[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

@ Wish

Laine hasn't done anything wrong, per se, but I've got too many people high on my list for her to be dark green.

Using your scale she should be light green imo. If she's a wolf that might explain why I'm struggling so damned hard.

I think Cass should be higher.

I think Nolder should stop screwing around. Otherwise yeah, that list looks okay. But my reads are changing due to the Iso process. I'm going to see things I didn't notice before. So I don't know. Let me get back to you.

You think Nolder is screwing around?

Hmm... I just really like Lainey standing up for Penny and me, and at least attempting to answer me/being patient with me...

Cass I'm mostly meta/tone-reading. It feels like she's done a lot of work, but I don't really remember how it's been impacting the game progression.

Celeste · January 5, 2016

@ Wish

Laine hasn't done anything wrong, per se, but I've got too many people high on my list for her to be dark green.

Using your scale she should be light green imo. If she's a wolf that might explain why I'm struggling so damned hard.

I think Cass should be higher.

I think Nolder should stop screwing around. Otherwise yeah, that list looks okay. But my reads are changing due to the Iso process. I'm going to see things I didn't notice before. So I don't know. Let me get back to you.

The thing that makes me iffy with Nolder is this reminds me of Rustlemania and how he pushed Razen.

Zander? · January 5, 2016

I want to lynch between these three today: Pral, Celeste, Nomi.

Im sure you may have mentioned this man but can you touch on why you think Pizza is scum please? Also is that list in any sort of order?

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Pral is absent.

I'm fine with a lynch on an inactive but that's all that is.

Csarmi is almost in the same bag.

No idea why Lenlo is on your list.

I've been distant so this makes sense I guess, I don't want to be lynched though please.

And Kaylee I don't have many notes on but she's positive for me so dunno what you found lynchworthy.

Lenlo is on my list because I'd rather lynch him than the others I said I would not lynch.

Kaylee has been more distant than not, as well. I would like to see her speak more and also I don't really like that she said that Penny's reads list was effort. It seemed to me to be a reward for behavior that had been forced. (I personally don't like forcing people to play outside their meta, as it makes it harder for me to read them)

(btw, Pizza, Penny doesn't really do effort that well. She is often a one-liner, so that's probably why you felt that something was off)

Ive said the same thing and more about Penny's lack of effort. Why is it different for me to do so?

It's not different...? I was agreeing with you.

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Cass is skating on early goodwill, but it was just that good that I haven't really picked up that ball in a while.

I'd be very impressed.

That's why I have her down as lower.

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Well Wish hun you don't seem to like anything else said so no surprise there.

As I've said I'm not giving up just seem to be at bottom of a few POE's. I know I'm town but I'm not sure who to vote. Which doesn't help.

Eh, sorry. I'm hard to please.

No worries just frustrated with myself for not having a better handle on things.

Okay. I'll try to be patient :3

Zander? · January 5, 2016

Lenny ISO Pt 3

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.
I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.
Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

2 things of note for me:

1- Another gut read comment

2- The "I have nothing on Shad he hasnt appeared to talk to me yet" I mean what you cant ascertain info on someone UNLESS they talk to you directly....doesnt make sense to me.

1- Already replied to this. It's irrelevant.

2- It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you. If someone doesn't directly interact with me, I cannot tell if something is off or not. For me, it's harder to do it from a non-involved position of looking in from the outside. And I prefer to be involved.

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.
I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.
Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

I'm liking Cass, you, Pizza, maybe Lainey.

Reservations on calling Shad town or scum until he comes back to defend himself.

Lenlo and Kaylee are slightly towny for now.

Other people need to stop ignoring me and talk to me.

You did give some reasons for your read of Penny but what about the rest...lazy reads with no reasoning, And again with the "people not talking to me" sounds like an excuse for not giving a read.

Uhhhh

I've been called out for this many times before. When I read the thread, I post my notes in the thread. Stream of consciousness posting. You may read if you like, because I like to show my progression of reads. Please ask Penny about the player named Earthious. In fact, I do a very similar thing as compared to her. The reason I don't post my reasons is because I'm not sure yet of my reads, as they can change even as I'm writing up a post. I may start writing a post, but as I'm thinking about it, my read on player x changes because I approach them in a different way, or something they post right before I post causes me to change my reads. It's difficult for me to post a reason every single time I make a read, as even a very small action can cause my read of someone to change. That's why I prefer to stick to gut, because those reads do not change.

From what I've read so far, you just have a very fundamental dislike of my playstyle, and I think we can agree to disagree about what's scummy.

Not quoting Turin/Pizza, but huh...

