[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

Humor me please?

AJ took Nolder out of the picture by ensuring Tab would have four votes if Snow doesn't go down. I'm torn between Nolder and Snow but I would lynch either of them over Tab, so Snow it is.

 

 

 

So in theory if I switched to Nolder you'd vote there?

 

No. In reality I have no clue who I want to lynch but AJ made the decision easy for me.

 

You put snow on the same level as Nolder, but you wouldnt vote Nolder? Whats with that Shad?

 

 

AJ said he'd switch to Tab if Snow's lynch wasn't going through.  Off the top of my head, that would have made a Nolder vote from me result in 4 on Tab, 3 on Nolder, 2 on Snow, without any obvious sign that others would show up to vote before deadline.  So I committed to my reads and took the path that would get someone in my scum pile lynched rather than Tab.  /shrug

 

You did ask me later whether I'd be willing to switch to Nolder.  IIRC it was less than 10 minutes before deadline and I was just trying to get reactions out of people at that point.

[Shad_]

I have to go do things, will finish catching up later

[Lenlo]

Zander may have asked you that, but I didnt. At that point I knew Nolder wasnt getting lynched sadly so I switched to snow.

 

The thing is thought Shad, and what I have problem with, is that you say voting for Nolder would have resulted in Tab getting lynched. And yet you didnt vote for Snow. You didnt vote for anyone. You were in the no-vote category at EoD, which demonstrates to me you didnt care who got lynched. Atleast not enough to ensure it.

[Zander?]

@ Pizza I know youre busy brother.  I'm only looking for some info from you.  If youre so confident you will be the NK and you actually are a reads list with reasons would be very helpful imo.

 

I wont go away but that's just me and ofc

 

I you.

 

Im not tinfoiling on you atp.  I'm looking for info from you.  You know how good I know you are as both alignments.  Me looking to gather info and solidify a solid read on you should not bother you at all.

[Zander?]

I can't get much of a lean on Andrej, but I'm either getting null or scum from his posts. Lenlo I did a full read on, is on the town side, less confident than the dice read, nothing scummy in these posts.

 

What exactly did you see from AJ atp?

 

John Snow is my number 2 townie under Dice so far.

 

Great read or TMI on John Snow here?  Thoughts people?

[Zander?]

 

 

Nolder is awesome. It's such a shame he's mafia this time.

 

Vote: Nolder

 

 

What made you choose Nolder here.  It seems like a joke vote but then you proceeded to build your case on him.  Seems strange to me.

 

 

I can't recall ever seeing Dice be a townie. But then again I am probably forgetting one game.

 

This game, I think Dice is pretty solidly townie. It's in his tone and sense of humor. I sense something good here.

 

 

This post is also very strange.  Can't quite put my finger on it.....

 

 

Zander, I'm a townie and you'd be better off not tinfoiling me right now.

 

And you're being sloppy here. If you look I had already cased out Nolder by reading his other games. The vote preceeded the posted reasons, because sometimes that's how I roll. It's not indicative of anything.

 

Zander, brother: I am going to be murdered this game. No offense, but go away.

 

Still love you man. (hugs)

 

 

that's why its sticking out to me man.  and it could very well be indicative of something.

[Zander?]

 

 

i'm more or less here, sorta, kinda

 

@Pizza: the wolfie comment was for you, buddy

 

I'm aware, I'm trying to keep you out of my red list by pretending you're saying something else.

 

I'd nearly be offended if you wouldn't vote me at least once this game... nearly. But voting me would be bad *nods* Unless... you're a wolf, ofcourse. then, go ahead *nods again*

 

Also, welcome to the odd timezones where we miss out on interacting ITT unless we sacrifice sleep

 

 

Maybe its just me being weird but for some reason I'd like to hear Thane explain this out a bit more.  This little back and forth is making my Spidey senses tingle.

[Zander?]

I won't be blindly following Thane's opinion this game. Wink wink Thane.

 

 

 

 

 

I won't be blindly following Thane's opinion this game. Wink wink Thane.

which is an excellent strategy, unless we're both alive by... let's say D3. Then we have to figure things out together, ok?

 

 

 

Another couple comments that are pinging me.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

I won't be blindly following Thane's opinion this game. Wink wink Thane.

which is an excellent strategy, unless we're both alive by... let's say D3. Then we have to figure things out together, ok?

