[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Nolder]

Meh I dont hate your response but I'm not overly impressed by it either.  But let me ask this instead, how do you feel about his responses after he provided his quotes?

Worse than before.

 

I asked him to provide his thoughts on my interactions with Nomi.

He said he already had and when I asked him to prove it he showed posts about thoughts of what Nomi had said BEFORE I interacted with him.

It was literally not what I was asking about.

 

This further leads me to believe that he's avoiding giving his thoughts or picking a side as much as he can.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm still confused...

 

Why do you think it's my job to address how someone else reacts to someone's case about me?

I mean I could, and I believe I did comment on it in fact, but I'm really confused that you think I have an obligation to.

 

Like that's leaving me really...bewildered is a good term to use here I think.

Because he is currently being heavily linked to you because of that by both AJ and Pizza in their cases of you. Because he is one of the front runners for today and I feel you should comment on what is going on in the game. Because I wanna know what you think of it. All of those things are why you should address it and help us figure out both you and this game.

 

That's still nothing to do with me. I'm not the one doing the linking.

 

Call me crazy but it feels like you're trying to make me overreact when there's no need.

I already commented that Nomi wasn't allowing for a third option with regards to Notbob, the option where he just didn't have a read on me, and it started a big argument.

 

To be honest if someone were to ask Notbob now he'd probably have more of an opinion since I finally got around to posting but ya'll are too busy arguing about a null read from like page 5 or something.

 

It has nothing to do with you, the one being linked and the one who will be heavily scrutinized should NotBob flip scum, because your not the one doing the linking? Whether you like it or not I think it does have something to do with you.

 

How am I trying to make you overreact? I am trying to get you to react at all. To post something other than self defense. To to look at some of the other cases going on.

 

First of all...

 

"To post something other than self defense."

 

I have posted more than self defense, especially in regards to our conversation today. This is a blatant misrep.

 

"To to look at some of the other cases going on."

 

I've seen them. Other than the Xander one I really have nothing to say and the only thing I'd have to say about Xander is in regards to meta which is pretty much irrelevant so I decided to hold my tongue there and see how it developed.

 

Ok now moving back to the Notbob thing.

 

"It has nothing to do with you, the one being linked and the one who will be heavily scrutinized should NotBob flip scum, because your not the one doing the linking? Whether you like it or not I think it does have something to do with you."

 

Yeah, pretty much. It's not my conversation nor do I feel the need to interject myself into it more than I already have.

If anyone would be so stupid as to draw connections to me based on a null comment on D1 by Notbob they deserve what they get.

 

 

 

Is the Bold what you feel is his trying to do to make you over react?  FWIW I do feel he misrepped me earlier as well and backed off.  If that is the correct part please pull some examples of it or if its not show me what it is that you are saying with examples please.

 

Well Lenlo said I'm doing nothing but being defensive.

The fact of the matter was I came into the thread and responded to several things before even addressing Nomi's case.

But those were one off responses and can be dismissed I guess.

What can't be dismissed is I tried to make a case on Lenlo himself with regards to fence sitting.

That's the opposite of defensive, it's offensive.

 

 

 

Ill go back when I have the time to reread this I had asked for examples.  And after your comment about waiting for Len to respond with proof I figured you'd have been all over doing that yourself Nol....

 

I'm not sure what you're saying here.

[Nolder]

 

Xander you're asking a lot of questions.

 

I am, and I'm looking for the answers to them as well.  Why make this comment?  Do you feel me asking question is alignment indicative of me in some way shape or form?  If it is please provide your reasoning behind it.

 

Because just saying things for the sake of saying things without a real point is...pointless?

 

Sometimes a pointless comment garners an interesting response.

[Nolder]

And caught up!!

 

Anyone around to talk?

 

I'll be around for a bit but will be gone for awhile today.  I will try and check In when I can and may be around after.  Things should be back to normal for me by tomorrow.

I'll be around for awhile.

 

I think you and I have had enough back and forth though and I don't want it to drag on too long so maybe we should just wait around for someone else unless you have something further you'd like to discuss.

[Zander?]

 

 

Xander you're asking a lot of questions.

 

I am, and I'm looking for the answers to them as well.  Why make this comment?  Do you feel me asking question is alignment indicative of me in some way shape or form?  If it is please provide your reasoning behind it.

 

Because just saying things for the sake of saying things without a real point is...pointless?

 

Sometimes a pointless comment garners an interesting response.

 

 

Was my response interesting?  Did you glean anything from it?  Just wondering what it was in particular you were looking for.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Xander you're asking a lot of questions.

 

I am, and I'm looking for the answers to them as well.  Why make this comment?  Do you feel me asking question is alignment indicative of me in some way shape or form?  If it is please provide your reasoning behind it.

 

Because just saying things for the sake of saying things without a real point is...pointless?

 

Sometimes a pointless comment garners an interesting response.

 

 

Was my response interesting?  Did you glean anything from it?  Just wondering what it was in particular you were looking for.

 

I wasn't looking for anything in particular, that's the thing.