Two different interpretations of the same scenario - Pizza felt that the Shad explanation/reaction to the meta thing was towny, while Turin felt that it was scummy.

These are gut feels, right? No real basis? If not, please explain. The post rang null to me personally, but uhh, I would like to know why you think this.

I went into it, the reason I have is that it lacks a motive.

I feel almost every post a scumbag does has a motive or a reason to manipulate someone.

If hes scum he's got an idea of what to say there that advances his agenda.

It's not particularly strong as a tell but it's more than null to me.

Hmmmm

Okay, I think that makes sense to me. I actually find that lacking a motive is kind of scummy... It makes me think of scum who wait on the sidelines while town flounders about.

Imma make my own estimation of things that have happened around Shad, but I don't particularly like rereading. I will do it, though. Switching to laptop.

IMHO- Scum tend to have motives....townies try to figure out alignments.

Again, disagreement that is arbitrary.

@ wish-tree

That's valid, but do you think that's what Shad has been doing all round? Or most of it, or is his main motivation so far today?

I hadn't gotten that impression. What do you see when you look beyond that one post?

Keep in mind it was page 1. There will be a lot of posts on page 1 and many of the early pages which lack a motive. Most of the first few pages are garbage posts.

I read them anyway just in case. Shad was an exception to my usual nulls that early.

Getting back to this. Sorry, was distracted by another game.

Dont like excuses. You mention this more then once. Like I caught with Shad in WE....not disputing RL stuff or calling you a liar but the MORE times a person FEELS the need to make excuses is because they're usually not Town and are trying to hide somewhat behind them.

I always feel the need to make excuses if I am not posting as much as I would like to. I think it's unfair to the mod(s) and the other players for me not to be putting my full effort into a game.

I completely disagree. I think its quite relevant and your dismissal of it is telling imo.

Ok this is YET ANOTHER CONTRADICTION FROM YOU....you said you pegged the entire GAME for SPEC CHAT!!!! No one interacted with you there now did they Lenny!!!! BBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

See above response.

Dont throw big words at me to try and confuse me!!!! lololololololol

Ive touched on the excuses part more then enough this game. Add that to everything else Ive brought up you i feel it certainly is telling.

1. I already addressed this... so it is not relevant anymore.

2. I did. But if I'm in a game, I do not want to be playing as if I'M IN SPEC CHAT. Which I'm not.

3. See above response.

4. *facepalm*

5. Look, I do this as any alignment. You cannot build a case off this.

www.idowhatiwant.com/likeaboss

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Lenny ISO Pt 3

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.
I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.
Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

2 things of note for me:

1- Another gut read comment

2- The "I have nothing on Shad he hasnt appeared to talk to me yet" I mean what you cant ascertain info on someone UNLESS they talk to you directly....doesnt make sense to me.

1- Already replied to this. It's irrelevant.

2- It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you. If someone doesn't directly interact with me, I cannot tell if something is off or not. For me, it's harder to do it from a non-involved position of looking in from the outside. And I prefer to be involved.

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.
I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.
Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

I'm liking Cass, you, Pizza, maybe Lainey.

Reservations on calling Shad town or scum until he comes back to defend himself.

Lenlo and Kaylee are slightly towny for now.

Other people need to stop ignoring me and talk to me.

You did give some reasons for your read of Penny but what about the rest...lazy reads with no reasoning, And again with the "people not talking to me" sounds like an excuse for not giving a read.

Uhhhh

I've been called out for this many times before. When I read the thread, I post my notes in the thread. Stream of consciousness posting. You may read if you like, because I like to show my progression of reads. Please ask Penny about the player named Earthious. In fact, I do a very similar thing as compared to her. The reason I don't post my reasons is because I'm not sure yet of my reads, as they can change even as I'm writing up a post. I may start writing a post, but as I'm thinking about it, my read on player x changes because I approach them in a different way, or something they post right before I post causes me to change my reads. It's difficult for me to post a reason every single time I make a read, as even a very small action can cause my read of someone to change. That's why I prefer to stick to gut, because those reads do not change.

From what I've read so far, you just have a very fundamental dislike of my playstyle, and I think we can agree to disagree about what's scummy.

Not quoting Turin/Pizza, but huh...

Two different interpretations of the same scenario - Pizza felt that the Shad explanation/reaction to the meta thing was towny, while Turin felt that it was scummy.

These are gut feels, right? No real basis? If not, please explain. The post rang null to me personally, but uhh, I would like to know why you think this.

I went into it, the reason I have is that it lacks a motive.

I feel almost every post a scumbag does has a motive or a reason to manipulate someone.

If hes scum he's got an idea of what to say there that advances his agenda.

It's not particularly strong as a tell but it's more than null to me.

