[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Lenlo]

Can't decide if this removes the idea of them being teammates (bes and Celeste)

 

It would be a weird time to bus

One of them was getting lynched, no questions.

[Zander?]

And where was Darthe?

 

Ya I asked this.

[Eldrick4221]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Turin (1) - Darthe

Besie (6) - Turin, Lenlo, Eldrick, seph, Celeste, Shad

Celeste (5) - Thane, Zander, Sili, Besie, Dice

 

 

 

Time's up! That's a lynch!

 

(I do not count votes coming in after the timer runs out. Shad's change was too late.)

Sucks for us if Celeste is scum and bes is town. But it's your call, and good to know for the future.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Can't decide if this removes the idea of them being teammates (bes and Celeste)

 

It would be a weird time to bus

One of them was getting lynched, no questions.

Not doubting that, but both?

[Eldrick4221]

Gonna go finish catching up now.

[Guest]

well one of them must be a wolf and i'm obviously not a wolf because i basically fought for both their lynches therefore i am confirmed town.

*frown*

[Turin Turambar]

The votes are wifom. Hopefully we caught a wolf.

 

Dice was sketchy as heck there tho. He basically avoided the Celeste/Bes situation to talk about Seph and me.

 

And then just sheeped his vote. Again.

[Eldrick4221]

Blah. I don't even remember where I left off at

[Eldrick4221]

Can someone quote for me Turin's case on besie, or give me a page number?

 

That's the last thing I remember reading.

[Turin Turambar]

I think around 105

[Eldrick4221]

The part where he went through her iso, pointed out that she townread Celeste, but didn't defend her from seph.

[Eldrick4221]

Close enough. Thank you.

[Turin Turambar]

It is all pretty much together. But she defends Celeste while having her as null.

[Sooh]

A new morning hit the camp, and the news of the deaths saddened them all.  It also made it clear that there were people with malicious intent in their midst, and they would now have to take every precaution necessary in order to find the culprit. 

 

They began questioning each other. Cautiously at first. Almost nobody was exempt from the prying eyes of their fellow survivors.  It soon became clear that two were under more heavy suspicion than others, and the survivors gathered around them to cast their votes.

 

Sun was one of the people who was being suspected. Why she could not understand. Her limited knowledge of English made it hard to distinguish why her responses to their questions were regarded as more suspicious than other people's responses.

 

No matter her protests the votes did not go in her favor. They dug a hole in the ground and placed her there. Little did they know that poisonous gas was going to flow up from the ground and kill her.

 

 

Besie has been lynched. She was Sun Hwa-Kwon, vanilla town.

 

 

Can everyone give me their preference as to if they want to stick to a strict 24 hour night, or if I should process and start day as soon as all orders are in? I won't make changes until I have votes from everyone.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

well one of them must be a wolf and i'm obviously not a wolf because i basically fought for both their lynches therefore i am confirmed town.

*frown*

 

lolol

[Eldrick4221]

 

I focused on you, Turin, because you brought up the sk concept d1, and then there were 2 kills.

 

That's why you being involved in one of the kills has a higher probability in my mind than everyone else that mentioned Kivam being the more likely mafia kill. That's why I am sussing you over it and not other people.

Are you not paying attention to the game, or do you just think the town would dismiss this as twtbaw?

I'm not sure why it's being dismissed, but I am starting to think I'm wrong.

[Sili Quirrels]

:dry: ....

[Sili Quirrels]

looks like i was right to vote celeste.

[seph]

ok i give up.
 

[Guest]

Thanks, Sooh. Very fitting character, imo.

 

My first town game. Thanks guys.

 

A last piece of "I told you so":

 

 

 

 

bessie was one of the main proponents of people grouping, so that's ironic. what were her reads of hallia and kiv, and was her intent to rng between them?

I had both scummy. But I've a feeling that this

 

 

a 15 player game lol, and was it a 3-3 wagon between kivam and hallia? how was the lynch decided? if it was rng kivam is probably town all considered.

 might be true.

