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[Taborline]

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

 

w/w?

[Thane Vakarian]

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

[Shad_]

 

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

The desire to let this impact me read is so tempting and terribad.  >_<

[Sooh]

Don't like either of these wagons

I agree. I'm in particular not a fan of the Zander-wagon.

[Taborline]

 

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

Of course she could.

[Sooh]

 

Clov and Yates are players I need time to read, as I stated in my post. I probably won't have a good solve for either of them D1. I'm still looking of course, but in terms of making conclusions about their alignment I feel it's premature.

But you have zero problems solving Corlanna before lunch?

 

It's a gut feeling. I can't really explain it, because in my eyes Cory is really good at replicating his town game as scum. Laine has always been a difficult read for me, but Cory makes that hydra towny for me now.

[Cory Caboose]

 

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

I follow the Leelou principle of "sometimes when it rains, it pours"

[Sooh]

Anyone who knows Rack:

 

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

[Thane Vakarian]

 

 

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

The desire to let this impact me read is so tempting and terribad.  >_<

 

i laughed at that post.

 

 

 

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

Of course she could.

 

i'm nor ruling it out for now. it would suck for her, but i guess we'll see as the game progresses. I have other people higher on my wtl list now

[Cory Caboose]

 

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

 

w/w?

 

 

wolf/wolf

Sort of a simple example but Hallia's stance on dice could be colored irt to dice's read on Nomi

 

I think Hallia thinks that way as a wolf tho

[Cory Caboose]

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

 

It's common for WF players in either alignment

 

They don't like making reads

 

Rack can be a villagery villager but sometimes his ranges can get muddled

 

I would say he's well within his wolf range aorn

[Taborline]

 

 

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

 

w/w?

 

 

wolf/wolf

Sort of a simple example but Hallia's stance on dice could be colored irt to dice's read on Nomi

 

I think Hallia thinks that way as a wolf tho

 

 

Thanks!

[rackcitysteelers]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I had some posts queued up but I lost them so oh well. But I think the push on me is stupid but not scummy. I think it was silli that was saying they were expecting me to finally say something when I got back but I pretty clearly stated in my post that I wasn't going to actually be able to catch up until later. So now I'm gonna give you some thoughts.

 

I don't really set out with a concrete strategy, but the Lenlo thing was kinda just looking for actions. I wasn't entirely happy with Lenlo's reactions to it but it wasn't terrible and I have a bigger scum read anyways.

 

I think Zander is scum. I thought his opening post felt forced but some people said it was just him so I was like whatever. Someone else pointed this out (I forget who) but he's spent a lot of time just defending and backing people up. It's a pretty easy tactic to lay low and get on some people's good side. Zander said that he had been attacking people though, but it wasn't a high risk one. He just jumped on the popular Lenlo bandwagon. His reasoning wasn't good either, Lenlo imo was pretty clearly just using a mostly gut read on that person who had barely posted so I didn't get why Zander was making a big deal about it. It felt like a weak reason to jump on a popular bandwagon. I'm gonna Vote: Zander

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

 

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

 

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

 

 

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how.  The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town.  I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.  

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy.  Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up).  In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case.  The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on.  I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili.  In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot.  It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.

 

 

The initial posting thing wasn't really a big part of my argument at all, it was just the event that made his posts stand out to me while I was catching up.

 

When I said lay low, I meant it as in he wasn't saying anything offensive that would draw attention to himself. I think he phrased his words carefully. On post 435 Pralaya posted some quotes of his that emphasize it. Note that in none of them does he say he thinks someone is town. He imo is calculating with his language, instead phrasing it as him not thinking that town or mafia (Player) would do that but he also leaves some doubt in the posts so he could possibly wiggle out of it later without looking too bad. I think it's a very clear scum tactic.

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

 

 

 

In red are you referring to Lenlo's vote on Laine, which prompted Zander's initial vote? If so, let's recalibrate a little here. Zander's initial vote on Lenlo was a joke. Just like, accept that. It's a Zander thing. Moreover, I don't think town!Zander would pause to think that putting Lenlo at 3 is a bad look. That definitely does not mean that scum!Zander would not see the joke as a convenient opportunity to 'start a little run' as you characterize it in your quote. So with that in mind, here are the first three posts in which Zander converts to a serious vote. How does this impact your opinion?:

 

 

 

 

 

My vote on lenlo is based on this: and I've already said this in the thread.

 

His posts were forced, they lack content, he hadn't until just now after i implied he should, addressed his wagon in a concerted way which may or may not be scum who is playing it safe and hoping the storm will pass. I obviously, being me after all, will not like this behavior. I am glad he finally addressed his wagon.

 

more later when i get home.

