[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[alannalynn]

There are some very nice looking ladies on Dragonmount. I should know, I'm marrying one of them.

:wub:

 

*goes and finds Sooh to hug her*

 

I can't even.

 

Andddd it's way past my bedtime but I'm sitting in a mess.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

I prefer topless.

 

That's why we work <3

 

 

I've missed you Nyn.  How goes it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pokes NotBob and says to interact with actual players of the game.

 

;)

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Can you identify the post(s) that gave you that feeling, go into a little more detail as to the specifics of the feeling?

 

It's important for my read on you. :) Help me know your brain.

I pointed them out in my post about two pages back. It was the vote on Lenlo and then the switch to Zander. The vote on Lenlo was odd, it feels like a joke vote but it doesn't seem to mesh with the intentions to get the game started on a serious note. So, that leaves me wondering what Snow saw in Lenlo to drop his vote there. Looking at the switch to Zander, Lenlo makes the vote and Snow says that Z hasn't checked in yet and votes him for the LOLs because he doesn't have anything better to go on at the moment.

 

None of this seems to align with his first intentions when he joined which was to get the game started. In #79 he stated there was more than enough people to start scumhunting, we just need to post thoughts. Yet I feel like he's been doing more goofing around than actually contributing to scumhunting. So here we are, and Snow is voting for a player who hasn't even checked in yet.

 

 

Ok. Your thinking here seems valid / internally consistent enough.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Pokes NotBob and says to interact with actual players of the game.

 

;)

 

Hello pizza.  Who you find scummy?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nolder by miles and miles, and a little bit Thane and a little bit AJ by inches and inches.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Nolder by miles and miles, and a little bit Thane and a little bit AJ by inches and inches.

 

Agree with Thane.  Nolder and AJ less so.   

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why is Nolder a townie?

[alannalynn]

 

 

Can you identify the post(s) that gave you that feeling, go into a little more detail as to the specifics of the feeling?

 

It's important for my read on you. :) Help me know your brain.

I pointed them out in my post about two pages back. It was the vote on Lenlo and then the switch to Zander. The vote on Lenlo was odd, it feels like a joke vote but it doesn't seem to mesh with the intentions to get the game started on a serious note. So, that leaves me wondering what Snow saw in Lenlo to drop his vote there. Looking at the switch to Zander, Lenlo makes the vote and Snow says that Z hasn't checked in yet and votes him for the LOLs because he doesn't have anything better to go on at the moment.

 

None of this seems to align with his first intentions when he joined which was to get the game started. In #79 he stated there was more than enough people to start scumhunting, we just need to post thoughts. Yet I feel like he's been doing more goofing around than actually contributing to scumhunting. So here we are, and Snow is voting for a player who hasn't even checked in yet.

 

 

Ok. Your thinking here seems valid / internally consistent enough.

Nolder by miles and miles, and a little bit Thane and a little bit AJ by inches and inches.

 

So why do you have Snow so high, explain? I want to know what you're thinking too.

 

Thane is probably town, btw. Aj null. Nolder could be wolf.

[Nynaeve]

I've missed you Nyn.  How goes it?

 

Good good. I came to visit in JN but you weren't there :(

 

 

 

Pokes NotBob and says to interact with actual players of the game.     ;)

 

Pfft. I'm like, so much more important than all of you combined   

[Clovdyx]

I can take my shirt off if it makes you more comfortable.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I get where you're coming from with your thinking, Laine (as I'm told you prefer to be called by, sez Sooh)

 

I can give you my reactions to John Snow's posts as I re-read them.

 

Page 1:

Page 2:

Page 3: 54 Null, 55 enthusiasm, 57 a real issue for those not in the know (non-players posting) and aggressive/enthusiastic. 60 explanation for sharp play, wants real content and conflict and less of the non-playing sorts of posts (my interpretation)

Page 4: 62 notes that nothing much has happened before his arrival (true enough) 63 assertive 65 Notes Nolder is stalling, which is good. Im hoping he follows this up by lynching Nolder, provided Nolder has nothing good as a defense. 66 probably how I'd be feeling at that moment. 68 kinda null 69 enthusiasm 72 null 73 null 75 activity continues even when a lull in posts happens. 77 prods AJ to do something, hopefully this sharpness continues and AJ gets some pressure. 79 I agree with the philosophy of forcing the game to jump start, being the difference maker. Done that as townie at the start of numerous games. He pressures AJ to do something and post his thoughts. Good.

Page 5: 81 half is enough to get started- true enough. 83 fair enough point but I don't mind the tactic of voting someone who isn't posting yet. 85 I don't think it makes Zander scum. He's never had an issue posting as scum. It's null. 87 voting with the person he was just voting for- probably a combination of sheer boredom, a desire to force the game to jump-start, and for the reactions. Also, Lenlo was one of the only people around, and the opening vote probably didn't have a lot of thought or severity behind it, unlike my Nolder vote which does. 90 pokes AJ to react or do something.