 

 

 

 

 

People who never expressed interest in voting Kiv, like me and Turin, did not cause Hallias lynch. Thats like saying the doc caused the NK because the protected the wrong person.

 

No, of the people on Hallias train I dare say Besie is one of the most accountable as she had been voting Kiv, had secured Kivs lynch effectively, but then said no.

You could have moved your votes.

 

Im not saying that you are but this line of reasoning we can argue balls and strikes over all day,

Could have, but I made it very clear I wasnt voting Kiv. Made that clear hours before hand. No one could reasonably expect me to move. Besie though had been voting him for hours. 10 seconds before deadline? Unvote go random. Its not just the unvote Z its the timing.

Sure. Blame me for Hallia's VT flip.

 

I trusted her VT claim. Are hou ignoring Kiv's? Do you think he's lying?

You trusted Her VT claim? So you unvote Kiv? Or are you saying to trusted Kivs claim, which was an expected claim btw I dont know why you believe it when its something you should have been expecting him to say the entire time he was being run up.

I dont understand why a VT claim is so easy for you to just trust. You went from lynching him to trusting him completely in 1 second flat.

This.

 

I don't get at all how you went from sussing people to trusting them from a VT claim, the most common fake claim by far.

Probably inexperience.

 

 

Besie was sussing Kivam. I think she was also sussing hally.

 

She was advocating consolidating on whoever was mentioned the most in wtl (Kivam) to avoid random.

 

Hally and Kivam both claimed vt.

 

Besie stopped sussing both of them because of the vt claims.

 

Seconds before eod, she moves off of Kivam, putting him and hally at a tie for the lead, and onto Turin, who didn't have time to happen.

 

If besie is scum, Kivam probably isn't, and turin could be.

 

good prognosis eldrick.

Agreed, but I'm town. What will that mean to you?

 

 

 

 

He isn't. Who's the other mason?

Thane

I'm cool with that.

 

One of Bessie or Zander is probably a wolf this game btw.  The thing Bessie did at EoD is directly anti-town and her post about affecting her town game to be like her wolf game is actively memorable to me. 

 

Yes... I thought we'd sorted this out beginning D1. I know how to wolf. I've only wolved up till now. I'm not sure how to town. Apparently, it kinda sucks.

 

Zander knows what I'm like as wolf - he's been there everytime. He has more experience than any of you to know the difference when he sees it.

 

I am town. Imo I prolly won't be NK'd by the scum cause I'm an easy lynch. I might be vigged, if there's one out there that thinks I am scum (you'd be wrong).

 

[Zander?]

 

A new morning hit the camp, and the news of the deaths saddened them all.  It also made it clear that there were people with malicious intent in their midst, and they would now have to take every precaution necessary in order to find the culprit. 

 

They began questioning each other. Cautiously at first. Almost nobody was exempt from the prying eyes of their fellow survivors.  It soon became clear that two were under more heavy suspicion than others, and the survivors gathered around them to cast their votes.

 

Sun was one of the people who was being suspected. Why she could not understand. Her limited knowledge of English made it hard to distinguish why her responses to their questions were regarded as more suspicious than other people's responses.

 

No matter her protests the votes did not go in her favor. They dug a hole in the ground and placed her there. Little did they know that poisonous gas was going to flow up from the ground and kill her.

 

 

Besie has been lynched. She was Sun Hwa-Kwon, vanilla town.

 

 

Can everyone give me their preference as to if they want to stick to a strict 24 hour night, or if I should process and start day as soon as all orders are in? I won't make changes until I have votes from everyone.

 

 

Awful

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

I just skimmed to catch up. nothing I saw has changed my mind on the lynch.

sorry shad Ill answer anything you need but I lost alot of wim after hallia, and I am currently just not in a good mood.

You made a huge flipflop of never lynching Besie vote!Turin to rolling with Turin on a Besie lynch and it wasn't really clear to me why.

