[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Oh wait you were talking to Xander lol.

Nevermind continue with your discussion.

 

Seriously though if you guys want to lynch Nomi I'll be over here.

lol

okay

 

can you tell me why?

I think I asked you before, but not sure if I missed it or not. If so, apologies.

 

A big part of it is I don't like his position on Celeste.

He agrees she appears scummy but doesn't want to lynch her.

So if that's how he feels I think he could buy her an extra day with his own life.

See how he feels about it then eh?

 

Hmmm...

I've been saying that Celeste appears scummy to you guys and I don't want to lynch her, because I've learned that when she looks scummy in comparison to other people, she's town.

 

The whole opposite day thing.

 

I don't find that scummy, actually. Any other reasons?

 

That's fine that you don't find her scummy but consider that other find her scummy and that Nomi also finds her scummy but doesn't want to lynch her.

Don't you think that's odd? Just pretend it's anyone. Person A says they find person B scummy but doesn't want to lynch them.

That's not normal mafia play.

[Nolder]

 

I haven't been following this conversation closely but if he's made up his mind not much you can do Wish.

Stop wasting time convincing him and try to convince others, just sayin.

 

Okay, I got it.

 

Do you have anything you want me to answer?

 

How do you feel about Shad and Cass?

[wish-tree]

 

Reads upto page 30:

 

Turin

Nolder

Zander

 

Pizza

Shad

 

Alanna

Csarmi

Cass

Wish

 

Lenlo/Celeste

Kaylee

 

Oh, hi, Pralaya

 

Could you explain what I've highlighted in blue?

 

Have you missed it? Turin hardclaimed doc.

[Pralaya]

The blue ones are null/conflicted. 

 

And, no. I am still in page 30

[wish-tree]

 

 

I haven't been following this conversation closely but if he's made up his mind not much you can do Wish.

Stop wasting time convincing him and try to convince others, just sayin.

 

Okay, I got it.

 

Do you have anything you want me to answer?

 

How do you feel about Shad and Cass?

 

Don't want to lynch them, especially after Cass's opening and other reasons I've pointed out so far. It is mostly meta that I'm reading her off of. 

 

I like Shad, but earlier I was uncertain about him as well as Lenlo, after their interaction. In fact, his turning point for me was starting to reply to me in thread and then going into my past games to look for clues like Celeste had suggested. I don't think a wolf does that. 

[wish-tree]

The blue ones are null/conflicted. 

 

And, no. I am still in page 30

 

Okay. I'll be here, lmk how I can help.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're overstating your point about me and Celeste, Nolder.

 

I never had her below -1 on my leans. I had Sooh and Lenlo in the deep negatives last game.

 

This tinfoil leads nowhere good. Stay on course and look at my Celeste Iso.

[Kaylee]

 

Ok, I caught upto 30 pages. Not able to do more than that per day.

 

So far, I have a feeling Turin is town. Based on my experience with him, his vote on Shad seems towny. It is usually the sort of reason he votes but as scum, he is not that straightforward.

So is Nolder. The whole reaction test thing that he did and his insistence to play the way he wants to play says town.

 

I am fine with Zander and SHad too. Zander is more subtle as scum which I don't see in this game.

Pizza, I only have a couple of games with him and the tone I am seeing is townish.

 

I am not feeling good about Kaylee. She seems to get convinced very easily - I noticed at least a couple of instance - feeling as if she is trying to get townie points. Playing a very safe game.

 

The interesting thing that I could see is that people were hardly voting till page 24 or so. Turin had a vote, Cass had a joke vote and it was more of discussions. It was almost as if the scum was itching to either follow an easy vote or start a train. THen Lenlo votes Celeste and gives a vibe as if he is testing something. And, Celeste votes Shad (who already had one vote). BOth these sounded a bit forced at that point in game. Don't see them both as wolf.

Kay admitted she's lost and sometimes sheeps her town leans.

 

Nice of you to give thoughts though.

 

Honestly I'm fine is I'm lynch. I'm lost on who to vote, haven't been able to contribute much and it might help the town win by eliminating an unknown. I'm nor giving up just pointing out facts.

