[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Sooh]

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

 

 

 

 

OMGUS much?

 

No Im not me as Ive stated before game and everyone knows Im adjusting my game this time and I feel Town!Sooh would be more understanding of that.

 

Please show me where Ive been hostile please?

 

Elaborate on my Tone?  If im not playing at all like I normally do how could my tone really be anything but null?

 

And I do know a few big words, you were one of the people telling me I need to explain things better hence what I'm trying to.

 

*snip*

 

No, actually that's not OMGUS. That is my case on you, laid out as it is. 

As town you have a clear and distinct way of handling yourself which I don't see in any way, shape or form in this game. This resembles to me more the tone you had in your early scum games. That's how it is different from null. As it stands you are my scummiest lead this game, and that's where I want my vote. I could of course have gone for Pral, but that WOULD have been OMGUS. I'm still watching you, and as you know, I am capable of changing my reads as the game goes on. Nothing so far has made me come to that conclusion though. 

 

If you want examples of hostile tone, or what I perceive as that, you're going to have to wait a little, and I'll get back to you asap. 

 

*snip*

 

"Sooh is sick, but I expect her to always and in every game be acting the same as she did last time she was town" - What?

"She has a null stance on Eldrick" - After about six hours of D1 I had a null stance on a guy who arguably plays strangely and is often mislynched for being odd. That's really scummy. 

 

Are you for real Zan?

 

 

Yes I except people to exhibit their normal Town Meta when they Rand Town.  Thats a pretty basic concept for me as a Meta/Gut read player isn't?

 

The read about you having Eld Null came from the fact both of you are my top Scum reads atp.

 

*snip*

 

Except since when do I have a normal Town Meta? I feel like I'm doing things differently every game, but I suppose I'm not completely doing that since people still can read me. I have never been able to affect my meta. I play the way I play, so either you'll have to adjust your meta, or as scum you're trying to pin me on a meta-case. Whichever it is, I wish you good luck with that. 

 

*snip*

 

I may have explained it in a bad way. Like, I was thinking that IF BG is that type of scum when he is scum he might latch on to that and just never let it go, no matter what I said or did to explain myself. It's possible that tunnel is the wrong word, but sustained suspicion maybe? 

 

 

So you just assume everyone does it like i do?  Very strange assumption coming from you concerning a player youve never played with before

*snip*

No, I assume IF he does like you do I could call him on it. Playing with new players is playing with testing the waters. Sometimes a test works, sometimes it doesn't and you get a false result. I'm not locking a read on BG, but he did fairly well with that reaction test IMO. (all of this is in my previous post btw)

[Eldrick4221]

I am not fond of this group of posts.

 

Yeah I have nothing to say about that really Turin.

I mean if you think you got the game solved in 16 pages I'd suggest maybe you might be overestimating your abilities just a little bit.

I have nothing to do with either Alanna or Lily except for the fact that I've voted them and I think my votes were both reasonable by the way.

Gonna come back to this should you flip scum.

Here it looks like you are chastising Nolder for in effect poo-pooing my thoughts about possible teammates.

And probably look at Turin closer should 2 of you flip town. Having a solve already is highly unlikely, and presenting it seems like a scummy misleading thing to do. I would expect scum to list 1 of their teammates in a solve, which is why I say 2 of 3.

Then saying that my putting out my thoughts is misleading and mafia-like. seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth here.

I don't have a feel one way or the other. I would look into it should he flip, cuz I would expect one to be there. Not enough information yet.

not even a lean about where to go after a hypothetical nolder mafia flip.

 

BTW, which part of possible wasn't clear?

Nothing is unclear about it. You wouldn't say you knew if you did. It's always speculative. Point of the matter is you are already trying to tie 3 people together.

Again back to me being bad for saying what I think. okay. This guessing game is one of connections, at least to me. I'm just gonna say what I think this game.

Not chastising nolder. Noting the post for reference should he flip scum. After I posted it, I considered the outcome should he flip town, and you looked bad then. So I said as much.

 

And I'm not saying you're bad for saying what you think. I'm just wary of you trying to connect people already.

[Eldrick4221]

As for not having a feel for the hypothetical nolder flip. I just dont. There isn't enough info yet, and it would depend partly on who voted him.

[Zander?]

Yeah I have nothing to say about that really Turin.

I mean if you think you got the game solved in 16 pages I'd suggest maybe you might be overestimating your abilities just a little bit.

