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[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

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Celeste, how do you feel about wish aorn?

I should be asleep now but one last post  

 

The way she analyzed and never actually stopped scum hunting while defending herself is very town like for Wish. I feel even better than before about my read on her.

alannalynn Spam Master

alannalynn

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Csarmi (7) Cass Wish Kaylee Alanna Lenlo Zander Pizza

 

Kaylee on Csarmi:
Of note: Csarmi was the one feeding games to Pizza on her play-style.

Here a reads list "Csarmi- Null I have a real hard time reading him."

Here another mention after Pizza asks who she'd lynch:

"I'd like to bit honestly I'm not sure. I'd vote Csarmi then. I've given thoughts and reads. I just don't feel strongly enough about anyone to push a lynch. I won't just to save myself either. That wouldn't help town win. Unfortunately D1 is hard for me so I often struggle.
I'm following along and being aS active as I can. The only other I'm not sold on my list is Nolder. I'd like to not say as to why just yet as it depends on how he proceeds. "

Here she unvotes Turin after his claim says she'd vote him since she doesn't have much information on him.

Lists him in the current WTL and again and again and says he's a null POE who she'd vote and again (I've personally never wanted to lynch someone this badly whom I know nothing about and have no read on)

She asks Cass why she's voting Csarmi

"I can't remember what you've said about him" even though Kaylee has voiced intention of wanting to vote him and she has nothing on him.

 

"Csarmi: why shoud we not lynch you today?"

Still in her POE (post Kaylee case)

Happy that someone is town reading her: Csarmi

Comments on Nolder's reads list that she's not sold on Csarmi being town

As of this post, she still has Csarmi in her null POE but likes that he's reading her correctly. I find it hard to believe that she still has no read on Csarmi.

"So lynch me or someone who wants to keep me around? That's what this sounds like. " LINK

Is swayed to vote Csarmi based on his town lean of her after Pizza explains what he means by Csarmi feeding information and how it's suspicious. Feels easy

Vote on Csarmi

End of day she makes sure to push for a lynch, which is a good look, especially seeing as the main train was Csarmi.

Csarmi on Kaylee:
Reads Kaylee villa very early
"Kaylee looks villagery."
"Pure town!Kaylee process..." LINK

And after Pizza's case, he just starts flooding the thread with why Kaylee is town and wants to discredit the case.

Conclusion: Kaylee spewed town. Either she's town and was awkward about reading him and he was 100% about her to the point that he did himself in, or they're mafia together and didn't discuss how she would read him in the QT, she pretended to be put off by him town reading her, and Csarmi sunk two team members by defending her. Unlikely.

Shad_ Spam Master

Shad_

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Celeste, how do you feel about wish aorn?

I should be asleep now but one last post  

 

The way she analyzed and never actually stopped scum hunting while defending herself is very town like for Wish. I feel even better than before about my read on her.

 

 

Do you think her progression on Zander was natural?

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

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I want to be thorough, so I'll sit and think on the Csarmi-Kaylee thing.

 

My initial strong feeling about the matter was that Csarmi was unwilling to be responsible for being on the wrong side of history on Kaylee, so town-read her, but added fuel to my fire deliberately just in case I was a runaway train on Kaylee.

 

The opposing theory is that he wanted to try to persuade me that Kaylee was a villager when she was not.

 

I don't really believe the opposing theory and heavily favor the first option, but I still want to look at it closely first. When I've gotten rest.

alannalynn Spam Master

alannalynn

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I want to be thorough, so I'll sit and think on the Csarmi-Kaylee thing.

 

My initial strong feeling about the matter was that Csarmi was unwilling to be responsible for being on the wrong side of history on Kaylee, so town-read her, but added fuel to my fire deliberately just in case I was a runaway train on Kaylee.

 

The opposing theory is that he wanted to try to persuade me that Kaylee was a villager when she was not.

 

I don't really believe the opposing theory and heavily favor the first option, but I still want to look at it closely first. When I've gotten rest.

I know.. I almost put her light green precisely for this reason. But then if you think of their interactions it wouldn't really make any sense unless they planned it that way in the QT.

 

Kaylee: I"m going to be completely unsure about you and keep you in my null POE all game

Csarmi: I"m going to strongly townread you for no fudging reason

 

Makes no sense to me.

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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Yeah typically, you want to get more credit by suspecting and pushing one another.

 

Would be a neat trick to pull off one time in a game deliberately, just because it is so anti-analysis.

 

It's probably still -EV but it would cause the villagers to be headless chickens for a while.

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Askthepizzaguy

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I get nulling Csarmi. His game wasn't worthy of a strong villager read, so best bet would be to null him if you're not pushing him. Otherwise it causes questions.

 

The reciprocation... Csarmi strongly town-reading her, well, suppose Csarmi doesn't have a lot of time this game, and Kaylee is otherwise very pleasant and on a lot of people's good side. Probably want to at least try to keep her alive.

 

And defending your wolf partner can lead to town reads of them if you die, these days.

 

Doesn't need to be planned. This can happen on its own spontaneously.

 

Where that theory breaks down is that I really sense the motive for Csarmi shooting me all those links was to give me more ammo in going after a villager.

 

Because if his objective was to defend a scum Kaylee, he would find those links himself and cite a defense of Kaylee himself, which was strong, rather than relying on me to come to that conclusion myself.

 

If his objective is to defend a town Kaylee, but to "look helpful", he can give me those links. And I think it plays out more that way. That way he looks good if I lynch Kaylee and she's town.

 

Does he ever give me those links to look helpful, and simply state he thinks Kaylee is town, while Kaylee is his scum partner? I'm struggling to see that scenario.

 

It could benefit him either way. If Kaylee gets lynched, he contributed to it with the links. If Kaylee doesn't get lynched, because the links help me decide she's behaving normally, then Kaylee-partner stays alive.

 

But it's a stretch to think that's actually the planned outcome. It's also hard to view the entire sequence of events as an unplanned outcome between Kaylee-Csarmi w/w.

 

If it's really this easy then this day one is one of the better day one's I've seen on this site, despite all the struggling.

Shad_ Spam Master

Shad_

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The cat gif that I posted makes me really uncomfortable. I want to catch the kitty.

Declawing a cat is pretty mean. It's like cutting off someone's fingers. :\

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