Hmmmm

Okay, I think that makes sense to me. I actually find that lacking a motive is kind of scummy... It makes me think of scum who wait on the sidelines while town flounders about.

Imma make my own estimation of things that have happened around Shad, but I don't particularly like rereading. I will do it, though. Switching to laptop.

IMHO- Scum tend to have motives....townies try to figure out alignments.

Again, disagreement that is arbitrary.

@ wish-tree

That's valid, but do you think that's what Shad has been doing all round? Or most of it, or is his main motivation so far today?

I hadn't gotten that impression. What do you see when you look beyond that one post?

Keep in mind it was page 1. There will be a lot of posts on page 1 and many of the early pages which lack a motive. Most of the first few pages are garbage posts.

I read them anyway just in case. Shad was an exception to my usual nulls that early.

Getting back to this. Sorry, was distracted by another game.

Dont like excuses. You mention this more then once. Like I caught with Shad in WE....not disputing RL stuff or calling you a liar but the MORE times a person FEELS the need to make excuses is because they're usually not Town and are trying to hide somewhat behind them.

I always feel the need to make excuses if I am not posting as much as I would like to. I think it's unfair to the mod(s) and the other players for me not to be putting my full effort into a game.

I completely disagree. I think its quite relevant and your dismissal of it is telling imo.

Ok this is YET ANOTHER CONTRADICTION FROM YOU....you said you pegged the entire GAME for SPEC CHAT!!!! No one interacted with you there now did they Lenny!!!! BBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

See above response.

Dont throw big words at me to try and confuse me!!!! lololololololol

Ive touched on the excuses part more then enough this game. Add that to everything else Ive brought up you i feel it certainly is telling.

1. I already addressed this... so it is not relevant anymore.

2. I did. But if I'm in a game, I do not want to be playing as if I'M IN SPEC CHAT. Which I'm not.

3. See above response.

4. *facepalm*

5. Look, I do this as any alignment. You cannot build a case off this.

www.idowhatiwant.com/likeaboss

I feel like you're just trolling me now.

Askthepizzaguy · January 5, 2016

PS Kaylee I'm a little bit tickled by the fact that in order to ISO your posts and distinguish them from people simply saying your name, or the mod's location of Arizona, I'm searching for the phrase "oh so hot".

Somewhere, Dice felt a great disturbance in the force.

Kaylee · January 5, 2016

Pralaya, I understand you're still catching up, but something still bothers me about you.

No one else has read Turin as town based on his posting within the first 20ish or so pages. How are you doing this?

This may be just my paranoia, but it seems to me that it's easier to look at his hardclaim and then read everyone else in relation to that hardclaim.

I agree with this question.

Cass · January 5, 2016

Still catching up. Cory's system doing my head in.

[v]Csarmi[/v] though.

Zander? · January 5, 2016

Ok, transitioning back from dedicated time mode to posting as I work mode, will try to do more ISOs tonight.

Some of you follow me up on wish's scum ISOs. I want second opinions on this.

I will find the links to those games and give them to you. If you would like, you can also read my last few scum turbos from Mafia Universe.

Lenny ISO Pt 4

Turin and Zander -- talk to me! This means you!
hello?

What you wanna talk about?

I have zilch reads on you. We need to interact for this to happen.

Actually, rereading the Zander posts, kinda like where he's heading. I like that he's questioning me.

This was what I was talking about with Penny and myself...she wants to Town read us or give us Town points for sussing her.....but just wait a sec in this post and see where I my problem is coming from.....

I've already addressed this issue up there. It's one part of my own meta that I need to work on.

My quotes are broken. T.T

Anyway, Zander and anyone else who asks about Penny's unvote of Cass, it's acknowledging that it's a joke vote. Otherwise she would have pushed through with it.

It wasnt the vote it was the timing...and the otherwise she would have pushed through with it comment is strange....the whole Penny/Lenny back and forth is strange. I know they are friends and have a good rapport like me and Cory say. But this just feels off imo.

Lol... This rapport thing happens often when we're both town and we both know it.

For one thing, Zander

I'm Lenny..

Secondly

Contradictions are not inherently scummy. I think you're trying too hard to pull at straws, but that in itself isn't scummy.

I clarified why I tone read and hate it. It works, so I do it. I'd much rather prefer to use my brain, but that often leads to WIFOM. Also, I'd like for a chance to use my brain, thank you very much. Going to reread the Shad bit, because I am not convinced atm.

I still want to town read you, but this kind of nitpicking/TMI makes me a little reluctant. I admit that there's some confirmation bias, because I have a tendency to town-read people who call me town.

