[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Pralaya]

 

So Lenlo, if you are a wolf you're outed. If you're the cop, you're outed.

 

Time to stop goofing off and do actual work. See how you do that for the rest of the round and I might possibly unvote you.

So your thinking of lynching me regardless huh? I'm gonna draw the NK tonight so that's quite stupid. I also am not nearly motivated enough to read a 155 page game.

 

 

[wish-tree]

I have...

ISO'd you to find them.

 

 

[v]Celeste[/v]

 

Yup. Pizza Lock town at this point. Still think im right on Nolder and Shad. Zander was obv prepping to go at me come morn, so short of some late bus tinfoil im pretty clear. Laine pretty obv town at this point to.

 

That leaves Kaylee, Wish, Pral, Cass and Celeste

 

In order of townieness to scummness im thinking this.

 

Cass

Wish

Kaylee/Pral

Celeste

 

Id lynch from the bottom up.

 

 

How does Pral's defense of you make you feel?

[wish-tree]

 

 

Korialstrasz

 

It's why I was pretty certain of Turins claim.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Korialstrasz

 

Here's the wiki link, freshly googled.

 

I know nothing about WoW lore, so Shad will have to help out on this. Is this claim legit?

 

The answer to that question determines my vote.

 

Prime consort to Alexstraza, Turins character. There was a reason I was pretty certain about Turins claim.

 

I typically dont like clearing based on roles claims, but Tress usually provides fake claims I think, so I guess its not so bad this game.

 

Awesome.

 

Still waiting for Shad's thoughts on this, but for now this claim puts you in the same category as Turin.

 

@Pizza: thoughts? reactions?

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

Lenlo, this does not look good for you, especially because Zander died.

 

Either you're Mafia or the actual cop. I don't think we've gotten anywhere on this. There is no reason for a VT to claim cop, imo.

 

If there is a Godfather present, then there is no reason for scum Lenlo to claim cop. Why? Because if Lenlo is the Godfather, obviously he wouldn't sacrifice himself. If Lenlo is not the Godfather, then what is the need to out the cop? The cop cannot find the Godfather anyway.

 

The optimal play from scum Lenlo would have been to claim the vig. He didn't. He is likely telling the truth.

 

Hi, Pralaya.

 

I apppreciate you popping in to defend Lenlo. What I would like to see is your own work as well. 

 

 

 

Don't have a single non-game post so far.

 

(Except the above one :) )

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

Lenlo, this does not look good for you, especially because Zander died.

 

Either you're Mafia or the actual cop. I don't think we've gotten anywhere on this. There is no reason for a VT to claim cop, imo.

 

If there is a Godfather present, then there is no reason for scum Lenlo to claim cop. Why? Because if Lenlo is the Godfather, obviously he wouldn't sacrifice himself. If Lenlo is not the Godfather, then what is the need to out the cop? The cop cannot find the Godfather anyway.

 

The optimal play from scum Lenlo would have been to claim the vig. He didn't. He is likely telling the truth.

 

Hi, Pralaya.

 

I apppreciate you popping in to defend Lenlo. What I would like to see is your own work as well. 

 

 

 

Don't have a single non-game post so far.

 

(Except the above one :) )

 

lol

 

I think my main issue was how much you posted, not how much content you had.

 

Give me a reason to move you up. What is your WTL list today?

[wish-tree]

And Pizza, I better hear from you about Lenlo.

[wish-tree]

Wondering at this thread inactivity.

 

How weird.

 

I'm going to leave to eat lunch, and when I get back, I want to see the thread active again.

[Kaylee]

And going through my explanation of this post- (With oooooh pretty colors)

 

 

This is what I have seen.

 

Just to explain before I reveal my 1/3 finished notes on the game thusfar:

 

Because Csarmi was the most expendable wolf team member, being low-content, kinda trolly, and accidentally partly outed himself with the Kaylee defense, and wasn't making strong inroads into being town-read by anyone (anyone but Nolder teehee) and he was a goon, basically, the best use for him is to be bussed at an opportune moment. And that's what happened. (LDO)

 

However, because of his (relatively) low posing and extremely low actual content or interactions, I've been focusing much more on Zander. (Good idea, imo)

 

He was also a goon, but had been making inroads into getting town-read by a lot of people. Except Shad, pretty much. Even I was close to putting him more than half light green, half null, but that's as far as he got because too many null posts. (When Zander towns, the whole world knows. See: Buttercup the GOAT goat)

 

Still, he has a lot of ability to control the thread and take a leadership role, and because he's all over the place, he can plausibly go after whoever he wants. He's good at generating plausible Zander-like BS. And that's valuable to the wolf team.

