Diablo the mafia game!

[Zander?]

 

You ignored my point about you leaving out AJ's peek while responding to stuff afterwards

No I didn't. I'm telling you that you have no point.

 

You said: "But Yates! You forgot about something that happened 8 pages ago, what about that?!! AH HA!"

 

I said: "8 pages ago it wasn't a trend. 6 pages later it became a trend. So I quoted the most recent people to join the trend in order to address the trend in general.

 

I'm not sure how I can be more clear? Maybe I can give you a lazy answer like; I've played enough games with AJ that I feel comfortable letting him do what he's doing because I'm not worried about AJ providing proper cover? But while that's all true, that's not the actual reason.

 

...your responses are seemingly coming off as nonchalant or brushing them aside instead of trying to help explain it out and address the actual concerns...

My responses are nonchalant. Not really sure how much effort you expect me to put in to responses to questions that, from my pov, are pretty dumb at best and really aren't alignment resolving anyway.

 

...and it seems like you ARE role fishing.

This is probably the dumbest thing you've ever said to me. Please explain how asking someone to firm up a read/peek is in anyway even remotely role fishing? This is a turd. You should feel like a turd.

 

 

 

I'm on my mobile between meetings so I won't quote.

 

 

Bessie can you explain why you're ok with Zanders vote on Yates, because I don't see why from your posts above.

 

Interesting thought on Lenlo, but I got the impression from the DT that he didn't really enjoy the bussing in that game and my (admittedly not great) recollection from that game was that the bussing was initiated by Zander and Lenlo just got caught up by it. I do want to check/compare tone from Ragnarok, but that will probably have to wait till I'm home again.

 

 

Ok thanks Besie, was asking because you said 'for this reason' implying something in your post that made you agree, but I didn't see anything. So its just a phrasing issue? I pretty much agree with the read and Zander explained it far more eloquently than me. I'm curious as to your opinions, what do you think about AJ? You say Lenlo and AJ, but don't mention AJ in that spoiler

 

Bluntly it's going to take a while to get a read on you, first time players have a decent record of fooling people as mafia and I don't have town meta for Zander.

 

 

Regarding Dice, I was thinking about this and wondering if I need to be more cautious. As mafia in Matrix he had conviction on a 'out of game' reason, he's managed it with game mechanics and people (Tommy) fake claiming. I don't think I've ever seen him fake conviction in a read yet as mafia, so I'm inclined still to say town. Is it a certain read, no, but I'm willing to roll with it for now. I will be watching to see if he disappears at a later stage though :P

 

Thane, yeah I still haven't had time to sit down and write what I had earlier, but weird is the overall vibe. Can you explain what you mean about Clov? Everything you quoted is either null or positive.

 

 

 

 

No, nobody is OBLIGATED to give an explanation, but he had been asked about it and DID offer up a reason - just a vibe.  I'm saying that I assumed if there was more to it than that, he would have said so.  If he could have backed it up with reasoning for the vibes, he likely would have included it when he replied to Tab.

Maybe. There are loads of reasons he might, but I dont wanna argue for him.

 

Clov, whats your take on Yates while im tryin to figure out this god forsaken search function?

 

 

Pretty much completely even.  Both of the posts from Shad and Blesie were quite obvious in their purpose, so I saw absolutely no reason for him to question them, and I didn't think Zander's point about him ignoring AJ's peek was bad.  I think Yates could see them as being either unconvincing/possibly inaccurate though, so I'm not ruling out the possibility he was trying to be "helpful".

 

If deadline was in five minutes, I would lynch him just to save Bender, but numbers alone would make me expect him to flip town.

 

 

 

Funny thing is Yates that I'm not the only one who feels this way.  Strange, maybe were all dumb? 

 

Can you post that EXACT post you made addressing my "not including AJ's peek" post BEFORE I posted my Vote on you?

 

As far as not responding to "what I find is dumb from PoV".  Seems like a cop out scum response to me.  I'd like to think Town!Yates knows what I'm like and would work WITH me to address my concerns as opposed to just saying that my line of thinking was dumb (you may include that as a joke as well....lolololol) but I FEEL like you would still work with me to help me get there.