The whole grasping at straws/nit picking/TMI comments Ive commented on and I still dont get where shes coming from with that but what I wanted to point out is the bold. Yet another contradiction here cause youre doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE with Penny and myself..... And also have you ever heard of #POCKETING

I HAVE HEARD OF POCKETING. THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH MY OWN PLAY THAT I AM CONSISTENTLY TRYING TO FIX.

Also, @Zander

I believe I've answered all your questions except for why I read Kayley/Lenlo as slight town.

The reason for that is a lean, as I've mentioned before. I'm going to attempt to explain it, but as I've mentioned before, it's little things that I notice that cause me to develop these reads.

brb

OK why not those 2? Gotta try to think of something....????

WHAT???

Because it seems as if you don't want my explanations, and that I have to iso them in order for me to make sense to you? Yeesh, I thought I was the thinker here :P

All you respond with here is oh "its my Meta I need to work on it" Pretty cop out responses imo.

Zander's Personality Test Result:

http://www.16personalities.com/enfp-personality

I know that you're an ENFP

WHAT ELSE DO YOU EXPECT ME TO SAY IF THAT'S THE TRUTH?

The truth is what YOU make it...but that still doesnt make it necessarily true. Im just not buying what youre selling Lenny.

Cass · January 5, 2016

Anyone wanna chat in real time?

Kaylee · January 5, 2016

PS Kaylee I'm a little bit tickled by the fact that in order to ISO your posts and distinguish them from people simply saying your name, or the mod's location of Arizona, I'm searching for the phrase "oh so hot".

Somewhere, Dice felt a great disturbance in the force.

This made me giggle

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Ok, transitioning back from dedicated time mode to posting as I work mode, will try to do more ISOs tonight.

Some of you follow me up on wish's scum ISOs. I want second opinions on this.

I will find the links to those games and give them to you. If you would like, you can also read my last few scum turbos from Mafia Universe.

Lenny ISO Pt 4

Turin and Zander -- talk to me! This means you!
hello?

What you wanna talk about?

I have zilch reads on you. We need to interact for this to happen.

Actually, rereading the Zander posts, kinda like where he's heading. I like that he's questioning me.

This was what I was talking about with Penny and myself...she wants to Town read us or give us Town points for sussing her.....but just wait a sec in this post and see where I my problem is coming from.....

I've already addressed this issue up there. It's one part of my own meta that I need to work on.

My quotes are broken. T.T

Anyway, Zander and anyone else who asks about Penny's unvote of Cass, it's acknowledging that it's a joke vote. Otherwise she would have pushed through with it.

It wasnt the vote it was the timing...and the otherwise she would have pushed through with it comment is strange....the whole Penny/Lenny back and forth is strange. I know they are friends and have a good rapport like me and Cory say. But this just feels off imo.

Lol... This rapport thing happens often when we're both town and we both know it.

For one thing, Zander

I'm Lenny..

Secondly

Contradictions are not inherently scummy. I think you're trying too hard to pull at straws, but that in itself isn't scummy.

I clarified why I tone read and hate it. It works, so I do it. I'd much rather prefer to use my brain, but that often leads to WIFOM. Also, I'd like for a chance to use my brain, thank you very much. Going to reread the Shad bit, because I am not convinced atm.

I still want to town read you, but this kind of nitpicking/TMI makes me a little reluctant. I admit that there's some confirmation bias, because I have a tendency to town-read people who call me town.

The whole grasping at straws/nit picking/TMI comments Ive commented on and I still dont get where shes coming from with that but what I wanted to point out is the bold. Yet another contradiction here cause youre doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE with Penny and myself..... And also have you ever heard of #POCKETING

I HAVE HEARD OF POCKETING. THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH MY OWN PLAY THAT I AM CONSISTENTLY TRYING TO FIX.

Also, @Zander

I believe I've answered all your questions except for why I read Kayley/Lenlo as slight town.

The reason for that is a lean, as I've mentioned before. I'm going to attempt to explain it, but as I've mentioned before, it's little things that I notice that cause me to develop these reads.

brb

OK why not those 2? Gotta try to think of something....????

WHAT???

Because it seems as if you don't want my explanations, and that I have to iso them in order for me to make sense to you? Yeesh, I thought I was the thinker here :P

All you respond with here is oh "its my Meta I need to work on it" Pretty cop out responses imo.

Zander's Personality Test Result:

http://www.16personalities.com/enfp-personality

I know that you're an ENFP

WHAT ELSE DO YOU EXPECT ME TO SAY IF THAT'S THE TRUTH?

The truth is what YOU make it...but that still doesnt make it necessarily true. Im just not buying what youre selling Lenny.