 

So he's assuming he's going to live for a while, as is the rest of his wolf team. (Which means we should be able to see who wanted to keep him alive, and for the even more valuable deep wolves or wolf power roles, this means people Zander wanted to keep alive as well...)

 

WITH THAT IN MIND, I examined the following:

 

A) Who Zander talked to

B) Who talked back to Zander

and during those, I noted which of those interactions looked the most clearing (+) or damning (-) for each person.

C) Who he wants more suspicion and votes on.

D) What his leans are.

 

And finally

 

E) Things people said to Zander or about Zander which I feel are alignment indicative.

 

F) And for added bonus fun, since Zander likes to say lolololol, instead of the usual 1 marker for each instance of a thing I saw, I alternated l and o to make more lols.

 

(lololololololololololol)

 

Because I loves me some Zander. This one goes out to you, broheim.

 

 

==========================================

 

Zander

Speaks to Shad- ++++++++++lolololololololololololololololololololololo

 

He town-reads Shad a lot, but Shad does not town-read him back as hard, and eventually leads me straight to Zander around the same time Csarmi was getting pwnt.

Also, their interactions, specifically the way ZANDER talks to SHAD, reek of a wolf trying to persuade a villager of a thing. This is what a wolf will do with an active villager who is more or less universally town-read. Shad on his own looks like a villager, but the interactions with Zander continue to push that same direction.

Speaks to ATPG- lolololololololololololololololololololo

 

I just am a villager, LDO, but he did with me the same thing he did with Shad, mostly trying to get me to follow him onto Wish-tree. And I refused, because I hunt my own wolves and also, because he wasn't reeking of villageriness like the past few games.

Speaks to Cass- +++++lololololololololololol

 

The interactions with Cass were also particularly clearing. I could cite examples in a different post but I'm trying to do this quickly before dinner and without making this post extra-gigantic. The way he talks to Cass rings very much unlike a wolf talking to a fellow wolf.

Speaks to Celeste- +++lolololololololo

 

Other than Wish-Tree, Celeste was on Zander's radar. However, Zander didn't really push Celeste as an option even half as much as he pushed Wish, so naturally I looked here very closely. But the stuff he says to Celeste and vice-versa look pretty darned good. It again reads like a wolf speaking to a villager.

 

Speaks to Laine- +lololololololololo

 

Laine on her own looks pretty excellent, but she begins with Zander looking half dark green, half light green, and then he starts a gradual slide toward null, and it is largely based on their own interactions, as opposed to the specific timing of Shad and myself pushing Zander late round, which is pretty much 90% Shad's doing and 10% my being unable to clear Zander all game. But I wouldn't have pushed there if not for Shad. The specific interactions with Zander, I believe there was at least one post which looked really good. I'd have to cite it if folks are interested, but. I did look here for deep wolfing stuff, because Laine and Zander had each other high up, and Laine wasn't very scum-read by anyone. So I tried to be very thorough here. But Zander looks like he's trying to pocket Laine and get her to listen to him. It looks good, and that plus Laine's own efforts speak well of Laine.

 

Speaks to Wish- lololololololololol

 

Why aren't there more + signs here? Well because Zander is a bit bussy as a wolf, so the entire going at Wish hard could have been fake. Still, I feel the odds are better Wish is a villager. When it comes to the Wish-Zander interactions, the really clearing stuff for Wish comes in the Wish speaking to Zander category. Those posts look amaze. See below.

 

Speaks to Kaylee- lolololololol

 

It's pretty good, again I get the feeling their interactions are genuine. Besides, Csarmi's interactions with Kaylee or speaking about Kaylee look great for Kaylee. I still can't blue her, because her D1 this game was admittedly off. So it's worth looking into if the bottom of the POE turns up all villager.

 

Speaks to Turin- lolololo

 

Well, Turin was a villager who didn't speak much, so this is a good baseline for someone Zander wasn't trying to pocket, or distance from, or realistically get to move around with him. Turin did that on his own.

