Diablo the mafia game!

[Andrej]

I don't feel he really is, though.  I just ran an ISO to see what all opinions he's given, and I'm actually surprised to see he's made as many posts as he has.  That probably makes me feel slightly better about him, but I think Town!Thane is kind of an...out there player.  It could be that half the game has been somewhat inactive, but I'm just not getting the strong sense of him being town yet.

 

That's fine.

 

I think Thane has an outstanding ability to be obvious villager almost purely by his lack of... I don't wanna say effort, but agenda, I suppose. I haven't looked at him in ISO yet and I think a lot of his posts were in the earlier parts of the game before things tightened down but I don't remember off the top of my head any posts of his that I disliked.

[BFG]

Equally I think you've highlighted most of what worried me about Yates, so there is that.

 

Really rereading that stuff now

[Clovdyx]

 

 

First you probably almost certainly can

 

Second, ok, but why aren't you trying, how does this jive with your pre-game aggressiveness, early game 'abrasiveness' (although I'm not sure what you were referring to there) what's your read on Tabor now?

 

I do ~know that, which is precisely why your vote sitting there a few hours before deadline is so worrying. It's difficult because the day.a short, do I look at it as something made a few hours after day started which would be ~fine, or something made a few hours before deadline which is less so, when in reality it's both.

 

Bold - You know why.  

 

In terms of Tabor, I don't have a read on her.  She's sitting comfortably in that pile of people I have no reason to save.  Her colored reads list looks decent enough, but until she actually tries to DO something this game (or is at least around to interact with), I don't see how I'm supposed to feel one way or the other about her.

 

Bold, I actually don't, or can't remember right now

 

Tabors reads seemed fairly none consensus which is probably a better thing than not, so out of my POE for today, but will need revisiting in the near future.

 

 

Then to answer your question

 

FEO BFG:

 

 

 

Seriously, I'm not kidding.  If you aren't her, don't read this.  It has nothing to do with solving.

 

 

 

It's because I think this game is stupid, didn't want to play to begin with, and I'm only here to do a favor for the mods.  And I'm still giving more of an effort than the majority of the game.

 

 

 

 

I don't really agree with you that her reads are particularly non-consensus, other than maybe Shad getting more credit from her than he is from others and Len being in the green?  I guess you could argue she has Dice higher than some others, but I feel he's been generally more townread than not?  In any case, I didn't think they stood out enough to think she was really going out on a limb (from either townie OR scum motivation).

[Yates]

I need to finish reading the Yates/Zander thing again

It should really be a fairly quick read. It essentially boils down to this:

 

Zander claimed to have taken issue with my quoting of the two most recent "seer cover" posts but not including ALL previous peeks, specifically AJ's.

I told him I was just making a general point.

He then accused me of role fishing.

I explained that I wasn't role fishing - I was suggesting that people need to do a better job of shoring up their "peeks."

Zander accused me of dodging his point about ignoring AJ.

I explained that from my pov it was covered when I said I was trying to make a larger point wrt seer cover.

Bessie said I looked overly defensive.

I was perplexed by this accusation so I asked her to extrapolate on her basis for saying this and if she thought that me being defensive was = to me being scummy.

Zander [and now Clov?] took exception to my addressing Bessie's concerns - because she is new??

I believe that Zander is scum and voting me because he thinks people will say "scum Zander will never try voting Town Yates on Day 1!" [which already happened but via the Bessie head]

I don't believe that Town Zander ever votes for Unknown Alignment Yates day 1 for the same reason Town Zander doesn't vote Clov day 1 or expect Town Clov to be alive D3 ever.

At the very least, there is a zero percent chance Town Zander thinks Yates is scum for role fishing.

There was some other ad homonym stuff like OMGUS and a really low blow wrt Dice but that's sort of tangential to the current thread of argument.

 

Finally - I am concerned that Zander has not reevaluated his position on ANY of his accusations in light of all evidence to the contrary.

[Clovdyx]

 

It's an associated read? What happens if he flips town? If he's mafia does it LOCKCLEAR them?

 

 

Perhaps I misunderstood what you wanted clarified.  I assumed you were talking about why I said Lenlo's vote was scumtastic - because he was basically handing Yates the keys to the lynch, while his [Lenlo's] gameplay doesn't suggest he ought to have been.  It's one thing to sheep somebody's read when they're mechanically clear, or even just somebody you have a lot of confidence in.  The most I saw from Len IRT Yates is "he looks better."  For Lenlo to just come in and put the lynch entirely on Yates' shoulders like that, it looks bad.

 

If you're talking about why I said it didn't stand a chance, it's a combination thing.  I feel pretty good about Besie.  I feel pretty good about Zander.  The fact they're being lynched by somebody I feel probably the worst about?  That's another point in their favor.

