[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

Zander? · February 3, 2016

@BG Post # 347

Im not a fan of your response to me concerning misrepping you. I know you backed off and said it was a communication fail but it sounds hollow to me.

Hallia · February 3, 2016

I was contacted; the edit on that one does not result in a modkill; so everyone knows just leave that one alone :laugh:

bgrishinko · February 3, 2016

Fair enough Zander, but it did feel like you were misrepresting what I said at the time instead of just not understanding it. Your explanation for my vote did not line up with my explanation on why I was voting. Hence a misrepresentation.

Zander? · February 3, 2016

I say I have to agree more with Sooh about the "dragging Alanna into it" thing.

Z, did you get a chance to answer my questions about your soft claim? I may have missed it if you did.

I did. Iso'ing me wont be too hard to do this game so you can easily find it.

I'll grab links later. Also, like I said, I'm working on reading you, and right now it's not coming up favorably for you.

You HAVE been doing better with reading me, most definitely so, which is also in part why you're suspicious to me this game.

And yes, BG WAS a victim of opportunity, but I also needed some sort of read on him, and provoking a reaction isn't necessarily the worst way of doing so.

I don't need specific reasons for everything I do in a mafia game. Sometimes a reaction is just that, a reaction to something that happened. A spur of the moment thing.

(FTR: My case on you has no merit because I'm going after your meta? What are you doing to me?)

Ya you need to provide those links cause nothing in your case against me had been proven by you or even correct. And Ive already commented on your casing this game.

So basically one of your main reasons for sussing me is I'm sussing you. How convenient.

It isnt but the tunnel comment still makes no sense in this regard.

And yes your Meta part of the case on me has no merit when Im playing completely different then ANY other game and I stated I'd be doing so pregame. Its hard to compare nothing to nothing and call it a Meta read imo.

Eldrick4221 · February 3, 2016

I wasn't the one that originally brought up lily's vote changes. My looking into it and post about it are because I think it's coming from a towny mindset. I feel good about her for it. You are misrepping me by saying I am trying to make her look bad by what I said.

[V]BG originalclef [/v]

Eldrick4221 · February 3, 2016

It's way past my bedtime. I gotta go away now.

Could I have a VC and dl timer for when I come back?

Turin Turambar · February 3, 2016

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be. Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

I saw your first response but I asked a follow up and I don't see a response to this second question. Can you answer or link me if there is an answer already?

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be. Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

Okay. So were you doing it "for reactions"? If yes, what did you learn? If not, then what was your purpose?

The difference is that if fakeclaims are stated in the rules/OP then most likely (if not definitely) there will be at least one that people will assume is obvious town.

Shad_ · February 3, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Nolder(1): Turin

Sooh(2): Pralaya, Zander

Zander(1): Sooh

Eldrick(1): bgrishinko

bgrishinko(1): Eldrick

Not Voting: alannalynn, BFG, Thane, Lily, Nolder, Nynaeve

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

bgrishinko · February 3, 2016

#originalclef represent.

Still felt out of place. I'll look back and verify what you say.

BFG · February 3, 2016

:happy:

Mostly posting to get off this page

Zander? · February 3, 2016

I saw your first response but I asked a follow up and I don't see a response to this second question. Can you answer or link me if there is an answer already?

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be. Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

Okay. So were you doing it "for reactions"? If yes, what did you learn? If not, then what was your purpose?

The difference is that if fakeclaims are stated in the rules/OP then most likely (if not definitely) there will be at least one that people will assume is obvious town.

Because I wanted to. Also after learning about my character, I found out he had a brother, Knowing I'm Town. I gotta assume that when someone claims the brother, it pretty much has to be a Town character claim imo.

BFG · February 3, 2016

I'm here for an hour, then out at a friends, I may or may not keep up on mobile :unsure:

I'll be back around midnight (6.5ish hours from now) to chat.

I started an Eldrick ISO this morning and want to finish that before anything else.

