[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[monstrman]

So if Nolder is scum he was bussed yesterday also by the way

[Eldrick4221]

I would be voting Nolder now too, if I could.

[Nolder]

Nolder I find it surprising that you are attacking hallia for softclaiming when I explicitly and loudly exclaimed multiple times that I didn't intend to claim at all

 

What's different about me?

There's nothing wrong with that.

 

Excepting very rare circumstances I don't claim anymore in games either.

[monstrman]

Final Vote Count!

 

Celeste - 2 - Hallia, dicetosser1

Turin Turambar - 6 - manbat, Csarmi, Shad, Lenlo, Zander, Celeste

Nolder - 4 - Sooh, Turin Turambar,  Calder, Alannalynn

 

 

If you have a discrepancy with this, PM me with your vote immediately.

Now, it's still possible celeste is lying which would make hallia and dice >rand town by default, I've changed my mind on shad and Csarmi I think I would lynch them Celeste-->Shad--->Csarmi pending results from celeste, but definitely not before the nolder voters, because if he's scum one of them is scum for certain also

[Nolder]

 

 

I was vanilla town last night.

I do have something to fall back on at least should I start getting run up. Not worried.

Are you denying these are soft claims?

 

*raises hand*

 

i also soft claimed

why vote Hally over me?

 

Either didn't read it or didn't recognize it for what it was.

If you'd like to take the heat first and spare Hallia just say so and I'll switch my vote.

[monstrman]

in fact, I kind of think one of the nolder voters is scum no matter what so

[monstrman]

 

Final Vote Count!

 

Celeste - 2 - Hallia, dicetosser1

Turin Turambar - 6 - manbat, Csarmi, Shad, Lenlo, Zander, Celeste

Nolder - 4 - Sooh, Turin Turambar,  Calder, Alannalynn

 

 

If you have a discrepancy with this, PM me with your vote immediately.

Now, it's still possible celeste is lying which would make hallia and dice >rand town by default, I've changed my mind on shad and Csarmi I think I would lynch them Celeste-->Shad--->Csarmi pending results from celeste, but definitely not before the nolder voters, because if he's scum one of them is scum for certain also

 

Maybe Celeste-->Csarmi--->Shad, cause I still think shad has been pretty villagery

[Nolder]

This seems especially concerning because it also makes me infer that you barely read my posts at all, so I'm curious nolder as to your reads outside of hallia.

I don't think you appreciate how far behind I am in the game compared to the rest of you.

Not just in pages read but also in terms of reads. I am trying to build on that as quickly as I can.

 

I have nothing to add in regards to others.

[monstrman]

Like just look at the nolder lynch and take in the names

 

You can just feel it when you think bout those players

 

I kind of think it's in alanna/calder

 

I guess I kind of feel like BFG doesn't really have a presence this game, but I can't recall what her previous town game was exactly like towards this point in the game so I can't really say I'm confident in this read, but I'm leaning town contrary to popular opinion

[monstrman]

Like just look at the nolder lynch and take in the names

 

You can just feel it when you think bout those players

 

I kind of think it's in alanna/calder

 

I guess I kind of feel like BFG doesn't really have a presence this game, but I can't recall what her previous town game was exactly like towards this point in the game so I can't really say I'm confident in this read, but I'm leaning town contrary to popular opinion

The BFG thing was because I remembered BFG voted celeste but it wasn't accounted for and somehow my brain just took off with it, but yeah that's how I feel anyway

[monstrman]

 

This seems especially concerning because it also makes me infer that you barely read my posts at all, so I'm curious nolder as to your reads outside of hallia.

I don't think you appreciate how far behind I am in the game compared to the rest of you.

Not just in pages read but also in terms of reads. I am trying to build on that as quickly as I can.

 

I have nothing to add in regards to others.

 

Just reread end of day yesterday and tell me who you think the wolf is on your wagon

[Eldrick4221]

I don't know why Calder is so convinced you are scum, manbat. You are towning it up imo.

[Nolder]

 

 

Hallow's potential soft claim D1 was really gross, and unwarranted. But it doesn't mean she actually had a claim. And trying to dig it out of you feels remarkably close to fishing.

 

If she had a role, what's your endgame here, Nolder? Do you think she's scum because of the soft claim? If so, do you have any other reasons to back that up with?

If she has a role it should come out into the open for all to judge.

 

I believe soft claiming, hinting, breadcrumbing, etc is either always scummy or ineffective.

You have to assume while doing these things (as town) that the people you don't want to catch on will catch on which 99% of the time defeats the entire purpose in the first place.

And that other 1% is very rarely worth the risk in the first place.

 

As scum...well it's obvious why scum would want townies to think they have a role.

I personally ignore soft claims. They are one of 3 things.

 

1. A VT thing to draw a kill.

2. An actual power role setting up a reveal if necessary in the future.

3. Scum trying to appear town.

 

2 of these 3 scenarios are town, and going after someone for this reason alone isn't towny.

 

1) She's not going to be drawing a kill. They can choose between an IC, a cop, and a vig.

 

2) Then she outed herself for absolutely no reason early in the game. This is doubtful.

 

3) This is the most likely imho.

[Nolder]

 

 

This seems especially concerning because it also makes me infer that you barely read my posts at all, so I'm curious nolder as to your reads outside of hallia.

I don't think you appreciate how far behind I am in the game compared to the rest of you.

Not just in pages read but also in terms of reads. I am trying to build on that as quickly as I can.

 

I have nothing to add in regards to others.

 

Just reread end of day yesterday and tell me who you think the wolf is on your wagon

 

You want me to just look at the train or do I need context?

