[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Turin Turambar]

[V] zander [/v]

 

Ignoring anyone is not town behavior. Even if you think I'm mafia you should be engaging me trying to get me to slip.

 

Also, as town you should.he willing to consider options and give thoughts about things you don't expect would effect your views.

 

I'm off to a party for at least two.hours might be tomorrow before properly on again.

[Nynaeve]

Lol

 

I dont think there's anyone in the game that engaged Sooh more than Zander.

[bgrishinko]

 

So, page 65 and commenting:

 

The post below is nice, so we know who voted and why. Well, for some people we know why, other,... not so much. Two ideas here cross my mind: 1) Wolves jumped on the occasion to get a townie killed, so there'd be at least 2 on the lynch train. It would have been a fast way to get rid of a townie D1 without too much of a risk. OR 2): there's max one wolf on the train, or none, because they laid back and watched townies rip another one apart. Something bothering me about the Nolder lynch is that it's once again Zander driving the lynch on a townie, and it gives me a déjà vu. Not saying directly that he's a wolf, but it's not to be totally excluded yet imo.

 

now, let's look at the votes:

 

 

Mine's not there

 

Zander tunneling on a townie again. I hope this will not become a habit, because there are only so many town players in a game.  The impression i get, forgive me if I'm wrong, is that you focus too much on one single player and loose the big picture. What I'd like to see, Zander, is a player that looks at multiple possibilities, and not one. In hindsight, the fact that you're on a townie again, quite pushing the lynch, is not that great. I hope you can understand that, bro

 

 

 

Thane if you are a wolf Ill have to admit the post is pretty ballsy.  As Town its pretty foolish but thats the lesser of 2 evils imo.

 

First off, get your facts straight, I didnt drive Nolder's lynch, thats fact,  Did I think he was Scum?  Yes I did.  Did Nolder play awful?  Yes he did.  He got 7 votes brother, you think theres 7 wolves in this game?  If not, then think hard about this.

 

Focus too much on one player?  I have multiple suspects, and players Ive been Town reading, so again incorrect.

 

Im not a big fan on your I was right about Nolder comments either.  Youre not a cocky player (unlike me)  That feels off to me.

 

You know mislynches are a part of playing this game.  Theres no way you can tell me Nolder wasnt scummy man,  Refusing to give a reads list, refusing to claim as VT, just a whole pile of anti Town Play.

Zander touches on something here, but I think he missed the most important thing. I see this as a slip by Thane.

 

@Thane,you seem to know for a certainty Zander is for sure pushing a town Lynch. You did that on day one with 99.9% too basically. How do you KNOW? I think you are using your overall knowledge of the setup as Mafia and slipping up honestly.

 

[v] Thane[/v]

[Thane Vakarian]

In my (little) experience, it's highly unlikely that a town player would sub in for a wolf. I could be wrong, but the chances would seem very low. True, Sooh didn't actually have a very townie game, but the way Turin is treated here is like he's already guilty and has no chance to redeem himself. That bothers me a bit. That's why I am reacting like this.

 

After all, Turin does have a point: if he's not a wolf, who is? I know where I put my vote, and it's a better place than Turin if you'd ask me.

[Nynaeve]

False. A scum that dies can't sub in cause he knows who scum is. Not the case the other way around.

 

In Despo's game I subbed back into a scum slot after getting nked. So... yeah.

[Thane Vakarian]

I haven't seen it before, like i said, my experience. I subbed in a few times in one game some time ago, always town-town

[Nynaeve]

Turin is treated the way that he's treated because of Sooh's actions and because he's been spewing nonesense since he subbed back in.

 

Your consideration of whether or not it makes sense for Turin to sub into a scum slot is void. Scum sub out and town sub out. Clearly halli couldn't find a sub and used a dead player. I'm puzzled on why you're bringing it up at all, but defense of Turin noted.

[Nynaeve]

I haven't seen it before, like i said, my experience. I subbed in a few times in one game some time ago, always town-town

A dead townie can sub into any slot. Logically.

[Thane Vakarian]

Well, I guess I should just ask this: if not him, then who? Hope you're ready to figure that out, because I'm still waiting on that answer in general.

[Nynaeve]

I gave my read list that indicate exactly who my suspects are. So not sure what you're on about.

 

Like if you want to disagree about Turin that's fine. But you're gonna have to do better than whatever that was.

[Thane Vakarian]

i have seen your list, Nyn, so that's ok. Some people I would like to see complete lists from would be Zan & BG for instance.

 

I apologize if i have some issues bringing my point across, my brain's on sunday-mode and not really willing to co-operate

 

@Zan, you had something on BG, and i asked you to specify. Still care to do so?

[LilyElizabeth]

I approve of Lily's vote, ftr. BG needs some pressure.

