[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Clovdyx]

 

actually i did TRY to post sussing len   i found out late yesterday arvo it never went. dunno why. ive been having problems with dm lately   quote thjings and type underneath and the typing doesnt show   that happened this game   quote things type  and somehow the quote the posts twice in the same post.  So yeah technically A is a lie cause it didnt work.

 

B oh im sorry  did i not tell you my every single thought? poor clov.  See thing is I SAID why i was voting him. You dont like my reason? I dont care. their MY reasons. You dont like me not sharing every single thought i have regarding players then i expect to start seeing Zander levels of posts from you detailing your EVERY SINGLE thought. I was paying attention to seph from the time he started prodding at me for no reason and yet he never followed it up. I just didnt say anything and thats my right and my choice.

 

C i told you why i was voting  you want to know what darthe said that convinced me yet it was already there.

 

D   that was the first time all game u have been at all animated and then it was aggressive. If you think im not gonna notice that or not gonna say something then ure crazy. Youve just been cruising the whole game so that shift is a fairly large one as is this whole post. I MUST ahave touched a nerve because I am the ONLY one getting this level aggression and actual palpable EFFORT from you.

 

I think you a scum. And I think lenlo is ure teammate. That good enuff for telling you my every thought?

 

 

Yes, you said why you voted him - "Darthe makes a good case".  And you're right - I don't like your reasons.  It was a weak argument, and there's no reason anybody that was actually trying to figure things out should have been following it.  You're also right that it IS your choice to not say anything.  It happens to be a choice that town shouldn't be making, and it happens to be one I don't see YOU, especially making as town, but it is your choice.

 

I don't think you're not going to notice it, and I don't care if you say anything about it or not.  What I care is what you do with it.  And since what you DO with it is make a conclusion that doesn't fit with what's happened in this game, I'm pretty sure you're mafia.

 

 

Again, I'm arguably the biggest reason the person that you think I'm upset about you mentioning was even an option yesterday.  I'm arguably the person who spoke out the most AGAINST the case for that person you mislynched.  So please, explain to me how you look at what happened and think I'm scum with Lenlo.

 

Because I call bull.

[Sili Quirrels]

was there a better case on nin or wish or lenlo than there was on seph?

 

not exactly sure there was to be honest.

 

but my expectations are thoroughly messed up cause i had to lower them so hard to not get pinged a lot this game so what do i know.

[Sili Quirrels]

seph - circumstantial evidence

wish - very strategy oriented play

nin - lack of content

[Sili Quirrels]

lenlo - shaded ppl (idc if u disagree lenlo), lack of content.

[BFG]

seph - circumstantial evidence

wish - very strategy oriented play

nin - lack of content

The case on Niniel Day 1, was the static reads and lack of original content

[Clovdyx]

[v]unvote[/v]

 

If people are voting through 24 hours then that's not going to work.

 

 

 

Okay, want to test out a theory.

 

[v]Niniel[/v]

 

I'll come back to this later, I promise!

 

Finished back-reading a portion of D1, and I'm going to catch up on D2 now.

 

If anyone wants my attention/response can you do me a favour and post my name in big letters and colour. Any colour you want, but then I know I won't miss it. I figure it's the next best thing to mentions (not complaining...just adapting).

 

Did you ever explain what you were trying to test before?

 

Also, I posted something to/about you yesterday morning.  I'd like your thoughts on it.

 

 

1. no. It doesn't matter now though because there's no time to test it if the day is going to be 24 hours.

 

I was just doing an analysis of who could not be teamed with who vs. who could possibly be teamed with who based on how the wagons rolled out yesterday and Niniel kept coming up as a lynchpin in the analysis. So I wanted to see what would happen.

 

2. I didn't bother catching up on the night because i was trying to figure out what happened yesterday and catch up on today. But i'm giving up now.

 

If the day is 36 hours, that gives me time after work to actaully catch up and make a contribution.

 

If the day is 24 hours there's not even any point and I'm going to bed.

 

 

1.  Okay?  Why does the phase limit matter in determining that?  And I know you keep saying you're not caught up, but I don't understand why you can't just look at her actual posts and start from there to try to piece together teams.  

 

2.  That's not an answer.  I don't really care if you catch up on what happened throughout the night.  I'm talking specific post, and if check my ISO, I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to find.

