[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[wish-tree]

Oh, lol, thanks Lenlo

[wish-tree]

I thought the deadline was today, because there was talk about Nolder hammering or something

[wish-tree]

Would it have been funny to have responded, Dang, you got me? XD

[Shad_]

It would certainly have been null. 

[wish-tree]

Lol.

[wish-tree]

A bit nostalgic tonight. A friend and I are talking about previous Lenbot versions. :3

[Shad_]

I'm really excited to run my first game.

 

Four more ahead of me in queue counting Hallia's....

[Songstress]

I'm really excited to run my first game.

 

Four more ahead of me in queue counting Hallia's....

 

I would post dancing penguins for you, but Cory would be mad that he can't post again.

 

[Lenlo]

 

I'm really excited to run my first game.

 

Four more ahead of me in queue counting Hallia's....

 

I would post dancing penguins for you, but Cory would be mad that he can't post again.

 

 

Do it anyways. Turn this into a town vs scum, mod vs cory, game.

[Shad_]

It's going to be a mirror of Seph's Diablo game set-up wise, I think, but oh my god do I love my theme. 

[wish-tree]

Ooh, that is exciting. I'm currently running my first game as creator/designer of a setup, and it's really exciting. Also kind of stressful. Buuuut. Fun.

[Lenlo]

It's going to be a mirror of Seph's Diablo game set-up wise, I think, but oh my god do I love my theme. 

What theme? I might have to play in it, just for you.

[Shad_]

Something I've had in my head since the moment I realized this game existed.

 

It will probably make sense to no one but me.

But I love it.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

Nolder, WTL? Reads?

I think the final scum are Shad and Celeste.

 

 

You backed off your reasons for sussing me though.  You have to show me that you mean this.

 

I didn't back off anything. 

You were deflecting and failed to answer my questions so I decided to stop wasting my time.

Don't worry I have a case coming for you when the time comes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gun to head I'm going to say Pral is town.

I wish there was more content to work with but sometimes gotta make tough call.

 

Ok who's next?

Shad how about you. Ok let's go.

Ok.

 

Talk to me. What are your concerns?

 

 

Let's start here and hopefully I'll have more for you tomorrow night.

 

#15/16 - Weird to mention all the players you do and don't have meta on right at the start. Like you're setting up excuses for mislynches on townies maybe. (-1)

 

#617 - Gives reads list. Weird that he has Csarmi at the top. Says he explained it but may have missed the explanation. (0)

 

#799 - Basing his read on Celeste off how Wish acts. This doesn't bother me later in the game when connections are being made but it seems very early to me to draw these kinds of conclusions. (-0.5)

 

These are your old notes iirc. Have you advanced on any of these thoughts so far?

 

Blue -- I named you, Lenlo, Laine, Zander as the people I think I can read well. What has my approach to these four people done to strengthen or lessen your concern?

 

Green -- It was definitely a bad reason, as things panned out, but I explained it again later. I don't know if I explicitly stated "this was my original reason" or if I just reiterated the reason, but did anything about my treatment of csarmi towards the end of D1 ping you?

 

Red -- I am still basing a lot of my Celeste read on the same principle. What are your thoughts on Wish/Celeste interaction?

 

No. I cancelled my note taking at the start of the day. It was taking up too much of my time.

 

1) You're not addressing my concern you're just stating a fact and then asking me a question. Deflection?

 

2) Towards the end? Not that I recall. I was more focused on Nomi than you though.

 

3) This doesn't address my concern with you basing your read on Celeste off Wish so early in the game. I've already stated I think it's weird how Wish and Celeste link themselves every game but I guess that's their thing. Don't think it's alignment indicative.

 

 

1) How am I not addressing your concern? What is your concern, if not precisely what I addressed?

 

3) If I understand you correctly: you think Wish/Celeste is sort of like Zander/Laine and Wish will always white knight her? The action has no real implications?

 

 

 

I was dragged off to watch a late night movie sorry.

 

1) You didn't address anything! You stated, again, who you have meta on and moved on. All you did was restate the original post that I took issue with in the first place. The issue I took was you setting up mislynches based on not having a meta read. I now think that was an incorrect assumption but that's irrelevant because I didn't decide that until earlier tonight and you didn't know that regardless.

 

3) My concern in regards to you is how you're behaving towards them.

 

I'll dig more into this all later once I've finished ISOing you.

 

1) I thought you meant mislynches on the 4 people I named. (I think Turin presented it that way, or maybe I just assumed that was what he was suggesting.) But if you don't feel that way anymore I'm not sure what else to ask you here.

 

3) You'll have to elaborate for me.

 

I'm too tired to ask you anything fancy right now. At least give me a better idea what you're thinking with 3).

 

 

You backed off the first point.  What am I deflecting/failing to answer?

 

"When the time comes" isn't good enough.  You either have some theory that makes sense in town!Noldermind, or you are a wolf who knows the game is just about over and you can't be arsed to make up a case.  If you cannot show the former, the latter will always be assumed.  Work with me here.  If you are town I need to see it directly, not just passively watch and base my read on how I think you would or wouldn't normally act as scum.

 

I didn't back off you never answered and I didn't press the issue. Mainly because, as I said, I changed my mind.

 

I don't need to do anything.

Pral is getting lynched today and tonight who knows what will happen.

Tomorrow we'll (hopefully) be lynching your partner Celeste.

You and I can fight it out D4 if you haven't killed me by then.

[Nolder]

 

Hi, Shad

 

Sup?

 

Make Nolder come back and talk to me.

 

Sorry.

I got dragged off to watch Baggage.

Everyone is asleep now though and I have a nice cold glass of rum in coke so we're good to go.

I've got all night to talk.

[Shad_]

You changed your mind.  So you no longer consider the particular action in question scummy, no?

 

Restate the question.  I have no idea what it is that I didn't answer.

 

If you think I am scum, why would you want to wait until D4 to discuss it?

[Lenlo]

You changed your mind.  So you no longer consider the particular action in question scummy, no?

 

Restate the question.  I have no idea what it is that I didn't answer.

 

If you think I am scum, why would you want to wait until D4 to discuss it?

I think hes assuming Pral gets lynched today, Celeste gets lynched tomorrow, that makes it D4 with both of you still alive. I think that was the situation he was going for.

[Nolder]

You changed your mind.  So you no longer consider the particular action in question scummy, no?

 

Restate the question.  I have no idea what it is that I didn't answer.

 

If you think I am scum, why would you want to wait until D4 to discuss it?

I do, but for different reasons now.

 

Because there's no chance in hell of getting you lynched before D4 anyway.

Also the possibility I could be wrong. I was wrong about Csarmi and I could be wrong about Pral.

(Not to mention Nomi and Cass...)

 

So I'm not going to waste my time arguing and casing and whatnot when there's still a chance you could be town.

[Shad_]

Restate the question.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nolder, are you on drugs this game or something?

[Nolder]

Nolder, are you on drugs this game or something?

Well I'm drinking at the moment...

[Shad_]

/sigh

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah there's a slight chance Shad might be town.

[Shad_]

Is someone going to be around to hammer?  I want to get to bed earlier tonight than I've been lately.

[Nolder]

Restate the question.

YOU SAID I READ THESE PEOPLE WELL

 

I SAID I FIND IT CONCERNING BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE SETTING UP MISLYNCHES ON PEOPLE YOU DONT HAVE META ON

 

YOU NEVER ADDRESSED THE CONCERN, YOU ONLY RESTATED WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY SAID 100+ PAGES AGO AND THEN ASKED ME A QUESTION