 

Speaks to Nolder- lolololo

 

He doesn't really talk to Nolder that much, but then again not a lot of people engage in long discussions with Nolder about anything, he was much more closed this game. Nolder kind of off in his own little world doing his own thing, making his own reads. It's possible Nolder is the deep wolf based on this lack of really substantial interaction, however, the Who Would You Shoot test seemed to work in Nolder's favor, and really, the way Nolder reacted to the Csarmi case was pretty good wolfing if it was. It might not have been especially good villaging, but it was not particularly wolfy.

 

Speaks to Csarmi- lolo

 

Just reads as someone Zander doesn't have a meta of buddying up with, and this is a person who didn't really talk to a lot of people and wasn't present in the thread for very long when he was here. See top lines for analysis of how wolves behaved toward Csarmi. We know they were both wolves now.

 

Speaks to Pralaya- l

 

Essentially ignores Pralaya because Pralaya had like 1 post in this entire section of the game, or so. So this is null for analysis.

 

Speaks to Lenlo- ---lololololololol

 

Now this is the interesting stuff, and it's stuff I want to multiquote in a separate post.

 

You'd have to have done the work, but when you look at how Zander speaks to people, the way he speaks to Lenlo is in a very special category.

 

You won't see hard clearing, hard distancing, but you will see an abnormally high number of posts where all they are doing is bantering. Just bantering. They very mildly distance from one another here or there, but also put each other very high on their villager lists.

 

Given how neither wolf that is outed wanted to push here, or establish any kind of serious, real dialogue, and all of the stuff directed at Lenlo was fluff, that feels unnatural.

 

I don't think a wolf interacting with a group of villagers and treating them all pretty much the same- talking, questioning, probing, challenging, would select this one villager and say, you know what? They're a villager and that's good enough for me, and I will sit and banter with them all round.

 

Maybe it happens for a little while, but this is multiple sessions of play over multiple days.

That indicates it is not a random convergence of several days worth of idle chatter, that indicates Zander has a political position he's consciously taking toward Lenlo, which is to not push him or really challenge him, and he's subconsciously treating Lenlo very differently from all the rest of the people in the game who have been largely town-read, and who are posting a lot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Askthepizzaguy speaks to Zander- lolololololololololololo

 

Because he was here and he was the main focus of my attempts to clear villagers, after Cass, Shad, etc, when I got to Zander's name I got stuck, confused, puzzled. He also spoke to me a lot, trying to persuade me of things, and butter me up.

 

Alanna speaks to Zander- lololololo

 

The interactions look okay here, because of the gradual slide towards less villagery that Zander took on Laine's suspicions list. I still looked for deep wolfing. But really it looks like Zander wants something from Alanna, and Alanna doesn't reciprocate or fulfill his needs. So that looks less like a team.

 

Cass speaks to Zander- +lololololol

 

There were several sharp interactions with Zander, and at least one very solid post where Cass talks to Zander in a way I do not see as a wolf buddy.

 

Nolder speaks to Zander- lolo

 

Nolder pretty much ignores Zander all round, and gives him a few negative points. This can be deep wolfing, admittedly. But I have other counterindicators elsewhere in the thread. He's pretty much all by his lonesome pushing me as the scummiest guy. Turin hops on, because Turin had a rather bad day one. ;)

Lenlo speaks to Zander- lololololol

 

Oh, here we go. Lenlo's reciprocation towards Zander's bantering indicates that this is not a random occurrence either. It's symmetrical for the most part. Lenlo, after moving up a lot of people's leans lists because he was openly slacking and goofing off, continued to do so, for the remainder of the round pretty much.

 

More than any other interaction I looked at, Zander to Lenlo, and Lenlo to Zander, their posts indicated to me that Zander really didn't want Lenlo to be the focus of the round, the center of the discussion, and neither of them wanted to see the other die. And their symmetrical not-pushing, not hard defending, not-nulling one another kind of banter just reeks of two wolves who are in a good position not wanting to lose the other.

 

This will be mutiquoted.

Wish speaks to Zander- +++lololololo

 

Wish pretty much smacks Zander around D1. It's great. And it doesn't feel w/w or for show.

Kaylee speaks to Zander- lolol

 

Kaylee didn't speak to Zander very much during the first 50 pages, her attention seemed to be elsewhere. Zander spoke to her a lot more. Kaylee also never really went along with whatever Zander wanted to do, seemed to be oblivious to Zander being a wolf, and the whole Csarmi thing is separately a good look. I still tinfoiled hard, thinking well, alone, she looks hella wolfy and she admits it. Was Csarmi leaping to her defense? But no, the way things went down, I think Csarmi wasn't hard defending Kaylee, but trying to fuel my mislynch fire and still not be blamed for the aftermath, by calling her a villager.

