[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Zander?]

That's Past-Zander.

 

He post comes from a dimension about an hour behind us.

 

Im getting to be Present-Zander soon!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

:rolleyes:

Elaborate?

 

 

 

you asked her if she wanted to lynch herself....lololololololol

 

 

That was a fragment of a complete thought. In context it makes sense.

 

Speed reading is good, but comprehension is better. :)

[wish-tree]

 

 

Nolder, Wish sane question. I'd especially like you three to answer.

Not myself.

 

Not Celeste.

 

Not Laine.

 

Not Cass.

 

Not Pizza.

 

Not Zander.

 

Everyone else is more or less fair game. If I had to choose someone to lynch, I would have wanted to go after Turin, but atm I have no reason to doubt his hardclaim. Meh.

The wolves are probably in the inactives, though I hate to say it. None of the fairly active players have really pinged me.

Well ok then. So Leno, myself, Csarmi, Pral, Nol, and someone else I'm forgetting.

 

Any one of these are fine.

 

yup.

[wish-tree]

ALSO

 

PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR AND ACTUALLY READ THESE.

 

I HAD TO BREAK THEM ALL UP INTO CHUNKS.

 

PLEASE DO NOT WASTE MY TIME. ty

 

also, my game links (past games as scum) are included in the most recent WOT.

[wish-tree]

Here's my first game as scum, if that'll help, too. (PerC)

 

http://personalitycafe.com/mafia/547146-mafia-newbie-xxxiii-castle-mafia-win.html

 

And one of my town games in which my level of involvement was similar.

 

http://personalitycafe.com/mafia/645538-mafia-lxx-hobbit-battle-fiveish-armies-lyncher-town-win.html

[Zander?]

 

 

Lenlo I really suggest you read Raganorak for differences in my play. I was a godfather in that game hydrating with Wish. We are different this game.

 

Dude not everybody can be super obvious town and have the same generic tells. You might not like this post but it's true

 

 

I dont like this post.  And you guys seem too sure of each other especially Wish,

[wish-tree]

And this thing that I said?

 

Um, my last two long games I solved within the first 10 pages. I can link them if you would like, give me a few moments to do so.

 

The first one was the Bulbagarden one that I linked.

 

The second is this one on MU:

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/threads/436-Pick-Your-Poison-Mafia

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander: it wad more effort than I felt she'd given all game.

Was kinda my point...lololololol

 

I don't want to rush a lynch. Looks like Wish, Celeste, Kaylee, and Csarmi are who everyone's recently talked about lynching. I'd go Nol too.

 

What are cases thoughts on these? Who should be lynched? I'm looking for more reason than POE.

 

Why Nol and Csarmi? Can you share youre thoughts on them for me. With some quotes would be really good.

No longer Nol,but I guess your haven't read that from me yet.

 

Csarmi I said because he's on my bottom,a null POE. I've said as much.

 

 

But voting from null PoE as your only reason on D1 isnt enough imo.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

Lenlo I really suggest you read Raganorak for differences in my play. I was a godfather in that game hydrating with Wish. We are different this game.

 

Dude not everybody can be super obvious town and have the same generic tells. You might not like this post but it's true

 

 

I dont like this post.  And you guys seem too sure of each other especially Wish,

 

I wish that you would read what I wrote to you....

 

Zander.

[Zander?]

 

 

Why would you ask Nol this Alanna?  Dont make sense to me at all.

Zander, catch up. He asked me the same thing..

 

 

 

That doesnt matter my dear.  Its that you asking Nol as to why Turin isnt Town Telling that is bothering me.

[wish-tree]

Ah, btw, for Pick your poison, I replace on Page 3 or 4.

[wish-tree]

Oh, that's a signup. My bad.

 

 

Here you are:

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/threads/439-Pick-Your-Poison-Mafia

[wish-tree]

Sorry, my bad, I come in on page 10:

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/threads/439-Pick-Your-Poison-Mafia?p=63078#post63078

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Celeste: who should we lynch today and why?

I'm really not sure because it looks like everybody is just townie and I need something more. A flip, a mislynch, even a slip so I don't make a mistake. What's really making me get sort of reaction like is that people won't even look at my other games here that I was mafia in except shad.