Forced/Lacked content - I assume your talking about post #51? That post wasnt even 3 pages into the game and it was my first post. Your using that to say im forcing my posts/lacking content? Whats your opinion on Pral, Nomi or say Dice then? None of them have posted much and what they have hasnt been content. Id like to see if you have a similar opinion about them or are singling me out for some reason.

 

The wagon - Concerted? So a planned way? You mean I ignored something that was just two people ranting at me without telling me what for? Now that you have actually told me what im being bothered about I can answer it, but you cant expect someone to respond to something that was never mentioned.

 

i dont know if its just me but this post is very meh imo. im gonna have to go back and read his posts.

 

 

 

 

Page 4 - Sili goes crazy. Hes kinda spamming the thread here, most of it is pointless. Why?

 

Thane has 2 posts. Nothing of content in them. Checks in then checks out

 

Rack hasnt actually contributed at all. Hes just pushed something with no reason and then let Sili do all the work. atleast in terms of my train. He did alittle bit of poking at Zander but nothing serious. I feel like he might be pushing me early as a reaction train? Like see what people do, who jumps on a quick bandwagon, how I defend myself. Just get some overall reactions. Seeing how he plays it out will be interesting and telling imo.

 

Zander posted a good amount, but mostly just light hearted stuff. I want MEAT. Quick to jump on me, and stay on me I might add, when I vote Corlanna jokingly.

 

Clov disagrees with Rack on Zander, but thinks hes town. Also engages Sili abit. Hes not afraid to confront people

 

Lots of inactives this game. We have to be careful about people pushing them for weak reasons, as I think that would be an easy for the scum to rack up some easy days/kills.

 

Cory not saying anything meaningful, votes Sooh. Cmon Coreh. Help me out here.

 

Hallia soft defends me for no reason. Its not major but something worth noting imo.

 

Sooh pokes at Sili, doesnt back it with a vote. I dunno why but I kinda feel like she is testing the waters for a Sili push. Have nothing to back this up atm sadly.

 

Dice gettin friendly with Sooh.

 

Yates comes in guns blazing. I noticed Sili is questionable of it, but I like it.

 

Sili, lots of votes, lots of posts, moderate amount of content imo. Got into it with Yates. Gets pissy at me when I dismiss his and Racks push on me because it has nothing to it. I asked if he was drunk. Apparently this was stupid. Im still amused by it. After I respond to him though, he finally posts a good meaningful, more than 1 line post. I liked it.

 

Tab posts. Says nothing.

 

Shad is playin. I cant really get a read on him for some reason, but hes posting content so... yay? I wanna like him but I feel like I need something more, so I can make sure its not just me liking him cause he defended me/chatted with me.

 

Nomi. Votes Yates jokingly, even though Sili has been going at him. Odd?

 

 

 

 

I had quotes, but it kinda went up in flames cause DM. I have work I need to do tonight, so im just gonna post my notepad thoughts that came up as I was reading. Heres my current list.

 

 

(In not particular order)

 

Town:

Clov

Yates

Lenlo

 

Null to Town:

Rack

Shad

Sili

 

Null:

Hallia

Parlaya

Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

Taborline

Dice

BFG

Nomi

 

Null to Scum:

Thane

Zander

Sooh

 

Scum:

 

 

 

[v]Sooh[/v]

 

I wanna see how this goes, and maybe shed some light on Dice and Sili in the process.

 

*peeks in*

 

wow, i was surprised that the PM arrived. Seems like we have a game after all

 

*hands out drinks and stuff to nibble on*

 

*stretches*

 

alright, will the wolves just out themselves so we can get wrecking?

 

*feels loved*

 

remind me not to send you chocolate in the future.....

 

So your top 3 Scum reads:

 

So you have Thane null to scum based on the above posts.

Sooh based on sussing Sili

Me for being lighthearted and voting you.

 

 

this is just a horrible list man.

 

 

Thane: Not doing anything at all. Just checking out.

Sooh: General tone and a bad feeling.

You: High post count, little content.

 

Disagree? Please, gimme somethin to work with.

Thane: Have you ever played with Thane before...its early D1 extremely normal for Thane atp imo

 

Sooh: I don't think her tone is off. bad feeling i can agree with a bit because unlike innocent till proven guilty Sooh is always wolf till proven town to me. but ive mislynched or helped to enough times to give her some more time before coming to a conclusion like that.

 

lolololololol----Sorry Sooh

 

Me: HI IM ZANDER

 

It almost seems like you were just picking names out of a hat.

 

 

And you complained about leaving my vote on you when you voted Corlanna first then i voted you. and your vote was there till you made the comment and voted Sooh.....

 

im pretty happy keeping my vote where it is brah.

