[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[wish-tree]

 

 

We have an hour left. 

 

I think I'm wtl Kat or Wish

explain this?

 

Do you think we're both mafia?

 

 

This wasn't to me, but I basically said the same thing, so I'm going to address where I'm at.

 

I don't think you two are scum together.  If you were, she's not going to vote somebody and see you immediately vote the same person and try to make you look bad - especially before the flip.  The "townie" (read: teammate) thing to do might be to make you look bad when Besie flips town, but she's not while Besie's alignment is still up in the air.  

 

I think the way you've played certain things this game - your reasons for the Seph vote, following Darthe and then apparently flipping on him and not really doing much to try to get him lynched, the whole trust/suspect/tinfoil/trust/lynch thing with Niniel - give you a pretty reasonable chance to be mafia.  

 

Did you not read my reasons for the Seph vote? I flipped on darthe but he wasn't my strongest choice, and I wasn't sure, so I was poking my toe into the water and seeing if anything would take. Idk how I feel now that he actually legitimately believes 3 mafia is a reasonable number in 16 players, and because even though I'm being so hesitant on him he won't take advantage of me here. Why do you think that my Niniel thing is bad? 

 

You can ask Liz, even, she can vouch for me that I flip flop like this (unless she's mafia :/ which won't be of any help, urgh idk). 

[Darthe]

 

Besie, why did you change your mind on me?

Originally; because my strong town reads believed you town.

 

Now...

 

I'd say that it feels like you're trying to solve the game, but that statement doesn't fully cover it.

It just feels like you're looking at everything from perspectives that the rest of us are not seeing, or at least not stating out loud. ... I don't know. This means something to me.

Her strong day one reads informed on her other day one reads guys.

 

Are we playing this? Am I missing some trait that makes her townie to a number of you? Please point it out if I am.

[Guest]

Excuse me, Darthe? What do you mean my "strong D1 reads"? If you can prove that, then I don't know what to say.

[Clovdyx]

I started today by saying that Lenlo and Dice are never teammates this game, and given that Dice is my strongest suspect, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT LENLO.

 

I questioned Lenlo on his approach to Seph/Niniel and explained why I thought it made sense from a townie mindset.  Looked at his explanation versus his play at EoD yesterday and found it pretty much fit perfectly.  If he's lying, he did one of the best jobs of rolling off and covering himself that I've seen - to the point where I don't care that I'm wrong.

 

But it's much more likely that he's just town, Dice is mafia, and you refuse to take a look at him.  Why is that?

[wish-tree]

and yeah, Darthe responded well, so even my light suspicion of him didn't phase him, so I thought that was pretty towny, and idk, Chris

 

I don't understand why you defended seph yesterday for the behaviors i thought were super scummy.

[Clovdyx]

Especially after you posted earlier you would be totally willing to vote him.

 

Things that make me say, "Hmm...."

[Guest]

And in case you missed it, Darthe, most people thought I was scum for a few pages, and many still do. I'm not cleared. I've just been put off till a later time. I'm well aware of that.

[wish-tree]

Especially after you posted earlier you would be totally willing to vote him.

 

Things that make me say, "Hmm...."

is this to Darthe?

[wish-tree]

I started today by saying that Lenlo and Dice are never teammates this game, and given that Dice is my strongest suspect, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT LENLO.

 

I questioned Lenlo on his approach to Seph/Niniel and explained why I thought it made sense from a townie mindset.  Looked at his explanation versus his play at EoD yesterday and found it pretty much fit perfectly.  If he's lying, he did one of the best jobs of rolling off and covering himself that I've seen - to the point where I don't care that I'm wrong.

 

But it's much more likely that he's just town, Dice is mafia, and you refuse to take a look at him.  Why is that?

I saw that. I agree with you that Lenlo shouldn't be on the list. Can you explain why Liz isn't on your WTL list?