[monstrman]

 

Like just look at the nolder lynch and take in the names

 

You can just feel it when you think bout those players

 

I kind of think it's in alanna/calder

 

I guess I kind of feel like BFG doesn't really have a presence this game, but I can't recall what her previous town game was exactly like towards this point in the game so I can't really say I'm confident in this read, but I'm leaning town contrary to popular opinion

The BFG thing was because I remembered BFG voted celeste but it wasn't accounted for and somehow my brain just took off with it, but yeah that's how I feel anyway

 

I also kind of realized this really doesn't make sense but that's just because I'm cautious and can't remember whether or not BFG is aggressive and I want to say in general from what I remember she's not

 

That said I'm unsure how she interpreted that I was less relaxed that normal if you take away my meltdown. I mean it makes sense in context so it's not really a case, but whatever

 

I don't want to lynch her today and who cares about tomorrow we'll figure it out then

[monstrman]

I don't know why Calder is so convinced you are scum, manbat. You are towning it up imo.

He's probably just a wolf

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Hallow's potential soft claim D1 was really gross, and unwarranted. But it doesn't mean she actually had a claim. And trying to dig it out of you feels remarkably close to fishing.

 

If she had a role, what's your endgame here, Nolder? Do you think she's scum because of the soft claim? If so, do you have any other reasons to back that up with?

If she has a role it should come out into the open for all to judge.

 

I believe soft claiming, hinting, breadcrumbing, etc is either always scummy or ineffective.

You have to assume while doing these things (as town) that the people you don't want to catch on will catch on which 99% of the time defeats the entire purpose in the first place.

And that other 1% is very rarely worth the risk in the first place.

 

As scum...well it's obvious why scum would want townies to think they have a role.

I personally ignore soft claims. They are one of 3 things.

 

1. A VT thing to draw a kill.

2. An actual power role setting up a reveal if necessary in the future.

3. Scum trying to appear town.

 

2 of these 3 scenarios are town, and going after someone for this reason alone isn't towny.

1) She's not going to be drawing a kill. They can choose between an IC, a cop, and a vig.

 

2) Then she outed herself for absolutely no reason early in the game. This is doubtful.

 

3) This is the most likely imho.

1) she soft claimed early d1. Before cop and vig claimed. She could be saving other roles then, once we didn't know about yet.

 

2) I agree.

 

3) she might be, but not by this alone.

[monstrman]

 

 

 

This seems especially concerning because it also makes me infer that you barely read my posts at all, so I'm curious nolder as to your reads outside of hallia.

I don't think you appreciate how far behind I am in the game compared to the rest of you.

Not just in pages read but also in terms of reads. I am trying to build on that as quickly as I can.

 

I have nothing to add in regards to others.

 

Just reread end of day yesterday and tell me who you think the wolf is on your wagon

 

You want me to just look at the train or do I need context?

 

Just the train and look at who voted you and why they voted you

 

I'm also willing to consider hallia as scum if I do become convinced you are town

[Eldrick4221]

Ones*

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

Hallow's potential soft claim D1 was really gross, and unwarranted. But it doesn't mean she actually had a claim. And trying to dig it out of you feels remarkably close to fishing.

 

If she had a role, what's your endgame here, Nolder? Do you think she's scum because of the soft claim? If so, do you have any other reasons to back that up with?

If she has a role it should come out into the open for all to judge.

 

I believe soft claiming, hinting, breadcrumbing, etc is either always scummy or ineffective.

You have to assume while doing these things (as town) that the people you don't want to catch on will catch on which 99% of the time defeats the entire purpose in the first place.

And that other 1% is very rarely worth the risk in the first place.

 

As scum...well it's obvious why scum would want townies to think they have a role.

I personally ignore soft claims. They are one of 3 things.

 

1. A VT thing to draw a kill.

2. An actual power role setting up a reveal if necessary in the future.

3. Scum trying to appear town.

 

2 of these 3 scenarios are town, and going after someone for this reason alone isn't towny.

1) She's not going to be drawing a kill. They can choose between an IC, a cop, and a vig.

 

2) Then she outed herself for absolutely no reason early in the game. This is doubtful.

 

3) This is the most likely imho.

1) she soft claimed early d1. Before cop and vig claimed. She could be saving other roles then, once we didn't know about yet.

 

2) I agree.

 

3) she might be, but not by this alone.

 

1) Point is they are never going to choose to kill Hallia before more obvious threats.

[Eldrick4221]

Doesn't make her scum for doing it, though. Soft claiming isn't alignment indicative.

[monstrman]

I kind of think Hallia is town regardless tbh

 

idk maybe she's owning me but I feel it in my zombie bones that she's not

[monstrman]

She has that "Don't you be talking smack bout me behind my back" air about her that I'm kind of a sucker for, for probably obvious reasons

[Nolder]

 

Final Vote Count!

 

Celeste - 2 - Hallia, dicetosser1

Turin Turambar - 6 - manbat, Csarmi, Shad, Lenlo, Zander, Celeste

Nolder - 4 - Sooh, Turin Turambar,  Calder, Alannalynn

 

 

If you have a discrepancy with this, PM me with your vote immediately.

 

Ok I looked at each vote really quick. 

None of them have a lot of meat to them so it's hard to say.

If I had to choose 1 wolf on my train it would be Calder.

Alanna I recall being pretty cool earlier in the game so she's probably fed up with me.

Sooh starting my train is practical, I've been inactive and unhelpful.

 

I don't know what Calder's angle is so that's why I'm picking him out.

He doesn't seem like the type to care about inactives or wanting to eliminate them early so why he's on my train is odd to me.

[Nolder]

Doesn't make her scum for doing it, though. Soft claiming isn't alignment indicative.

No, it's not.

But it's ill advised for town to do it imo which is why when someone does it I'm usually hard on them because I don't want a wolf slipping through the cracks.