[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Zander?]

Will return after going back to sleep and breakfast.

Also, people who have accused me (Zander/Turin), why do you refuse to read my past games that I've linked?

 

And Shad, will reply to what you've said earlier; however, it looks like past me has already addressed one of your questions/comments. Present me will do the rest. :D

 

 

Because I dont want to?  Do you feel thats alignment indicative?  Seriously tho.

[Zander?]

Zanny is such a nice girl.

 

10/10 would not lynch

 

 

yet

cause he's entertaining

 

seriously she's on fire

 

This Zan is on fire with passionate love

 

 

 

 

I hate you

[Nolder]

The reason I've been so closed about my reads, as I've told you all, is that I was hunting someone and didn't want to tip them off. That someone was Cass. I've been stalling for time because I wanted to build a better case for you all before presenting it because most people town read Cass early and I knew I was going to need a real solid case to convince anyone. I don't have that case. I have been waiting for Cass to post more so I could catch her but she's been MIA since the early game. I've decided it's better to just tell everyone where I'm at than stall any further because being closed about my reads is getting me scum read and I'm not even advancing my case on Cass. I'm sorry if the way I've been playing has frustrated some of you believe me I was frustrated too. So going forward I'll have to hunt Cass with her knowing I'm on the case. Which is fine I guess it's not like it's impossible to scumhunt that way I was just hoping she'd have her guard down if she thought everyone had her as clear. So there it is. In my next post I'll be talking about why I have everyone where they are on my list.

[Kaylee]

I caught up to page 50. Good lord, this is getting hard. 35 more to go? Doubt I will be able to read full before deadline.I still have Kaylee and Len as scum.I liked Shad's reasoning about Celeste being town because of Wish's comments on her. I don't think wish/celeste is w/w at all.

Why Len as scum? I don't remember sorry if you've given reasons

[Kaylee]

Page 83.  If Pizza is Scum he deserves to win this game.  Only way I EVEN consider voting him is if hes still alive coming down to end game.

I agree

[Zander?]

 

Page 83.  If Pizza is Scum he deserves to win this game.  Only way I EVEN consider voting him is if hes still alive coming down to end game.

That's unfortunate.

I'm still pretty convinced he's scum.

He came out of nowhere with this Kaylee thing because he suddenly "noticed" something but who was he going to case before that happened?

If Kaylee doesn't gain enough traction will he switch to his #2? Is he going to tunnel Kaylee now that he thinks he's got her?

 

There are a lot of aspects about his case I don't like.

And that's in addition to the other things I don't like about his play so far. 

 

 

 

I dunno man.

 

Ill look back at him obv.  But I guess Im not seeing what you are.

[Songstress]

MOD REMINDER:
 

1) This is a hammer game. Day phases will be set at approximately 48 hours, with a longer Day 1 and allowances given for weekends/holidays. If a majority is reached before the deadline, the phase will end. If no majority is reached by deadline, there will be no lynch and the game will proceed directly to night phase.

[Kaylee]

 

 

You seemed to trust my meta read on Wish earlier, at least to an extent.  What made it compelling in your opinion?

 

The fact that you took the time to read other games to get it. I'm torn on her because as Alanna said I too like how she's been responding regarding Zander. Put that with your meta read on her makes me think she's less likely scum. That leaves Celeste whom I rather give time to tell, Csarmi, Pral who's gaining traction (still want to hear from him though) as POE and Wish less likely. I won't vote Zander, Pizza, Shad, or Turin (due to the claim).

Pral I really want to answer about how he felt Turin was town telling when it wasn't seen by anyone else at that point.

Leno, Cass and Alanna I still feel as town though they have the best ability to fool me. Alanna esp is just really coming from a town POV and I don't see it being her.

Nol recently has been sounding town to me as well so thinking it's not likely him either.

 

 

Kay my personal biggest concern with you irt to youre reads is me.  I dont think youve ever seen me Scum before.  Why do you think players like Shad, Pizza and Alanna for example are putting the effort and or not giving me a lazy Town read is...BECAUSE THEYVE SEEN ME SCUM.  They know how I can replicate my Town game pretty damn well!!!!