 

Again, I think if Kaylee was a wolf, Csarmi would have gone, well... it's fairly convincing stuff. But I think X is scummier. Or had something more than the weaksauce explanation why she was a villager that he gave.

Celeste speaks to Zander- +lololo

 

These interactions in particular look great for Celeste. Not hard clearing, but good.

 

Wants me to vote Wish- lololololololololo

 

So I considered the possibilities of hard bussing. But, a goon hard bussing the godfather or roleblocker? Nay. Not d1 for no raisin.

Wants me to vote Celeste- lololo

 

Considered deep wolfing. But if suspicions picked up on Celeste, the way they had been talking, Zander would have been forced to bus his godfather or roleblocker or whatever. I think that's dumb.

Wants me to vote Turin- lo

 

Mostly because I pushed the case, so he fed me some fuel to try to make it happen, or convince me I was correct, a little bit.

 

Leans 501

Pizza- Green <----------Me

Lenlo- Green <---------------Deep wolf

Kaylee- Light Green <--------Possible, but there are counterindicators.

Alanna- Light Green <--------Dark green

Cass- Null Green <-----------Blue

Shad- Null Green <------------Lock clear

Nolder- Null Lean town <------Villager I think

Pralaya- Null <------------Unknown, possible wolf

Csarmi- Null <----------Wolf

Turrin- Orange <---------------Villager

Celeste- Orange/Red <------Villager I think

Wish- Mostly Red <-----------Blue

 

Speaks about Zander: (With colors that represent how it makes me lean on the person making the quote)

79 Cass "Zander and Laine making me wary"

109 Cass "In a nutshell, Zander feeling a little forced..."

117 Cass (Lots of negative reads on Zander, mitigated by "doubt I'm voting you today")

 

233 Lenlo "See, I didnt get the feeling she was calling you scum. Your abit defensive here about it to, which I dont know how I feel about, and thats bad. Focus on being the Zander from previous games or else I may have to lynch you." <-----The end part of that sentence feels out of sync with the rest of his game. It's like forced and temporary sharpness in a sea of low-key banter interactions. I don't buy it.

 

238 Cass "I like both the observation and the question here from Zander.

I actually liked the entire post except for the 'hmmmmmmm' part of his 'hmmmmmmmm lolololololololol' comment. More importantly I think it's a good, villagery sign that he's spanning out and focusing on more players. One thing I think I picked up on in ZanderDiaboloScum! was a rather persistently, closed tunneling feel. He felt more restrained and fake." <-----Went from wary to good in a short span of time, but very soon puts him closer to null. This movement indicates that her feelings are based on actual feelings she's having about Zander's posts as they happen, as opposed to a political position she must take due to being wolf with him.

 

262 Lenlo "Zander felt abit defensive about Cass and hasnt done much since. That worries me with him." <----But doesn't do jack about it and doesn't push Zander ever.

 

293 Laine: "Zander and I always joke back and forth and pretty much always town read each other early. Doesn't mean I'm not wary of him, because I've seen him play as mafia. We did the same thing as scum mates and nobody thought it was forced lol" "Zander always jokes. Until he finds scum or "finds scum." Then he's SRS BNS." <-----Pretty null, and in context, this reads like something a villager would say due to what Laine was responding to.

 

321 Lenlo "I know you do that Z, but this time when calling it out it felt defensive, rather than offensive. When you call people out for doing scummy things you go at them. Your are taking what feels off and going on the offensive with it. That instance though felt more defensive in nature and was off to me." <---This is not enough to get people to vote for Zander. It's too soft, so it is distancing. "Felt defensive" and "felt off" are so generic, there's virtually zero chance Zander will be wagoned or even voted once for making such a statement about Zander. And surely Lenlo had no intention of doing so himself, so.... distancing.

 

397 Wish "I don't understand how Zander is reading me if he thinks I'm Penny... We're two completely different players." <---Villager

 

429 Nolder "Joke response. Tone is natural. Meta indicates this may be unusual as Xander often engages in hypotheticals with other players to determine alignment. -1.5" <----This is possible distancing, but who would believe it? It makes sense to Nolder, and zero other people. So it lacks a wolfy motive.