I have nothing to do with either Alanna or Lily except for the fact that I've voted them and I think my votes were both reasonable by the way.

 

Is this humor? Cause if so its a feeling I enjoyed as I read this.

 

I'm having to deal with an issue with my dog. I'll catch up once I'm back home from the vet.

 

Hope all is well Nyn and look forward to your thoughts.

 

 

Nolder, What do you think about Pral   Zander?

 

Eldrick, So if Nolder should flip mafia who would you think was more likely mafia? Me, Alanna, or Pral?

I think he needs to post more.

Like always. :/

 

 

FTFM

 

 

BTW, which part of possible wasn't clear?

Nothing is unclear about it. You wouldn't say you knew if you did. It's always speculative. Point of the matter is you are already trying to tie 3 people together.

 

 

Is tying people together alignment indicative of people for you this early Eld?

[LilyElizabeth]

 

 

 

Turin, thoughts on Pral?

Only 3 posts that I sort of just glossed over. Looking back at the content I am a little concerned. He named nearly half the game saying there was a baddie in the group. Random says that most.likely correct. I disagree with the vote on Sooh. I think from what he posted Nol or Lily would be a more appropriate vote. He seems to.be voting Sooh for bad play rather than mafia play.

 

Maybe I am reading that wrong but it leads me to see a possible Nolder, Alanna, Pral team. Which would mean I am wrong about Thane.

Can you expand on what you're seeing connects Pral to myself and Lily? I'm not understanding that.

It was Alanna I see you and Pral possibly working with. You both seem to have mentioned some things about her and/or put her in your wtl pile but are pointing away from her.

 

It gives me the feel of soft distancing While defending. Nolder, you went for Lily once she voted Alanna but removed your vote from her directly after she unvoted Alanna. Pral voted Sooh (wrongly IMO) for "dragging Alanna into the thing with Z, lily and you". I don't recall that happening. Maybe Pral can explain and/or show where that happened.

 

Bolded I didn't notice at the time. Good catch. 

 

I'm catching up but about to get company. Then I'm out this afternoon. I'll try to catch up more later. 

[Pralaya]

I dragged Laine into something? Where? Show me please.

This is what I am talking about

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/page-7#entry3604557 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

[Eldrick4221]

@Zander. Who you're currently voting doesn't change the fact that I am your other top scum, and you could easily switch to me. You are pointing out stuff about me as much as you are sooh.

[Pralaya]

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

[Pralaya]

That said, you do gauge them on how they play - like how they vote, how push, how they make their cases etc. Gameplay actions is the best indicator of that.

[Turin Turambar]

Z, this is Pral's post. 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

 

Nolder actually did vote Alanna but then switched to Lily when she also voted Alanna. Then he unvoted Lily immediately after Lily unvoted Alanna.

[Eldrick4221]

Accidently erased the quote tag this was Zander:

Is tying people together alignment indicative of people for you this early Eld?

Only slightly. Being mafia know who town is, they have more liberty to do something like this.

[Sooh]

 

I dragged Laine into something? Where? Show me please.

This is what I am talking about

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/page-7?do=findComment&comment=3604557 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

I "dragged Laine in" by pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in Lily's play. I found it weird how she would go from voting Zander to voting somebody who was pushing Zander. I actually find that that might suggest that Laine isn't partnered with any of the two, rather than dragging her into something. It was Lily's actions I was talking about, in regards to Laine. 

 

Lmk if I need to explain this further.

 

As for reactions. I have later explained what I found after the test. Sometimes, when you do make a test like that, you don't know what you're looking for until you see it. I can't possibly know how anyone will react to pressure, but I can judge based on their reactions what I think their likely motivation is. 

 

So, no, I can't give you a list of do's and don't's with regards to reaction tests. All I can say is how I interpret their choice of actions after the fact.

[Sooh]

Oh come on DM! Don't eat my response!

[Sooh]

My response to # 331 which seemed to break my post when I quoted it:

 

I "dragged Laine in" by pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in Lily's play. I found it weird how she would go from voting Zander to voting somebody who was pushing Zander. I actually find that that might suggest that Laine isn't partnered with any of the two, rather than dragging her into something. It was Lily's actions I was talking about, in regards to Laine. 

 

Lmk if I need to explain this further.

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

As for reactions. I have later explained what I found after the test. Sometimes, when you do make a test like that, you don't know what you're looking for until you see it. I can't possibly know how anyone will react to pressure, but I can judge based on their reactions what I think their likely motivation is. 