[wish-tree]

I think I probably need to still read BFG even if dice's soul gut thing is probably correct, if he's off then I got done hoodwinked 

[Katiora]

Ok I have only said something about one person jumping on Bessie. Wish. I think they are BOTH SCUM. Thus my I don't care WHO gets lynched as long as it's one of them post, prehallia vote. I switched from wish to Bessie cause that's where the vote looked like it was going. And then wish hopped on with her nonlinear reasoning. After I had JUST accused her of hopping on whatever train happened to be going. It was just too much not to point out.

[wish-tree]

and lol idk

 

people be giving me hate about Nirvana

 

I was a pop culture fetus until age 13, and I started off with Taylor Swift

[Darthe]

 

 

 

hm...

 

if anyone wants my 2 cents, and i dont put a lot of value in this

 

but lynch dice.

 

that's all i have to say.

This is where I'm at. I'm still waiting for somebody to give me a reason to think anything I've said is wrong. But I guess that would require people reading what I've said.

 

I'd be content with lynching Wish. I think she's played it poorly either way, but in some weird fashion, everything she said at least fits with what's happened in the thread. I think it's a lot of broken logic and really bad leaps. But I will say this - I've played with Lenore very little, but she isn't exactly the most linear thinker. So as much as it pains to me say it, I actually think she could be telling the truth. I'm just not sold she is.

 

Kat would be my third choice. She moved onto Besie after Niniel's claim, which makes a lot of sense if she believes it and Besie was her #2 candidate. What is wrong is the fact she spoke out against other people doing the same. If she actually believed that Besie is scum, she's not going to make people who are trying to lynch her look bad.

Your second choice sucks and completely countermends your past.

 

This list has no lenlo. No liz. This is a wolf clov list

Why the hell would Lenlo be on it?

Oh man, this is one of two things and I hate both atp

[wish-tree]

nonlinear reasoning doesn't make me scum, it just means I have Ne

 

I see connections other people don't, and I go after those connections

[Clovdyx]

Yeah.  Because she's done nothing that makes her more likely to be scum than the three of you.  I'm not going to defend her at this point - I have no reason to.  But if you think I'm going to vote her for not giving me a reason to NOT vote her over people who have give me reasons TO vote them, then hit me up after this game and I'll teach you how to play mafia.

 

That goes to anybody.

[wish-tree]

also

 

nonlinear =/= logical

 

you just can't follow my leaps, that's not my problem, it's yours :P

[Clovdyx]

In the mean time, I'm going to lynch people that very likely ARE mafia over people who MIGHT be.

[dicetosser1]

Niniel gets ran up yesterday, with an incredibly clean looking lynch. Hints at a claim and leaves (though I do believe timezones factor in)

 

Dice comes in and basically claims scum before deadline. He comes in today, claims, and leaves.

 

Niniel sees the claim and starts townreading him again, without addressing the argument I've even made about him.

 

The two of them are voting Lenlo, who has sounded really good today. Neither seems willing to vote the other.

 

Am I really the only person seeing this?

 

EXCUSE ME????!!!  I did NO such thing you liar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I believe dice.

Why?

The flavour of his claim. He's been softing it since d1.

 

 

What's the flavour of his claim?

 

(ftfy by the way )

 

nvm..... lollll

 

I thought Nirvana was a girl band *facepalm*

 

my own flavor and seph's are girl bands, so... lol

 

 

SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!

 

and yes i WAS softing it  Nirvana was the first vid i posted and i asked sili why he was only using nirvana    if hed answered cause thats who i am he was getting lynched.

 

and yes i know theres fake claims  but I dont need one

 

 

 

 

hm...

 

if anyone wants my 2 cents, and i dont put a lot of value in this

 

but lynch dice.

 

that's all i have to say.

This is where I'm at. I'm still waiting for somebody to give me a reason to think anything I've said is wrong. But I guess that would require people reading what I've said.

 

I'd be content with lynching Wish. I think she's played it poorly either way, but in some weird fashion, everything she said at least fits with what's happened in the thread. I think it's a lot of broken logic and really bad leaps. But I will say this - I've played with Lenore very little, but she isn't exactly the most linear thinker. So as much as it pains to me say it, I actually think she could be telling the truth. I'm just not sold she is.