I prefer to just work in the current game. I try not to swayed meta if possible. I can't blame you for not being sure since I'm in same boat, but at least give a few names you're less sure of.

Look at my reads list, I don't really have strong scum reads. Let me ask you this then Do I look uniformed or informed in my posts?

 

 

You look lazy imo.  I tend to find lazy scummy fwiw.

Well I have posted a lot more here than my other games I'm currently in.

 

 

 

Are you proud of that fact?

[wish-tree]

Celeste is pretty lurkerish.

 

I used to hate it too.

 

Can you really read her as scummy for doing so?

 

Some people make it a playstyle.

 

Why is being proud of posting bad? (Are you saying it is?)

 

ALSO

 

I'm in full gear now that my game has started.

 

(and plus, check out my excuses as town, too. :P)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm willing to look at Celeste's last two wolf games.

 

Celeste, you said Ragnarok, and what was the other one?

 

Links please?

[Zander?]

 

@ Lenny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought that's what I did.....

 

I thought you wanted me to go back and iso things in order to explain things

 

what?

 

 

 

 

i did....i just dont want you hiding behind all the clutter of your post. Like I had to snip this cause it wouldnt let me just quote it.

 

post a reads list with reasons that are clear and concise and easy to read.

 

if youre Town you should have no worries about doing this or need to have anything to hide behind!!!!!

 

Alrighty, give me time to wade through these ISOs. I don't post after dinner time, so I definitely missed all of these! :P

 

Note: My notes/replies are in different colors to stand out.

 

 

 

Lenny ISO Pt 1

 

 

Sorry, lovelies. I forgot about this game while trying to fill in signups for my own game.

 

Anyway, I'm about to leave in a few hours.

 

First things first, I haven't played very frequently with many people.

 

I'd like to say from initial post reads, my two solid town reads are Cass and Celeste.

 

Enthusiasm and involvement looking good from Cass.

 

Celeste is town because of her tone. You'll have to trust me on this. Played with her a lot.

 

Opening post.

 

Really you have not 1 but 2 SOLID towns reads atp???!!! I mean I know you've played with them before as you mentioned but I don't think theres any way they could be solid reads with the content they provided to this point.  I'd actually like to hear what CassGOATENFPANDMUSICTWIN and Penny have to say about this.  And the whole "you'll have to trust me" part is pretty Meh imo. 

 

I actually do this quite a lot. I've been playing turbos for my past few games, and took a really long hiatus from standard, long games, so I'm used to having to read people within their first 5-10 posts. I understand why you think that there's no way I'd have solid reads at this point, but you can ask Cass. I solved the game she was in (I was in the spectator chat) just by reading the first ten or so posts from each player. Well, I was wrong on one person, so there you have it.

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

 

Ok here she start's to add a little substance to her Penny read.  It's kinda funny to me tho, that she uses her sussing her as a reason for Town reading her cause she does the same thing with me later on.

 

Zander, certain people have different tells wrt their reads of me. Penny tends to buddy me as scum, and scum-read me as town. This game, however, I think that her read on me is actually genuine. She sometimes messes up her read on me (of the two of us, I read her better than she does me). Initially, it's quite easy to buddy me by town reading me, and scum often take advantage of this. I was fooled consecutively in a few games because of this, so I learned to become more cautious. Now, someone town reading me very strongly causes me to doubt their intentions, but I still easily town read people for town reading me, unless there's specific meta that tells me that's probably not a good idea.

 

This is to clarify my town read on Celeste.

Don't call me crazy. This is a combo of tone and meta.

Hello

  

You might be thinking that I'm making a mountain of a molehill, but this is simple and no frills. That's towny coming from her.

 

Well, unfamiliar relatively speaking.  I think I've played with all of you at least once except Cass.

I think we played together twice if you were in raganorak.

  

Just a simple statement of fact. Not very jokey, which is what she uses more as scum.

Anyways I am simply excited to be back

  

Also before I head to bed [v]Cass[/v]

She's honest and to the point as town. Even if she joke votes, it's not done with a certain flippant attitude that I see when she's scum. More sass would be scummy, and usually she's super calm as well.