 

So, no, I can't give you a list of do's and don't's with regards to reaction tests. All I can say is how I interpret their choice of actions after the fact.

[Eldrick4221]

Z, this is Pral's post.

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

Nolder actually did vote Alanna but then switched to Lily when she also voted Alanna. Then he unvoted Lily immediately after Lily unvoted Alanna.

This is where you got your link from, isn't it? It actually makes sense, and I feel bad about sussing you for it. I didn't catch the interaction on my read through.

 

It's highly unlikely that that is the team, and they outed themselves like that, though.

 

It is a weird series of events though, and I'd like to thank you for bringing my attention to it.

[Turin Turambar]

I say I have to agree more with Sooh about the "dragging Alanna into it" thing.

 

Z, did you get a chance to answer my questions about your soft claim? I may have missed it if you did.  

[Zander?]

 

No, actually that's not OMGUS. That is my case on you, laid out as it is. 

 

As town you have a clear and distinct way of handling yourself which I don't see in any way, shape or form in this game. This resembles to me more the tone you had in your early scum games. That's how it is different from null. As it stands you are my scummiest lead this game, and that's where I want my vote. I could of course have gone for Pral, but that WOULD have been OMGUS. I'm still watching you, and as you know, I am capable of changing my reads as the game goes on. Nothing so far has made me come to that conclusion though. 

 

If you want examples of hostile tone, or what I perceive as that, you're going to have to wait a little, and I'll get back to you asap. 

 

 

It really is tho because your case on me has no real merit.

 

You know I'm playing differently, I stated this before the game started and you also know I have Cory reprogramming me.  So my tone would be null at best.  The fact youre trying to compare my tone to my earlier scum game is completely incorret as in my early Scum games my Tone was the same as Town hence why people had a hard time reading me early.

 

And yes I want examples cause right now your case is lacking any substance.

 

 

 

Yes I except people to exhibit their normal Town Meta when they Rand Town.  Thats a pretty basic concept for me as a Meta/Gut read player isn't?

 

The read about you having Eld Null came from the fact both of you are my top Scum reads atp.

 

*snip*

 

Except since when do I have a normal Town Meta? I feel like I'm doing things differently every game, but I suppose I'm not completely doing that since people still can read me. I have never been able to affect my meta. I play the way I play, so either you'll have to adjust your meta, or as scum you're trying to pin me on a meta-case. Whichever it is, I wish you good luck with that. 

 

 

WE and Clov's exhibited your Town game quite nicely imo.  I also know that as Scum you'll use whatever you have at your disposal ie: AtE and the such like you admitted to using in Skype chat after you were recruited.

 

Also worth noting I read you right in both of those games and I even called your recruitment right away.  I feel like I am getting better at reading the Sooh.

 

 

 

So you just assume everyone does it like i do?  Very strange assumption coming from you concerning a player youve never played with before

*snip*

No, I assume IF he does like you do I could call him on it. Playing with new players is playing with testing the waters. Sometimes a test works, sometimes it doesn't and you get a false result. I'm not locking a read on BG, but he did fairly well with that reaction test IMO. (all of this is in my previous post btw)

 

 

But why make that comment, he hadnt done anything to merit that sort of assumption.

 

It's like youre TRYING to find reasons to make cases and that kinda stuff comes from Scum who know they need to, instead of Town where it comes off more authentic.

 

I hope you can try and see where I'm coming from.

[Turin Turambar]

Eldrick...

 

[Zander?]

 

I dragged Laine into something? Where? Show me please.

This is what I am talking about

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/page-7#entry3604557 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

Nice catch

 

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

 

That said, you do gauge them on how they play - like how they vote, how push, how they make their cases etc. Gameplay actions is the best indicator of that.

 

Fwiw- Im liking Pral's post better.  Not just cause he's sussing Sooh but he's making good points and observations

 

Z, this is Pral's post. 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

 

Nolder actually did vote Alanna but then switched to Lily when she also voted Alanna. Then he unvoted Lily immediately after Lily unvoted Alanna.

 

Ok thank you

 

Accidently erased the quote tag this was Zander:

Is tying people together alignment indicative of people for you this early Eld?

Only slightly. Being mafia know who town is, they have more liberty to do something like this.

 

 

Fair enough.

[Sooh]

 

No, actually that's not OMGUS. That is my case on you, laid out as it is. 