 

Kat would be my third choice. She moved onto Besie after Niniel's claim, which makes a lot of sense if she believes it and Besie was her #2 candidate. What is wrong is the fact she spoke out against other people doing the same. If she actually believed that Besie is scum, she's not going to make people who are trying to lynch her look bad.

Your second choice sucks and completely countermends your past.

 

This list has no lenlo. No liz. This is a wolf clov list

 

 

 

I am more then happy to lynch clov. But i doubt we would get enough people to do it

[Niniel]

I might be wrong on this but since it feels like people don´t understand me I will try once more.

 

 

I claim doc. Wish thought I was claiming cop earlier. Which I wasn´t. She says that I can´t know about Hallia if I´m not cop. 

 

a) If she believed my cop claim then she wouldn´t have been voting me on D2.

 

b) If she thought I was fake hinting cop and didn´t believe me then why use that "claim" (that weren´t there in the first place) and put it against my doc claim? It was basically "no you can´t be sure about Hallia if you are doc". She turned my "claims" against each other. It was sort of backwards actually. She used my real claim to prove that my non existing claim was false. A claim that she didn´t believed was true anyway.

[dicetosser1]

I think I probably need to still read BFG even if dice's soul gut thing is probably correct, if he's off then I got done hoodwinked 

 

There is no guarentee my gut reads are always right wish. their just my immeadiate reaction. they have been wrong in the past.

 

i dont think i am tho

[Darthe]

Excuse me, Darthe? What do you mean my "strong D1 reads"? If you can prove that, then I don't know what to say.

 

 

Besie, why did you change your mind on me?

Originally; because my strong town reads believed you town.[/]

 

Now...

 

I'd say that it feels like you're trying to solve the game, but that statement doesn't fully cover it.

It just feels like you're looking at everything from perspectives that the rest of us are not seeing, or at least not stating out loud. ... I don't know. This means something to me.

Her strong day one reads informed on her other day one reads guys.

 

Are we playing this? Am I missing some trait that makes her townie to a number of you? Please point it out if I am.

There it is yall, bolded in the post of mine I quoted.

[Clovdyx]

You know what, let's lynch Lenlo.  I'm totally down to CFD the person that might have actually had the BEST day phase, whose thought process basically never comes from mafia, and who totally doesn't fit with somebody who might be the actually scummiest player in the entire game.

 

This is a great strategy and I approve of it fully.

[Niniel]

And now I need to go to sleep. Good night.

[Darthe]

Messed my coding up =/ top sentence, her nested quoted post

[Guest]

ISO on Dice

 

Original feel: Town

 

 

So after searching and failing the search function… fail…

 

Anyway. Of his first posts, #109 & #111 were NIRVANA related. iirc, that is what he claimed.

 

He seems like he’s uncertain about beginning reads. Which is normal.

 

If BFG’s meta on him is correct, then (#275) could be furthering the idea that he is maf.

 

#435 - the kind of posts that made me think he’s town. Felt like he was trying to solve the game.

 

#443 - seems a bit odd… maybe too much confidence but then again… it is dice.

 

I don’t entirely understand his seph vote in #1885, and his reason for lenlo not being scum doesn’t really make sense to me either.

 

He tries solving the game in #2348, at least imo, which I like.

 

He’s feisty (probably not the right word) in #2407 – I don’t know what to think of this.

 

He keeps making jokes throughout. This probably means nothing. To me, that just feels like normal Dice.

 

In #2683 he says he’s going to vote Lenlo. And then in #3125, he does. I like the consistency.

 

The next posts are either him defending himself, furthering his thoughts on lenlo being scum, or answering questions as good as he can. The first can happen as either alignment, the second feels like a town finding scum to me (or bussing? but I’m going to choose not to wifom here), and the third sounds good to me. Unless BFG is correct. Again, I’m choosing to rather not wifom and just make it a neutral.

 

… and so it goes on until he claims VT in #3374. I don’t really care about the claim. I think that’s obvious by now. I rather focus on all the other things he’s said and done throughout the game. 

 

Feel after read/iso: Still more town than scum. I don’t want to vote him yet.