 

 

If Lenlo flips town, I'm still going to townread them - I had them as town before I saw Len's vote, so I would have them there even if it HADN'T happened.  If he flips mafia, I don't know that you could pay me to lynch Bender this game.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

 

risins???  

 

 

spellig...the dude can't spell

[Yates]

For Lenlo to just come in and put the lynch entirely on Yates' shoulders like that, it looks bad.

I will grant you that if the Lenlo lynch goes through and he flips scum I will need to reevaluate how I am interpreting Zander's intent because that would look make them SHC-equivalent in my mind.

[BFG]

 

 

 

First you probably almost certainly can

 

Second, ok, but why aren't you trying, how does this jive with your pre-game aggressiveness, early game 'abrasiveness' (although I'm not sure what you were referring to there) what's your read on Tabor now?

 

I do ~know that, which is precisely why your vote sitting there a few hours before deadline is so worrying. It's difficult because the day.a short, do I look at it as something made a few hours after day started which would be ~fine, or something made a few hours before deadline which is less so, when in reality it's both.

 

Bold - You know why.  

 

In terms of Tabor, I don't have a read on her.  She's sitting comfortably in that pile of people I have no reason to save.  Her colored reads list looks decent enough, but until she actually tries to DO something this game (or is at least around to interact with), I don't see how I'm supposed to feel one way or the other about her.

 

Bold, I actually don't, or can't remember right now

 

Tabors reads seemed fairly none consensus which is probably a better thing than not, so out of my POE for today, but will need revisiting in the near future.

 

 

Then to answer your question

 

FEO BFG:

 

 

 

Seriously, I'm not kidding.  If you aren't her, don't read this.  It has nothing to do with solving.

 

 

 

It's because I think this game is stupid, didn't want to play to begin with, and I'm only here to do a favor for the mods.  And I'm still giving more of an effort than the majority of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really agree with you that her reads are particularly non-consensus, other than maybe Shad getting more credit from her than he is from others and Len being in the green?  I guess you could argue she has Dice higher than some others, but I feel he's been generally more townread than not?  In any case, I didn't think they stood out enough to think she was really going out on a limb (from either townie OR scum motivation).

 

 

 

Oh, that reason ok

 

 

 

Non-consensus is probably the wrong term, but pretty sure she had you and Yates as her bottom 2, I struggle to see many players in this game making you their bottom 2 if they were mafia and you two were town, and neither of you 2 are players that many people will likely bus early.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Deadline in 2 hours.

 

Vote Count

 

Clov. (1/13) Bfg

Bender (4/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo, NotBob

Lenlo (5/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender, Clov

 

 

Not Voting (3/13)

Pralaya, Tress, Tab

 

why is my vote on someone named Bender?  

 

I voted Zander

[BFG]

 

It's an associated read? What happens if he flips town? If he's mafia does it LOCKCLEAR them?

 

Perhaps I misunderstood what you wanted clarified.  I assumed you were talking about why I said Lenlo's vote was scumtastic - because he was basically handing Yates the keys to the lynch, while his [Lenlo's] gameplay doesn't suggest he ought to have been.  It's one thing to sheep somebody's read when they're mechanically clear, or even just somebody you have a lot of confidence in.  The most I saw from Len IRT Yates is "he looks better."  For Lenlo to just come in and put the lynch entirely on Yates' shoulders like that, it looks bad.

 

If you're talking about why I said it didn't stand a chance, it's a combination thing.  I feel pretty good about Besie.  I feel pretty good about Zander.  The fact they're being lynched by somebody I feel probably the worst about?  That's another point in their favor.

 

 

If Lenlo flips town, I'm still going to townread them - I had them as town before I saw Len's vote, so I would have them there even if it HADN'T happened.  If he flips mafia, I don't know that you could pay me to lynch Bender this game.

 

Thanks, I wasn't very clear first time

[Yates]

 

If it helps? I have pegged and voted for a wolf Day 1 in 5 straight games. This will be 6.

Again, not really related to avoiding an actual discussion, but this literally has nothing to do with the game.

 

Past performance does not guarantee future returns. And still... there's a graph of success displayed. Same thing.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

 

risins???  

 

 

spellig...the dude can't spell

 

 

 

Deadline in 2 hours.

 

Vote Count

 

Clov. (1/13) Bfg

Bender (4/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo, NotBob

Lenlo (5/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender, Clov

 

 

Not Voting (3/13)

Pralaya, Tress, Tab

 

why is my vote on someone named Bender?  

 

I voted Zander

 

 

I, for one, appreciate Notbob's commitment to the derpclear.

[Yates]

why is my vote on someone named Bender?  

 

I voted Zander

Zander is a hydra with Bessie. They call themselves Bender.

