[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

Nynaeve · February 6, 2016

Nyn: she drove the Nol lynch and her justification is that he is a bad selfish player. Now I'm gonna be treated badly too. Hopefully people will see the truth upon my death.

Like I said, keep flapping your mouth.

Shad_ · February 6, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Turin(3): Zander, Nynaeve, alannalynn

bgrishinko(1): Lily

alannalynn(1): Turin

Zander(1): Pralaya

Not Voting: BFG, bgrishinko, Thane, Eldrick

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Nynaeve · February 6, 2016

90% of your reads are ridiculous.

LilyElizabeth · February 6, 2016

I don't know what I have done to take away your enjoyment of this game but I am sorry for whatever it may have been.

I guess my requests will be denied and you insist on lynching me so I will give you at present my want to lynch list And I will go to enjoy the rest of my evening.

Alanna: I think I have covered this ad nauseam but here it is again- begging to be town read. Attempts to just dismiss without refuting any claims against her.Voted Nol for pressure. Not liking the interaction with Z. All of today's posts feel like lolcatting or AtE. I'm all the scenarios in my head Alanna is mafia every time.

Lily: this is a change. There were warning signs of mafia!Lily D1. The immediate backing off of every case. The questions about how to find mafia. It reminded.me of the one time we were on a mafia team together. BG's wheel of time book game. I think BG ran it anyway. The unneeded vote to L-1 made Nol lynch.inevitable(cwidt?)

Nyn: she drove the Nol lynch and her justification is that he is a bad selfish player. Now I'm gonna be treated badly too. Hopefully people will see the truth upon my death.

Z: I am really starting to think he is just off the raild and pocketed by Alanna but I could be wrong. Go back and look for all of Turins posts on him.

Eldrick: going with the flow. Look at his postings today.

Lynch from this list now and profit. Probably not gonna happen but at Least look at it after I'm dead.

Good night and good luck. If I'm still alive in the morning maybe I will look at the thread.

Yep lynch the red and profit. BG is off to me. I have an inkling like Ive mentioned but hes done nothing to validate or deny this.

I could go with this list.

Nynaeve · February 6, 2016

Oh and feel free not to look at the thread even if you're still alive. Just sayin'

Zander? · February 6, 2016

I don't know what I have done to take away your enjoyment of this game but I am sorry for whatever it may have been.

I guess my requests will be denied and you insist on lynching me so I will give you at present my want to lynch list And I will go to enjoy the rest of my evening.

Alanna: I think I have covered this ad nauseam but here it is again- begging to be town read. Attempts to just dismiss without refuting any claims against her.Voted Nol for pressure. Not liking the interaction with Z. All of today's posts feel like lolcatting or AtE. I'm all the scenarios in my head Alanna is mafia every time.

Lily: this is a change. There were warning signs of mafia!Lily D1. The immediate backing off of every case. The questions about how to find mafia. It reminded.me of the one time we were on a mafia team together. BG's wheel of time book game. I think BG ran it anyway. The unneeded vote to L-1 made Nol lynch.inevitable(cwidt?)

Nyn: she drove the Nol lynch and her justification is that he is a bad selfish player. Now I'm gonna be treated badly too. Hopefully people will see the truth upon my death.

Z: I am really starting to think he is just off the raild and pocketed by Alanna but I could be wrong. Go back and look for all of Turins posts on him.

Eldrick: going with the flow. Look at his postings today.

Lynch from this list now and profit. Probably not gonna happen but at Least look at it after I'm dead.

Good night and good luck. If I'm still alive in the morning maybe I will look at the thread.

Yep lynch the red and profit. BG is off to me. I have an inkling like Ive mentioned but hes done nothing to validate or deny this.

I could go with this list.

I honestly believe Turin is the best lynch possible today.

LilyElizabeth · February 6, 2016

I don't know what I have done to take away your enjoyment of this game but I am sorry for whatever it may have been.

I guess my requests will be denied and you insist on lynching me so I will give you at present my want to lynch list And I will go to enjoy the rest of my evening.

Alanna: I think I have covered this ad nauseam but here it is again- begging to be town read. Attempts to just dismiss without refuting any claims against her.Voted Nol for pressure. Not liking the interaction with Z. All of today's posts feel like lolcatting or AtE. I'm all the scenarios in my head Alanna is mafia every time.

Lily: this is a change. There were warning signs of mafia!Lily D1. The immediate backing off of every case. The questions about how to find mafia. It reminded.me of the one time we were on a mafia team together. BG's wheel of time book game. I think BG ran it anyway. The unneeded vote to L-1 made Nol lynch.inevitable(cwidt?)

