[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

btw I make an associative read on page one, my tenth post in that was the scum team, nailed it

unfortunately I flipped flopped about a hundred times after, which is why the post I linked has the exact opposite associative read on it

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

Niniel up next

mostly think she's town already from Zander/seph, but apparently that's a BS reason and no one does unflipped associatives

seph · June 8, 2016

I didn't actually start out trying to go after seph.....I read his posts

Because I had him as an initial town read, I was more willing to excuse some of the things he'd done, but I am not seeing the same Seph that I was scum against during the Star Fox mash

so your telling me you were paying that much attention to my town play when you were scum? I highly doubt it, but anyways what exactly is different because I was vt in that game as well.

Of course I did, I had to hard defend you because I intended to pocket you, and not all the other townies were buying it.

here's a link to all seph's posts from that game:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/search.php?searchid=305883

hope you have an MU account because I'm not going to multiquote them here

In this game, you dropped off the fluff a lot sooner than you did in Star Fox. You came in kind of lost in Star Fox, which I get because you were unused to the atmosphere and not knowing anyone else there. You didn't use meta to read the people you knew there, and you made a lot of reads that weren't based off of tone or just meta.

I know what you are capable of as town seph, you questioned my progressions on peope near end game and had me really scared that you were going to flip on me and shoot me, but you were open to being persuaded and influenced by other people.

Here, you're very preset in your ideas of your reads, and not malleable. I don't see the same progressions that you demonstrated in Star Fox, and you're a lot less organic in your treatment of players and the thread itself.

ok so to the bold

1st part- I had no meta to read anyone besides shad and zander, and guess what I pegged there alignment almost as soon as I came in thread, and I actually posted about using meta on zander that game, so no you were not paying close attention. besides that there isn't anything here that should be more than null.

2nd part- You have no idea what I am capable of as town, you have specced one game, and wolfed against me in another. I have literally n0 peeked and held onto it in a game where there was no n0 peek as town. There are 3 or 4 people who have never read me wrong.

aj, cory, shad, and clov come to mind.

as town I enjoy being aggressive and being apart of the discussion, look at my scum games, I am slower paced and I try REALL REALLY hard to get folks to town read me. me being influenced is probably the only correct thing you have said about me tbh.

3 how in the hell are my reads preset. please please explain this, because I am about to vote here

Hallia · June 8, 2016

I could switch to Wistork. I'll be here for dl

Darthe · June 8, 2016

Why is seph cropping back up and not addressing his lynch here?

Reminder: he claimed vt and pulled some huge AtE then vanished

how have I vanished, are you reading the thread?

Last night you did, you gave damage control and bIled

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

I didn't actually start out trying to go after seph.....I read his posts

Because I had him as an initial town read, I was more willing to excuse some of the things he'd done, but I am not seeing the same Seph that I was scum against during the Star Fox mash

so your telling me you were paying that much attention to my town play when you were scum? I highly doubt it, but anyways what exactly is different because I was vt in that game as well.

Of course I did, I had to hard defend you because I intended to pocket you, and not all the other townies were buying it.

here's a link to all seph's posts from that game:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/search.php?searchid=305883

hope you have an MU account because I'm not going to multiquote them here

In this game, you dropped off the fluff a lot sooner than you did in Star Fox. You came in kind of lost in Star Fox, which I get because you were unused to the atmosphere and not knowing anyone else there. You didn't use meta to read the people you knew there, and you made a lot of reads that weren't based off of tone or just meta.

I know what you are capable of as town seph, you questioned my progressions on peope near end game and had me really scared that you were going to flip on me and shoot me, but you were open to being persuaded and influenced by other people.

Here, you're very preset in your ideas of your reads, and not malleable. I don't see the same progressions that you demonstrated in Star Fox, and you're a lot less organic in your treatment of players and the thread itself.

ok so to the bold

1st part- I had no meta to read anyone besides shad and zander, and guess what I pegged there alignment almost as soon as I came in thread, and I actually posted about using meta on zander that game, so no you were not paying close attention. besides that there isn't anything here that should be more than null.

2nd part- You have no idea what I am capable of as town, you have specced one game, and wolfed against me in another. I have literally n0 peeked and held onto it in a game where there was no n0 peek as town. There are 3 or 4 people who have never read me wrong.

aj, cory, shad, and clov come to mind.

as town I enjoy being aggressive and being apart of the discussion, look at my scum games, I am slower paced and I try REALL REALLY hard to get folks to town read me. me being influenced is probably the only correct thing you have said about me tbh.

3 how in the hell are my reads preset. please please explain this, because I am about to vote here

1) I did see your zander meta read, but what stood out to me the most was how you were able to back up your reads with NOT JUST META.

2) From the extent of that one game, yeah, you were intimidating, I didn't expect much of you at first when you came in because I had you in an instant pocket, but near the end of the game, yeah, you didn't need meta to read me or have the right idea about me.

