[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Shad_]

or at least wretchedly slow...

 

 

Nolder!  You said you ISO'd me.  You don't have to present a case or do more "work" of that sort, but if you think I am scum you must remember things I've done that bother you.  Talk about it.  Sum it up.  Show me where your head is at.

[alannalynn]

Wish because it has to be done.  I might conclude that she's the most obvious town ever, but it has to be done.

 

I will never be Frozened or Matrixed again.  I may lose under the same circumstances, but never for the same reasons.  When it looks like the POE is laid out and won't be moving from here to endgame, I will not settle to lynch down the line and hope for the best.  When no one is scummy, I will not settle to only investigate the least towny of the lot.  At least not when I'm trying.  If I choose to have lazy games in the future, whatever.  In this game, scum will have to continuously outplay me until I eat a bullet.  No one gets a permanent pass short of an uncountered verifiable PR claim.

What? So you'd rather lynch someone who has been playing a rather townie game than people who are in the POE? I'm not sure what you're getting at Shad.

 

I've realized that withholding my vote is no longer a good idea.

I'll be voting the person I am most sure is mafia.

 

[v]Celeste[/v]

 

PS@Alanna: The type of language you're all using doesn't leave room for debate or discussion. If you're willing to have your minds changed that's not the signal I am getting from you all. The message I'm getting is your minds are made up and you're just filling in detail because game.

YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT: YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE ME IF YOU WANT ME TO VOTE WITH YOU. YOU CANNOT LYNCH SOMEONE WITH ONE VOTE. I LITERALLY CANNOT READ YOUR MIND AND THAT IS WHY I'M ASKING YOU TO PROVIDE ME WITH A WELL LAID OUT CASE ON THOSE YOU FIND SCUMMY SO THAT I CAN EITHER VOTE WITH YOU, CLEAR YOU, OR LYNCH YOU.

[Shad_]

 

Wish because it has to be done.  I might conclude that she's the most obvious town ever, but it has to be done.

 

I will never be Frozened or Matrixed again.  I may lose under the same circumstances, but never for the same reasons.  When it looks like the POE is laid out and won't be moving from here to endgame, I will not settle to lynch down the line and hope for the best.  When no one is scummy, I will not settle to only investigate the least towny of the lot.  At least not when I'm trying.  If I choose to have lazy games in the future, whatever.  In this game, scum will have to continuously outplay me until I eat a bullet.  No one gets a permanent pass short of an uncountered verifiable PR claim.

What? So you'd rather lynch someone who has been playing a rather townie game than people who are in the POE? I'm not sure what you're getting at Shad.

 

[Nolder]

I think you misunderstand how I'm viewing this game.

The signals I am getting from you (and others) is that you're not interested in having your minds changed.

Whatever I say wont make a difference in how you view me or those I talk about.

 

If that's not true then I apologize but that's what I'm getting and it doesn't make me want to lay out cases.

[Shad_]

I'm saying I've seen plenty of scum play rather townie games, and I'm not going to stop investigating people because they have more going for them than Celeste or Pral or Nolder.

 

I'm not going to lynch them for yucks.  I'm not going to lynch them at all unless I find a compelling reason to.

[alannalynn]

Everybody is so freaking weird tonight.

 

I see what you're saying now Shad.

 

Nolder, you're literally making not WANT to work with you on this.

[Shad_]

I think you misunderstand how I'm viewing this game.

The signals I am getting from you (and others) is that you're not interested in having your minds changed.

Whatever I say wont make a difference in how you view me or those I talk about.

 

If that's not true then I apologize but that's what I'm getting and it doesn't make me want to lay out cases.

 

Nolder, suppose I came into this game saying something like "I'm just going to drop votes and never explain why, because I know none of you really care what I think."

 

Would you be more likely to read me town or scum?

[Nolder]

Everybody is so freaking weird tonight.

 

I see what you're saying now Shad.

 

Nolder, you're literally making not WANT to work with you on this.

I don't know why. I am so easy to get along with 99% of the time.

 

 

I think you misunderstand how I'm viewing this game.

The signals I am getting from you (and others) is that you're not interested in having your minds changed.

Whatever I say wont make a difference in how you view me or those I talk about.

 

If that's not true then I apologize but that's what I'm getting and it doesn't make me want to lay out cases.

 

Nolder, suppose I came into this game saying something like "I'm just going to drop votes and never explain why, because I know none of you really care what I think."

 

Would you be more likely to read me town or scum?

 

I wouldn't suppose such a thing in the first place.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Checking in.

[Celeste]

I'm here.. 

[alannalynn]

 

I don't know why. I am so easy to get along with 99% of the time.

 

...joke?

 

not a joke?

 

I'm not sure

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shad/Laine if you don't want to lynch Nol I'm sheeping you guys today.

[Nolder]

 

 

I don't know why. I am so easy to get along with 99% of the time.

 

...joke?

 

not a joke?

 

I'm not sure

 

[Shad_]

Shad/Laine if you don't want to lynch Nol I'm sheeping you guys today.

You've seen him as town and scum recently. What do you think?

[Nolder]

Look, Alanna, it's this simple.

Tell me you're willing to lynch Celeste today and I'll try my best to convince you she's scum.

Just don't lie to me and say you are just so I'll do what you want because that sucks.

I don't want to waste my time blathering away just so everyone can feel good about it being there if they need it later.

[Nolder]

Like if it's just between Pral and me today then make your decision you know?

You know who I think is scum and if you lynch me you'll know I'm town and that I'm not lying about what I thought.

The WHY isn't really all that important in that case.

[Shad_]

Nolder, do you still think I'm scum?

[Nolder]

Nolder, do you still think I'm scum?

Yes.

