came that actually mattered, when she felt so strongly about him, why was she not kicking and screaming that he was town and that I needed to die?

 

 

The top point about thinking you're scummy/not having any issue with your slot isn't awful, but I remember Len saying that he would be voting between Sili and Seph.  I'm not sure him going back there means a WHOLE lot.

 

I"m confused why you think the bold.  Can you talk about this?

 

Also, can you weigh in on what I said about Dice?

 

 

 

I´m town and seph was town so I took a look at the votecounts to see if there were people that were on both of our trains. It seems that there weren´t. There were a lot of people having me as a possible lynch though. Need to look at them. Anyway, here is from when I had most votes.

 

Nini - Hallia, Zander, Clov, Kat, Laine, Sili, Lenlo

 

7 votes. All of them moved to someone else. Here are those who lynched seph:

 

Seph - Darthe, Besie, Dice, Wish, Lenlo, Lily

 

 

The only one who where on both trains is Lenlo, who I thought was mafia anyway. It´s obvious that he wanted to lynch anyone except himself. He didn´t vote Wish though.

 

Since Lenlo was one of my main suspects before this doesn´t look better for him. I will take a look at who on seph´s train that had me as a back up at the end of the day. It´s a bit tricky to search for my name since there are a lot of versions of it.

 

 

Does anybody know if this is correct?  

 

Take off Lenlo, and that's a really clean looking wagon.  And if I'm right about Dice, there's a pretty reasonable chance that's seven townies.

 

Check Key´s iso and you will find it.

 

 

It took too long time to go through all the posts for people that wanted to lynch me but voted seph. But I found an interesting post from Lenlo and made a quick mini iso of him.

 

In #1379 He makes a list. The only wolfy people are me and seph. Wish is null/slightly wolfy.

He had voted seph but in #1992 he said that he had voted seph for compting trains and that his train went too fast so he voted me instead. That made me L-2. 

Everyone but Lenlo unvoted me. In #2273 He said that if he had to choose between seph and Wish he would pick seph (who he later voted). Interesting to note is that he wondered what the case on Wish were because he hadn´t had too many problems with her. Interesting since he listed Wish as slighly wolf earlier. Sure, it was almost 1000 posts earlier but he had listed them as null/wolfy before. 

 

So if Lenlo is mafia then it could be that Wish is as well.

 

 

[v] Lenlo [/v]

 

 

 

New list coming soon.

 

So you think that Lenlo was trying to save Wish?

 

 

It's a possibility. As I said before, I feel that Wish might be town so it's based on weather or not Lenlo is Mafia.

[Katiora]

I thought I revoted for Nin

 

[unvote]

[v] Nin [/v]

 

 

you did lol Key just missed it... it happens...  

 

 

Vote: Nin

 

Vote: Nin

 

[Niniel]

 

I think that my biggest changes are Kat, Dice, Wish and Liz.

 

Kat - moved her up because so many says this is her town game. So I´m just going to trust people on this right now and let her go.

Dice - one of the reasons that I thought he was town was that he wasn´t town reading Zander (who I though was mafia) + maybe because he was so nice to me. Now that I know that Zander is town it changes it. I saw that Clove wrote about him recently but I didn´t read it. Will do.

Wish - there is maybe a connection with her and Lenlo. So my read on her is based on Lenlo´s alignment.

Liz - I feel that I´ve got nothing from her. I think she has commented on things that I don´t understand or has been too busy to read.

 

 

I edited the list out because it didn't really look bad or special to me.  A couple questions, though.

 

1) Who all are reading Kat as town?  I don't think there's been much AGAINST her, but nobody sticks out for feeling particularly strongly about her.  Maybe Zander was?

 

2) Why does Zander flipping town change things?

1. It felt that a lot of people said that Kat wouldn't play this way as Mafia. Don't remember how many that said it. But after today's posts she is back in the Mafia pile again. I don't like the way she is going after me.

 

2. The two people that I think read Zander best is Laine and Dice. I thought that Zander was Mafia and I liked that Dice didn't clear him. I thought he felt the same way as I about Zander. But now that Zander was town then I wondered if Dice was Mafia that wanted to get Zander lynched. But now that I think about it more, it would probably have been easier for him to just buddy Zander. I don't know about his claim but it felt real to me. I think Dice is back as town.

[Katiora]

not sure why it posted twice... pretty sure it's cause it hates me

[keyholder21]

 

I thought I revoted for Nin

 

[unvote]

[v] Nin [/v]

 

 

you did lol Key just missed it... it happens...

 

 

Vote: Nin

 

Vote: Nin

 

 

 

Thanks .  Sorry Hally!