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Page 9:

 

And that's it.

 

My impression is that he wants to get this game started and is clearly very uncomfortable (in a good way) with the lack of content and lack of seriousness or anything to sink his teeth into so far, which is a feeling that is not often faked by scum in my experience, and a feeling commonly felt by certain personalities such as my own particularly when a day 1 hasn't gotten really rolling yet. That feeling is a large part of why John Snow is a townie for me.

 

Next, although generically, the vote with someone he was just voting for, without really clearing that person, would be suspicious to me, the specific situation rolls differently down that continental divide and ends up in a different ocean for me (pardon the elaborate metaphor).

 

This doesn't feel like that in this circumstance. In that circumstance Lenlo was basically the only other active person around, and he clearly wants to break out of the doldrums of day one. This is an active player uncomfortable with inactivity, lack of thread presence and discussion, and wants to get the ball rolling.

 

My reaction to his Zander push:

 

I decline to join in on the Zander wagon because I actually have a read on one scumbag and I want to draw attention and votes toward that person, in order to lynch that person today or at least put enough pressure on him to force a decision from his packmates, to bus, defend, or ignore. I won't accept ignore as an option, everyone will need to weigh in on him or they'll lose a ton of town points in my book.

 

He's not on Lenlo anymore but I think Lenlo is townie enough so far. It's not a solid read like the Dice read, or even the John Snow read. But it's better than other reads.

 

I would like him to assist me with Nolder or others I might find scummy but I am very happy with his going off and doing his own thing. Independent efforts, put forth early, are good for town's analysis imo.

 

Is John Snow a lock to be town? No. But I don't agree with the conclusions you've reached, Laine, on John, and I am pretty solid on that stance unless something substantial changes things.

 

I think your thought process on him is fair enough, I just have specific reasons why I don't think it leans that way. I think my findings on John are more solid than your points against.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

 

Can you identify the post(s) that gave you that feeling, go into a little more detail as to the specifics of the feeling?

 

It's important for my read on you. :) Help me know your brain.

I pointed them out in my post about two pages back. It was the vote on Lenlo and then the switch to Zander. The vote on Lenlo was odd, it feels like a joke vote but it doesn't seem to mesh with the intentions to get the game started on a serious note. So, that leaves me wondering what Snow saw in Lenlo to drop his vote there. Looking at the switch to Zander, Lenlo makes the vote and Snow says that Z hasn't checked in yet and votes him for the LOLs because he doesn't have anything better to go on at the moment.

 

None of this seems to align with his first intentions when he joined which was to get the game started. In #79 he stated there was more than enough people to start scumhunting, we just need to post thoughts. Yet I feel like he's been doing more goofing around than actually contributing to scumhunting. So here we are, and Snow is voting for a player who hasn't even checked in yet.

 

 

Ok. Your thinking here seems valid / internally consistent enough.

Nolder by miles and miles, and a little bit Thane and a little bit AJ by inches and inches.

 

So why do you have Snow so high, explain? I want to know what you're thinking too.

 

Thane is probably town, btw. Aj null. Nolder could be wolf.

 

 

Assist me with Nolder vote pressure, if you decide to move off of JS. Please and thank you.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Why is Nolder a townie?

 

more null than townie.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

I've missed you Nyn.  How goes it?

 

Good good. I came to visit in JN but you weren't there :(

 

 

 

Pokes NotBob and says to interact with actual players of the game.     ;)

 

Pfft. I'm like, so much more important than all of you combined   

 

 

1. I've been more offline than on.
2. Truth.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Why is Nolder a townie?

 

more null than townie.

 

 

You disagreed with the read that he was a mafioso.

 

In my mind that implies you've got a fair read or any read at all of him being a townie.

 

Default/I don't have a clue, is what I consider null.

 

Disagreeing with a read by saying you don't know is not a valid reason to disagree in my opinion. It just makes me think you're backing off of taking a stand on Nolder for no legit reason I can see.

 

Those are my reactions to that. Hi, I'm Askthepizzaguy. Pleased to meet you NotBob, help me understand your brain.

[Lenlo]

I can't get much of a lean on Andrej, but I'm either getting null or scum from his posts. Lenlo I did a full read on, is on the town side, less confident than the dice read, nothing scummy in these posts.

Do I know you? :P

 

Seems abit early for some of these reads, especially the blue Dice, but it seems like you have put some thought into it. I just gotta figure out if its real thought or fake BS to get people lynched.

 

Can you expand on your Thane read? Im curious why you have him as your third lowest.

 

"Raisons on Noldy and Dicey?"

 

I gave a reason for Dice, but I can go into more detail on that if you would like me to, later today.