3) I'm most concerned about your Hallia read. Your 3rd post was "Hallia is my town buddy" and you never ever questioned it. Even Darthe asked you about this, when you left out your apparent strongest beginning town read from a reads list, and said that she wasn't actually part of your town core, but rather than a town lean.

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

The only kind of treatment I'd ever expect in that regard would be a cop and his peek, but DM doesn't do n0 peeks if I'm not mistaken, and you claimed VT

Darthe · June 8, 2016

@ darthe I really don't have anything to address about my lynch, there isn't anything there really. I understand its d1, and most of the stuff is going to be nitpicky. but most of it is peoples interpretation of my post vs its meaning. I can sit here and argue with you if you want, but I have found it to be pretty pointless. or I can try to help solve the game, so If I do get lynched I can help the town in some way.

Fair enough. I think you're windy but I'm not gonna beat this dead horse anymore. People have the thread if they need convincing

Darthe · June 8, 2016

I could switch to Wistork. I'll be here for dl

Wheres your head irt clov?

seph · June 8, 2016

1) I did see your zander meta read, but what stood out to me the most was how you were able to back up your reads with NOT JUST META.

2) From the extent of that one game, yeah, you were intimidating, I didn't expect much of you at first when you came in because I had you in an instant pocket, but near the end of the game, yeah, you didn't need meta to read me or have the right idea about me.

3) I'm most concerned about your Hallia read. Your 3rd post was "Hallia is my town buddy" and you never ever questioned it. Even Darthe asked you about this, when you left out your apparent strongest beginning town read from a reads list, and said that she wasn't actually part of your town core, but rather than a town lean.

ok first off the star wars game is much different, you had wolves outing yourself so It made the game much easier to piece together, it wasn't a typical game.

yup because I though she had a very high probability to be town that early on, she never gave me 1 reason to question it. she has been towny all game imo. ROFL at this dumb ass argument. I left her out by accident and posted literally minutes after to let people know

Sili Quirrels · June 8, 2016

@ darthe I really don't have anything to address about my lynch, there isn't anything there really. I understand its d1, and most of the stuff is going to be nitpicky. but most of it is peoples interpretation of my post vs its meaning. I can sit here and argue with you if you want, but I have found it to be pretty pointless. or I can try to help solve the game, so If I do get lynched I can help the town in some way.

Fair enough. I think you're windy but I'm not gonna beat this dead horse anymore. People have the thread if they need convincing

that was what lenlo's response should have been. ...

Hallia · June 8, 2016

I could switch to Wistork. I'll be here for dl
Wheres your head irt clov?

Town.

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

Yeah, people have been saying Hallia has been towny all game but the only thing that I've really noticed about her is how excited she seems to be, and how many people are defending her

Sili Quirrels · June 8, 2016

seph y u put down hallia as slight town and not full town?

small thing. important distinction though. humor me.

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

LOL

the town game of Lenlo's I'm reading atm's title is has "Sili, SK wins!" in the title

Zander? · June 8, 2016

I'm on my phone. So no.

Did you find one yet Lainey?

seph · June 8, 2016

Lissa/JTM possible

Lissa/Phighter nah from Lissa's side, but Phighter/Lissa more likely idk if this makes sense

Lissa/Kaze prob nah

Kaze/Phighter prob nah

JTM/Kaze possible

alright here we have the association reads offsite that lenbot linked us. it talks about if people could be w/w etc. This makes sense, I think if this person is a wolf, then this person likely is not a wolf.

now here is her so called association read

I can actually see seph/Zander now, which means Niniel is probably town

This is not a association read, she is clearly calling niniel town based off me and zander, whom she should have no idea what our alignments are.

Then shortly after she posts this assosiationg read

some more associations

Lenlo/seph w/w - probably not

seph/Zander w/w - possible

seph/Niniel w/w - nope

Niniel/Zander w/w - unlikely from Niniel's side b/c of , but Zander/Niniel w/w - more possible b/c of Zander's tendency to hard bus

now this unlike the niniel read off of me and zander makes sense. hint one of these is not like the other
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[v] wishstork[/v]
below is the full back and fourth between us

I can actually see seph/Zander now, which means Niniel is probably town

I can actually see seph/Zander now, which means Niniel is probably town

you probably shouldn't link people like this before there is a actual flip, like the bold in particular. All it is going to do is skew your reads based off information you do not have. I should know I did this a few games ago and it screwed everything up.
it is interesting to note that you think niniel is probably town based off me and zanders play, but not niniels

Im confused on how you town read someone off of two alignments you actually have no idea about.
seems like she is trying to find a reason to actually read niniel town.

It's a associative read, wherein I think it's verryyyy veryyyy likely that someone does not treat their scum partner in a certain way.

Or, if it's very likely that two people are scum and the third person they are pushing or who is pushing against them is then town.