 

Thanks. I made a note of the fact that he didn't respond to it, either. Can we turn this into a real train and add some real pressure? He's scum. 

[LilyElizabeth]

Scum: BG, Turin 2.0, Thane. Any questions?

 

Turin is so obv scum, and I'm basing my Thane read on his and BG's comments on each other. 

[Nynaeve]

I feel like I mentioned my concerns on BG on quite a few occasions and he didn't really feel the need to address it or try to correct the impression. I also don't like that he has me as null. It's a bit of a head scratcher, honestly. Feels a bit  like he's leaving his options open there. With all the things that's been going on it feels like he's part of the furniture. I'm gonna have to reread his read list because I don't remember much of it, but this passiveness is eh.

[Nynaeve]

i have seen your list, Nyn, so that's ok. Some people I would like to see complete lists from would be Zan & BG for instance.

 

I apologize if i have some issues bringing my point across, my brain's on sunday-mode and not really willing to co-operate

 

Fair enough. Like I said, you're welcome to disagree. But I need to be able to see where your head's at when you do. That's all I ask.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'd encourage you to ISO him and see what I saw. He's really staying middle of the road. Well, until lately. Now, he's FOSing obv townies. 

[Nynaeve]

I'd encourage you to ISO him and see what I saw. He's really staying middle of the road. Well, until lately. Now, he's FOSing obv townies. 

 

I ISOed him at some point during D1. But yeah, I need to reread his posts since.

[Pralaya]

Is anyone else noticing the change in Turin's tone? Cause I think it's pretty evident.

Yes, there is a definite difference in Turin's tone compared to earlier.

 

Alright, [unvote] [v] Turin[/v]. Tell you what, If Turin ends up as town, we are definitely going after Zander, right? Because there is no way that zander/nolder and zander/sooh are both v/v.

[Pralaya]

Scum: BG, Turin 2.0, Thane. Any questions?

 

Turin is so obv scum, and I'm basing my Thane read on his and BG's comments on each other.

BG and Eldrick.

 

That would be the other scum, imo

[bgrishinko]

 

I approve of Lily's vote, ftr. BG needs some pressure.

 

 

Thanks. I made a note of the fact that he didn't respond to it, either. Can we turn this into a real train and add some real pressure? He's scum.

Not much to comment on. I said Turin is generally a weakness of mine at Mafia. Turin was nk'd. So therefore I must be the one who killed him by your vote. It seems you want to put pressure on me for that reason alone. That's not really something I can defend against. I don't know why Mafia chose to kill Turin.

[Nynaeve]

My dog doesn't love me.

 

My parents are off on a couple days of vacation in the dead sea... which is a lot less depressing than it sounds, honestly! But whenever they're gone she gets all depressed and refuses to eat or drink. HELLO, I'M RIGHT HERE!

[Zander?]

Still want to vote turin. But, for the sake of competing vote train

 

[v]Thane [/v]

 

Cuz I'm not touching the other trains. They are town.

 

I dont know about that.  Why do you think they are all Town?

 

I approve of Lily's vote, ftr. BG needs some pressure.

 

Ya i dont hate it either.

 

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

Ignoring anyone is not town behavior. Even if you think I'm mafia you should be engaging me trying to get me to slip.

 

Also, as town you should.he willing to consider options and give thoughts about things you don't expect would effect your views.

 

I'm off to a party for at least two.hours might be tomorrow before properly on again.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

Sooh slipped for you already.

 

I have other suspects

 

 

 

 

 

So, page 65 and commenting:

 

The post below is nice, so we know who voted and why. Well, for some people we know why, other,... not so much. Two ideas here cross my mind: 1) Wolves jumped on the occasion to get a townie killed, so there'd be at least 2 on the lynch train. It would have been a fast way to get rid of a townie D1 without too much of a risk. OR 2): there's max one wolf on the train, or none, because they laid back and watched townies rip another one apart. Something bothering me about the Nolder lynch is that it's once again Zander driving the lynch on a townie, and it gives me a déjà vu. Not saying directly that he's a wolf, but it's not to be totally excluded yet imo.

 

now, let's look at the votes:

 

 

Mine's not there

 

Zander tunneling on a townie again. I hope this will not become a habit, because there are only so many town players in a game.  The impression i get, forgive me if I'm wrong, is that you focus too much on one single player and loose the big picture. What I'd like to see, Zander, is a player that looks at multiple possibilities, and not one. In hindsight, the fact that you're on a townie again, quite pushing the lynch, is not that great. I hope you can understand that, bro

 

 

Thane if you are a wolf Ill have to admit the post is pretty ballsy.  As Town its pretty foolish but thats the lesser of 2 evils imo.