 

 

I'm not willing to give you a go off and do your own thing pass until I think you're behaving like a townie. So far it's null or worse, and making me cautious.

 

Tell you what I want from you, I want you to pin me down as town or scum by end of day one, and say why. If you do this it will help me read you.

 

Can you do this? I'll be as content-heavy and participatory as the previous 2 games on here.

 

well, i think we had one game together, where you turned out wolf and had me pocketed... .so, pardon me if i'm a bit cautious around you. That's a compliment, btw. I consider you a good mafia player. 

 

All I read from Pizza's post is: "if I'm town I'm right and I'll be dead. If I'm wolf, I might also be right, and kill me because I'm wolf" I think this ends in death for Pizza either way LOL I'm hungry for pizza now...

 

Thane, if you're town, just play like you did in AoL and I'll be a happy camper

I'll do my best to catch the wolves. Like Frozen, but with a happy ending this time.

 

 

 

What game was this?

 

 

 

How about this..

 

[v] John Snow [/v]

Whatcha got on John Snow?

 

 

 

What are you looking for here?  You have John has your 2nd best Town read atp.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shad: (Note, I found Laine townish as well before the replacement, but i find it more useful to read Shad because it's stronger)

There were little posts here and there which struck me as townie thinking, but I was sold by the reasons I laid out in post 716
Shad is currently my top town read. But I would like Shad to please clarify for me everything I've highlighted in purple, because I do not know where you're getting some of your town reads.

Called John Snow town 513
Wants to redirect my attention to Dice's D1 of Diablo vs this game. 558
Observation 561
Leans strong town on Lenlo 568
Leans town on Zander 581
Doesn't like Nolder or NotBob's reactions to my sus 600
Never lynching lenlo 605
"I definitely think that a town in Pizza's position though, in the absence of any meta, would find it pretty suspect that you basically settled on agreeing to disagree rather than prodding Pizza further, and once he clarified (without being asked) that this was the root of his concern, I felt better about him." 623 leans town on me, gives a good thought process reason. Also gives reason to be concerned about Notbob: "Basically, I don't expect town!NotBob to prod people whose actions he finds suspicious.  I expect him to somewhat passively take note of them and vote accordingly. Now I have the above quote chain to chew on, and it's a little bit harder to swallow. Scum require deeper motivation to "backpedal" than to make an opening push, and the grounds for interpreting Pizza's actions at face value thin out. Why do you think Pizza backpedaled in this instance?" Good and not superficial points being made.
Calls BFG obvious town 642 (I do want to know why)
651 example shows depth of thought
Skirts the issue of Dice a little bit 677
682 doesn't say why Dice is probably town
714 gives Thane a town read, I'd like to know why
716 fully explains town read on Shad
718 thinks Nolder is scum but disagrees with someone as to why
Shad discounts me/Andrej w/w I'm not sure I follow why
740 is a good point, albeit one I was making already explicitly
763 point
768 sees Zander as possibly scum
776 I like these kind of questions
781 prioritizes Taborline, then Zander, doesn't see them w/w
793 leans list
895 leans town on Dice
903 good observation vs Nolder
928 tries to lynch Taborline
962 unvotes, probably for reactions. I don't see a scum doing this. It's dangerous and leads to hard questions.
 

 
 
Zander:
Trickier to read because tone and aggression versus potential wolves are null for him now. I cannot use tone or aggression v wolves as a clearing mechanism for him. Still, I found something else that's probably more solid. Fool me twice, Zander.
 