[wish-tree]

 

Ok, I caught upto 30 pages. Not able to do more than that per day.

 

So far, I have a feeling Turin is town. Based on my experience with him, his vote on Shad seems towny. It is usually the sort of reason he votes but as scum, he is not that straightforward.

So is Nolder. The whole reaction test thing that he did and his insistence to play the way he wants to play says town.

 

I am fine with Zander and SHad too. Zander is more subtle as scum which I don't see in this game.

Pizza, I only have a couple of games with him and the tone I am seeing is townish.

 

I am not feeling good about Kaylee. She seems to get convinced very easily - I noticed at least a couple of instance - feeling as if she is trying to get townie points. Playing a very safe game.

 

The interesting thing that I could see is that people were hardly voting till page 24 or so. Turin had a vote, Cass had a joke vote and it was more of discussions. It was almost as if the scum was itching to either follow an easy vote or start a train. THen Lenlo votes Celeste and gives a vibe as if he is testing something. And, Celeste votes Shad (who already had one vote). BOth these sounded a bit forced at that point in game. Don't see them both as wolf.

Kay admitted she's lost and sometimes sheeps her town leans.

 

Nice of you to give thoughts though.

 

Honestly I'm fine is I'm lynch. I'm lost on who to vote, haven't been able to contribute much and it might help the town win by eliminating an unknown. I'm nor giving up just pointing out facts.

 

really don't like to see this kind of post :/

but okay.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kaylee was next on the bottom of my list (which I hadn't updated for half the game)

 

So I'm doing the same iso procedure on Kaylee.

 

This can take an hour or so. No idea how long I was doing Celeste's. BRB

[Kaylee]

Well Wish hun you don't seem to like anything else said so no surprise there.

 

As I've said I'm not giving up just seem to be at bottom of a few POE's. I know I'm town but I'm not sure who to vote. Which doesn't help.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've give you my best look, okay Kay?

 

Kay, I think the struggle is the wolves are hard to find today.

 

Try looking at someone mid-tier, someone who looks townie and see if you can't re-examine them.

 

If you are a villager and Celeste is a villager and Turin is the doctor then the wolves are safely embedded in people's green lists or they're not posting at all.

 

Look at someone who is nearly consensus green or green-null. Just need extra sets of eyes. Tell me what you find.

 

Even if every villager wants to lynch you, and you're a villager, just remember- you'll flip villager.

 

Show them what they need to look at next. Who to look at next.

 

It will be a challenge. But it's way better than throwing in the towel. I'm doing dozens of hours of work on this game and I don't want any of my teammates waving the white flag. We're winning this game every moment of every day until the moment the wolves have majority.

[wish-tree]

Kaylee was next on the bottom of my list (which I hadn't updated for half the game)

 

So I'm doing the same iso procedure on Kaylee.

 

This can take an hour or so. No idea how long I was doing Celeste's. BRB

Okay.

 

Here's my list, lmk what you think of it. I really don't like reading Turin as town, because afaict he hasn't done anything very towny besides his claim, but meh. The lore seems right and all. Bah.

 

Turin :/

 

Celeste

Pizza

Lainey

Shad

 

Cass

Zander

 

Lenlo

Kaylee

 

Nolder

Pralaya

csarmi

[Kaylee]

Btw I'll be gone for awhile. I don't leave for another 15-30 mins so if anyone has any questions I'm here

[Zander?]

oh my gosh

 

@Celeste

 

Zander thinks I'm a feeler

 

lmao

 

it's called being an intuitive........

not a sensor.................................................

 

I think YOURE SCUM

[wish-tree]

Well Wish hun you don't seem to like anything else said so no surprise there.

 

As I've said I'm not giving up just seem to be at bottom of a few POE's. I know I'm town but I'm not sure who to vote. Which doesn't help.

 

Eh, sorry. I'm hard to please. 