Nyn: she drove the Nol lynch and her justification is that he is a bad selfish player. Now I'm gonna be treated badly too. Hopefully people will see the truth upon my death.

Z: I am really starting to think he is just off the raild and pocketed by Alanna but I could be wrong. Go back and look for all of Turins posts on him.

Eldrick: going with the flow. Look at his postings today.

Lynch from this list now and profit. Probably not gonna happen but at Least look at it after I'm dead.

Good night and good luck. If I'm still alive in the morning maybe I will look at the thread.

Yep lynch the red and profit. BG is off to me. I have an inkling like Ive mentioned but hes done nothing to validate or deny this.

I could go with this list.

I honestly believe Turin is the best lynch possible today.

I think Turin is going to be the lynch but I'm hanging tight on BG.

Nynaeve · February 6, 2016

Gonna join Laine in her sentiment and take off for the day. laters

Eldrick4221 · February 6, 2016

I guess you're not going to see it then. Granted, it's mostly your attitude towards Nyn, who is the most townie player in the game.

The funny part about that is my fiasco with the fluff post debate was the came out of it as a shining town read for me.

Eldrick4221 · February 6, 2016

I don't know what I have done to take away your enjoyment of this game but I am sorry for whatever it may have been.

I guess my requests will be denied and you insist on lynching me so I will give you at present my want to lynch list And I will go to enjoy the rest of my evening.

Alanna: I think I have covered this ad nauseam but here it is again- begging to be town read. Attempts to just dismiss without refuting any claims against her.Voted Nol for pressure. Not liking the interaction with Z. All of today's posts feel like lolcatting or AtE. I'm all the scenarios in my head Alanna is mafia every time.

Lily: this is a change. There were warning signs of mafia!Lily D1. The immediate backing off of every case. The questions about how to find mafia. It reminded.me of the one time we were on a mafia team together. BG's wheel of time book game. I think BG ran it anyway. The unneeded vote to L-1 made Nol lynch.inevitable(cwidt?)

Nyn: she drove the Nol lynch and her justification is that he is a bad selfish player. Now I'm gonna be treated badly too. Hopefully people will see the truth upon my death.

Z: I am really starting to think he is just off the raild and pocketed by Alanna but I could be wrong. Go back and look for all of Turins posts on him.

Eldrick: going with the flow. Look at his postings today.

Lynch from this list now and profit. Probably not gonna happen but at Least look at it after I'm dead.

Good night and good luck. If I'm still alive in the morning maybe I will look at the thread.

This is like half the players.

Eldrick4221 · February 6, 2016

I look bad for not wanting to rush a lynch. We have people that haven't even checked in today. We have an extended deadline. We might have a cop come back with a scum read. There are plenty of reasons to not go headfirst into a lynch.

That being said, he is still where I intend to vote. I'm not liking his tone today. I don't like him using the fact that he was vt before comparing it to his role now.

Zander? · February 6, 2016

I look bad for not wanting to rush a lynch. We have people that haven't even checked in today. We have an extended deadline. We might have a cop come back with a scum read. There are plenty of reasons to not go headfirst into a lynch.

That being said, he is still where I intend to vote. I'm not liking his tone today. I don't like him using the fact that he was vt before comparing it to his role now.

oh you mean you dont find it ironic that he called me out for claiming early on......

Eldrick4221 · February 6, 2016

I look bad for not wanting to rush a lynch. We have people that haven't even checked in today. We have an extended deadline. We might have a cop come back with a scum read. There are plenty of reasons to not go headfirst into a lynch.

That being said, he is still where I intend to vote. I'm not liking his tone today. I don't like him using the fact that he was vt before comparing it to his role now.

oh you mean you dont find it ironic that he called me out for claiming early on......

You soft character claimed. Hardly the same thing.

Zander? · February 6, 2016

I look bad for not wanting to rush a lynch. We have people that haven't even checked in today. We have an extended deadline. We might have a cop come back with a scum read. There are plenty of reasons to not go headfirst into a lynch.

That being said, he is still where I intend to vote. I'm not liking his tone today. I don't like him using the fact that he was vt before comparing it to his role now.

oh you mean you dont find it ironic that he called me out for claiming early on......

You soft character claimed. Hardly the same thing.

I disagree imo

Eldrick4221 · February 6, 2016

Character claims in games where safe fake claims are publicly known mean literally nothing.