I like 276 observation on Dice.
Clears Laine/Shad in 278
Pushes back on me a bit 280, which is not scummy of him.
Finds JS scummy every game, which doesn't mean much.
288 cites why Laine is town by post.
Wants to read NotBob town 289 for reasons I don't understand.
Likes BFG.
Skeptical of me though town lean 301. Expected.
Skeptical of my reasons for leaning strong town on John Snow. 303
Pushback on Lenlo, sharp against Lenlo.
Wants AJ to respond to his question.
345 good post. 347 I understand.
436 is true and presses Nolder on it.
441 presses Tabor for being timid. I agree.
451 presses BFG for elaboration.
455 presses NotBob for generic smudging of me, wants clarification
458 I don't like Zander's reaction to John Snow here. The reasons are true, the reaction feels along the lines of sus'ed for the wrong reasons. Dunno how much of an indicator it is.
Asks AJ to look into BFG and elaborate more.
Disagree on 503, I'm exactly the same as when I was Nomi. Bad memory.
My impression so far is that I need to be wary of Zander. But he is different from Matrix.
Says Shad is town 585
602 about Tab isn't wrong. Pressure needed to go here. I can't read Tab based on that.
609 Completely agree about the hedgy nature of the post cited here, re Tab
613 more cites about Tab being wishy washy
619 leans list.
663 really solid citations
673 is a misread, and it seems honest. Comes from a place of not perfect info.
679 finds a reason to like Lenlo.
Pushes Shad to elaborate more on Dice, and then a reads list.
713 thinks Nolder is caught, howling.
782 great, very townie post by Zander. I think this one is alignment indicative.
Continued pressure on Tabor
Wants indecisive people on Tabor
862 could be correct
889 was truth.
953 I like it, could be wrong alignment-wise but it's an inconsistency and truth.
 
I like the end of day push, it's just that Zander busses, so it doesn't mean much. It does match his town game too.

 
John Snow
 
Well, he's solid blue now.
 
Well I listed reasons why he was a townie already. Now he's a dead one. Lynching AFK people who said they'd be afk? But we won't lynch Thane? I don't get this at all. People need to explain why they voted John Snow. Specifically BFG, who I have serious doubts about.
 
Lenlo:
 

Sits in the thread for many straight hours when nothing is happening.
167 Lenlo seems a bit different from last time.
Sits in the thread for many straight hours again.
I like 237.
342 looks honest.
Battles with Nolder for a long while.
525 Leans list. Disagree with Zander's placement, BFG's placement. Want to know why AJ is so high.
I dont like 692, and a lot of the tone in Lenlo's posts lately.
The difference between lenlo here and Matrix Lenlo may be the fact that he's not under pressure and being bussed to hell by Zander.
I don't like 769
919 feels fake
I don't like 944
985 feels like an attempt to find as many people to sus as possible.

I don't know Lenlo that well. He could be a serial killer, maybe part of a scum team. Maybe I'm just not reading him right, because there are some indicators of town-ness. But my trust in him has dipped considerably. I would want him scanned if possible. I think my odds of misreading him are high because although I see the difference between his game here and Matrix, the conditions and pressure he's under are also wildly different. There's little bits about his attitude I distrust.
 
Positives: He is aggressive and camping in the thread. Generically, that's good.
Negatives: He's spreading the suspicion around a bit too much and seems to have settled into a safe spot regarding suspecting Nolder and Notbob based on stuff I said. He could be playing to hide in my blind spot.
 
Given the John Snow vote, Lenlo and Taborline could be scum together. It's possible, anyway.
 
I am going to give him a town point for Dice's read of him, and my earlier read on him, and just hope my recent feelings are wrong.

 
Dicetosser1:

Dice and I are going to disagree a lot on suspects and methods. We have so far.
That said, he's a town Dice. We need to work together somehow. Most important about Dice is that he's not giving off ANY scum tells.
 

I like the opening posts.
104 I want to know why
179 seems fine.
295 feels more like real Dice and not like the Dice I encountered in Matrix.
I like 386 versus Taborline.
I seriously hate the reason cited for the John Snow vote. It's null and Dice is admitting it's null, he just doesn't like it. It's essentially a random vote and it was a terribly poor one. I am not saying it makes Dice not a townie. Dice put a lot more BS behind his vote for me in Matrix. It's just something I dislike a lot. 485
498 is fine.
804 I'm going to trust your read on Lenlo because I can't identify where he's really town-telling. I think you're town, and hope your experience will fill in the gaps in my analysis, Dice.
806 is an honest reaction and response. I like this, even if we don't agree. This is also a viable and town-sounding plan.
807 is fine as an opinion, and I've recently experienced why this is correct even.
892 thumbs up
945 I like
952 reasonable question
961 see above

 
Thane-slot: Null
 
I am aware that he's basically unable to get to the computer and, if I were to guess, between Tabor and him, he's the one going to be subbed out. I did try to learn as much as I could about the slot, because wasting time in these games is frigging terrible. But I was not successful. Therefore it is null.
 