Zander I'll try to post a list or something later when I've read today's posts more carefully and had time to digest them, at the moment I have too many nulls for it to be worth anything. If you (or anyone else) have specific questions I'll try to answer

BFG · February 3, 2016

I saw your first response but I asked a follow up and I don't see a response to this second question. Can you answer or link me if there is an answer already?

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be. Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

Okay. So were you doing it "for reactions"? If yes, what did you learn? If not, then what was your purpose?

The difference is that if fakeclaims are stated in the rules/OP then most likely (if not definitely) there will be at least one that people will assume is obvious town.

Because I wanted to. Also after learning about my character, I found out he had a brother, Knowing I'm Town. I gotta assume that when someone claims the brother, it pretty much has to be a Town character claim imo.

:dry:

No. Obviously I can't stop your assumptions, but no.

Zander? · February 3, 2016

I'm here for an hour, then out at a friends, I may or may not keep up on mobile

I'll be back around midnight (6.5ish hours from now) to chat.

I started an Eldrick ISO this morning and want to finish that before anything else.

Zander I'll try to post a list or something later when I've read today's posts more carefully and had time to digest them, at the moment I have too many nulls for it to be worth anything. If you (or anyone else) have specific questions I'll try to answer

/meh maybe that's an exaggeration :/

I don't really have strong reads on people, but I disagree with Sooh as a mafia read (although this read doesn't surprise me from Zander) and am surprised that Thane and Laine are so high.

The rest is probably more tweaking than outright disagreement

Do you feel that you read Sooh particularly well?

Why doesnt my read of Sooh surprise you especially since we are reading her differently according to this post?

I've explained Thane. Alanna is one of the spots where me and Cory differ, he has her higher and I have lower. But either way we have better Scum reads in Sooh and Eld which we agree on thus far.

Can you provide some reads so we can see where we differ?

You are one of the people Im considering letting into my Town Core so I'd like to see where you stand as well.

Those please.

Sooh · February 3, 2016

I saw your first response but I asked a follow up and I don't see a response to this second question. Can you answer or link me if there is an answer already?

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be. Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

Okay. So were you doing it "for reactions"? If yes, what did you learn? If not, then what was your purpose?

The difference is that if fakeclaims are stated in the rules/OP then most likely (if not definitely) there will be at least one that people will assume is obvious town.

Because I wanted to. Also after learning about my character, I found out he had a brother, Knowing I'm Town. I gotta assume that when someone claims the brother, it pretty much has to be a Town character claim imo.

Wow.

This is just really terrible.

In a game where the mod has confirmed that mafia has fake claims you have to assume they have been given at least one main character to boost their claim.

LilyElizabeth · February 3, 2016

After I posted that I'd try to catch up today, I did catch up. I can't focus on the game today. My favorite cat appears to be dying. At least he is acting like a previous cat did when he was in renal failure. I'm a mess and I'm not going to post because I probably won't make any sense.

Nynaeve · February 3, 2016

this conversation feels very familiar

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

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[v]Zander[/v]

Do you feel like this equates to his scum game, though? You're taking about how it's different from his usual town game. That's fine. But there's another comparison you failed to explore. Is this how he plays as scum, in your opinion? From what I can tell this is different from how he plays, period.

Zander? · February 3, 2016

No. Obviously I can't stop your assumptions, but no.

*shrug*

I can be wrong wouldn't be the first time nor the last.

Zander? · February 3, 2016

I saw your first response but I asked a follow up and I don't see a response to this second question. Can you answer or link me if there is an answer already?

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be. Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

Okay. So were you doing it "for reactions"? If yes, what did you learn? If not, then what was your purpose?

The difference is that if fakeclaims are stated in the rules/OP then most likely (if not definitely) there will be at least one that people will assume is obvious town.

Because I wanted to. Also after learning about my character, I found out he had a brother, Knowing I'm Town. I gotta assume that when someone claims the brother, it pretty much has to be a Town character claim imo.

Wow.

This is just really terrible.

In a game where the mod has confirmed that mafia has fake claims you have to assume they have been given at least one main character to boost their claim.

Before calling what I say terrible, why dont you try and provide substance, points, proof, quotes or basically anything that validates your case on me cause you havent done any of these things thus far.