And yes I think so.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Xander you're asking a lot of questions.

 

I am, and I'm looking for the answers to them as well.  Why make this comment?  Do you feel me asking question is alignment indicative of me in some way shape or form?  If it is please provide your reasoning behind it.

 

Because just saying things for the sake of saying things without a real point is...pointless?

 

Sometimes a pointless comment garners an interesting response.

 

 

Was my response interesting?  Did you glean anything from it?  Just wondering what it was in particular you were looking for.

 

I wasn't looking for anything in particular, that's the thing.

And yes I think so.

 

 

 

Care to share with the class?

 

Also Im pretty sure your voting Lenlo so who us your top town read and why?

 

Im not sure I recall a reads list that you posted.

 

Im gonna work on getting one done here before i have to take off for a while.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

More seriously I don't have mafia meta on AJ, I'm not sure I've ever played a game when he's been mafia (other than US)

 

Tbh it really just doesn't happen a lot, at least not on DM. I can't allow myself to taint the hallowed grounds of my home forum ;) 

 

but whenever I play elsewhere I tend to almost always draw wolf. It's weird.

 

 

 

 

cough Darthe Games cough lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi BFG.

 

Do you have any strong town/scum reads as of yet?

Dice is my strongest town read right now. Lenlo and Laine are weaker town reads. No mafia reads, far too many nulls

 

reading through the past 6 pages atm

 

I see you've mentioned you're very reliant on meta. Is your read on Dice meta?

 

Mostly.

 

As town Dice is louder and more open. Off the top of my head Dice has offered opinions on AJ, Pizza, Snow, (Zander?) for actual game reasons. In those posts he' pretty direct and straight forward, the reasoning is based on stuff in game. As mafia Dice has difficulty replicating that 'tone' about in game stuff, he can fake it pretty well on out of game stuff, or mechanics, but not game stuff.

 

Lenlo at that time was because of his 'mentality', I'm not sire how else to explain it. As town he seems to like being helpful more than when mafia. Since then I want to add the humour in his posts and how relaxed he sounds and I'm feeling a bit more confident in the read. Some of his positions/progressions don't read well, but he was lynched in Diablo for that as town, so it's null at best. I need to check Matrix for his tone, since mostly all I can remember is his busting

 

Laine is weaker still. In Belichick there was a lot of fluff early on, in HP she dug right in, similar to this game. She's already drawing more conclusions than she was in Diablo. Volume isn't a tell, but I won't be able to do anything with this read mow until she's back, which could be several days now

 

 

 

I dont agree with the assessment about Dice irt his Tone.  I think he can fake that pretty well as he did in Matrix.  I'm not saying he's necessarily scummy here.  But your reasoning for town reading him is incorrect imo. 

 

 

think you missed her point zander  but im not explaining it   i will let her.

[Nolder]

I haven't posted a reads list yet. I don't usually like to post one on D1 but I think maybe it'll help people connect some dots so I'll bend on that this time.

I'll post one tomorrow night but I'm not done getting reads yet. I want to be as sure as I can before making any hard statements like that.

Hopefully some of our quieter people can check in tomorrow.

[dicetosser1]

im not gonna be awake for EOD so im going to 

 

 

Vote Snow

 

somethings bugging me but i dont know what it is or if its just i dont like that style of entrance cause it has bugged me every time he has done it

[Zander?]

Vote Count

 

Nolder (2) - Pizza, Lenlo 

Snow (1) - Laine

NotBob (1) - AJ

Lenlo (1) - Nol

Zander (1) - Snow

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time ( -8 hours)

 

 

im not gonna be awake for EOD so im going to 

 

 

Vote Snow

 

somethings bugging me but i dont know what it is or if its just i dont like that style of entrance cause it has bugged me every time he has done it

 

 

I may be missing something but I dont think DL is till tomorrow evening my time.

[Nolder]

Wow that's pretty vague for a vote you wont be around to change.

[Zander?]

I haven't posted a reads list yet. I don't usually like to post one on D1 but I think maybe it'll help people connect some dots so I'll bend on that this time.

I'll post one tomorrow night but I'm not done getting reads yet. I want to be as sure as I can before making any hard statements like that.

Hopefully some of our quieter people can check in tomorrow.

 

 

Fair enough.  But who is your top town read currently and why.  Not gonna hold you to just wanna know where your head's at.

[dicetosser1]

i thought the -8 meant it was in less then 8 hrs?

 

 

ok how long til DL then?

[dicetosser1]

D1 is vague nolder. I dont really want to lynch you  ive said im not lynching pizza d1  there nothing im buying yet on NB and i think lenlo is town

[Askthepizzaguy]

Caught up.

 

Didn't realize there would be a deadline so soon, I wanted there to be more discussion.

[Leelou]

i thought the -8 meant it was in less then 8 hrs?

 

 

ok how long til DL then?

 

Over 36 hours. It's just -8 from GMT. I'm not used to my timezone yet. 