 

449 Celeste "Well than excuse you for not seeing that I don't have the average tells of a townie because y'all are too focused on average tells. I'm still looking and not certain with reads except for the one's on Cass and Wish. The whole fact that y'all are pushing into a defensive corner doesn't help because it blocks the scum hunting. If you guys are so adamant that I'm not a townie than congrats you have your first mislynch. I'm done defending this little issue with the timing of my unvote." <----The frustration feels real;, the sharpness, and the fact that it is prompted by plenty of Zander's own behavior makes this response more genuine and less politically motivated.

 

651 Laine "Additionally, what do I gain by trying to get you on my side? I could just as easily top town read Zander or Pizza and buddy them, or even a different player who I think will have a lot of sway with the town. But why, if were going under the assumption that I'm doing this to gain your favor, would I choose you?" (@ Lenlo)

Laine's response here feels exactly like a villager's reaction, and the fact that Laine is not reciprocating Zander's easy villager read of her is a good look.

 

669 Me "Zander- Are you trying to pocket me?" <----LOL

 

673 Me "I want a solid post from Zander that pushes me irrevocably in that direction. Like, I completely nailed one two games ago, and made the game much easier to read. He got ate in fact." <---My problem was that he had made such posts in both other games.

 

682 about 262 Cass "Complete mind-melding with Lenlo on this post. @ZANDER THIS DOESN'T MEAN I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. It means I'm still trying to figure your alignment out." "Zander. The more I read of you, the more it's like looking into a mirror of my mind \m/ . Your 'pinged gut feel' is wrong. I'm legit me here, I'll figure you out!" <----The way Cass is shouting at Zander here feels realistic to me, for her anyway.

 

762 Wish "I'm also wondering why Zander isn't replying to my isos." <---This is good.

 

773 Cass "Move Zander closer to null and put Pizza null-town and this is a good list IMO. Zander's null because he's active and probing and enthusiastic (good) but may be extra tinfoily/tunnellish and seems to give few detailed opinions beyond being suspicious. Still watching this space." <----Cass not town-reading Zander is a good look.

 

790 Wish "I thought that's what I did..... I thought you wanted me to go back and iso things in order to explain things. what?"

Read that post for the context. Really doesn't feel w/w

 

807 Cass "YW :) But I'm more interested in you expressing what it was you actually found... Spill?" <----Great push on Zander, doesn't feel like w/w faked game solving.

 

837 Cass "I got that bit, I want you to examine it and your gut read and give examples of where you feel he's stretching/wishy-washy. Your 'reasons' are so vague they're null to scum refusing to commit. Work with me!" <----Excellent.

 

 

Other thoughts:

Cass unlikely to be wolf with Zander

Shad unlikely to be wolf with Zander

Laine unlikely to be wolf with Zander

Wish unlikely to be wolf with Zander

Shad unlikely to be wolf with Zander <-----This is me re-arranging the list and not deleting when I copy and paste.

I'm not a wolf with Zander

Kaylee not blue yet, but looks ok

Nolder not blue yet, but looks ok

Celeste looking better as of pg 50

 

 

Conclusion: Not conclusive, but Lenlo will always have to be resolved mechanically at this point and he looks the worst. So let's lynch him.

 

And now what should be done is me multiquoting Zander talking to Lenlo, and Lenlo talking to Zander.

 

But, why wait for me to do it?

 

You guys can look yourselves while I'm trying to assemble it. I have dinner coming up soon and I've already done tons of work today.

 

But look for yourselves, tell me what you see.

Very interesting. Doesn't look good for Leno

[Kaylee]

 

Vote: Lenlo

 

Lenlo, tell me why I am voting for you. Explain what you did this game which would lead people to believe that you are the mafia godfather or roleblocker.

Let's see... get cleared early for tone, then do little actual work. Stay in thread to get attention while throwing out tidbits. If I was godfather the plan would be to get viewed and cleared early on.

 

Just so we don't waste this time I'll follow Turins lead. I'm the Cop. D2 town PR reveal ftw.

Well then. Pral or Celeste.

 

What were your results from last night? Also did you choose that target?

[Kaylee]

 

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

Lenlo, this does not look good for you, especially because Zander died.

 

Either you're Mafia or the actual cop. I don't think we've gotten anywhere on this. There is no reason for a VT to claim cop, imo.

Which is why I'm believing his claim. As he and Piazza said, he doesn't live the night.