Still waiting on those quotes you were gonna provide me with....

alannalynn · February 3, 2016

I'm here in RT and doing a thorough read right now

After I posted that I'd try to catch up today, I did catch up. I can't focus on the game today. My favorite cat appears to be dying. At least he is acting like a previous cat did when he was in renal failure. I'm a mess and I'm not going to post because I probably won't make any sense.

:sad: I saw your post on fb, I'm sorry Lily. I hope it really isn't that serious though =/ *hugs*

Nynaeve · February 3, 2016

But his reads list is so SO different to what I'm thinking it has me concerned. Admittedly some of my positions have clarified in the past couple of hours so it's not fair to judge him on that

ftr, I don't think disagreement on reads should elicit bad juju in itself. Lack of backing that up with a reasonable explanation should.

Sooh · February 3, 2016

this conversation feels very familiar

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

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[v]Zander[/v]

Do you feel like this equates to his scum game, though? You're taking about how it's different from his usual town game. That's fine. But there's another comparison you failed to explore. Is this how he plays as scum, in your opinion? From what I can tell this is different from how he plays, period.

I haven't played with Zander for most of his scum games, so I'm working from memory as to how he seemed to me during those games, and this is the tone I remember from probably his first scum game. Not his latest though. Let's call him an enigma, and I'll move on if anything else presents itself or I get convinced he's town.

Zander? · February 3, 2016

this conversation feels very familiar

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

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[v]Zander[/v]

Do you feel like this equates to his scum game, though? You're taking about how it's different from his usual town game. That's fine. But there's another comparison you failed to explore. Is this how he plays as scum, in your opinion? From what I can tell this is different from how he plays, period.

Yep this is what I've been saying.

After I posted that I'd try to catch up today, I did catch up. I can't focus on the game today. My favorite cat appears to be dying. At least he is acting like a previous cat did when he was in renal failure. I'm a mess and I'm not going to post because I probably won't make any sense.

Hope all will be well Lily

Sooh · February 3, 2016

I saw your first response but I asked a follow up and I don't see a response to this second question. Can you answer or link me if there is an answer already?

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be. Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

Okay. So were you doing it "for reactions"? If yes, what did you learn? If not, then what was your purpose?

The difference is that if fakeclaims are stated in the rules/OP then most likely (if not definitely) there will be at least one that people will assume is obvious town.

Because I wanted to. Also after learning about my character, I found out he had a brother, Knowing I'm Town. I gotta assume that when someone claims the brother, it pretty much has to be a Town character claim imo.

Wow.

This is just really terrible.

In a game where the mod has confirmed that mafia has fake claims you have to assume they have been given at least one main character to boost their claim.

Before calling what I say terrible, why dont you try and provide substance, points, proof, quotes or basically anything that validates your case on me cause you havent done any of these things thus far.

Still waiting on those quotes you were gonna provide me with....

It's coming up. I prefer to be in real time when there are people around. I haven't forgotten though.

Zander? · February 3, 2016

But his reads list is so SO different to what I'm thinking it has me concerned. Admittedly some of my positions have clarified in the past couple of hours so it's not fair to judge him on that

ftr, I don't think disagreement on reads should elicit bad juju in itself. Lack of backing that up with a reasonable explanation should.

Do you feel this is the case Nyn? Are you caught up and if so do you have a reads list?

this conversation feels very familiar

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

Do you feel like this equates to his scum game, though? You're taking about how it's different from his usual town game. That's fine. But there's another comparison you failed to explore. Is this how he plays as scum, in your opinion? From what I can tell this is different from how he plays, period.

I haven't played with Zander for most of his scum games, so I'm working from memory as to how he seemed to me during those games, and this is the tone I remember from probably his first scum game. Not his latest though. Let's call him an enigma, and I'll move on if anything else presents itself or I get convinced he's town.

This response caused me to once again feel the emotion of humor.

My first scum game was Bellicheat where the vast majority had me as a Town read till I got into POE towards the end.

In baseball we refer to this as "Swing and a misssssss"

[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

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