 

As for Nolder, it's much more detailed, and I'm sure people are curious, but to put it succinctly: He behaved this way in Age Of Legends where he was scum, and very very very differently in Lolcats ZOMG Apocalypse thingy where he was a townie.

 

Vastly different from his town game, as noted here:

 

SCUM NOLDER in Age of Legends

Nolder- opens with nonsense vote, disappears.

Non content post x6

Asks pointless question x2

Unvote, votes Dice no reason given

Unvote, votes Calder no reason given

Is short and defiant in tone and approachx4

Stallingx4

Gives basic and somewhat reasonable excuses for himself.

Likes to attack based on inconsistency.

Talks about what he's doing IRL for stalling purposes x4

Delayed detailed and fake analysis, lots of nulls, nothing really substantial on anyone.

Relies on technicalities.

 

TOWN NOLDER in ZOMG

Joke postx3

Vote with lie

Lies as townie

Unvote

Non content post x3

Wants seer cover.

Wants to catch scum with gotchas

More active in the discussion itself, will stay and make multiple comments.

Wants to provoke more reactions via questioning.

Posts like 20 times in a row if he wants to.

Much larger D1 presence.

 

I didn't read the entirety of either game but I got dozens and dozens of pages into each one, and all of day one of each. They are night and day.

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

 

All I read from Pizza's post is: "if I'm town I'm right and I'll be dead. If I'm wolf, I might also be right, and kill me because I'm wolf" I think this ends in death for Pizza either way LOL I'm hungry for pizza now...

 

Thane, if you're town, just play like you did in AoL and I'll be a happy camper

So we eat the pizza?

 

How about this..

 

[v] John Snow [/v]

Your voting John because you think he has been inconsistent with his desire to get this game started right? Trying to get everything going and then jumping over to my jokes on Zander, that kind of thing?

[Lenlo]

 

 

Why is Nolder a townie?

 

more null than townie.

 

 

You disagreed with the read that he was a mafioso.

 

In my mind that implies you've got a fair read or any read at all of him being a townie.

 

Default/I don't have a clue, is what I consider null.

 

Disagreeing with a read by saying you don't know is not a valid reason to disagree in my opinion. It just makes me think you're backing off of taking a stand on Nolder for no legit reason I can see.

 

Those are my reactions to that. Hi, I'm Askthepizzaguy. Pleased to meet you NotBob, help me understand your brain.

 

When you figure that out, please let me know

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Why is Nolder a townie?

 

more null than townie.

 

 

You disagreed with the read that he was a mafioso.

 

In my mind that implies you've got a fair read or any read at all of him being a townie.

 

Default/I don't have a clue, is what I consider null.

 

Disagreeing with a read by saying you don't know is not a valid reason to disagree in my opinion. It just makes me think you're backing off of taking a stand on Nolder for no legit reason I can see.

 

Those are my reactions to that. Hi, I'm Askthepizzaguy. Pleased to meet you NotBob, help me understand your brain.

 

 

Nolder looks disinterested.  Means nothing at this point.  I've played many games with Nolder can't say I've ever caught him as scum within the first 10 pages.  I guess time will tell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I strongly dislike the forced quote chains on this site, one of my few complaints about it, so if people don't mind, I'll be referring to post numbers, linking where necessary, and quoting only bits I want to respond to, unless I'm feeling lazy. It keeps the thread less cluttered and makes it far, far, far easier for people to understand what is being said to each other on first read and re-read.

 

Lenlo you know me as Nomi Sunrider in the previous game we played together where I said you were scummy and I was correct. :P

 

It is a bit early for confident reads, that's why I only have one pretty confident read, which is Dice being a townie. Which is unusual because I've not been town with dice before and I don't know dice all that well from games in general or outside of the game. It's just a strong feeling I get, a difference in his mindset from a game where he was a scumbag with you. Strength of read takes into account the fact that it's day one, reads should be taken with less of a grain of salt later on into the game, but even on day one you can have strong indicators, which can then be mitigated by stronger or more current indicators later on.

 

Regarding Nolder:

 

It's a bit early, but there's a massive chasm between his behavior as town based on admittedly only one game researched on each, town and scum. And that difference was apparent like super early on day one, comparing the two games.

 

In one game, his scum game, he was barely present, very un-sharing, very short, not very talkative, didn't take much of a stance on things and didn't pressure people or question them, really. He just sort of avoided doing anything that would get him under serious suspicion or ruffle too many feathers. For this behavior, some people did point out that he was scummy, but it didn't attract enough attention to kill him, which is the entire point. Not looking townie enough to a few people doesn't mean you look scummy to enough people to die, so his cautious play worked for four rounds.

 

In the other game, his town game, he was present for a very long time, stayed active in the thread, spoke to everyone, applied pressure, questioned people, was aggressive in his tactics, and much more open and fluid with his thought process.