 

 

More substance to her read of Penny.  What I note from this is the honest comment...I mean HOW could you ACTUALLY know shes being honest with anything for CERTAIN......

 

Nothing's certain... But I do know that when Penny tries to lie to me, she's pretty obvious. She inserts a lot of fluff into her posts. As town, she uses shorter, declarative statements and does not put much other content into her posts. She's gotten mislynched several times for doing so. 

 

 

 

also, can someone explain to me what the entire note taking thing was about anyway? I don't see how that generated reads at all, if it did.

 

 

Hi people in the thread

 

Can you answer my question about the whole note taking thing? That's a bit random and one of the only things I was really confused about when catching up this morning.

 

 

 

I know this MAY be nothing but I find it strange she keeps bringing up the note taking thing from Pizza when its pretty obv not relevant to game solve or alignment.  It seems like a distraction that is completely unneeded.

 

No one answered my question... so I kept bringing it up. Pizza even acknowledges this later when he said he didn't answer my question. I was not in the game at that point, so I was pretty confused as to why the note-taking thing was relevant. Again, I feel like this is a weird focus.

 

 

Yup that was it

Kk.

 

Besides Cass and Celeste, I'm feeling good about Pizza, I think. Mainly because he's doing a lot of questioning, explaining his reasoning (even if I don't quite agree). Maybe Laine. Her attitude seems natural and relaxed, which is good if I compare it to that one game we were scum together in.

 

I'm gradually gathering reads about other people, but at this point, I haven't caught any scummy behavior. I suppose I could go back to opening posts and look for forced behavior or kind of off tone.

 

I hate that - relying on gut stuff. I prefer the head processes that involve the brain.

 

 

This here is something that REALLY REALLY sticks out to me.  Because as I will show.  She keeps asking and relying of Gut read stuff even though she dislikes it.  Me not like-y the contradictions!!!

 

As I already explained... I HATE RELYING ON GUT STUFF. BUT IT WORKS, SO I DO IT.

 

I prefer to be seen as completely logical and well-thought out. I think of myself in that way. But sometimes, it's not as reliable, because I tend to overanalyze and then mess up my reads in that manner.

 

 

 

 

1. Turbo's matter squat completely different game style then a real game.  And as far as game solve in 10 posts, was that on your home site or a site you play on more the DM?  Because if so then not relevant as those reads very very likely Meta dependent imo.
2. If its not a good idea then continuing to do so is....not a good idea....come on...like really now.
3. NOTHINGS CERTAIN???!!!  Youve basically lock cleared her from the beginning....
4. Yes it was a weird focus....from you....hence why I brought it up in the first place.
5. You still contradicted yourself and contradictions are scummy.  Its also, like Ive mentioned not the only time you've done so this game.
6. But youre not tho.  Youre an I personality playing an E type game.  That stuff sticks out as very odd....ESPECIALLY after the original comment in question!!!

[wish-tree]

But yeah...

 

I think zander is pretty towny because he is actually doing all of this and attempting to find scum.

 

Pizza, using your motivation thing, I find him super towny in terms of motivation.

 

But why is Zander focusing on the Alette/me dynamic? You can read any of the games that I've linked. What we do is not alignment indicative.

 

I also have more questions for people.

 

How are we going to lynch people if the inactives don't show up? We definitely need to hear more from csarmi and Pralaya. Nolder, too, but he looks the best out of all three, because of his 1) thread presence 2) content level 3) and questioning of people to garner reads.

 

I really hate putting my vote down unless I am absolutely sure that I want to lynch someone. My top lynch candidates are (as I've already said before):

 

Pralaya, csarmi, Lenlo, Nolder, Kaylee 

 

But I really don't want to lynch the low-posters until I've had a chance to really look into what they've wrote.

[Celeste]

I'm willing to look at Celeste's last two wolf games.

 

Celeste, you said Ragnarok, and what was the other one?

 

Links please?

Another one is the bulba game Lenny linked. I did not play that well. A town game is the hobbit link that Lenny posted.