By Pizza's we're boned rule, and odds, indicates town is likely to have been randed into the slot (not certain of course) and that more time should be extended to form an opinion. What little Thane was able to post wasn't much in terms of substance, and I can't read it.
 
 
 
Taborline: Null to scummy.
 
Recommend scanning her randomly or N1 and giving her more time, on review.

Pizzaguy's "we're boned" rule: Players not voting are usually town, if they had a chance to vote. Scum rarely don't put down a vote unless they are literally afk most of the round.

Taborline is busy, and there's way too much null here. Tabor could be freaked out at being a scumbag for the first time, it's possible. It's also possible that this is wrong. She's a great scan choice or vig choice, but maybe not a D2 lynch. We don't gain enough data. If she's still alive somehow in the very late game, a better read on her will be possible.

The whole problem with Tabor is that she's not town-telling and she's acting differently and there's very little to work from. That's fair suspicion but she probably won't survive the game. I think we can do what I said about Nolder and increase Taborline's murder equity and remove her as a mislynch option that way.
 
I know Tabor was spotted being online at DL and doing nothing. It's odd behavior and Tabor hasn't been helpful so far. It could be scummy. It is not always.
 

Page 1-15 Fluff or absent entirely
315 delay
368 Leans town on me, is bothered by Lenlo.
509 reverses earlier bother about Lenlo.
819 there's no hunting here just explaining herself.
834 is work, but I cant really tell how she feels about John Snow. Seems like there's town and scum weak leans conflicting on John.
837 delay
 
As mentioned by others, the fact that she was faffing around and online at deadline might not be alignment indicative. She should have voted to self-preserve if she was scum.

 
AndreJ: Unfinished, mild lean scum because of POE
 
I wanted to do AJ in this read, but I do not have the time, because of his post count. I'm sorry, I'll look at him when I return if I survive N1.
 
I remember having issues with the AJ slot and I decided to simply observe. I would say this: If there's no scums inside of Taborline and Thane, AJ is scum, period.
 
Nolder
 
NotBob: unfinished
 
I already explained in great detail why there's stuff wrong with Nolder and NotBob, and I would be baffled, utterly baffled if one of them isn't a scumbag, and both is even possible.
 
I didn't do the work on NotBob, I need to know more. He's a great scan, so is Nolder IMO. Vig shots could also land in either slot and I would be happy.
 
Nolder feels different from his town game, and needs to be resolved by lynch or scan or vig before game ends, period. That said, I'm fine with giving him more time. But his argument methods were hella scummy.
 
I don't know NotBob well enough to be confident. Thus more work is needed. But I dislike NotBob's day one and would lynch NotBob over every single player that I have as null or townie.
 
BFG:
 
This is all I can say about BFG:
 
"11. BFG - don't like 959, and I hate 976. It's stalling."
 
That does not indicate townie.
 
 

[v]Snow[/v]

Dice, I'd rather vote someone I find scummy than someone I'm mostly null on.

 

Tab's level of uninvolvement is pretty massive.  She didn't even follow up with her Nolder thoughts.

:/

Pretty much this though

 

Zander when did you push Tabor? What stage of the game?

 
 
Note the timestamps on these posts.
 
This rush of posts at the end, and the timing of them, the specific vote, the question she asked Zander with literally 1 minute left in the round, indicates that her psychological state was not normal. It indicates she was under stress.
 
It doesn't have to mean that Tabor was scum. They could be townies, but BFG was skating all round, and might have been having trouble finding a place to put a vote, and couldn't explain away not voting. So, she was compelled to place a vote, as scums often feel compelled to do so, and I don't buy that that final question she posed to Zander was something she was doing for any reason other than flat out stalling and padding her participation near the end.
 
It's basically an attempt to divert attention away from what she was doing.
 
BFG was looking forward to playing with me this game, and she's done nothing with me, basically. She's afraid of getting into an entanglement with me.
 
She's hiding, she's stressed, and she's feeling guilty.
 
She's total scum and needs to die 100% of the time this game. Never, ever, ever, ever let her survive this game. She's essentially caught.
 
This overrides everything else she did today.

[Zander?]

Can you identify the post(s) that gave you that feeling, go into a little more detail as to the specifics of the feeling?