 

 

How are you getting that Clov and Lenlo are scummates? Clov has been pushing a lenlo lynch since forever in my memory and his vote was on Lenlo when Lenlo was almost lynched yesterday

 

 

lenlo for some reason "missed" just 2 things  both by clov. I originally thought of 2 possibilitysd for this  1 was staying away from a teammate. 2 was not wanting to get clov on his case.

 

Clovs reaction to me about my seph vote is what makes me think he is scum

 

How are either of these viable thoughts?  

 

So it really has nothing to do with you think Lenlo was avoiding me, but it's because I didn't let you get away with sheeping a bad vote on somebody I was townreading.  That's the argument now?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

seph - circumstantial evidence

wish - very strategy oriented play

nin - lack of content

The case on Niniel Day 1, was the static reads and lack of original content

 

 

Yeah, that's what I said.

[Clovdyx]

seph - circumstantial evidence

wish - very strategy oriented play

nin - lack of content

 

 

seph - circumstantial evidence

wish - very strategy oriented play

nin - lack of content

The case on Niniel Day 1, was the static reads and lack of original content

 

 

I'd say a combination of the three, myself.

[Sili Quirrels]

I guess lack of progression is not exactly lack of content. *shrug*

[BFG]

Lol I really need to read EOD1 properly

 

 

 

i want either len or seph lynched. the only possible saving grace for len is if all those "NOT WORTH MENTIONINGS" are too obvious to come from mafia.

 

 

 

seph started off kinda sussing me   i felt like he was thinking he could mislynch me later.  then suddenly i go from needing a handle to being above null

 

I think Darthe is making sense regarding seph and the halli stuff

 

 

vote seph

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Seph (5) - Darthe, Wistork, Lenlo, Besie, dice 

Niniel (3) - Hallia, Zander, Clov

Zander (1) - Niniel, 

Lenlo (1) - Sili

 

Not Voting (6) - BFG, Katiora, Lily, Lizabeth, Seph, alannalynn

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Niniel (4) - Hallia, Zander, Katiora, Lenlo

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov

Seph (3) - Darthe, Besie, dice,

Liz (1) - Seph

Wistork (1) - Sili

 

Not Voting (4) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, Wistork

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST

 

 

im goin back to bed then its 5am and i have a headache

 

back in an hr

 

 

 

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

His actions aren't making sense with his stated thoughts:

 

Reading his ISO I would have 'expected' a vote on Lenlo, especially given it was 10/11 hours before deadline and he was back on before end of day. He'd barely mentioned Seph prior to the vote and had made a few questioning Lenlo.

 

I don't think Dice believes that bussing is suddenly the most likely option to explain his thoughts on Chris/Lenlo

 

Dice can you explain why either of those things you voted Seph for was scummy?

 

He hasn't, for what it's worth, hit his most obvious mafia tell, but still looking pretty bad at this point

[Clovdyx]

You want to show me where anyone other then Hallia was willing to shift off of Wish/Seph onto Nin? With enough time to secure the lynch and not let it land on Wish?

 

I said this multiple times, but your ignoring it because it makes it easier for you to just lie.

I was the last one off Nin.

I wanted to lynch her over Seph and Wish.

No one else wanted to lynch her over Seph or Wish.

So I was forced into choosing between one of them because my vote is not enough to secure a lynch.

 

Do you understand or do I need to make more bullet points?

 

Yeah I coulda done that and let my vote go to waste and do bothin, like yours did. But then Wish might been lynched. Guess what? Seph was wolfier. So I voted the wolfier person to save the less wolfier person. Deal with it.

 

Really? Cause its all I've seen you say, Cept for how I'm somehow worin with the guy gunning for my head for the last week.

 

Goddamn, I love these posts.  I'm not going to beat a dead horse about Seph, but this is an incredibly protown thought process.  If you can't get the lynch you want, take the lynch you're most comfortable with.

 

 

And just for a little fact checking...

 

 

10. Niniel - Wolfy

12. Seph - Wheres he been lately? Timezones? Theres not as much energy here as what I saw last game, only other game with him. Call him wolfy.

14. Wishtree/Stork hydra  - Wistork - Stork doesnt exist, Wish is asking alot of questions but not really following up on anything that matters imo. Looks like alot of busy work. Null to slightly wolfy.