 

Now, we have a sample size of not very much, in this game, and that is why the read on Nolder can't be that certain. But here's what I did see:

 

He's doing exactly like the scum game I mentioned and is not staying in the thread and being interrogative or hunting. He has appeared and then disappeared, and he's also not prioritizing this game like he was during his town game.

 

It's as simple as this- if he's a townie in this game, he's decided to take his aggressive and hunting approach which he has used before enthusiastically, and decided to just not do any of that so far. And he didn't take very long to get rolling last time. So I don't see a reason for this change in his psychology or approach unless it's alignment-based.

 

About NotBob: When he is scum, does he have trouble being decisive, or does he take neutral positions on things? Is he cautious, hesitant?

 

This is meta I am missing. I value input on this.

[Lenlo]

Sorry bout the quote chains, I just quote things I am interested in or want to respond to as I catch up.

 

As for Nolder, thank you. I can see what you are saying but this game has only been up for 20 hours or so. Yeah he popped in and then dipped, but that was very early on before any real content started. He could have gone to sleep, or had something to do cause its the weekend. So while I dont disagree with your assessment of those two games/his scum game, I wanna give him abit of time to get involved now that we have gotten serious.

 

If upon his return he stays consistent with your case then I will feel good following you and voting him.

 

Oh hey Nomi. Haha, that game. Never hard bussing like that again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can discount the reasons you're giving for his non-activity, based on his activity elsewhere on the forum.

 

So no, I was thorough. He's avoiding the game and not hunting because he's choosing to, not because of RL.

 

:)

 

I don't want to blindside a guy who was busy in the first 20 hours of the day with such a charge. Suffice to say, that particular reason why I could be wrong is not valid. Very not valid.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If upon his return he stays consistent with your case then I will feel good following you and voting him.

Is a very low bar for him to hurdle. Basically, you're telling him how to fake being a townie, and giving him a very easy checkbox to check off to avoid your vote.

 

Makes sense when I say things like I'd like everyone to comment on a thing, not doing so is scummy.

 

Doesn't make as much sense when it's like this: If nolder is much more active than this for the rest of day one, he's a townie.

 

Then scum-Nolder just needs to spam some posts to avoid your vote. It's not helpful to your hunt.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

Why is Nolder a townie?

 

more null than townie.

 

 

You disagreed with the read that he was a mafioso.

 

In my mind that implies you've got a fair read or any read at all of him being a townie.

 

Default/I don't have a clue, is what I consider null.

 

Disagreeing with a read by saying you don't know is not a valid reason to disagree in my opinion. It just makes me think you're backing off of taking a stand on Nolder for no legit reason I can see.

 

Those are my reactions to that. Hi, I'm Askthepizzaguy. Pleased to meet you NotBob, help me understand your brain.

 

When you figure that out, please let me know

 

 

lol...i'm obvious to a fault.

[John Snow]

 

 

 

 

Alright lets get started then [v] Zander [/v]

 

I decided to have a special and start serving 3 pages early.

 

Doesn't count, he hasn't even posted yet. 

 

Yeah. How often does Zander not post? HUH?!

 

 

...I mean....you're not wrong.

 

I'd be down to lynch Zander before he even checks in. Mostly for the massive amounts of ensuing hilarity. 

 

LOL. Yeah, he needs to come and play. Although, do we want to have eternal LOLOLOLOLOL's in the game all the time once he starts?

 

 

That's the point. Shut it down before it begins. 

 

Tabor and BFG are looking townie but there's almost no confidence of the read. Nothing scummy here so far.

 

Only other person I can really look at so far is Thane. I got nothing.

 

That's it, list looks like this so far.

 

 

10. Pizza

9. Dice

7. John Snow

4. Lenlo

 

8. Taborline

11. BFG

 

2. Zander- NULL

6. NotBob-NULL

5. Laine- NULL

12. Thane

1. Andrej

3. Nolder

 

 

Pizza, you're my favorite guy in thread so far

 

For me, right now:

Alanna

Thane

Lenlo

Dice

 

Pizza

Tabor

BFG

Zan

Notbob

Andrej

 

Nolder

Snow

 

Pretty sure I can follow the logic here. 

 

How about this..

 

[v] John Snow [/v]

 

Would've been much happier with you if you voted me in your above post. Still, I like your logic. Town slot here. 

Top Town, in order:

JS

Pizza

(I wanted to say AJ, but Alanna isn't aj anymore) AlannaLynn

Lenlo

 

I'm not sold on dice yet. I don't like AJ's tenacity either. I think I remember more willingness to do stuff in the early game from him before, but I'll have to check. 

I'll ISO Nol and see what I think about that. 

For now, I'm going to [unvote] [v]AJ[/v]