 

As town you have a clear and distinct way of handling yourself which I don't see in any way, shape or form in this game. This resembles to me more the tone you had in your early scum games. That's how it is different from null. As it stands you are my scummiest lead this game, and that's where I want my vote. I could of course have gone for Pral, but that WOULD have been OMGUS. I'm still watching you, and as you know, I am capable of changing my reads as the game goes on. Nothing so far has made me come to that conclusion though. 

 

If you want examples of hostile tone, or what I perceive as that, you're going to have to wait a little, and I'll get back to you asap.

 

It really is tho because your case on me has no real merit.

 

You know I'm playing differently, I stated this before the game started and you also know I have Cory reprogramming me.  So my tone would be null at best.  The fact youre trying to compare my tone to my earlier scum game is completely incorret as in my early Scum games my Tone was the same as Town hence why people had a hard time reading me early.

 

And yes I want examples cause right now your case is lacking any substance.

 

 

 

Yes I except people to exhibit their normal Town Meta when they Rand Town.  Thats a pretty basic concept for me as a Meta/Gut read player isn't?

 

The read about you having Eld Null came from the fact both of you are my top Scum reads atp.

 

*snip*

Except since when do I have a normal Town Meta? I feel like I'm doing things differently every game, but I suppose I'm not completely doing that since people still can read me. I have never been able to affect my meta. I play the way I play, so either you'll have to adjust your meta, or as scum you're trying to pin me on a meta-case. Whichever it is, I wish you good luck with that.

 

 

WE and Clov's exhibited your Town game quite nicely imo.  I also know that as Scum you'll use whatever you have at your disposal ie: AtE and the such like you admitted to using in Skype chat after you were recruited.

 

Also worth noting I read you right in both of those games and I even called your recruitment right away.  I feel like I am getting better at reading the Sooh.

 

 

 

So you just assume everyone does it like i do?  Very strange assumption coming from you concerning a player youve never played with before

*snip*

No, I assume IF he does like you do I could call him on it. Playing with new players is playing with testing the waters. Sometimes a test works, sometimes it doesn't and you get a false result. I'm not locking a read on BG, but he did fairly well with that reaction test IMO. (all of this is in my previous post btw)

 

 

But why make that comment, he hadnt done anything to merit that sort of assumption.

 

It's like youre TRYING to find reasons to make cases and that kinda stuff comes from Scum who know they need to, instead of Town where it comes off more authentic.

 

I hope you can try and see where I'm coming from.

 

I'll grab links later. Also, like I said, I'm working on reading you, and right now it's not coming up favorably for you.

 

You HAVE been doing better with reading me, most definitely so, which is also in part why you're suspicious to me this game.

 

And yes, BG WAS a victim of opportunity, but I also needed some sort of read on him, and provoking a reaction isn't necessarily the worst way of doing so.

 

I don't need specific reasons for everything I do in a mafia game. Sometimes a reaction is just that, a reaction to something that happened. A spur of the moment thing.

 

(FTR: My case on you has no merit because I'm going after your meta? What are you doing to me?)

[Sooh]

That Pral post is broken btw. Any attempt of linking it will ruin your post.

[bgrishinko]

First off, the clef avatars are getting out of control. I love it.

@BFG #226

Somehow I missed Thane's response there about the voting.

Can't tell if Thane is joking or not in his response. Votes in day 1, especially first votes, are always a stretch or prod or a calculated strategy to gain information. Or a joke/sign of welcoming/goodwill what have you as Sooh said her vote on me was initially. So calling it insanity is either Thane joking around a litte, or trying to disparage the current voting methods/record. He doesn't look like he's joking in his response so it doesn't sit as a generally town thing to say at the moment, but I'd need to re-read those 2-3 pages in context to get a better idea why he might say that. 

Concerning Zander vote, Not sure what doesn't follow to you. I saw the claim hint so I was quiet about it. As I previously mentioned, once Turin brought it up into the spotlight I figured we better address it head on, therefore I made my prodding vote as early soft claims are suspicious in general to me. Good to know a little Zander meta. Some people like to role claim as early as possible every game. Led to rules in many games about having to wait 3-4 game days or near hammer to claim, it was ridiculous for a while.
 

 

...
 
I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 
 
@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.
 
I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 
So you dont believe I could be doing the same thing? 
 
You also said you were waiting for me to make a big deal about then when I still don't you vote me for it??
 