[Kaylee]

 

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

Lenlo, this does not look good for you, especially because Zander died.

 

Either you're Mafia or the actual cop. I don't think we've gotten anywhere on this. There is no reason for a VT to claim cop, imo.

If there is a Godfather present, then there is no reason for scum Lenlo to claim cop. Why? Because if Lenlo is the Godfather, obviously he wouldn't sacrifice himself. If Lenlo is not the Godfather, then what is the need to out the cop? The cop cannot find the Godfather anyway.

 

The optimal play from scum Lenlo would have been to claim the vig. He didn't. He is likely telling the truth.

Very much this.

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

 

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

Lenlo, this does not look good for you, especially because Zander died.

 

Either you're Mafia or the actual cop. I don't think we've gotten anywhere on this. There is no reason for a VT to claim cop, imo.

 

If there is a Godfather present, then there is no reason for scum Lenlo to claim cop. Why? Because if Lenlo is the Godfather, obviously he wouldn't sacrifice himself. If Lenlo is not the Godfather, then what is the need to out the cop? The cop cannot find the Godfather anyway.

 

The optimal play from scum Lenlo would have been to claim the vig. He didn't. He is likely telling the truth.

 

Hi, Pralaya.

 

I apppreciate you popping in to defend Lenlo. What I would like to see is your own work as well. 

 

 

 

Don't have a single non-game post so far.

 

(Except the above one :) )

 

lol

 

I think my main issue was how much you posted, not how much content you had.

 

Give me a reason to move you up. What is your WTL list today?

 

 

Likely because I skipped half the posts and skimmed the other half. Well, not exactly. I did try to read the first 50 pages in detail 

 

Cass, Celeste, Laine and Kaylee are the only ones I don't think are town. I have clear reasons to town clear the others. Cass would be my WTL

[Nolder]

Ok 10 pages to catch up on that's not too bad.

Let me do that then I'll work on my first ISO.

[alannalynn]

Waking up, skimming until I'm on a computerr blehhhh

 

Cass, Celeste, Laine and Kaylee are the only ones I don't think are town. I have clear reasons to town clear the others. Cass would be my WTL

lol

[Nolder]

WRT Nolder

 

From yesterday to end of notes

 

 

 

 

Nolder

 

++++

• 737, 742 sarcasm about own gun question

 

 

- - - -

• 179 - don’t like

• 183, 430, 728,  Commentary on own actions, still no comment on game - not interested beyond gun question

• 846 as above but more interest in game

• 429 if taken seriously

• 744 Doesn’t feel like he’s really questionning Penny for poss scum

• 844 interacts with Zander, own opinions meh

• Vote Pral - don’t like wording/feels like an excuse (routine for Pral)

???

183 - very focused on gun question ?strange methods meta?

 

 

FTR, I'm willing to listen to him today, but I'm not going to fight his lynch and I don't have Nolder 'high'. I have him 'highly conflicted'. The gun thing at the beginning and events outside the thread being his only focus in the beginning of the game concern me, I have a lot of minuses in my notes that I haven't been able to take the time to rationalise/explain and I'm still debating what to make of his vote on Pral and deliberation over Csarmi but my gut says he may be Town.

 

His increasing interest in the game could be coming from a town mindset if I take some negatives away. I've been warned he has strange tactics as either alignment sometimes and I wonder if it's just this and paranoia that's throwing me off.  The impression I got was that he was he was beginning to really work hard and if he's Town I think/hope he'll come through. I don't hate that he voted Pizza. I'm wary of Pizza. I'll always be wary of Pizza. I didn't overly like Kaylee for top lynch yesterday and TBQF the way Pizza presented his case freaked me out. Nolder's hesitation seemed Towny to me and the fact he was willing to vote Pizza day 1 is kind of impressive. It's also weird.

 

There's a lot of -'s in my notes on Nolder and Pizza's done more Town things for me to date. I want to see where Nolder takes things today, and I want him to lynch scum before I move him out of my PoE. 

 

There's a gap in my understanding, and I haven't done proper notes for everything past p. 50/51 but thoughts on things yesterday that I'm struggling with are his vote on Pral and the deliberation on Csarmi.

 

Pral is firmly in my PoE, so Nolder voting him/thinking he's scum is a plus. The problem is Nolder was also in my top 3, and the reasoning alongside his vote was generic enough to disturb me. I questioned him on it and the interaction that followed made me more uncomfortable than it put me at ease.