 

And as far as the role fishing part. Again to me, i feel like you should know when someone is providing seer cover man.  It's as simple as that.  Like it's not a huge deal asking to shore up reads but according to what I got from your "Seer Cover 101" link, everyone who did pretty much followed what you yourself put there. So I can hope you'd at least try to understand why from my PoV that seems strange.  Also again the fact you left out AJ's peek is factoring into my read on this.

 

I hope you can at least try and understand where I'm coming from with this Instead of just saying I'm dumb brother.

[Lenlo]

No need to apologize, I'm not an angry old fart like some of these guys. :P

[Shad_]

 

...and it seems like you ARE role fishing.

This is probably the dumbest thing you've ever said to me. Please explain how asking someone to firm up a read/peek is in anyway even remotely role fishing? This is a turd. You should feel like a turd.

 

Honestly, the thought crossed my mind too, but not strong enough to actually say it in thread.  I'll try to um, avoid answering questions for Zander in this game though. 

[Lenlo]

 

 

...and it seems like you ARE role fishing.

This is probably the dumbest thing you've ever said to me. Please explain how asking someone to firm up a read/peek is in anyway even remotely role fishing? This is a turd. You should feel like a turd.

Honestly, the thought crossed my mind too, but not strong enough to actually say it in thread. I'll try to um, avoid answering questions for Zander in this game though.

Good. He's a big boy, he can handle it.

[Yates]

BFG asked the same. I explained here...

That's not really an answer, though. You actually doing what Zander accused me of but was wrong about. You quoted a series of posts. Following that series of posts you state "for this reason, I accept my other half's vote" which implies that the "reason" is stated in the series of quotes. Zander's vote post was not included in that series of posts. Care to try again?

[Yates]

I hope you can at least try and understand where I'm coming from with this Instead of just saying I'm dumb brother.

Guess I have to get caught up then because sometimes people go mental when I'm afk, I guess.

[Zander?]

 

Why are these votes still on us?

 

Are these joke votes and if so why are they still there, cause there's been a fair bit of game content since then to go off of?

 

If they are not please explain why you are voting us.

I'm probably going to vote you once I'm caught up. You don't look good this game.

 

On a side note; how many games have you seen me scum in? Have you EVER seen me role fish as scum? I ask because that seems to be your pretense for voting me. So... it's pretty important that you be honest.

 

 

 

OMGUS much?  Come on man you're better then this!!!

 

None.  No I haven't.  It is part of the reason Yates but the only part.  But all that being said, it doesn't mean you aren't doing it here does it?

 

[Guest]

Again, like BFG determined, I just used the wrong phrase.

 

 

BFG asked the same. I explained here...

That's not really an answer, though. You actually doing what Zander accused me of but was wrong about. You quoted a series of posts. Following that series of posts you state "for this reason, I accept my other half's vote" which implies that the "reason" is stated in the series of quotes. Zander's vote post was not included in that series of posts. Care to try again?

 

[Shad_]

 

 

*hands Yates a good Belgian beer*

 

(Bush Christmas Beer is excellent this year, btw)

Bush de Noël? I'll see if I can find it. I have some 4 Beans Porter and, of course, this year's Bourbon County Stout [even though it comes in a weird 16 ounce bottle this year?]. I have a BCS vertical from 2012-Present that we will be tasting some time next week.

 

Excactly that one, it's a strong one at 12% *nods* I need to update my beer list, lol. 

 

Back to the game: who's your towniest town so far? 

 

 

You.

[Zander?]

ebwop:

 

not the only part

[Yates]

Funny thing is Yates that I'm not the only one who feels this way.  Strange, maybe were all dumb?

But short answer to you question is; yes? Maybe? You've got to know that backing up your opinion by quoting other people really just looks like justifying while distancing yourself from responsibility, right?

 

Like I said; I'm going to get caught up. Probably after the dentist. But I'm tilted right now.

[Guest]

 

Again, like BFG determined, I just used the wrong phrase.

 

 

BFG asked the same. I explained here...