[wish-tree]

 

oh my gosh

 

@Celeste

 

Zander thinks I'm a feeler

 

lmao

 

it's called being an intuitive........

not a sensor.................................................

 

I think YOURE SCUM

 

Well, duh

 

Otherwise you wouldn't be going after me like this.

[Zander?]

 

But voting from null PoE as your only reason on D1 isnt enough imo.

It's What I got. It's also better than voting a claimed town PR

 

 

 

It is but, and Im sorry if Im wrong about this this but it feels like youre just trying to skate by atp.  And thats not a good look.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Wish

 

Laine hasn't done anything wrong, per se, but I've got too many people high on my list for her to be dark green.

 

Using your scale she should be light green imo. If she's a wolf that might explain why I'm struggling so damned hard.

 

I think Cass should be higher.

 

I think Nolder should stop screwing around. Otherwise yeah, that list looks okay. But my reads are changing due to the Iso process. I'm going to see things I didn't notice before. So I don't know. Let me get back to you.

[Kaylee]

I've give you my best look, okay Kay?

 

Kay, I think the struggle is the wolves are hard to find today.

 

Try looking at someone mid-tier, someone who looks townie and see if you can't re-examine them.

 

If you are a villager and Celeste is a villager and Turin is the doctor then the wolves are safely embedded in people's green lists or they're not posting at all.

 

Look at someone who is nearly consensus green or green-null. Just need extra sets of eyes. Tell me what you find.

 

Even if every villager wants to lynch you, and you're a villager, just remember- you'll flip villager.

 

Show them what they need to look at next. Who to look at next.

 

It will be a challenge. But it's way better than throwing in the towel. I'm doing dozens of hours of work on this game and I don't want any of my teammates waving the white flag. We're winning this game every moment of every day until the moment the wolves have majority.

Last time I'll say this: I'M NOT GIVING UP.

 

Ok now maybe that'll sink in. Anyway yes I'll to do that but it'll be later. Pral could be one. Maybe Wish. Cass and Alanna could easily fool me.

 

I honestly doubt it's Pizza or Zander. To a lesser extent don't think it's Shad.

 

The others are less certain. Still thinking maybe Csarmi. I don't know.

[wish-tree]

Pralaya, I understand you're still catching up, but something still bothers me about you.

 

No one else has read Turin as town based on his posting within the first 20ish or so pages. How are you doing this?

 

This may be just my paranoia, but it seems to me that it's easier to look at his hardclaim and then read everyone else in relation to that hardclaim.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Well Wish hun you don't seem to like anything else said so no surprise there.

 

As I've said I'm not giving up just seem to be at bottom of a few POE's. I know I'm town but I'm not sure who to vote. Which doesn't help.

Eh, sorry. I'm hard to please.

No worries just frustrated with myself for not having a better handle on things.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cass is skating on early goodwill, but it was just that good that I haven't really picked up that ball in a while.

 

I'd be very impressed.

[Zander?]

 

Pral is absent.

I'm fine with a lynch on an inactive but that's all that is.

Csarmi is almost in the same bag.

No idea why Lenlo is on your list.

I've been distant so this makes sense I guess, I don't want to be lynched though please.

And Kaylee I don't have many notes on but she's positive for me so dunno what you found lynchworthy.

Lenlo is on my list because I'd rather lynch him than the others I said I would not lynch. 

 

Kaylee has been more distant than not, as well. I would like to see her speak more and also I don't really like that she said that Penny's reads list was effort. It seemed to me to be a reward for behavior that had been forced. (I personally don't like forcing people to play outside their meta, as it makes it harder for me to read them)

 

(btw, Pizza, Penny doesn't really do effort that well. She is often a one-liner, so that's probably why you felt that something was off)

 

 

 

Ive said the same thing and more about Penny's lack of effort.  Why is it different for me to do so?

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

But voting from null PoE as your only reason on D1 isnt enough imo.

It's What I got. It's also better than voting a claimed town PR

 

It is but, and Im sorry if Im wrong about this this but it feels like youre just trying to skate by atp. And thats not a good look.

I'm not. Then I wouldn't be trying.