Eldrick4221 · February 6, 2016

Publicly known to exist I should say

Eldrick4221 · February 6, 2016

If you had role claimed, and he was giving you flak about that, then it would be ironic

Eldrick4221 · February 7, 2016

I have tried multiple times to go back and analyze stuff about people in my PoE, but my brain simply is refusing to focus. I don't have any scum leans besides Turin.

I have a town core of Zander, Nyn, BFG, BG, and Laine.

I am ok lynching anyone else, cuz I am doing horribly this game, and can't seem to find anything good to sink my hooks into.

I just hope I'm not misclearing someone.

The thread has been so incredibly dead today.

Eldrick4221 · February 7, 2016

I'm also somewhat confident in Lily and Pral, but to a much lesser extent.

Eldrick4221 · February 7, 2016

That leaves Turin 2.0 and Thane. And I must be misclearing someone if it isn't Lily or Pral. Oy vey.

bgrishinko · February 7, 2016

I didn't have a chance to reread anything today. I'm on my tablet and it's really difficult to look back at things. But going off gut feelings and memory alone, Here are my thoughts on every one. I've mentioned who my scum leads are, but day 1 is way usually too early in my opinion to have good serious town leads. Moving in to day 2, I'm willing to reflect and firm up some opinions.

1. Turin - Town NKd.

2. Zander - Feel he is struggling with the limitations of the new posting style. Most people's complaints against Zander seem to have a basis in that which I don't think is fair. He also seems to have a potential weak spot in Laine. If a scum Laine plays her known town meta strongly, she can pocket Zander which I think may have happened in the Nolder vote. Overall, he has been scum hunting and listening to reason for the most part. Town lean, but can't dismiss he may just be Mafia playing off opportunity.

3. Sooh/Turin 2.0 - I felt Sooh was doing decent scum hunting. Her poke at me seemed a legit way to scum hunt. Town lean.

4. Nolder - Town Lynched

5. Laine - Mafia, she definitely has bulldog qualities. Trying to prove herself town not by the method of play, but on the basis of self meta. She doesn't accept any opinion but her own without calling it anti-town. I think she's trying to build a clique she can help manipulate instead of allowing each player to form their own opinions and express them safely. If she's town, she's dangerous town. She partially led the Nolder charge along with Nyn but was more critical of people who disagreed.

6. Nyn - Null. Her style seems somewhere between the bulldog Laine and more of a chill player. She's very adamant about her opinions which is ok, but doesn't make people feel stupid for disagreeing. I don't agree with her on some things. Without rereading I don't have a good feel on her motivation being pure or manipulative.

7. Pral - Null. Not enough content to determine.

8. Eldrick - Probably most in need of a reread from me. I've been focused on others so much he's flown under my radar kind of. Null.

9. Lily - Null, but leaning town if you had to make me choose (despite her current vote). Probably because I've agreed with a lot of what she said.

10. Thane - Mafia, mostly for reasons stated. Haven't seen much to change my day 1 opinion there.

11. BGrishinko, Town

12. BFG, probably my biggest town feel. He's been prodding and poking in all the right ways. You can tell BFG is really trying to win and find the cracks in the Mafia facade.

Anyway, that's off memory so it isn't too detailed.

Eldrick4221 · February 7, 2016

So my read on BFG is basically still a gut one. She might be deep wolf, but not looking there unless I have to. Happy leaving her in my town core.

Eldrick4221 · February 7, 2016

Laine is town to me because of her current resigned attitude. It feels like giving up. Why would scum be giving up when they are all still alive?

bgrishinko · February 7, 2016

Laine is town to me because of her current resigned attitude. It feels like giving up. Why would scum be giving up when they are all still alive?

Seems her current attitude might be unrelated. I've seen people rage quit or ask to be replaced on both sides. Not saying she will do that. Hope she doesn't. Not really sure what the problem is other than people disagreeing on philosophy.

In any case, I don't see it as indicative of alignment. Why would town be giving up either?

Thane Vakarian · February 7, 2016

So, page 65 and commenting:

The post below is nice, so we know who voted and why. Well, for some people we know why, other,... not so much. Two ideas here cross my mind: 1) Wolves jumped on the occasion to get a townie killed, so there'd be at least 2 on the lynch train. It would have been a fast way to get rid of a townie D1 without too much of a risk. OR 2): there's max one wolf on the train, or none, because they laid back and watched townies rip another one apart. Something bothering me about the Nolder lynch is that it's once again Zander driving the lynch on a townie, and it gives me a déjà vu. Not saying directly that he's a wolf, but it's not to be totally excluded yet imo.

now, let's look at the votes:

Votes on Nolder:

I included all votes, even the ones who later unvoted.

Kind of a weird switch by Lily IMHO, willing to pursue.