That's not really an answer, though. You actually doing what Zander accused me of but was wrong about. You quoted a series of posts. Following that series of posts you state "for this reason, I accept my other half's vote" which implies that the "reason" is stated in the series of quotes. Zander's vote post was not included in that series of posts. Care to try again?

 

 

 

While we're at it, I apologize if my punctuality is not good enough for you, Yates. As you said:

 

 

It feels like you're being overly defensive, hon.

With all due respect, do you know what I look like when I'm being overly defensive? Also, care to list the "others" where I'm being what you characterize as "overly defensive?"

 

I ask these questions because acting "defensive" is often a crutch accusation thrown around that is actually completely worthless. A good Towny has every bit as much at stake as scum. Why would I not defend myself against what I perceive as garbage logic and a fake excuse for a vote, in your opinion?

 

 

I feel like you are the one that's trying to find some illogical, fake excuse for a vote now.

[Andrej]

I'm not interested in lynching Yates or Zander.

 

Dice is wolfy.

 

Len is wolfy.

 

These are the people we should be focused on.

[Shad_]

I feel I need to repeat, I hate bussing. Especially to the extent Zander and I did it. Multiple times that game I tried to get him to calm down about it and add someone who wasn't his teammate to his PoE. Anyone who read the QT should know that.

 

Vouch

[Yates]

Zander - since it will be a while until I can finish my catch up I need you to answer some questions real quick:

 

1. When have I ever been lynched Day 1 and things ended well for Town?

2. Given your stated opinion on Clov, when did I become a Day 1 lynch candidate for you - EVER?

3. Have you ever actually caught scum role fishing?

 

I won't even get into the OMGUS accusation thing. Because that fake "tell" has been disproven time and again.

[Andrej]

Shad has wolfiness about him but I'll let him do his thing for now.

 

Ftr - you being an obvious villager wasn't the problem in that game. Clearing wolves for bad reasons was the issue. I would prefer you be open because I think we kick arse together as villagers but so long as you're helping me kill the bad guys in the end do it how you please.

[Lenlo]

I'm not interested in lynching Yates or Zander.

 

Dice is wolfy.

 

Len is wolfy.

 

These are the people we should be focused on.

Ok. What's your take on Shad? He's not doing much of anything. Also your wrong. About me atleast.

[Yates]

I feel like you are the one that's trying to find some illogical, fake excuse for a vote now.

Once again, I do not see how what you quoted is remotely related to your accusation[?]/statement.

[Lenlo]

Shad has wolfiness about him but I'll let him do his thing for now.

 

Ftr - you being an obvious villager wasn't the problem in that game. Clearing wolves for bad reasons was the issue. I would prefer you be open because I think we kick arse together as villagers but so long as you're helping me kill the bad guys in the end do it how you please.

Who is this directed to? Also you ninja ed my question on Shad, you monster.

[Yates]

It is part of the reason Yates but [not] the only part.

Okay then I guess I'm confused? What is the rest of it, again?

[Andrej]

 

I'm not interested in lynching Yates or Zander.

 

Dice is wolfy.

 

Len is wolfy.

 

These are the people we should be focused on.

Ok. What's your take on Shad? He's not doing much of anything. Also your wrong. About me atleast.

See above this post of yours.

 

I think you're wolfy for how you handled Clov. Do you actually think he's scum or are you still voting him cause "it's your best choice in a list of crappy options" ?

 

That statement alone is lynchable imo

[Andrej]

That post was directed to Shad, since I was talking about him. He made a comment earlier saying he was gonna play close to the chest after Matrix game

[Shad_]

Shad has wolfiness about him but I'll let him do his thing for now.

 

Ftr - you being an obvious villager wasn't the problem in that game. Clearing wolves for bad reasons was the issue. I would prefer you be open because I think we kick arse together as villagers but so long as you're helping me kill the bad guys in the end do it how you please.

 

I love you because two posts prior to this I was honestly about to say that the only thing pinging me on AJ is that he hasn't been sussing me yet.

[Shad_]

Ok, caught up, got a baby on my lap but I'll post what he lets me.

[Thane Vakarian]

sometimes i just read the posts, either shake my head or laugh... and then go like: 'wtf di i just read?', and go read it again....