 

It's important for my read on you. :) Help me know your brain.

 

ok sorry you answered my last question about this.

 

 

 

 

Nolder by miles and miles, and a little bit Thane and a little bit AJ by inches and inches.

 

Agree with Thane.  Nolder and AJ less so.   

 

 

 

What about Thane NotBob were you finding scummy atp?

[Askthepizzaguy]

John Snow

Askthepizzaguy (Too bad.)
Shad
Zander
Dice
Thane - true null

Taborline - should be resolved somehow

Lenlo- I have to trust other's reads here because I have very conflicting feelings.
Andrej- POE, basically.

Nolder
NotBob- need to research.
BFG
 

I need someone inside of Lenlo, Andrej, and NotBob identified properly as a townie, because I'm having trouble. I need another townie and there should be at least one inside this group. Tabor being found out to be a townie would be helpful as well, but Tabor needs to start voting.

 

That's all I got.

 

Never ever scan me tonight, you will regret it just like last game.

[Zander?]

@ Pizza.  thank you for bringing up BFG's EoD i wanted to see who would mention it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zander, sorry for totally blowing you off here, but I spent way too much time on this and I owe Sooh some hamburgers and a night of romance.

 

This game is on the shelf until D2.

 

Lub you boo.

[Lenlo]

Pizza, is there anything you want addressed to help with your read on me? As for your list there are some bits I disagree with but in general its pretty good. I can see why some of your reads differ from mine and im glad you explained them.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Why is Nolder a townie?

 

more null than townie.

 

 

You disagreed with the read that he was a mafioso.

 

In my mind that implies you've got a fair read or any read at all of him being a townie.

 

Default/I don't have a clue, is what I consider null.

 

Disagreeing with a read by saying you don't know is not a valid reason to disagree in my opinion. It just makes me think you're backing off of taking a stand on Nolder for no legit reason I can see.

 

Those are my reactions to that. Hi, I'm Askthepizzaguy. Pleased to meet you NotBob, help me understand your brain.

 

When you figure that out, please let me know

 

 

lol...i'm obvious to a fault.

 

 

[Zander?]

 

 

The other half are players not actually in the game. Which I agree with you on, btw. That'll be confusing/distracting for a bit

 

But I kept my top on and everything... :/

 

 

Dont do that!!!

 

 

 

The other half are players not actually in the game. Which I agree with you on, btw. That'll be confusing/distracting for a bit

 

But I kept my top on and everything... :/

 

 

Why...? 

 

 

this!

 

I get where you're coming from with your thinking, Laine (as I'm told you prefer to be called by, sez Sooh)

 

I can give you my reactions to John Snow's posts as I re-read them.

 

 

 

 

My impression is that he wants to get this game started and is clearly very uncomfortable (in a good way) with the lack of content and lack of seriousness or anything to sink his teeth into so far, which is a feeling that is not often faked by scum in my experience, and a feeling commonly felt by certain personalities such as my own particularly when a day 1 hasn't gotten really rolling yet. That feeling is a large part of why John Snow is a townie for me.

 

Next, although generically, the vote with someone he was just voting for, without really clearing that person, would be suspicious to me, the specific situation rolls differently down that continental divide and ends up in a different ocean for me (pardon the elaborate metaphor).

 

This doesn't feel like that in this circumstance. In that circumstance Lenlo was basically the only other active person around, and he clearly wants to break out of the doldrums of day one. This is an active player uncomfortable with inactivity, lack of thread presence and discussion, and wants to get the ball rolling.

 

My reaction to his Zander push:

 

 

Is John Snow a lock to be town? No. But I don't agree with the conclusions you've reached, Laine, on John, and I am pretty solid on that stance unless something substantial changes things.

 

I think your thought process on him is fair enough, I just have specific reasons why I don't think it leans that way. I think my findings on John are more solid than your points against.

 

Red   as I stated to AJ JS has had this sort of start to every game i can think of him in since he came back   what?? 6mths ago? In fact they feel so similar i think they are planned.

 

Blue   Snow can be active but he can also suddenly disappear for days. Think your jumping to some conclusions off a too limited sample.

 

Johns start bugs me. It gives me bad vibes but it does that every game he does it. theres just something about it. If I had to vote right now it would be him but its all just a feel no reasons.