[unvote]

[v]Lily[/v]

I'm giving Zander the benefit of the doubt, since he said it was a joke, but not ruling him as scum out yet. What's weird about that?
It's the timing and also I don't agree with your vote.

Your vote on Alanna came right after Zander's but with enough time between to make me think it wasn't just a coincidence or fluke.
I also don't agree that Alanna seems to be pushing a scummate's case...or any case really she just said Eldrick seemed awkward.
If she had voted maybe I'd agree but she didn't.

To me it looks way more likely that you and Zander would be scummate's who distanced and then jumped on the same person than it does that Alanna and Sooh are scummates.

Previous post post I quoted had you saying you were Voting Alanna for not voting. Now you are saying that you would understand how she would look bad if she had voted yet you voted for the opposite reason. You further used this a reason to vote someone else. It looks to me like you were just looking for anything to take your vote off Alanna.

[unvote]
[V] Nolder [/v]

We know he was town

We do know now, in hindsight. Good thing is that i was right about my read on him, so i have some confidence that i can get some decent reads this game.

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

How did that work out? Nolder did self-vote in the end, so I would ask you: Did you get the expected result from the pressure vote? I think not... so, besides pressure on Nolder, did you have another, added, reason to vote?

Zander I think you and I need to have a talk.

Ok whats up?

Not much, I just like to clear or condemn you early and I'd like to be able to do it soon.

Let's try some questions...

Gun to head which one person of the following people would you absolutely not let into the village right now: Sooh, Pral, Alanna, Thane, Eldrick.

Why these people specifically?

Nolder that's a terrible question when he's already mentioned scum reads on 2/5 and has null-town the rest lol

it is but its ok. I wanna see where he goes with this.

@Nol- Why Pral?

Sorry everyone woke up and is talking to me now.

The thing about Pral, and I don't mean to be insulting, even when he's town I don't find his posts that helpful or insightful 90% of the time.

He's just kind of there. So that's more meta than anything else but that's why I chose him.

That's a terrible reason.

+1 on it being a terrible reason. you don't find him helpful as town, so you want to lynch him for not being helpful.

[v]Nolder[/v]

Later retracted due to misunderstanding, iirc

Yes, later retracted. But, the reason for the vote, bolded in red.... it would go for a lot of townies in general on D1, seeing there's not much to work with.... considering this, the first reason Eldrick voted Nolder was bad.

[v]Nolder[/v] wakey wakey, sleeping beauty

Don't understand the reason for this vote. @Nyn can you explain?

IF I understand Nyn a bit, she voted here to get pressure on Nolder, get him to explain and interact. Again, here: How did that work out? Did you get what you were looking for?

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

Leap of faith

[v]Nolder[/v]

@Sooh - I think you explained it already, but would you explain this vote again, please?

It's a shame that Sooh got replaced, because i'd really have liked an answer to the following question: Do you feel better or worse about Laine right now, seeing Nolder flipped town? Did the leap of faith work out? I don't think that Turin2 can answer this, which is too bad.

I was wrong. I am voting one of them.

I noticed it earlier. It's been addressed several times. The fact that Nolder is flat out refusing to give a reads list means something. I want to find out what that something is.

[v]Nolder[/v]

Okay reason, I guess

This, once again, feels like a pressure vote. By now, it should have been obvious that Nolder wasn't really going to give in to the pressure votes and would continue his gameplay the way he seemed was best. It didn't work out for him, and it wasn't helpful for town what he did, but the vote here rings a little bell.

I figured as much.

Vote Nolder

voting for refusal of reads list. Hmm... looking at it, fourth pressure vote. Again, should have been clear that the pressure wouldn't work and a reads list wasn't coming. Feels like an easy vote here to put Nolder on L-1.

Out of all the votes, Sooh's looks the worst

I tend to disagree. Eldrick feels worst here, followed by Laine and Sooh/Turin2

Mine's not there

Zander tunneling on a townie again. I hope this will not become a habit, because there are only so many town players in a game. The impression i get, forgive me if I'm wrong, is that you focus too much on one single player and loose the big picture. What I'd like to see, Zander, is a player that looks at multiple possibilities, and not one. In hindsight, the fact that you're on a townie again, quite pushing the lynch, is not that great. I hope you can understand that, bro

Sooh is replaced by Turin!

Also: due to Superbowl I will extend the deadline to 11am PST on Tuesday, Feb 9th.

Welcome back Turin. I hope you'll be able to clear your slot pretty quickly, because it's not looking too great at this point. I got my first read right on you, so we'll see if you can convince me again.

[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

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