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 
Nolder (2) - Pizza, Lenlo 
Snow (2) - Laine, Dice
NotBob (1) - AJ
Lenlo (1) - Nol
Zander (1) - Snow
 
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time (GMT -8 hours)

[dicetosser1]

all right then   im gonna leave my vote for now. Snow can try to convince me when he shows up

 

 

@MOD    can wee get a DL timer? I cant keep up with the timezones u lot have

[Zander?]

Caught up.

 

Didn't realize there would be a deadline so soon, I wanted there to be more discussion.

 

 

Hey brother.  Still think there a fair bit of time left.  Current thoughts please?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote Nolder,

Vote Thane

 

Case on Nolder was made, at length, and other than myself there was only one bite.

 

If you want more votes on Nolder, my vote is available. Otherwise I'm not wasting my time.

 

Objections were made about NotBob, and I explained them pretty well. Again, not getting a ton of support.

 

So let's punish those folks who are hanging around on the sideline, not making any waves or solving the game.

 

I'm going to start with Thane, and I invite anyone to help me lynch him. And I'm not going to bother assembling a case. I already analyzed him.

 

If I don't get some help lynching my suspects, I'm going to follow Dice and lynch whoever the heck he wants to lynch, for consolidation purposes. That means John Snow.

 

 

Caught up.

 

Didn't realize there would be a deadline so soon, I wanted there to be more discussion.

Hey brother. Still think there a fair bit of time left. Current thoughts please?

 

I couldn't follow all the multiquoting discussion that happened over the past couple pages, and I don't think it was very productive. I think it was for show / active lurking kinda stuff, asking questions that don't really lead anywhere. That's my first impression of it, dunno how I'll feel about it later.

 

And I don't really get a strong town vibe from you. This makes me sad, but I'm going to blame the RNG, it's not like you did anything wrong.

[Nolder]

 

I haven't posted a reads list yet. I don't usually like to post one on D1 but I think maybe it'll help people connect some dots so I'll bend on that this time.

I'll post one tomorrow night but I'm not done getting reads yet. I want to be as sure as I can before making any hard statements like that.

Hopefully some of our quieter people can check in tomorrow.

 

 

Fair enough.  But who is your top town read currently and why.  Not gonna hold you to just wanna know where your head's at.

 

Feeling like Alanna is probably my best town read right now but like I said I want to get a few more reactions in from people and collect my thoughts better so that may change by tomorrow.

 

i thought the -8 meant it was in less then 8 hrs?

 

 

ok how long til DL then?

nah man deadline is wednesday.

Will you be back before then?

[dicetosser1]

i AM listening pizza   i just think nols been good since he started turning up and im not sold on the NB thing cause  as i  tried to explain  i can see why someone would say things like null.

 

doesnt help that i suck at reading NB

[dicetosser1]

 

 

I haven't posted a reads list yet. I don't usually like to post one on D1 but I think maybe it'll help people connect some dots so I'll bend on that this time.

I'll post one tomorrow night but I'm not done getting reads yet. I want to be as sure as I can before making any hard statements like that.

Hopefully some of our quieter people can check in tomorrow.

 

 

Fair enough.  But who is your top town read currently and why.  Not gonna hold you to just wanna know where your head's at.

 

Feeling like Alanna is probably my best town read right now but like I said I want to get a few more reactions in from people and collect my thoughts better so that may change by tomorrow.

 

i thought the -8 meant it was in less then 8 hrs?

 

 

ok how long til DL then?

nah man deadline is wednesday.

Will you be back before then?

 

 

 

ure wednesday or mine?  cause if its ures i will be back  but that day is Star wArs for me at 230am....

[Zander?]

Unvote Nolder,

Vote Thane

 

Case on Nolder was made, at length, and other than myself there was only one bite.

 

If you want more votes on Nolder, my vote is available. Otherwise I'm not wasting my time.

 

Objections were made about NotBob, and I explained them pretty well. Again, not getting a ton of support.

 

So let's punish those folks who are hanging around on the sideline, not making any waves or solving the game.

 

I'm going to start with Thane, and I invite anyone to help me lynch him. And I'm not going to bother assembling a case. I already analyzed him.

 

If I don't get some help lynching my suspects, I'm going to follow Dice and lynch whoever the heck he wants to lynch, for consolidation purposes. That means John Snow.

 

 

Caught up.

 

Didn't realize there would be a deadline so soon, I wanted there to be more discussion.

Hey brother. Still think there a fair bit of time left. Current thoughts please?

 

I couldn't follow all the multiquoting discussion that happened over the past couple pages, and I don't think it was very productive. I think it was for show / active lurking kinda stuff, asking questions that don't really lead anywhere. That's my first impression of it, dunno how I'll feel about it later.

 

And I don't really get a strong town vibe from you. This makes me sad, but I'm going to blame the RNG, it's not like you did anything wrong.

 

 

 

Thane I know has legit RL cant log on at work issues.  That being said he does tend to post less as scum.

 

Youre kinda jumping around a lot imo.  I don't think you did that as much in Matrix though I'm going strictly off of memory.

 

What about me is pinging you in specific?