 

 

 

I'm talking about Lenlo listed someone who had barely posted in his bottom three and Zander asked why that person stood out over others who had barely posted. Lenlo was saying that their posts just felt off and everything which I felt was a valid response since I think gut reads are a good starting point for suspicions. Anyways, Zander kept attacking Lenlo for it, asking for specifics when a gut read isn't going to get more specific than that. A gut read is a gut read. I felt as though it was a poor reason to push someone.

 

Yeah, I thought you were probably talking about Thane but I didn't want to assume it straight away

 

So here's what I'm looking at:

 

You said: "He just jumped on the popular Lenlo bandwagon. His reasoning wasn't good either, Lenlo imo was pretty clearly just using a mostly gut read on that person who had barely posted so I didn't get why Zander was making a big deal about it. It felt like a weak reason to jump on a popular bandwagon."

 

Clov said: "Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on. I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili. In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot. It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it."

 

You said: "Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run."

 

What's bugging me is that when Clov objected that Zander's vote was insignificant you offered a counterargument instead of saying "that's not what I was talking about".  But you seem to recognize that the vote was just in jest and the "piling on" came later.  It shows me you were probably thinking more about formulating a rebuttal to Clov than about your opinion of Zander.

 

 

If you assumed it was Thane (I think this was the person) then why did you write out a long response about something else earlier? If you didn't want to assume then I don't get why you wrote a long response as though we were talking about Zander's vote for someone else. And I totally disagree that it was in jest. I think that he threw down the vote on the most popular train at the time in hopes of getting people to jump on. There were other people around that time who had said some iffy things about Lenlo so imo Zander was trying to get those people to jump on the wagon.

 

 

You mean the "In red are you referring to Lenlo's vote on Laine, which prompted Zander's initial vote?" etc post?  Moments like that are what I look back on proudly when I actually catch scum. 

 

And as I said, "That definitely does not mean that scum!Zander would not see the joke as a convenient opportunity to 'start a little run' as you characterize it in your quote."  But there is no disputing whether the vote was a joke.  The debatable topic is whether the joke disguised ulterior motives.  You are now committing to the view that it had ulterior motives from the get-go.  Ok.  Elaborate on what, in your opinion, might have lead scum!Zander to make this decision.

 

 

I have explained it multiple times. There were some people who expressing some small-ish doubts on Lenlo so he was trying to draw them into maybe voting. If he'd gotten just one person to join him on the wagon then that would be nearly half the votes needed with nobody else being close. If you're asking for info on why specifically Zander might do that then you're just out of luck because I don't know Zander at all.

 

 

Nah, what I'm looking for doesn't require any deep Zander meta, just whatever you are employing to construct your read.  But irt "There were some people who expressing some small-ish doubts on Lenlo so he was trying to draw them into maybe voting." I'd like for you to show me what you're referring to.

 

 

Now I see what you mean. I'm about to leave for class so I'll be on mobile so I'll do it later when I get back.

 

 

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

 

It's common for WF players in either alignment

 

They don't like making reads

 

Rack can be a villagery villager but sometimes his ranges can get muddled

 

I would say he's well within his wolf range aorn

 

 

I don't understand those last two lines

[Zander?]

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like  he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content. 

 

 

Harsh but this furthers my point i made earlier about wolves not liking me....lolololololol

 

My response to your post quoted here is:  "I think this is a bad response" and "This is a Scum response"...is this better???  And dude...I know im not all that bright but if someone said "is it odd i really LIKE this response is prolly the same has saying it was a good response imo....thoughts on that homie?

 

Hey I don't worry what people im scum reading think of what I do.  I do things my way...it may not be pretty but it gets the job done!!!

 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

 

 

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how.  The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town.  I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.  

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy.  Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up).  In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case.  The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on.  I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili.  In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot.  It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.  

 

 

The initial posting thing wasn't really a big part of my argument at all, it was just the event that made his posts stand out to me while I was catching up.

 

When I said lay low, I meant it as in he wasn't saying anything offensive that would draw attention to himself. I think he phrased his words carefully. On post 435 Pralaya posted some quotes of his that emphasize it. Note that in none of them does he say he thinks someone is town. He imo is calculating with his language, instead phrasing it as him not thinking that town or mafia (Player) would do that but he also leaves some doubt in the posts so he could possibly wiggle out of it later without looking too bad. I think it's a very clear scum tactic.

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

 

 

 

OMG he's going on about my joke vote was an attempt to get people after Len...lolololollol

 

I wont answer this myself but I'll allow others to answer it....

 

What is my response in any game about people voting ALANNA...( :wub: ).(The 1 "Incident" doesnt count cause it was Shad's fault.... )

[Zander?]

Just let it be known, I will not be standing in the way of a Zander lynch. Not until he steps up his game and posts some original content.