 

Nolder's hesitation on Csarmi bugged me. He's played with Csarmi before. TownCsarmi is pretty obvious. TownCsarmi questions everything and everything when scum and he blatantly wasn't doing that here, and it wasn't that hard to check/see.

 

His read of me is crap, but it's possibly understandable. Can't lean that either way.

 

Like I said, I want much more from Nolder today, and I want him to lynch scum. If he does that, I'll let go of more tinfoil and let him move closer to my Town core.

Cass did you ever see my post about why I was being so closed with my reads?

Since I explained it I haven't had any problem sharing my thoughts and reads on people.

I was trying to do something and it just didn't pan out.

[Nolder]

Has Celeste still not explained her whole rustlemania thing with regards to me?

[Nolder]

 

I have to grudgingly admit that Nomi has been on the right track so far.

I am stubborn so I'm not clearing him but I'll put his lynch on low priority today.

As a matter of fact right now I'm not interested in lynching anyone.

I badly need more people in my village so that's my goal for today and if I manage to resolve the slots then I'll figure out how I feel about the rest of the players.

wtf

 

Well what do you want?

I don't like being that wrong when I was so sure I was right.

He could still be scum. It's possible.

Just leave me to nurse a bit of my wounded pride ok.

If he's not on my chopping block then it doesn't really matter does it?

[Nolder]

I think I'm going to stop note taking.

I feel like this is holding my game back rather than helping me.

It's making this game a chore and something I don't want to do rather than aiding me in the fun part which is casing and catching mafia.

[Kaylee]

So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear), and for Celeste.

 

I know it's not me. Pral and Celeste are highest on my list.

 

I'll Pral

 

Taking Lenlo off my WTL. I disagree with his conclusion on Cass.

[Kaylee]

Dammit wrong code [v]Pral[/v]

[Nolder]

 

Well first of all let's start at the beginning because if you don't have a good foundation the whole thing falls apart anyway.

This is all based on the assumption that Csarmi and Xander are wolves together.

I'm not necessarily opposed to that idea since I don't have Xander in my town pile yet and a couple people were saying he's off his town meta but I'd still like to see you make the case for Xander and Csarmi being connected before I take the rest of that too seriously. 

 

If I can't buy that Xander/Csarmi are w/w the rest of it doesn't matter you know?

Well, apparently the vig bought that Zander/csarmi are w/w. 

 

What's the rest?

 

Nolder, what do you read Kaylee as atm? What about Pizza? What about Cass? Lenlo? Pralaya?

 

1) There is no rest. I never bothered to go that far because it would have been a waste of my time if you couldn't convince me of Xander's connection to Csarmi in the first place. It was your job to prove the case not my job to prove you wrong.

 

2) Kaylee light green. Been that way most of the game. If there's a deep wolf I think she's my girl.

3) IDK I was very convinced he's scum but he's said and done some very unscummy things towards EOD1 and during N1. I want him to be scum but he probably isn't. I refuse to discount it yet but I'm not putting his head on the block.

4) Cass is in kind of a similar place except instead of seeming scummy and then doing townie things I feel like she just hasn't done enough to show her scumminess yet. Maybe I'm just wrong here idk.

5) 100% Town.

6) IDK need to ISO.

 

My goal today is not to catch scum.

My goal is to add more townies to my village and lynch from whoever's not in it.

[Lenlo]

So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear), and for Celeste.

 

I know it's not me. Pral and Celeste are highest on my list.

 

I'll Pral

 

Taking Lenlo off my WTL. I disagree with his conclusion on Cass.

Will not.

[Lenlo]

 

So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear), and for Celeste.

 

I know it's not me. Pral and Celeste are highest on my list.

 

I'll Pral

 

Taking Lenlo off my WTL. I disagree with his conclusion on Cass.

Will not.

 

Also what conclusion on Cass?

[Nolder]

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

In what world does a cop claim here?

I don't get it.

 

Lenlo you wanna explain yourself?

And please make it good I'm tired of my reads making idiots of me this game. >_>

[Lenlo]

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

In what world does a cop claim here?

I don't get it.

 

Lenlo you wanna explain yourself?

And please make it good I'm tired of my reads making idiots of me this game. >_>

 

The world where Pizzas gonna go ham on me and I dont have the energy or will to go back and pull things to fight it.