[Celeste]

I'm Alette on bulba and Lady Grinch in the hobbit.

[wish-tree]

 

 

@ Lenny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought that's what I did.....

 

I thought you wanted me to go back and iso things in order to explain things

 

what?

 

 

 

 

i did....i just dont want you hiding behind all the clutter of your post. Like I had to snip this cause it wouldnt let me just quote it.

 

post a reads list with reasons that are clear and concise and easy to read.

 

if youre Town you should have no worries about doing this or need to have anything to hide behind!!!!!

 

Alrighty, give me time to wade through these ISOs. I don't post after dinner time, so I definitely missed all of these! :P

 

Note: My notes/replies are in different colors to stand out.

 

 

 

Lenny ISO Pt 1

 

 

Sorry, lovelies. I forgot about this game while trying to fill in signups for my own game.

 

Anyway, I'm about to leave in a few hours.

 

First things first, I haven't played very frequently with many people.

 

I'd like to say from initial post reads, my two solid town reads are Cass and Celeste.

 

Enthusiasm and involvement looking good from Cass.

 

Celeste is town because of her tone. You'll have to trust me on this. Played with her a lot.

 

Opening post.

 

Really you have not 1 but 2 SOLID towns reads atp???!!! I mean I know you've played with them before as you mentioned but I don't think theres any way they could be solid reads with the content they provided to this point.  I'd actually like to hear what CassGOATENFPANDMUSICTWIN and Penny have to say about this.  And the whole "you'll have to trust me" part is pretty Meh imo. 

 

I actually do this quite a lot. I've been playing turbos for my past few games, and took a really long hiatus from standard, long games, so I'm used to having to read people within their first 5-10 posts. I understand why you think that there's no way I'd have solid reads at this point, but you can ask Cass. I solved the game she was in (I was in the spectator chat) just by reading the first ten or so posts from each player. Well, I was wrong on one person, so there you have it.

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

 

Ok here she start's to add a little substance to her Penny read.  It's kinda funny to me tho, that she uses her sussing her as a reason for Town reading her cause she does the same thing with me later on.

 

Zander, certain people have different tells wrt their reads of me. Penny tends to buddy me as scum, and scum-read me as town. This game, however, I think that her read on me is actually genuine. She sometimes messes up her read on me (of the two of us, I read her better than she does me). Initially, it's quite easy to buddy me by town reading me, and scum often take advantage of this. I was fooled consecutively in a few games because of this, so I learned to become more cautious. Now, someone town reading me very strongly causes me to doubt their intentions, but I still easily town read people for town reading me, unless there's specific meta that tells me that's probably not a good idea.

 

This is to clarify my town read on Celeste.

Don't call me crazy. This is a combo of tone and meta.

Hello

  

You might be thinking that I'm making a mountain of a molehill, but this is simple and no frills. That's towny coming from her.

 

Well, unfamiliar relatively speaking.  I think I've played with all of you at least once except Cass.

I think we played together twice if you were in raganorak.

  

Just a simple statement of fact. Not very jokey, which is what she uses more as scum.

Anyways I am simply excited to be back

  

Also before I head to bed [v]Cass[/v]

She's honest and to the point as town. Even if she joke votes, it's not done with a certain flippant attitude that I see when she's scum. More sass would be scummy, and usually she's super calm as well.

 

 

More substance to her read of Penny.  What I note from this is the honest comment...I mean HOW could you ACTUALLY know shes being honest with anything for CERTAIN......

 

Nothing's certain... But I do know that when Penny tries to lie to me, she's pretty obvious. She inserts a lot of fluff into her posts. As town, she uses shorter, declarative statements and does not put much other content into her posts. She's gotten mislynched several times for doing so. 

 

 

 

also, can someone explain to me what the entire note taking thing was about anyway? I don't see how that generated reads at all, if it did.

 

 

Hi people in the thread

 

Can you answer my question about the whole note taking thing? That's a bit random and one of the only things I was really confused about when catching up this morning.

 

 

 

I know this MAY be nothing but I find it strange she keeps bringing up the note taking thing from Pizza when its pretty obv not relevant to game solve or alignment.  It seems like a distraction that is completely unneeded.