[Andrej]

I, for one, appreciate Notbob's commitment to the derpclear.

 

Meh.

 

He's actually a pretty smart player when he wants to be.

[BFG]

 

I need to finish reading the Yates/Zander thing again

It should really be a fairly quick read. It essentially boils down to this:

 

Zander claimed to have taken issue with my quoting of the two most recent "seer cover" posts but not including ALL previous peeks, specifically AJ's.

I told him I was just making a general point.

He then accused me of role fishing.

I explained that I wasn't role fishing - I was suggesting that people need to do a better job of shoring up their "peeks."

Zander accused me of dodging his point about ignoring AJ.

I explained that from my pov it was covered when I said I was trying to make a larger point wrt seer cover.

Bessie said I looked overly defensive.

I was perplexed by this accusation so I asked her to extrapolate on her basis for saying this and if she thought that me being defensive was = to me being scummy.

Zander [and now Clov?] took exception to my addressing Bessie's concerns - because she is new??

I believe that Zander is scum and voting me because he thinks people will say "scum Zander will never try voting Town Yates on Day 1!" [which already happened but via the Bessie head]

I don't believe that Town Zander ever votes for Unknown Alignment Yates day 1 for the same reason Town Zander doesn't vote Clov day 1 or expect Town Clov to be alive D3 ever.

At the very least, there is a zero percent chance Town Zander thinks Yates is scum for role fishing.

There was some other ad homonym stuff like OMGUS and a really low blow wrt Dice but that's sort of tangential to the current thread of argument.

 

Finally - I am concerned that Zander has not reevaluated his position on ANY of his accusations in light of all evidence to the contrary.

 

Wondering if AJ's right here, the fact that I agree with your arguments against Zander and his arguments against you make me wonder if it's t-t between you

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

why is my vote on someone named Bender?  

 

I voted Zander

Zander is a hydra with Bessie. They call themselves Bender.

 

 

ok...has bessie posted?

[Yates]

AJ - in your estimation, is post 679 a fair assessment?

[Yates]

ok...has bessie posted?

Yes.

[BFG]

ages, hat's your opinion on Lenlo (sorry if I missed it)

[Yates]

ok...has bessie posted?

Yes.

[Andrej]

AJ - in your estimation, is post 679 a fair assessment?

 

Like I said earlier - I think it's a failure to communicate from one or both ends.

 

I understood where you were coming from when you questioned the peeks, after explaining, and I was pretty satisfied to leave it there. I think the entire thing just sort of devolved into finger pointing once the first stone was tossed.

 

Remember Darthe's Illuminati game (the first round) where you were Masons with TG and I was so convinced he was scum? Yeah, same impression I get here from the both of you.

 

I just hope I'm right.

[BFG]

Yates, what's your opinion on Lenlo (sorry if I missed it)

Ugh spelling

[Zander?]

i heeere gettinf caugfh up!!!!!

[Cory Caboose]

Deadline in 52 minutes.

 

 

Vote Count

Clov. (1/13) Bfg
Bender (4/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo, NotBob
Lenlo (5/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender, Clov


Not Voting (3/13)
Pralaya, Tress, Tab

[Zander?]

 

I need to finish reading the Yates/Zander thing again

It should really be a fairly quick read. It essentially boils down to this:

 

Zander claimed to have taken issue with my quoting of the two most recent "seer cover" posts but not including ALL previous peeks, specifically AJ's.

I told him I was just making a general point.

He then accused me of role fishing.

I explained that I wasn't role fishing - I was suggesting that people need to do a better job of shoring up their "peeks."

Zander accused me of dodging his point about ignoring AJ.

I explained that from my pov it was covered when I said I was trying to make a larger point wrt seer cover.

Bessie said I looked overly defensive.

I was perplexed by this accusation so I asked her to extrapolate on her basis for saying this and if she thought that me being defensive was = to me being scummy.

Zander [and now Clov?] took exception to my addressing Bessie's concerns - because she is new??

I believe that Zander is scum and voting me because he thinks people will say "scum Zander will never try voting Town Yates on Day 1!" [which already happened but via the Bessie head]

I don't believe that Town Zander ever votes for Unknown Alignment Yates day 1 for the same reason Town Zander doesn't vote Clov day 1 or expect Town Clov to be alive D3 ever.

At the very least, there is a zero percent chance Town Zander thinks Yates is scum for role fishing.

There was some other ad homonym stuff like OMGUS and a really low blow wrt Dice but that's sort of tangential to the current thread of argument.

 

Finally - I am concerned that Zander has not reevaluated his position on ANY of his accusations in light of all evidence to the contrary.

 

HOY STILL HAVEBT PROVUDED EItHER QUOTE I WANTED YATES!!!!