 

 

I can discount the reasons you're giving for his non-activity, based on his activity elsewhere on the forum.

 

So no, I was thorough. He's avoiding the game and not hunting because he's choosing to, not because of RL.

 

:)

 

I don't want to blindside a guy who was busy in the first 20 hours of the day with such a charge. Suffice to say, that particular reason why I could be wrong is not valid. Very not valid.

 

straight up. I HATE this reasoning. By ANYONE. its BS. Sometimes you have nothing to say in the game so you just dont. Some of us have duties to carry out elsewhere on the site. this is a game we play. those duties are something we signed up for sometimes on a longterm basis.

 

If you wanna go after nolder fine but use mafia game related arguments not out of game bs plz

 

 

 

 

I like that Dice brought this up as well.  I'm going to follow this as I see what Dice has to say about John going forward.

[Zander?]

Signing up for this game is obligating yourself to play as much as signing up to be a SG leader. 

 

[Zander?]

Been working on the ceilings all day. Making a trip to the hardware store then going back to clean up

 

I'll catch up later tonight :)

 

Not yet sure this is actually indicative of AJ's alignment but I seem to recall him posting this kinda of stuff more then a few times this game...

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested.  Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

 

hmmmmmm......

[Zander?]

Thane:

 

Pg1: null single post.

Pg2, 3, 4: nada

pg5: 92 is a multiquote talking mostly to nonplayers, takes no risks. 93 is not game related, 96 is not substantial. Basically, Thane hasn't engaged with the game yet. No judgments made there, just saying.

Pg6: Calls me a wolf for saying Nolder is a wolf. I'm not, and he makes no attempt to understand my vote, he's not even curious. That's bad villaging at the very least.

115 he redirects my attention to his calling me a wolf, which is worse, because it's as if he expects me to be impressed or scared that he called me a wolf incorrectly for zero reasons. I don't recognize this as a solving process. 120 his response to me doesn't even really indicate that he thinks I'm a wolf. So he's fishing somewhat impotently for reactions, or is a wolf.

Pg7: 125 Game has started but Thane is posting like he's still waiting for it to start, which isn't a good look after he called me wolfy, and expected me to react and hasn't followed up on that.

126 I still don't believe he thinks I'm a wolf here. Not sure what the wolfie comment was supposed to accomplish?

133 he's generically cautious about me. That's nothing I haven't heard a half dozen times this game alone, so it's nothing that goes outside of any boxes or takes any risks or really accomplishes much. I'm very critical of any kind of play that is expected, boring, and generic. Still talking about previous games, not engaging with this one. That's a behavior I am also critical of. 136 see previous comment.

Pg8 onward- nada.

 

That's what I get from Thane. A slow, riskless start which is generic and uninspired. No offense Thane. I just can't find reasons why this isn't your scum game so far. What's townie about it? What's solving about it?

 

You're either rand or scum, I can't find anything here which puts you at greater than random to be a townie.

 

It's early, that's the only reason why you're not a darker shade of red on my list. That's what I got. Want to reverse it, do something townie.

 

 

Again I've asked this before.  What game did you play when Thane was Scum?  And if there is one.  Do you really feel that gave you enough info to get a handle on actually knowing how he Scum's?

[Zander?]

 

Confusing the generic with the specific.

 

That's another tactic I recognize as scummy.

 

You're picking at my finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on you, which I had as strongly scummy and his was "null", as opposed to finding NotBob suspicious because of his position on AJ, which I had as mildly suspicious and his was "null".

 

It's obvious why one would be more concerned about the stronger disagreement, and the pressure on NotBob exists.

 

So to claim that it's an example of inconsistency, is wrong and scummy. It's distortion at best.

 

Behaving like the last game you were in where you were total scum, and wildly differently from the last game I could find where you were townie, that's a legit problem.

 

The kinds of consistency arguments I find scummy are the former, not the latter.

 

And it should be obvious why. It's not a mistake that you're confusing the two examples. That's deliberate on your part, and it's a scummy argument.

I'm picking on your position on Notbob because it's crap.

 

Again, you're creating a false dichotomy where the results are both favorable to your argument.

There is another possibility that you aren't allowing into the discussion with regards to Notbob.

 

That aside though, what you're saying here is true so I don't get why you think using it as a defense is a good idea.