 

 

seems like youre leaving yourself an out here....

[Yates]

Dice would be town this game imo. Nomi, not so sure

You think? I'm having trouble coming to this conclusion. What are you seeing?

[rackcitysteelers]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how. The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town. I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy. Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up). In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case. The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on. I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili. In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot. It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.

The initial posting thing wasn't really a big part of my argument at all, it was just the event that made his posts stand out to me while I was catching up.

 

When I said lay low, I meant it as in he wasn't saying anything offensive that would draw attention to himself. I think he phrased his words carefully. On post 435 Pralaya posted some quotes of his that emphasize it. Note that in none of them does he say he thinks someone is town. He imo is calculating with his language, instead phrasing it as him not thinking that town or mafia (Player) would do that but he also leaves some doubt in the posts so he could possibly wiggle out of it later without looking too bad. I think it's a very clear scum tactic.

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

 

OMG he's going on about my joke vote was an attempt to get people after Len...lolololollol

 

I wont answer this myself but I'll allow others to answer it....

 

What is my response in any game about people voting ALANNA...( :wub: ).(The 1 "Incident" doesnt count cause it was Shad's fault.... )

I guess I'm missing context here but I don't think the context should matter anyways. What better excuse could you have for that tactic than a joke vote? If that train takes off you can just leave it there and if it doesn't you can do exactly this. Any context behind the joke votes doesn't necessarily have to change your motives.

[Yates]

I think Thane and dice are on the same team

 

And I think that team is the village

This is at least half right.

[Cory Caboose]

I think it's full right

[Yates]

It's a gut feeling. I can't really explain it, because in my eyes Cory is really good at replicating his town game as scum. Laine has always been a difficult read for me, but Cory makes that hydra towny for me now.

Yeah. So you see why I would be surprised at your read, yes? I mean, are Clov and I really that much harder for you to figure out? I know you struggle with your Lainey reads. I know you know Cory can replicate his Town game as wolf. And somehow you have come to the conclusion that two people you have - by your own admission - confirmed history of having difficulty solving are Town? It just seems weird because I would expect to see "Corlanna/Clov/Yates Hard to read day one" from you MUCH more often.

[Zander?]

@nomi   you have blatantly said i am someone else but im not going to tell the whole truth of that. theres grounds for distrust to start. then you contradict youself regarding rack.

 

dont like my vote? too bad. you said ureself that u distrust players who dont share and lynch them in a neutral setting. Im practicing what u are preaching

 

 

and reading him scum by doing that very same thing yourself???

 

 

maybe im missing or not understanding something but this seems very odd to me...

[Lenlo]

 

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like  he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content.

 

 

Harsh but this furthers my point i made earlier about wolves not liking me....lolololololol

 

My response to your post quoted here is:  "I think this is a bad response" and "This is a Scum response"...is this better???  And dude...I know im not all that bright but if someone said "is it odd i really LIKE this response is prolly the same has saying it was a good response imo....thoughts on that homie?

 

Hey I don't worry what people im scum reading think of what I do.  I do things my way...it may not be pretty but it gets the job done!!!

 

 

This entire post just reads like a bro going "Brooooo. Like, broooo. I cant answer a serious question cause that would impact peoples view of me as a carefree person that im coasting off of. Brooooo. 

 

Gets the job done? You dont do the job. You let other people do the job, the wrongly attribute it to yourself. Your that guy in a group project that puts his name at the top of the paper and then "delegates"

 

 

-snip-

 

 

OMG he's going on about my joke vote was an attempt to get people after Len...lolololollol

 

I wont answer this myself but I'll allow others to answer it....

 

What is my response in any game about people voting ALANNA...( :wub: ).(The 1 "Incident" doesnt count cause it was Shad's fault.... )

 

The bold is disgusting.

[Lenlo]

Its really starting to get to me, like I have no idea why people are clearing you Zander. Its almost purely off of your personality and its legitimately infuriating.

 

Someone that isnt Shad or Zander please explain just what the heck you people see in him, cause I just see a carefree coasting attitude similar to what I used to try to do, just taken to the extreme. 

[Cory Caboose]

Zander/Lenlo argument is just a distraction at this point

Lenlo, Zander doesn't care that you don't care for his fire-from-the-hips say whatever comes to mind rely on gut personality and playstyle, he's #nofilter and this is what he does. Feelers gonna feel.

Zander, Lenlo doesn't care that you don't like his rigidness and value in explanations and linear thinking over just sort of feeling your way through things. This has been Lenlo for years and at least he's talking and I'm interested in what Lenlo has to say about things other than you but every time the thread moves in an interesting direction you two are going at it like jackrabbits. Thinkers gonna think.

 

Kiss and make up