 

First off, get your facts straight, I didnt drive Nolder's lynch, thats fact,  Did I think he was Scum?  Yes I did.  Did Nolder play awful?  Yes he did.  He got 7 votes brother, you think theres 7 wolves in this game?  If not, then think hard about this.

 

Focus too much on one player?  I have multiple suspects, and players Ive been Town reading, so again incorrect.

 

Im not a big fan on your I was right about Nolder comments either.  Youre not a cocky player (unlike me)  That feels off to me.

 

You know mislynches are a part of playing this game.  Theres no way you can tell me Nolder wasnt scummy man,  Refusing to give a reads list, refusing to claim as VT, just a whole pile of anti Town Play.

Zander touches on something here, but I think he missed the most important thing. I see this as a slip by Thane.

 

@Thane,you seem to know for a certainty Zander is for sure pushing a town Lynch. You did that on day one with 99.9% too basically. How do you KNOW? I think you are using your overall knowledge of the setup as Mafia and slipping up honestly.

 

[v] Thane[/v]

 

 

Could be the case.

 

Interesting catch.  Not fully sure its condemning or not but something I'll keep in mind.

[Zander?]

In my (little) experience, it's highly unlikely that a town player would sub in for a wolf. I could be wrong, but the chances would seem very low. True, Sooh didn't actually have a very townie game, but the way Turin is treated here is like he's already guilty and has no chance to redeem himself. That bothers me a bit. That's why I am reacting like this.

 

After all, Turin does have a point: if he's not a wolf, who is? I know where I put my vote, and it's a better place than Turin if you'd ask me.

 

Well obv a wolf cant sub in for Town.  I think this comment is quite strange imo.  Thane you are slipping quite quickly.

 

 

i have seen your list, Nyn, so that's ok. Some people I would like to see complete lists from would be Zan & BG for instance.

 

I apologize if i have some issues bringing my point across, my brain's on sunday-mode and not really willing to co-operate

 

@Zan, you had something on BG, and i asked you to specify. Still care to do so?

 

Ive provided a reads list already and Im pretty sure BG did as well iirc.

 

My brain really co-operates at all.

 

No I dont tbqh.  Wanna run him up???  Be careful how you respond to this.

 

 

 

I approve of Lily's vote, ftr. BG needs some pressure.

 

Thanks. I made a note of the fact that he didn't respond to it, either. Can we turn this into a real train and add some real pressure? He's scum. 

 

 

Im liking Lily taking some solid stances.

 

I feel like I mentioned my concerns on BG on quite a few occasions and he didn't really feel the need to address it or try to correct the impression. I also don't like that he has me as null. It's a bit of a head scratcher, honestly. Feels a bit  like he's leaving his options open there. With all the things that's been going on it feels like he's part of the furniture. I'm gonna have to reread his read list because I don't remember much of it, but this passiveness is eh.

 

Id consider lunching BG tomorrow.  Ill give him a little time to show me what Im looking for or not.

 

 

Is anyone else noticing the change in Turin's tone? Cause I think it's pretty evident.

Yes, there is a definite difference in Turin's tone compared to earlier.

 

Alright, [unvote] [v] Turin[/v]. Tell you what, If Turin ends up as town, we are definitely going after Zander, right? Because there is no way that zander/nolder and zander/sooh are both v/v.

 

 

Dude your push on me is a joke.  You said me and Nol werent v/v, youre wrong.  Now your trying the same thing again.

 

You gonna try and tell me Nolder wasnt scummy?

 

You gonna try and tell me Sooh/Turin 2.0 aren't scummy?

[Thane Vakarian]

@Zan: with the excitement of this evening, I'll still reply (or try to). A wolf can ofcourse not sub in anymore. A townie, however, can do both. And here it's assumed that he's in a wolf spot. Ok, we have time DL is still far away), the previous spot didn't look too good, but here he's automatically being seen as wolf. I'd hate if that would happen to me if I'd be town. Could explain his different tone perhaps. But, do as you wish, and we'll see. I remember a game not too long ago, where I didn't vote someone who was seen as wolf by majority, and he flipped town (can't remember the game title though, it's sunday). You, Zan, weren't happy at me for not voting him. The situation we have now is feeling like a déjà vu, kind of. Quite some people view someone as wolf, which I doubt. Well, as I said... we'll see... 

 

as for BG, not pushing him right now, but I'd like a bit more from him so I can read him better. I'm having some problems recalling reads lists from people, and would need to read back for them. Which, I think, won't happen tonight. Perhaps tomorrow.

 

As for Pral's comment... I can see where he's coming from. What if Turin2 isn't wolf?

 

I'd just like to ask everybody not to speedlynch someone. We have, what, 2 days left? Quite a lot of time to figure things out imo.

[Thane Vakarian]

I'm out for tonight, and will see you all later. Take care all.