 

 

Order here is very clearly Niniel -> Seph -> Wish.  The uncertainty regarding Seph is kind of not so great, but I don't see an argument were he would be ABOVE somebody who is kind of null.

 

[unvote][v]Seph[/v]

 

All the trains.

 

 

Votes Seph.  17 hours to deadline.  From what I can tell, this forced a four way tie between Zander/Niniel/Lenlo/Seph, with two votes each.

 

 

[unvote][v]Niniel[/v]

 

I voted Seph for competing trains, yet that crap built super fast while I was asleep without a whole lot of backing up or justifying for it. Thats puttin me off offa it big time, so onto another wolfy person.

 

 

Five hours to deadline.  This puts Niniel at 7, with Seph the closest counterwagon at 4.

 

 

Eh... If I had to choose between Wishtork and Seph, id pick Seph for a lynch today...

 

Whats the case against Wishtork cause I havnt had to many problems with them.

 

 

One hour to deadline.  Lead is tied at 4 between Wish and Seph.  Lenlo is third with 3.  Niniel is fourth with 2, including Lenlo's vote on her.

 

 

[unvote][v]Seph[/v]

 

Going to work. Have fun.

 

 

About 45 minutes to deadline.  This ties Wish and Seph at 5, as Kat had voted Wish prior to this to put her in the lead.

 

 

 

[BFG]

Got to run

[Clovdyx]

The only thing that stands out to me as 'off' about that is that he apparently had an issue with how Seph's lynch got a lot of support really quickly with minor justification, so he moved over to Niniel, who was already in the lead when he moved.  

 

Lenlo - why were you comfortable with Niniel's lynch over Seph's?

[Sili Quirrels]

i think why i am so bad at reading ppl here is because some ppl i apply pog standards and other ppl i apply... other stnadards. =/

[Sili Quirrels]

and of course i'm always very confused.

[Sili Quirrels]

The only thing that stands out to me as 'off' about that is that he apparently had an issue with how Seph's lynch got a lot of support really quickly with minor justification, so he moved over to Niniel, who was already in the lead when he moved.  

 

Lenlo - why were you comfortable with Niniel's lynch over Seph's?

sounds like you explained the conundrum yourself.

[Sili Quirrels]

i could vote either nin or dice. it doesn't matter much to me at the moment. lemme know who i can hammer first.

[Guest]

Hi guys, I'm here for a bit. Going to read up on what I missed during the night.

 

My plan for today is to first do that ^, then iso two or three people that are either feeling wrong, or that I don't know what to think.

[Guest]

Oh, Dice is a lynch candidate? I've thought of him of town... I'll iso him too.

[Clovdyx]

 

The only thing that stands out to me as 'off' about that is that he apparently had an issue with how Seph's lynch got a lot of support really quickly with minor justification, so he moved over to Niniel, who was already in the lead when he moved.  

 

Lenlo - why were you comfortable with Niniel's lynch over Seph's?

sounds like you explained the conundrum yourself.

 

 

I've explained the what but not the why.

[Clovdyx]

Oh, Dice is a lynch candidate? I've thought of him of town... I'll iso him too.

 

Why?  What has he done that's given you that impression?  

[Guest]

 

Oh, Dice is a lynch candidate? I've thought of him of town... I'll iso him too.

 

Why?  What has he done that's given you that impression?  

 

 

He just haven't done anything that pinged me as being scummy. *shrug* I've played with him a few times where he was town recently, and he hasn't (at least to me and my thoughts) really played differently.

 

I also really haven't been searching for anything with him, so I could have given him a "free pass" without realizing it. I'll let you know what I think asap (after iso).

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Oh, Dice is a lynch candidate? I've thought of him of town... I'll iso him too.

 

Why?  What has he done that's given you that impression?  

 

 

He just haven't done anything that pinged me as being scummy. *shrug* I've played with him a few times where he was town recently, and he hasn't (at least to me and my thoughts) really played differently.

 

I also really haven't been searching for anything with him, so I could have given him a "free pass" without realizing it. I'll let you know what I think asap (after iso).

 

 

If you can, talk to me after his ISO, and then check mine.

[dicetosser1]

Dice who did you feel worse about yesterday between Lenlo and Seph?