You find Notbob suspicious because of his position that's in disagreement with you on me but not where he's in disagreement with you on AJ.

I don't see why it would make any difference whether you find me a lot scummy and AJ a little scummy because the subject of the discussion here is Notbob and why you're reading him the way you do.

 

Claiming it as inconsistency is not wrong nor is it distortion and you can think what you want about being scummy or not but usually when someone is right that's not scummy so I don't know where you're trying to go with that other than trying to call me scum as many times as you can and hope it sticks in the minds of others. It is inconsistent to be suspicious of Notbob for disagreeing with you on one person and not another. Simple fact. You sir are the one who's trying to distort the situation.

 

 

I hate to be Captain Obvious here but it could just be that he feels like he has a better read on you then he does with AJ.

 

 

Someone else needs to read zander for me.

 

His tone is bugging me again but im kinda having to look at him thru nice eyes atm so I cant be really sure

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@pizza    i assume thats at me?  I will take as long as I take to get a read on you. You are tricksy so i will be careful

 

 

Has your read/thoughts on me changed Dice?

[Zander?]

 

If you think I'm scummy I'd rather you waste the day one lynch on me than string me along for days and then do it.

 

I'm not going to get any townier than I am right now.

AtE this early isn't good.

 

 

I don't know if I feel like this is AtE at all as opposed to him just making a statement.

 

 

 

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested.  Means nothing at this point.

I'm very skeptical that Nolder means nothing to you. I feel that you're aware of Nolder's alignment, and don't want to reveal how you became aware of it.

 

Whether Nolder is townie or not, you are likely not.

 

 

meh...feelings mean zero to me.  Now you're backpedaling on your own case.  Talk about walking it back...

 

 

 

Can you explain this to me please?

 

hello all. I've been reading the entire game through mailnotifications. Honestly, that stinks. You can't tell who quoted what and it's hella confusing.

 

My employer has decided to block DM, so I am unable to login apart from the little time i spend at home. That having been said, I'll still try to pitch in where needed and get this victory for town. I wanna go out with a blast, after all. 

 

What I've been seeing from Pizza a lot, no hard feelings, feels quite provocative. I don't know if that's your regular playstyle or not, but i wonder what you hope to achieve with it. In the end, town victory, i hope. You're the easiest player to read at this point, because you post... well... a lot. I have you as a slight town lean, and we'll see how that will progress throughout the game.

 

For the rest of you lot: I'll get a better read on you D2.... i know you better and i'll start connecting dots then *nods* I don't have an overly scummy feeling on anybody, nor a cleared town read. So, I guess we'll see

 

Now, I'll peek in a bit for the next few hours (inbetween cooking, taking care of the misses and kiddos and other things). cyas around

 

 

Really????  So do I and a lot of other people.....

[Zander?]

 

I also realize that's easy meta to manipulate but unless he intentionally decided he wanted to try leveling me this game he can be a light green pending further development

Eh, he abused his meta in the matrix game. Im gonna withhold judgement until he comes back with some reads, but I am not going to forget how well you read him in Diablo. I will probably end up deferring to you on the Zander thing unless he does something that really sticks out.

 

 

 

I love me some AJ but if memory serves me correct he read me wrong that game.

[Zander?]

Someone else would probably be better answering that for you since I don't think I can really be objective about myself.

 

I don't think there is a huge difference. I put a lot of thought into my scum game to try and be as identical to my free flowing townie self as I can

 

I guess the best answer would be that if you don't think I'm a villager after a phase or two, and I'm still alive and not lynching scum then you should worry.

 

[Zander?]

@ Tab    so what do you want?  Ive already said im reading AJ town, Ive interacted with Pizza re him Nolder and NB  Ive gone back and forth with Snow    and that one isnt JUST about ettiquette. If you read it you should see that it started because of conversation about voting people because they were posting elsewhere. You wanna vote someone? make a case. Hell even just agree with Pizza who already made a case. Even just say I want to vote so and so cause i want to but take some ownership of why ure doing it.

 

 

 

So now YOU tell me. Why shouldnt we lynch you? What are your thoughts on Pizza? or Len?

 

Hmmmmm....good question......I'm wondering why Dice didn't stick with this EoD.  But again I gotta look at what he built up to for his final vote.