 

You posted a suspect list that didn't seem to make much sense and atm I'm not going to dig it up for the specifics but you should be able to give me a more detailed breakdown of who and why now anyway.

 

You were kind of pop-in-ish and didn't make much sense to me in general and it seemed alarming because I felt like you were super into the game D1.

 

I remember in ToS you continued to dominate the thread even when it was fairly likely town had already mechanically lost.

 

It just feels generally odd and I don't want to end up mislynching you down the line if you're a villa.

I agree with most of this post. Had 80% the same thoughts. I just can't really see him being town anymore.

 

How will it affect your judgement of him if I flip town?

 

To clarify, if turin flips/is peeked wolf, I will admit I am most likely wrong on Besie being wolf

Sorry, what? I'm a bit surprised, tbqh. And how will your Turin thoughts be effected if I flip town?

 

 

 

 

Seems to me Zander is doing it for her.

Quite a gambit, considering he got shot.

I dont think it's a gambit. I think he really has no skill for shedding his outside the game bias of her. Some folks do that stuff.

This was about Besie, not Zander. /shrug

So with these posts, you say Zander got shot. There's 4 options that can see:

 

1. In the world where I am scum - why would I ever shoot (NK) Zander? He was the person top town reading me.

2. In the world where I am scum -someone else might have vigged him - and I don't see why, unless they were certain that I was scum, and made him scum by association. We'll have to go see who had me as scum before end N1 to identify if there was someone. There was quite a few votes on me, but it'll be interesting to see how many of them were solid, consistently, scum reading me.

3. In the world where I am town - the scum could have shot Zander because he is the person that wasn't even a doubt of being town on most minds. He was the only one that had me as solid town read. When someone said "the scum usually want the town to remain dead" - this made sense to me. Cause if the latter reason is the right one (or at least part of the reason), then him subbing in is quite an annoyance.

4. In the world where I am town - Zander was vigged. This, I don't get at all. He wasn't thought to be scum.

 

So. Considering that I actually am town this game, and #4 does not make sense at all, it's safe for me to assume that #3 is the most likely to have occurred. Most. Likely.

 

I think Kivam might have been killed because of his claim. Zander is the kill I don't understand.

Agreed with the latter.

 

it's a lot easier to be confident in a train when the subject of the train isn't around to act emotional and confuse me.

Who are you talking about here?

 

 

Moot point now, cuz she has been lynched, but I noticed her say "if I flip town" not "when I flip town" a lot here.

[Sili Quirrels]

it was just that you got to accoutn for her being a new player so i voted celeste. partly because i realized what was holding me to celeste was concern i was overthinking it.

[Lenlo]

 

 

A new morning hit the camp, and the news of the deaths saddened them all.  It also made it clear that there were people with malicious intent in their midst, and they would now have to take every precaution necessary in order to find the culprit. 

 

They began questioning each other. Cautiously at first. Almost nobody was exempt from the prying eyes of their fellow survivors.  It soon became clear that two were under more heavy suspicion than others, and the survivors gathered around them to cast their votes.

 

Sun was one of the people who was being suspected. Why she could not understand. Her limited knowledge of English made it hard to distinguish why her responses to their questions were regarded as more suspicious than other people's responses.

 

No matter her protests the votes did not go in her favor. They dug a hole in the ground and placed her there. Little did they know that poisonous gas was going to flow up from the ground and kill her.

 

 

Besie has been lynched. She was Sun Hwa-Kwon, vanilla town.

 

 

Can everyone give me their preference as to if they want to stick to a strict 24 hour night, or if I should process and start day as soon as all orders are in? I won't make changes until I have votes from everyone.

 

 

Awful

 

Oh shush. All you did was hardline defend her when she was actually quite wolfy. I will stand by that until the end of time.

 

Celeste is the menu for tomorrow.

[Sili Quirrels]

i forgive shad.