 

they both sucked. hence why i wanted to lynch both. the problem with lenlo and why i didnt vote him is that i was wondering if it was TOO crappy a move with all those not worth mentionings but then he compounded it with that lack of explanation of why zander and halli were town so there was NO WAY i was voting anyone else come morning

 

Yeah I coulda done that and let my vote go to waste and do bothin, like yours did. But then Wish might been lynched. Guess what? Seph was wolfier. So I voted the wolfier person to save the less wolfier person. Deal with it.

 

Really? Cause its all I've seen you say, Cept for how I'm somehow worin with the guy gunning for my head for the last week.

 

really? I did something with my vote and got someone i wanted lynched lynched and im not moaning cause i didnt have the guts to stand alonme and stubbornly push my view.

 

 

 

seph - circumstantial evidence

wish - very strategy oriented play

nin - lack of content

The case on Niniel Day 1, was the static reads and lack of original content

 

 

which boils down to  she was pretty inactive. a  rubbish reason to lynch D1

 

Lol I really need to read EOD1 properly

 

 

 

i want either len or seph lynched. the only possible saving grace for len is if all those "NOT WORTH MENTIONINGS" are too obvious to come from mafia.

 

 

 

seph started off kinda sussing me   i felt like he was thinking he could mislynch me later.  then suddenly i go from needing a handle to being above null

 

I think Darthe is making sense regarding seph and the halli stuff

 

 

vote seph

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Seph (5) - Darthe, Wistork, Lenlo, Besie, dice 

Niniel (3) - Hallia, Zander, Clov

Zander (1) - Niniel, 

Lenlo (1) - Sili

 

Not Voting (6) - BFG, Katiora, Lily, Lizabeth, Seph, alannalynn

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Niniel (4) - Hallia, Zander, Katiora, Lenlo

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov

Seph (3) - Darthe, Besie, dice,

Liz (1) - Seph

Wistork (1) - Sili

 

Not Voting (4) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, Wistork

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST

 

 

im goin back to bed then its 5am and i have a headache

 

back in an hr

 

 

 

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

His actions aren't making sense with his stated thoughts:

 

Reading his ISO I would have 'expected' a vote on Lenlo, especially given it was 10/11 hours before deadline and he was back on before end of day. He'd barely mentioned Seph prior to the vote and had made a few questioning Lenlo.

 

I don't think Dice believes that bussing is suddenly the most likely option to explain his thoughts on Chris/Lenlo

 

Dice can you explain why either of those things you voted Seph for was scummy?

 

He hasn't, for what it's worth, hit his most obvious mafia tell, but still looking pretty bad at this point

 

 

im well aware that you and clov and probably expected a vote on lenlo    guess what? i can have more then one thought at a time and may choose to go an unexpected direction.

 

I didnt like the baseless pushes at me that seph was doing from early game. he never followed them up. He said one thing then suddenly lists things completely differently. I actually thought Darthe had a good  argument about seph tho i notice noone is busting his balls for it.

 

and if you think im mafia then congratulations you finally read me wrong when u have isod me.

 

 

now im out for a while cause im actually pretty p'od and have edited myself already so im out before i get mkd. you wanna lynch me go right ahead and lynch another town

 

 

Nirvana VT

[wish-tree]

Lenlo town town town, frustration probably real. I think he genuinely believed at EOD that the arguments against stork and me were baseless, and yeah, the problem I primarily had with him was the shift between him reading us as slightly scummy to having no problems with our slot.

 

After ISO, it looks like a few important things should be noted: he became caught up in the argument with sili, got extremely frustrated and thought that sili was intending to shade him on purpose, so moved sili down in his town circle. Chris, you're right, in retrospect his move of sili out of his town core makes sense, even if it's slightly OMGUS.

 

What bothered me yesterday about the move was that Lenlo at one point thought that sili was still town and thought he could be wrong because he was blinded by their argument, but still persisted in the fight.

 

However, last night, after the Hallia and Sili spat, both Lenlo and Sili have calmed down and been more open to reason, which I think is good for both of them. I don't think that the Lenlo/sili or the Hallia/Sili fights could have ever been staged.

 

Lenlo's continued frustration with dice misrepping his arguments or thought processes also feels genuine to me.