 

No one answered my question... so I kept bringing it up. Pizza even acknowledges this later when he said he didn't answer my question. I was not in the game at that point, so I was pretty confused as to why the note-taking thing was relevant. Again, I feel like this is a weird focus.

 

 

Yup that was it

Kk.

 

Besides Cass and Celeste, I'm feeling good about Pizza, I think. Mainly because he's doing a lot of questioning, explaining his reasoning (even if I don't quite agree). Maybe Laine. Her attitude seems natural and relaxed, which is good if I compare it to that one game we were scum together in.

 

I'm gradually gathering reads about other people, but at this point, I haven't caught any scummy behavior. I suppose I could go back to opening posts and look for forced behavior or kind of off tone.

 

I hate that - relying on gut stuff. I prefer the head processes that involve the brain.

 

 

This here is something that REALLY REALLY sticks out to me.  Because as I will show.  She keeps asking and relying of Gut read stuff even though she dislikes it.  Me not like-y the contradictions!!!

 

As I already explained... I HATE RELYING ON GUT STUFF. BUT IT WORKS, SO I DO IT.

 

I prefer to be seen as completely logical and well-thought out. I think of myself in that way. But sometimes, it's not as reliable, because I tend to overanalyze and then mess up my reads in that manner.

 

 

 

 

1. Turbo's matter squat completely different game style then a real game.  And as far as game solve in 10 posts, was that on your home site or a site you play on more the DM?  Because if so then not relevant as those reads very very likely Meta dependent imo.
2. If its not a good idea then continuing to do so is....not a good idea....come on...like really now.
3. NOTHINGS CERTAIN???!!!  Youve basically lock cleared her from the beginning....
4. Yes it was a weird focus....from you....hence why I brought it up in the first place.
5. You still contradicted yourself and contradictions are scummy.  Its also, like Ive mentioned not the only time you've done so this game.
6. But youre not tho.  Youre an I personality playing an E type game.  That stuff sticks out as very odd....ESPECIALLY after the original comment in question!!!

 

1. I've only played one game on Mafia Universe...

And that game I played without ANY knowledge of the players.

 

I have more meta on everyone here than I did there. :P

 

2. Specific meta on Penny tells me that I can trust her here.

 

3. You wanted philosophical nonsense, so I gave it to you.

 

4. No, it wasn't...

 

5. How did I contradict myself? I EXPLAINED IT. You merely think it's a contradiction. My point was that contradictions are also not inherently scummy. (Wasn't saying I contradicted myself, hmmph)

 

6. What? Are you trying to call me a feeler? lmaoooooooooooooo

This goes into personal insult category, k?

[Nolder]

Pral is absent.

I'm fine with a lynch on an inactive but that's all that is.

Csarmi is almost in the same bag.

No idea why Lenlo is on your list.

I've been distant so this makes sense I guess, I don't want to be lynched though please.

And Kaylee I don't have many notes on but she's positive for me so dunno what you found lynchworthy.

[wish-tree]

oh my gosh

 

@Celeste

 

Zander thinks I'm a feeler

 

lmao

 

it's called being an intuitive........

not a sensor.................................................

[Kaylee]

But voting from null PoE as your only reason on D1 isnt enough imo.

It's What I got. It's also better than voting a claimed town PR

[wish-tree]

Pral is absent.

I'm fine with a lynch on an inactive but that's all that is.

Csarmi is almost in the same bag.

No idea why Lenlo is on your list.

I've been distant so this makes sense I guess, I don't want to be lynched though please.

And Kaylee I don't have many notes on but she's positive for me so dunno what you found lynchworthy.

Lenlo is on my list because I'd rather lynch him than the others I said I would not lynch. 

 

Kaylee has been more distant than not, as well. I would like to see her speak more and also I don't really like that she said that Penny's reads list was effort. It seemed to me to be a reward for behavior that had been forced. (I personally don't like forcing people to play outside their meta, as it makes it harder for me to read them)

 

(btw, Pizza, Penny doesn't really do effort that well. She is often a one-liner, so that's probably why you felt that something was off)