I understand that, but with niniel on the block here it makes more of a difference. You are town reading her solely based off of me and zanders play, which is pretty terrible since I know I am town, and I feel very strongly that zander is town

some more associations

Lenlo/seph w/w - probably not

seph/Zander w/w - possible

seph/Niniel w/w - nope

Niniel/Zander w/w - unlikely from Niniel's side b/c of , but Zander/Niniel w/w - more possible b/c of Zander's tendency to hard bus

Im confused on how you town read someone off of two alignments you actually have no idea about.
seems like she is trying to find a reason to actually read niniel town.

It's a associative read, wherein I think it's verryyyy veryyyy likely that someone does not treat their scum partner in a certain way.

Or, if it's very likely that two people are scum and the third person they are pushing or who is pushing against them is then town.

I understand that, but with niniel on the block here it makes more of a difference. You are town reading her solely based off of me and zanders play, which is pretty terrible since I know I am town, and I feel very strongly that zander is town

I'm not sure if you get what unflipped associatives are, but essentially, without having read other peoples' stuff, I'm making comments on what I think is likely based off of that. Does that make sense?

I'm focused on you right now, not niniel, but if I go through and draw out potential connections, when I get to her ISO, then I'll be able to make sense of it.

I'm not sure if you understand, seph, but I'm NOT giving niniel a pass because of you and Zander.

I haven't read anything from her besides the stuff that you posted about her

Im confused on how you town read someone off of two alignments you actually have no idea about.
seems like she is trying to find a reason to actually read niniel town.

It's a associative read, wherein I think it's verryyyy veryyyy likely that someone does not treat their scum partner in a certain way.

Or, if it's very likely that two people are scum and the third person they are pushing or who is pushing against them is then town.

I understand that, but with niniel on the block here it makes more of a difference. You are town reading her solely based off of me and zanders play, which is pretty terrible since I know I am town, and I feel very strongly that zander is town

I'm not sure if you get what unflipped associatives are, but essentially, without having read other peoples' stuff, I'm making comments on what I think is likely based off of that. Does that make sense?

I'm focused on you right now, not niniel, but if I go through and draw out potential connections, when I get to her ISO, then I'll be able to make sense of it.

I do understand, but you literally call niniel TOWN based off me and zanders play, am i wrong?
below are some association reads, when you call me and z possible w/w.

but the niniel read you clearly call her town from basing a read off me and zander, which you have no idea how either of us should flip. so how does that make niniel probably town

I can actually see seph/Zander now, which means Niniel is probably town

Hallia · June 8, 2016

Yeah, people have been saying Hallia has been towny all game but the only thing that I've really noticed about her is how excited she seems to be, and how many people are defending her

Play a few games with me :)

Sili Quirrels · June 8, 2016

humor me pls

Darthe · June 8, 2016

How talented is wish?

Zander? · June 8, 2016

So I went ahead and iso'd Niniel.

Her post #428 she admits to wanting to sheep which feels like she not wanting to make her own reads. She further agrees with the opinions of others without making her own as yet. I know she's responded to people questioning this (#434 - response to BFG), but it doesn't change the original feel.

She confuses someone somewhere. I've read this but I didn't follow at all. It's odd. She wasn't very active so she could have lost track of her thoughts. She could also have lost track of her thoughts. The former as town. The latter as scum. Not alignment indicative to me.

She further replied to the first mentioned post in #631... and then starts sounding repetitive in #655 about BFG. She sounds like she's accusing - which I don't like 'cause there's so little posts before that where she's actually posting her own opinion and her own thoughts.

I like her post #1048. She starts saying what she thinks. She later shares her thoughts on everyone - but was it before or after people started voting her?

Not much to iso. And I'm actually still uncertain about her. If I have to place her on a spectrum she'd be more red than green - only because I think she only started being active or actively sharing her thoughts after people starting saying she was scummy. Am I wrong?

IN the post you like where she starts giving some thoughts, theyre mostly vague thoughts or stuff people have already mentioned.

Does this color your view of her any differently?

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

seph

the only thing different I left out of yesterday's read was w/w

I meant the same thing.... that's a super weak reason

what?

seph · June 8, 2016

seph y u put down hallia as slight town and not full town?

small thing. important distinction though. humor me.

easy it was early. I was trusting of her, but I still wanted to see more out of her. I was curious to see if she would slack off any because that is what scum hallia does. I also think she has a hard time coming back itt as a wolf

keyholder21 · June 8, 2016

Official Vote Count:

Niniel (4) - Hallia, Zander, Katiora, Lenlo

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov

Seph (3) - Darthe, Besie, dice,

Wistork (2) - Sili, Seph

Not Voting (4) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, Wistork

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST

wish-tree · June 8, 2016

I can actually see seph/Zander now, which means Niniel is probably town << that was me saying that you guys were likely w/w

and that Niniel wasn't w/w with either of you b/c of how you guys treated her

????????

[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

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