Too bad. I don't know if it's worthwhile trying to convince you.

Kaylee · January 5, 2016

Still catching up. Cory's system doing my head in.

[v]Csarmi[/v] though.

Why? I can't remember what you've said about him.

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Anyone wanna chat in real time?

Of course.

Thoughts about Nolder/Pizza?

Pralaya's Turin read?

Kaylee?

csarmi vote?

Kaylee · January 5, 2016

Ok heading out soon, will be back later

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

also, does anyone have any Zander advice for me?

I really hate how he's tunneling me, but I can't see him as anything other than Town

Celeste · January 5, 2016

@Pizza http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=2011

Zander? · January 5, 2016

Zander, you're being too stubborn and aggressively tunneling me for something that is a fundamental disagreement in thinking processes.

I don't get the same experience with the game if I act that I am detached from it.

Ya Ive been told Im stubborn once or twice before. I attack Scum...its how I roll. You call it a fundamnetal disagreement in thinking processes I think its just that were not playing on the same team my dear,

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Ok heading out soon, will be back later

see ya

I should leave in an hour

wish-tree · January 5, 2016

Zander, you're being too stubborn and aggressively tunneling me for something that is a fundamental disagreement in thinking processes.

I don't get the same experience with the game if I act that I am detached from it.

Ya Ive been told Im stubborn once or twice before. I attack Scum...its how I roll. You call it a fundamnetal disagreement in thinking processes I think its just that were not playing on the same team my dear,

continue to think that

and learn to read me (after you learn how to read)

Sooh · January 5, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Celeste(1): Lenlo

Turin (2): Askthepizzaguy, Laine,

Wish (2): Zander, Turin

Csarmi (1): Cass

Not voting (7): Shad, Csarmi, Wish, Pral, Celeste, Nolder, Kaylee

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160106T22&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+One&font=cursive&csz=1

Nolder · January 5, 2016

Ok, I caught upto 30 pages. Not able to do more than that per day.

So far, I have a feeling Turin is town. Based on my experience with him, his vote on Shad seems towny. It is usually the sort of reason he votes but as scum, he is not that straightforward.

So is Nolder. The whole reaction test thing that he did and his insistence to play the way he wants to play says town.

I am fine with Zander and SHad too. Zander is more subtle as scum which I don't see in this game.

Pizza, I only have a couple of games with him and the tone I am seeing is townish.

I am not feeling good about Kaylee. She seems to get convinced very easily - I noticed at least a couple of instance - feeling as if she is trying to get townie points. Playing a very safe game.

The interesting thing that I could see is that people were hardly voting till page 24 or so. Turin had a vote, Cass had a joke vote and it was more of discussions. It was almost as if the scum was itching to either follow an easy vote or start a train. THen Lenlo votes Celeste and gives a vibe as if he is testing something. And, Celeste votes Shad (who already had one vote). BOth these sounded a bit forced at that point in game. Don't see them both as wolf.

Reads upto page 30:

Turin

Nolder

Zander

Pizza

Shad

Alanna

Csarmi

Cass

Wish

Lenlo/Celeste

Kaylee

Not bad.

Not great...but not bad.

Keep this up and I'll take your lynch off the table.

You're overstating your point about me and Celeste, Nolder.

I never had her below -1 on my leans. I had Sooh and Lenlo in the deep negatives last game.

This tinfoil leads nowhere good. Stay on course and look at my Celeste Iso.

Post #136 you have her as "null". Post #605 you have her as -1.

I don't care if Celeste is your top pick for scum or not you have her on a downward trend and agree with the basic statement "she appears scummy".

And that's all I've said.

If you're upset that I repeated it, I did so for Wish's benefit.

@ Wish

Laine hasn't done anything wrong, per se, but I've got too many people high on my list for her to be dark green.

Using your scale she should be light green imo. If she's a wolf that might explain why I'm struggling so damned hard.

I think Cass should be higher.

I think Nolder should stop screwing around. Otherwise yeah, that list looks okay. But my reads are changing due to the Iso process. I'm going to see things I didn't notice before. So I don't know. Let me get back to you.

The thing that makes me iffy with Nolder is this reminds me of Rustlemania and how he pushed Razen.

I have no memory of that game.

Can you link me and/or remind me what exactly your comparing between the two games?

How did I act there that's similar to here? And I'm assuming it's a bad thing right?

I want to lynch between these three today: Pral, Celeste, Nomi.

Im sure you may have mentioned this man but can you touch on why you think Pizza is scum please? Also is that list in any sort of order?

I did mention this and if I mention it again it might give Nomi an aneurysm.

No that list isn't ordered but there's another list I posted shortly after that is.

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