 

I dont see how you can do that so easily my dear, like at all.  Also the same with Pizza who is a GOAT player and can pull almost anything out of his bag of tricks as either alignment.  Like Im not sure but have you played with him before?

Pizza felt genuine honestly. And his case on me just seals it. I haven't played with him before but read games.

 

Your both just making points I find I agreed with. Basically you're the ones I've seemed to find myself thinking like so trust.

[Kaylee]

 

 

I will give +10 villager points to the first person who does an ISO on Kaylee and spots the pattern that should not exist from a villager.

 

Plus ten, guys.

 

Look for me please. This is a request to all present.

 

Given up on finding scum and now trying to get me lynched?

Be prepared to be wrong. I'm looking forward to seeing what you "found". At best it'll prove D1 is tough for me as town.

 

 

thats just a bad comment

Yeah that's because I thought he'd have bogus reasons. He had made good ones though that I'm trying to fight. Don't want to just give up cuts that won't help anyone

[Kaylee]

About Kaylee: I'll go and ISO her. Her current behavior in thread (saying we're wrong and misguided) is not doing anything to make me feel better about her.

Csarmi is making effort to catch up, I quite like it.

I've admitted I've done badly. I'm not just saying "you're wrong!" I'm doing my best to say why.

[Kaylee]

Hello, I am here and have caught up (read everything). Currently am on mobile so cannot multiquote.

Okay, so it looks like people don't want to lynch Pralaya today. Is it to give him a chance as an inactive?

And irt Zander/Turin accusations about me: one being that I haven't been actually analyzing Celeste off her actual post content... It's because I can't really do that if she doesn't make post content. I can definitely go and ISO her, and this sounds like something you will not swallow, but I do not see the need to when I can read her off her first few posts. I've not been wrong about her town game in a long time. You can believe this or not. Unless I get a cookie and a pat on the head, there's no need to do this.

Zander accusations I've already addressed. Several times, over and over again.

hoping for more content from her. Yes on Pral.

[Kaylee]

 

SUMMARY:

She has shades of finding villagers in her village game, but her behavior pattern is still about 90% different than this game.

I do not buy she makes the progression from the two linked villager games, one of them from this past year, to this game.

She doesn't read like a villager who is not in the know in this game.

She's far less aggressive. She doesn't wield her vote like a cudgel like you're supposed to. She's not casing people really, or pushing them.

She's not paranoid enough. She's too linear.

Kaylee, you got some splainin to do.

 

Vote: Kaylee

 

I dunno...I see your point but I also think that a villager is capable of doing this.

Maybe she usually does struggle Day 1 but this game turned out to be an exception you know?

There are a lot of things that could explain this other than her being obvscum.

 

I'll wait to see what she has to say I guess.

More reason for me to think Town!Nol. If he's scum he could easily join Piazza here and it wouldn't be questioned.

[Kaylee]

 

 

@Pizza Is it her saying fair enough and not really having a stance on much. (Bah I should be asleep)

 

If so that's not a good one as I do that as either alignment... Speaking to the fair enough part. I have taken a stance on a lot actually so no. Please continue as this will be telling.

 

 

what stances have you really taken?

My town reads.

[Kaylee]

 

Page 83.  If Pizza is Scum he deserves to win this game.  Only way I EVEN consider voting him is if hes still alive coming down to end game.

 

That's unfortunate.

I'm still pretty convinced he's scum.

He came out of nowhere with this Kaylee thing because he suddenly "noticed" something but who was he going to case before that happened?

If Kaylee doesn't gain enough traction will he switch to his #2? Is he going to tunnel Kaylee now that he thinks he's got her?

 

There are a lot of aspects about his case I don't like.

And that's in addition to the other things I don't like about his play so far.

Guess we'll see where he goes out of I go down. Either way should be telling.

 

He was already going to ISO me as one of his POE.

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

The more I'm reading that ISO, the more it makes me think she's town. I dunno what you're seeing, but this is classic and pure town!Kaylee process here.

 

 

Then I definitely want to hear more from you after this part is done.

 

If you know Kaylee, you should be able to tell me after the reveal if it's rampant werewolf disease or completely normal Kaylee.