[alannalynn]

Okay sorry for my absence today. I ended up actually being productive. Dentist, school supplies, school books, cleaned my stupid room, ACTUALLY DID HOMEWORK OMG. So here I am now, will probably only be around for an hour or so though because I have to wake up in 6 hours.

 

Reminder to look at Zander's teammate placement for minority town. I think this is all of his scum games:

Diablo link; QT link

Tarmon Gai'don

Matrix

Belichick

TUS

 

Does anybody have Csarmi's scum games?

 

Anyways, I'm here doing some research if anyone wants to talk real time, otherwise I'm looking into Z games.

 

Belichick (July 3): Team: Zander, Alanna, Talya

Reads list d1: Has Alanna in town pile, and Talya in scum pile

His 2nd reads list is much the same but Talya has moved to the bottom bottom even though she's town telling like crazy.

 

TUS (Aug 11): Team: Zander, Razen, Talya, Beck (replaced by Csarmi), Corkey

I know this was all mafia, but d1 nobody knew that, so it will at least indicate placement of his teammates

Reads list d1: He has none of his teammates listed lol

Another: Corkey "no problems" and Talya usual, null.

 

Tarmon Gaidon (Aug 17): Team: Zander, Seph (later BFG), Verbal

First reads list: Has Seph in wolf pile, Verb grouped in "undecided" category; though I believe Seph was largely absent until BFG subbed in. Seph.

By the time he has another POE d1 (and before his own lynch LOL) he has his POE down to all town members.

 

The Matrix (Oct 23): Team: Zander, Corlanna, Lenlo, Dice

(I love you Nolder for updating the OP to reflect all alignments.. I hate having to search threads to see who was all on these dang teams)

WTL d1: 2 team members on it (Lenlo, Dice)

Reads list: He has Corlanna as #3 town below Sili and Thane, and Dice/Lenlo teammates at the very bottom of scum reads. Note: even after Zander eventually gets Lenlo lynched on d3, he still keeps Dice in his WTL for consistency even though he's being town read by villagers in the game.

 

Diablo (Dec 01): Team: Zander/Besie, Thane, Tress

First reads list: Has Thane in #2 town slot, Tress in orange above nulls.

 

From what I can see he doesn't often put his teammates in nulls. In TUS, he was originally a hydra with Seph who ended up dropping out, and I'm pretty sure that everyone was extremely not caught up that game. So he used a null slot there; I'm not sure the circumstances of Tarmon Gaidon though, but I believe he wasn't nearly as on point in that game because he was lynched d1. Mainly though I see at least one wolf strong town and one wolf trending-strong wolf.

 

Warcraft(Jan 02): Team: Zander, Csarmi, ???

First reads list d1:

Zander's       Confirmed

List:               Flips:

Pizza             Pizza

Len               Lenlo

 

Kaylee          Kaylee

Alanna          Alanna

Cass             Cass 

Shad             Shad

Nold              Nolder

 

Pral               Pralaya

Csarmi          Csarmi

 

Turin               Turin

Penny            Penny

Lenny            Lenny

 

 

Looking at this, I would wager mafia teammate in the green section, meaning Pizza-Cass-Shad-Nolder.

Unlikely to most likely to be scum: Pizza, Shad, Nolder, Cass.

 

I would be willing to lynch Cass today, certainly.

[Celeste]

This is going to be just like the Kaylee lynch. We were clearly going to vote Pral it seemed like than for some odd reason it switched to Kaylee. Pral hasn't even reconsider who the scum are it seems like.

[alannalynn]

I have to wake up in 5 hours

 

My WTL today is Cass-Pral-Celeste, in that order atm

[Shad_]

 

 

Nolder, do you still think I'm scum?

Yes.

If I am a wolf, I am eating you alive right now. I am tearing you limb from limb, and I will walk away from it smelling like roses. Does this not bother you? Don't you have any desire to fight back?

[Shad_]

My god, my internet is working again.  No more cellphone typing!

[alannalynn]

Look, Alanna, it's this simple.

Tell me you're willing to lynch Celeste today and I'll try my best to convince you she's scum.

Just don't lie to me and say you are just so I'll do what you want because that sucks.

I don't want to waste my time blathering away just so everyone can feel good about it being there if they need it later.

See above.

 

Like if it's just between Pral and me today then make your decision you know?

You know who I think is scum and if you lynch me you'll know I'm town and that I'm not lying about what I thought.

The WHY isn't really all that important in that case.

There's a difference between hearing from a townie who they think scum is and knowing how they got to that process.

 

I could straight up call Pizza scum right now, get lynched, flip townie. Does that mean I'm RIGHT? No, I'm just a suspicious townie.

I could also write and extravagant case on Pizza, tell everyone what he's doing and that he sacrificed his teammates to get cleared so he could skate to endgame and that Kaylee's lynch was one in a series of mislynches so that the town could destroy itself... and ultimately get myself lynched because of it, flip town. But now I've outted Pizza and people are wondering why it's day 5 and he's still alive or something and they're like "oh.. let's lynch Pizza... maybe Alanna's case was right" and BAM! TOWN WIN. He could also be town and I was just being an idiot and this is all hypothetical anyways...

 

The Point: You can't win without trying to convince people you're right. And refusing to aid town isn't putting any points in your favor.

[Nolder]

 

 

Nolder, do you still think I'm scum?

Yes.

If I am a wolf, I am eating you alive right now. I am tearing you limb from limb, and I will walk away from it smelling like roses. Does this not bother you? Don't you have any desire to fight back?

 

How do you fight back when no one wants to hear what you have to say?

 

And I mean that sincerely because I can already hear Alanna screaming at me.

I don't feel like anyone actually cares what I say they just want me to say stuff because it makes them feel good.

To just word vomit and if they feel like it they'll look at it later, maybe. Meanwhile they're just going to do what they already decided to do at start of Day.