This reads pretty strangely to me.

 

Misrepresented: First in blue: I felt that Zander had cherry picked the fact that I mentioned he might make a big deal out of it and ignored the rest of the sentence in which I wondered whether he'd bring it up again. In green, then he asserts I voted him BECAUSE he didn't make a big deal out of it. I voted because it is fishy when people hint big claims too early especially when fake claims are in play. This is true regardless of whether he reacted or not. I just made my suspicion known publicly once it got brought into the lime light by Turin. Re-reading why I typed though I can understand the confusion as I don't think I conveyed that reason super clear. It does kind of look like the blue could have been the reason for the vote. So I retract the fact you misrepresented me. Looks like communication fail.

Last part of #226:
Me and Kivam? I don't remember Kivam's meta very well. Just checked and the last game I played I could find was the end of 2013 (HOLY CRAP, I could have sworn it was shorter time than that since I played last).
 

 

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

 
I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be.  Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

 

Going back to this again... Really the only reason to soft claim that early is to gauge reactions, so I believe that's exactly what you were doing. The question isn't whether you are gauging the reaction, but to what end. For good or for eeeeeevil? So pressure applied to learn more. In any case, this is starting to get to be a circular argument I think.

Also @Turin, come now. I personally find most early claim hints suspicious because more often than not they turn out to be mafia ploys in my experience, but you should know better to not see sense in doing such a thing. There are definitely some good reasons for town to do such a thing, but it seems that mafia tend to do it more.
 

This is an interesting concoction. Taco bell chicken gordita (no sour cream, add nacho cheese), with flaming hot cheetos added inside. anyone looking for something new to try, I would recommend.

Oreo's and American Eazy-Cheese (from the spray can). Also Wendy's Spicy Nuggets + Frosty dipping.
 

My take on BG. He will always make sense in what he says. He will always look reasonable in thread. He will fake claim as either alignment. It will generally have something in it that sounds too off to be made up. As town he will accept a lynch if he thinks it will forward the town solving and winning the game. I have never seen him use the fake "lynch me if you must" as mafia.

End of BG thoughts for those that may not have played with him before.

P.s. I.may be biased cause he killed.me twice in one day when I was just starting to play.

Ever since that game Turin has been my mafia kryptonite.



Only other thing I spotted that hasn't been brought up by others I think is:
 

One of the things that has bugged me so far was Lily's vote changes. I went back and ISO'd her. They do seem more fluid and towny in that light.

This seems like you are wanting people to be suspicious of Lily but don't want it to get tracked back to you. Reads to me like "Hey! Look! Lily is vote hopping! Now don't ask me any questions on why I brought this up. Cause she's hella town."


All said and done I'm willing to let the sleeping dog lie Z. Reactions have been generated and your responses have been noted. It'll come back up again later, but I feel better applying a little more pressure here: [unvote][v]Eldrich[/v]
 

[Zander?]

 

I dragged Laine into something? Where? Show me please.

This is what I am talking about

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/page-7#entry3604557 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

 

 

 

But, uh? Reaction testing on someone you have never played with?

That's a bit [v]Sooh[/v] level play.

There's such a thing as generic reactions, which is what I was looking for. If you couldn't test for reactions on players you haven't played with before, what do you then do to gauge them?

 

Tell me then, what reaction from BG would have made you suspect he was scum? Or what reaction would have made you sure he was town.

 

Generic reactions doesn't make any sense.

 

 

 

That said, you do gauge them on how they play - like how they vote, how push, how they make their cases etc. Gameplay actions is the best indicator of that.

 

Nice catch.  Im liking Pral more here, not just cause he's sussing Sooh but making solid points and observations.

 

 

Z, this is Pral's post. 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

 

Nolder actually did vote Alanna but then switched to Lily when she also voted Alanna. Then he unvoted Lily immediately after Lily unvoted Alanna.

 

ok thank you.

 

Accidently erased the quote tag this was Zander:

Is tying people together alignment indicative of people for you this early Eld?

Only slightly. Being mafia know who town is, they have more liberty to do something like this.

 

 

Fair enough.

 

 

[Zander?]

That Pral post is broken btw. Any attempt of linking it will ruin your post.

 

Yeah I tried twice....

 

 

I like the catch by Pral in that post.

 

I like Pral better not just for sussing Sooh but he makes making solid points and observations.

[Sooh]

Zander: Quoting that post won't work. You better just link to it or say the post # in your response or something.