Still not a wolf. Actually I've been trying to as transparent as possible. I've kept emotions out for the most part and that's unlike me.

 

 

Kay my dear instead of just responding with Im Town and Im not a Wolf.  Try digging in some more to show it instead of just saying the words.

Trying but I'm lost on who not to trust.

[Kaylee]

Town

Csarmi

Alanna

Lenlo

 

Null

Xander

Turin (claims Doc)

Wish

Pral

Kaylee

Shad

 

Scum

Nomi

Celeste

Cass

I can see Cass fooling me. Csarmi I'm not add sold on being town. Other than that, and of course I have Pizza as town, I like it.

[Zander?]

 

 

The point is that we should be able to count on fellow town members to be here when we need them. If they can't do that, or are scum, we should lynch them. But FFS, let them get caught up and give them a chance first, please.

 

prolly a post Town!Alanna makes.  Cause jumping on inactives is a pretty easy thing for Scum to do on D1.

 

Here we go...

 

Go ahead and just use me as a punching bag.

No, really all of you just get it over.

Because this is the last god damn game I will even talk about inactives with anyone.

The next time anyone even thinks about saying "oh but Nolder usually pushes inactives so it's weird for him not to" don't because I will tell you to shut the hell up.

 

I don't mind it being my meta that I push inactives but not the way you all treat me because of it.

You expect me to do this thing which gets me bitched at and/or lynched almost every game I do it in and now if I don't do it it's weird and I'm off my meta.

Well now you know why I stopped pushing inactives in most cases because this is what happens.

 

You can all just policy lynch me from now on I don't care. I'm done.

 

 

WHOA PUMP THE BRAKES BROTHER!!!!

 

 

this is a huge overreaction Nol.  I didnt even mention you i was making a point in general there.

[Pralaya]

 

I caught up to page 50. Good lord, this is getting hard. 35 more to go? Doubt I will be able to read full before deadline.

 

I still have Kaylee and Len as scum.

 

I liked Shad's reasoning about Celeste being town because of Wish's comments on her. I don't think wish/celeste is w/w at all.

 

 

Why Kay and Len?

 

I have covered my read of Kay in the last couple of posts.

 

I did not like Len's Celeste vote under the pretext of reaction testing. Like I said it was around the time nobody was voting and someone had to be pushed. Also, I definitely didn't like his vote on me. Maybe OMGUS after I suspected him? But, didn't look genuine - going for the easy lynch,

 

And, sorry man. I am not able to catch up with the pace of the thread. I can do only so much per day. As the game slows down, if I am alive, I will contribute more.

[Zander?]

 

All the other points in my case against her (the detailed ISO) still stand as well.

 

My thinking is, she's playing the diplomat and mediator role, and has been doing so all game as a way of avoiding getting on people's bad sides.

 

She is playing at her self-described weakness at solving on day one, but in the past two villager games linked by Csarmi, she was far more aggressive in each one.

 

Therefore she's using it as an excuse, rather than it actually being a reason, for her lack of assertiveness.

 

She's buttering us up. Trying to pocket people.

OMG no I'm not! Just having an off game.

 

 

 

But can you at least see where hes coming from my dear?

[Kaylee]

Doesn't make me want to change my view on Len.

[Kaylee]

Zander: yes and I've said as much

[Nolder]

While I'm writing my post.

 

[unvote]

 

I know Lenlo is going to drop his vote anyway since he apparently didn't even want to vote Pral in the first place.

No point in wasting my vote.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:
 
Turin (1): Laine
Wish (2): Zander, Turin
Csarmi (1): Cass
Pral (2): Wish, Lenlo

Kaylee (1): Pizza

Not voting (6): Shad, Csarmi, Pral, Celeste, Kaylee, Nolder

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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.
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[Nolder]

Alanna are you going to lynch our claimed Doc?

 

Cass where are you?

 

Nomi will you move your vote if no one else wants to lynch Kaylee? Who will you vote if you do?

[Kaylee]

Alanna are you going to lynch our claimed Doc?

 

Cass where are you?

 

Nomi will you move your vote if no one else wants to lynch Kaylee? Who will you vote if you do?

Good questions. I look forward to answers.

 

I hadn't realized Laine wad still voting Turin.